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On December 13 2012 00:35 Snoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 23:15 Inzan1ty wrote:
Why mess around with mediocre players when you can hire big guns to do the job, afterall fnatic dominates both CS and LoL, why be satisfied with mediocre results in SC2?
[...]we are talking about Moons salary which used to be over 10k /month
The problem was that the team believed they could train the monster that he is in WC3, for SC2 (his previous salary was for trainining 10-12h/day and changing the way WC3 is currently played). His results and progress were as expected when you have players as NightEnd & Co. around you (I admit, his macro is better than before joining Fnatic). What grinds my gears is that after training/playing/eating/sleeping together, even after a serious fight, you don't just throw him away and ignore what he has done for you. I don't wanna hear shit like 'your comments hurt the community' when Moon fans find an hostile attitude from team Fnatic. Just let Carn tell you how to become a better gamer by buying a chair, some peripherals and using a chat client while waiting to see the remaining Fnatic SC2 players win a tournament.
How did they 'throw him away'? He was, most probably, the highest paid player on Fnatic, but at the same time:
a) Failure to qualify for Code A throughout 2012.
b) Not being able to practice in the teamhouse due to having a family.
c) Still insists on playing WarCraft III, rather than SC2 exclusively (as should have been the case)
d) Little tournament participation and placement. His only decent result was 4th at Assemby Summer, and for a player of his caliber, and value, it's very little.
Think about it for a bit. Fnatic could probably support two ex-SlayerS GSL players with the same amount of money they invested into Moon.
Don't get me wrong, I was very impressed with Moon's baneling drops back in the day, and his GSTL performance was pretty good, but you have to consider how much a player with Moon's reputation costs Fnatic, and even I can see that it was not paying off for Fnatic.
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Can u Not read the Full Text...?!
"This is not all of the good stuff we have planned for StarCraft II, more will be revealed later (note that this is not an announcement of announcement, etc)."
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Just feels weird to have mediocre players (even for foreign standarts) like Naama and Harstem in the same roster as Oz, aLive and possibly a couple more Code A calibre players.
You got to admit, J is pretty shocking for Korean standarts, and there was a reason fnatic had an amateur section which they obviously removed now.
well looks like I should lower my expectactions from here, fnatic spoiled us with consistent results, when everyone was motivated but it seems everything has an end...
PS: Change your sig ;-p
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I have High Hopes in Fnatic... They Need only 1-2 Good Korea Players + very Good Coach (!!) but... We see  ...
Ps: Ahh... Ty (Sig)
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Fnatic will have to pick up some people if they are going to stay in the GSTL. I wonder who it will be
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I think Moon will be fine...
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On December 13 2012 04:10 DreamChaser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 22:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
I wish TL and EG had the same mentality and would get rid off their dead wood for not performing, it would only make the competition better. Maybe EG but do you think thats really TL's style? Just pick up promising players then drop them of they dont do so well? I like to think for at least TL they choose their players carefully and when they sign them, they are with the players in the long run through hell and back. As far as i know no one just joins TL for a year then drops out to another team.
Like HuK did?
I agree with your sentiment though. TL should always be ran by players for players. Prioritizing their interest and supporting the players all the way regardless of results.
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On December 12 2012 22:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
I wish TL and EG had the same mentality and would get rid off their dead wood for not performing, it would only make the competition better.
Liquid obviously has another philosophy. You don't just get hired as a gun for them, you join a family instead.
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sadly i think moons probably close to retiring now. unless he already has a new team lined up i cant see him supporting his family with his lack of results. he just isnt the same calibre since his wc3 days
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On December 13 2012 22:05 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 22:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
I wish TL and EG had the same mentality and would get rid off their dead wood for not performing, it would only make the competition better. Liquid obviously has another philosophy. You don't just get hired as a gun for them, you join a family instead.
Dropping players as soon as they are not performing doesn't tend to attract new players either. Players, like all people, wants some kind of security in what they do and if teams starts to drop players purely based on performance it would create an incredible uncertain working environment. As far as I'm concerned both players and teams should as far as possible try to honour the contract they sign unless special circumstances. It's one thing to drop a player once his contract is up and to break the contract before that point.
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On December 13 2012 22:46 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 22:05 [F_]aths wrote:On December 12 2012 22:52 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
I wish TL and EG had the same mentality and would get rid off their dead wood for not performing, it would only make the competition better. Liquid obviously has another philosophy. You don't just get hired as a gun for them, you join a family instead. Dropping players as soon as they are not performing doesn't tend to attract new players either. Players, like all people, wants some kind of security in what they do and if teams starts to drop players purely based on performance it would create an incredible uncertain working environment. As far as I'm concerned both players and teams should as far as possible try to honour the contract they sign unless special circumstances. It's one thing to drop a player once his contract is up and to break the contract before that point.
Pretty sure Fnatic wouldn't break the contract. They've been very vocal on how important player contracts are, so it would be extremely stupid of them to do so. If the contract was still in force, perhaps the parties mutually decided to end it, or perhaps Fnatic decided not to renew it?
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To be honest, I didn't even know that he was still around.
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On December 13 2012 22:56 mikkmagro wrote:
[Pretty sure Fnatic wouldn't break the contract. They've been very vocal on how important player contracts are, so it would be extremely stupid of them to do so. If the contract was still in force, perhaps the parties mutually decided to end it, or perhaps Fnatic decided not to renew it?
End of the year, lots of contracts/budgets run out in this period.
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lol moon's salary was not 10k/month. I knew all the fnatic players salaries, and Moon's was 1500euro/month and expenses paid + extra luxury stuff that others didn't have in their contracts.
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Ok.. That's really not something you should be posting publicly.. I'm always quite open about what I make, but I wouldn't post what anyone else makes. It's private information isn't it? Seems like quite a social faux pas heh
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To those praising Fnatics policy of dropping players if they do not meet their expectations, while critizing TL/EG for not doing the same: since the beta Fnatic has pretty much absorbed three rosters (they started with an European one, then had an NA heavy, switched back to EU players, went to Korea and now seemingly aim to focus on EU again. Because of that Fnatic has been a rather faceless team that was unable to get big results. So saying that TL/EG should copy that principle seems rather absurd.
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On December 14 2012 19:04 lastshadow wrote:
lol moon's salary was not 10k/month. I knew all the fnatic players salaries, and Moon's was 1500euro/month and expenses paid + extra luxury stuff that others didn't have in their contracts.
as mentioned , his salary at WE Made Fox, was around 13.000 $, during wc3.
I could google that for you.
cant speak for his fnatic contract, and I also highly doubt YOU would know whats going on there, as you are in no way related to fnatic, so stop embarass yourself here.
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On December 14 2012 19:04 lastshadow wrote:
lol moon's salary was not 10k/month. I knew all the fnatic players salaries, and Moon's was 1500euro/month and expenses paid + extra luxury stuff that others didn't have in their contracts.
I can ensure you know nothing about Fnatic players
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On December 14 2012 19:04 lastshadow wrote:
lol moon's salary was not 10k/month. I knew all the fnatic players salaries, and Moon's was 1500euro/month and expenses paid + extra luxury stuff that others didn't have in their contracts.
Why are you still in the scene? Just leave. You don't clearly know much.
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EPT
