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No English OGN broadcast for SK Planet Proleague? - Page 24

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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 06 2012 18:03 GMT
#461
On December 06 2012 21:52 DoA wrote:
I just got hit with some pretty hard to take news. OnGameNet will not be broadcasting the SK Planet Proleague this season in English. As that sinks in, let me elaborate on exactly why this is and where we're at now.

Basically for a while now KeSPA has been preparing their own broadcasting platform (IEG, which is owned by KeSPA) to presumably run events from. KeSPA's had a long history of doing their best to control everything that goes on in Korean esports so it's not shocking that they'd want to get into actually running the broadcasts as well. Proleague in fact is a result of KeSPA threatening to pull their players from both OGN and MBC's individual leagues if they didn't give up their respective team leagues and broadcast Proleague instead.

This season KeSPA decided to run their own Proleague broadcast initially on weekdays, while OGN ran the weekend broadcast. As far as I know about a week ago KeSPA approached OGN and told them that they'd be running their own stream simultaneously with OGN's on weekends as well. They'd also be sending a commentator they had picked themselves to tri-cast with Monte Cristo and I. Naturally OGN was upset about this and Monte and I were a bit reluctant to tri-cast with someone we'd never worked with before. OGN went back to have talks yesterday and today with KeSPA and things did not go well. KeSPA has also been approaching english casters about the job, but so far none have accepted that I'm aware of. Not surprising.

As of right now OGN will not be involved with Proleague at any level for an English broadcast as far as I'm aware. All the preparation by the staff here over the last few months is now for nothing. Needless to say I'm crushed. I'm enjoying LoL, but I came back to Korea to cast Starcraft 2. We've still got OSL (which OGN owns), but SC2 team leagues are basically my favorite thing in the entire world and now that's gone.

So what do we get as fans of Proleague now? I still want to see these matches as much as anyone, but I'm frankly tired of KeSPA's lame ploys to try to keep control over something they never should have been in control if in the first place. For me it certainly sours the mood for what will be an epic first match between KT and EG.TL. I don't have any information about EIG's streams or when the broadcasts will be. If I find out I'll tell people. As hard as all this is to take, I want you guys to be able to watch if you want to.

Is there a possibility things might change? Possibly. If KeSPA feels enough pressure they might bend. I'm certainly going to do everything I can. What I'm not going to do is tell you to boycott Proleague. That's your choice and I don't have any business telling you not to watch a game and players that you love because of idiotic corporate politics that you aren't a part of and frankly don't deserve to be hurt by. I feel it's important people know what's going on behind the scenes sometimes, but it's best to focus on the game.

That's all I've got for now. If I get any updates I'll pass them on via my twitter. (@ggdoa)

Apparently MLG might be involved in some way with an English broadcast per MLG Lee's Twitter? If that's the case then I wish them the best of luck and a great season.


Having OGN not involved is incredibly foolish.
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 18:08:44
December 06 2012 18:05 GMT
#462
On December 07 2012 02:56 shadymmj wrote:
Even if I can't understand Korean I've always found that they are competent at directing the camera to where it should be, and do a good job of conveying excitement. I've always watched proleague in korean.

Don't like those captain obvious commentators in english, dunno, just don't see the necessity. Maybe that's because I know the game pretty well, so I don't need someone to tell me what's going on in the game.


The Korean commentators can be pretty silly. I was watching the map tests the other night and they were screaming their heads off when 3 phoenixes killed an overlord out in the middle of nowhere but hardly made any noise when they swooped in and picked up 6 drone kills.

Anyway, I prefer English casting (because I multitask a lot and need the audio to know what is going on when I'm not looking at it), but I'll watch Korean casting too. I'll probably watch less though.
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
December 06 2012 18:05 GMT
#463
SAYLE! SAYLE! SAYLE! You can do this bro! For ESPORTS!
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styleworks79
Profile Joined May 2011
United States127 Posts
December 06 2012 18:05 GMT
#464
Just another KeSPA politics and bully crap.
They will never learn and even though I am Korean, I am fully disappointed at everything they have done for
SC and the rest of Esports for that matter.
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styleworks79
Profile Joined May 2011
United States127 Posts
December 06 2012 18:06 GMT
#465
And to add, OGN made what SC is now and I do feel for DoA.
We will just have to wait and see but to me, it seems highly unlikely that
GaeSPA will change their attitude anytime soon.
Ares[S2000] West Op AresClan 난 요환이가 한번은 우승할거라고 믿어!
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
December 06 2012 18:10 GMT
#466
On December 07 2012 02:58 Gentso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 02:34 tylerf wrote:
People want sooooo badly to blame MLG for this. It's pretty funny.


I'm trying to wrap my head around MLG's intentions...

So originally OGN was supposed to cast this LIVE in English, right? And MLG wanted to RECAST it during prime time with their own crew? I mean, it just seems to me like MLG, being the money grubbing coorporation that they are, was trying to get in on something that didn't really concern them. And if that's true, then simple cause and effect means MLG caused this to happen.


No. OGN was only doing the weekend games in English. The other weekday games wouldn't have any English casters. We can assume MLG was looking to get the rights to cast those games.
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FreAk!
Profile Joined October 2012
Chile49 Posts
December 06 2012 18:11 GMT
#467
KeSPA does it again... wow..
Im sorry DoA, I hope you are doing well!
Zergu <3
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
December 06 2012 18:12 GMT
#468
On December 07 2012 03:02 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 02:59 Kazeyonoma wrote:
remember, this isn't your beloved OGN casters though that you knew of in scbw, those casters also got the big kick in the butt along with DoA, so you're gonna be looking at random casters that IEG picked and will probably while you won't understand them, either be terrible, or just scream the entire time.


We have confirmation for this? I thought it was just that OGN would not be doing any English broadcasts, but everything else would still go as planned for OGN.

If what you say is true I see OGN potentially dropping sc2 completely to focus on LoL. Why would they run a starleague when they can't broadcast proleague? It's so weird.


Ah my mistake, i misread what DoA said about OGN having no involvement at all (with english broadcast). my bad.
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Sway.746
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States95 Posts
December 06 2012 18:17 GMT
#469
On December 07 2012 02:45 Proseat wrote:
KeSPA apparently can be contacted: https://twitter.com/official_KeSPA

But if you do voice your concerns over this to them, please be civil about it.


They don't watch that Twitter account. No tweets since October. They only check this one: https://twitter.com/fakekespa
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
December 06 2012 18:20 GMT
#470
Haven't OGN and Kespa been close partners for years? Backstabbing like this is a pretty despiccable move, but I guess once your reputation is screwed, you don't need to give a f
Get off my lawn, young punks
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18764 Posts
December 06 2012 18:20 GMT
#471
I dont really need a english broadcast for proleague but it still sucks for DOA :/
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 18:21:14
December 06 2012 18:20 GMT
#472
Looks like KeSPA won't be threatening GOM's viewership any time soon, then.
CutieBK
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Sweden227 Posts
December 06 2012 18:23 GMT
#473
This is bad news indeed!

Shame for all the hard work wasted, DoA. Here's hoping there will come a day when kespa can't just bully everyone into submission!
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
December 06 2012 18:27 GMT
#474
Sorry for you, but as long as they don't touch our Korean streams we're golden
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rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
December 06 2012 18:27 GMT
#475
on the positive side, this means that the LR thread for PL will be much better
zyce
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States649 Posts
December 06 2012 18:31 GMT
#476
This is upsetting. Does this mean we won't be able to legally watch the Proleague games?
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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8196 Posts
December 06 2012 18:33 GMT
#477
Korean was how I was planning on watching PL anyways but I'm sorry to hear about this because many prefer English streams...
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
December 06 2012 18:34 GMT
#478
On December 07 2012 03:31 zyce wrote:
This is upsetting. Does this mean we won't be able to legally watch the Proleague games?


We can legally watch them in Korean, can't we? You can't legally restream them with an english commentator, though.
Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
December 06 2012 18:35 GMT
#479
On December 07 2012 03:10 Kiyo. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 02:58 Gentso wrote:
On December 07 2012 02:34 tylerf wrote:
People want sooooo badly to blame MLG for this. It's pretty funny.


I'm trying to wrap my head around MLG's intentions...

So originally OGN was supposed to cast this LIVE in English, right? And MLG wanted to RECAST it during prime time with their own crew? I mean, it just seems to me like MLG, being the money grubbing coorporation that they are, was trying to get in on something that didn't really concern them. And if that's true, then simple cause and effect means MLG caused this to happen.


No. OGN was only doing the weekend games in English. The other weekday games wouldn't have any English casters. We can assume MLG was looking to get the rights to cast those games.


Either way, it's still MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie. MLG is responsible either implicitly by asking to recast those games or explicity behind doors.
Vadrigar
Profile Joined January 2011
Bulgaria2379 Posts
December 06 2012 18:40 GMT
#480
On December 07 2012 02:56 Taipoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 02:52 TheRavensName wrote:
On December 07 2012 01:27 Blargh wrote:
There is bound to be an english stream. After all, having EG-TL was pretty much solely for getting more viewers (foreign). And if you have foreign viewers, you probably should have a foreign (english) stream for it.

But the whole scenario sounds very Kespa. I might watch the KR streams if I come across it, but probably won't go out of my way to see any matches now.

Well not really. I mean the EG-TL was because there is no air force ace anymore, and there were only 7 teams. They cant use ESF teams cause ESF and kespa have some sort of agreement I think prohibiting it. Reallly EG-TL was the best alternative. Who were they going to get otherwise? Empire?


No please, don´t burst the bubble.
All of this was because of the foreign viewers.
Those viewers who buy a lot of LG phones and TVs because of IM.
Those who only use razer gears and so on.


Do you think EG-TL participates in Proleague for free? They paid good money (that's why they made a partnership) to take part in it. And of course they want to make a profit by being exposed to their core audience- the foreigners. I doubt that they don't have a mandatory English stream in their contract with Kespa.
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