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G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2919 Posts
December 04 2012 06:15 GMT
#141
Terran: MVP, MMA, MarineKing, Taeja
Protoss: MC, First, Alicia, Seed
Zerg: DRG, NesTea, LeeNock, Sniper

Unified: MVP, MC, NesTea, MarineKing
ViktorSC
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 06:21:10
December 04 2012 06:17 GMT
#142
Terran: MVP, Boxer, TLO, Jjakji.

MVP is to WoL, what James Brown is to soul, he is the king. I still have yet to find the Boxer-Nada GSL VOD but I saw some of it, it was impressive to say the least. To this day, I am still hearing things about TLO and his Terran play, his Terran stream made me laugh SO hard. Jjakji, for me, represented all the new talent that evolved the way the game was played.

Protoss: MC, Seed, Squirtle, Hero.

Boss. Toss. Seed has a very intimidating style, he is incredibly unpredictable. Squirtle played one of the best matches I have ever witnessed. Hero is in a league of his own, not quite a GSL champion, but a champion everywhere else.

Zerg: Nestea, Leenock, Idra, Stephano.

Nestea. Leenock is possibly the best Zerg in the world, I shudder every time he sets of a Baneling mine, and are thankful it is not me on the receiving end. Idra is really more of a symbol, he represents all that is foreign and gosu, like Abraham Lincoln. Stephano is crazy. Don't ever insult Stephano in poster form.
Buildings are units, units are buildings.
trGKakarot
Profile Joined October 2011
United States129 Posts
December 04 2012 06:19 GMT
#143
On December 04 2012 14:31 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 14:25 trGKakarot wrote:
I don't get the love for FD, sure he won the first GSL (in fairly dominant fashion), but otherwise he was quite lackluster.

Unified:
MVP, Nestea, MC, MKP


I was under the impression how influential they are to the race plays a much bigger role in this regard rather than just results or how skilled they are. Fruitdealer earns a spot for me since he's the first Zerg and GSL champion. Won the thing when Zerg was having a very difficult time too.

Sure when you look back at WoL, you'll see numerous other Zergs that ended up being far better than Fruit ever was. Hell, but only a few weeks after he was on top of the world MKP knocked his ass out in the ro32 and Nestea did what he did in more dominating fashion and even avenged him by beating MKP. Still, his win was very memorable and he did manage to stay good for awhile before falling off. That's got to count for something.


I may be wrong (which is fine), but FD won by playing incredibly unorthodox. His unpredictability allowed him to pull off crazy wins in situations when his opponents were unsure how to handle all-ins or playing ridiculously greedy. It was purely circumstantial to there not being proper build orders to punish either play (IMO). The way Zerg was played was not fundamentally changed by his play style.

MKP lead the way in how TvZ was played for a solid 1.5 years; MVP showed us how powerful a macro Terran with nearly flawless game sense could truly be; Nestea played a perfect season, winning two seasons in a row even, purely amazing, his ZvX was nearly perfect and has been the way Zerg was played for 1.5 years; MC showed us that timing attacks can be so brutal the game looks laughably broken.

All four of these players defined the way their races/MUs were played for essentially all of WoL (up to the infestor/BL switch). FD won the first GSL and never shaped the meta-game beyond that point (from what it seemed to me), and faded away.
hihi glgl
robopork
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States511 Posts
December 04 2012 06:19 GMT
#144
MC, PartingSquirtle (as a siamese twin), Hero, Rain
“This left me alone to solve the coffee problem - a sort of catch-22, as in order to think straight I need caffeine, and in order to make that happen I need to think straight.”
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
December 04 2012 06:22 GMT
#145
Everyone basically has the same list which reads:

Terran: MVP, MMA, MKP and usually Polt
Protoss: MC, Seed and some other guys
Zerg: Nestea, DRG and then Stephano/Leenock/Fruitdealer fighting out the last couple of spots.

Unified: MVP, MC, Nestea, MKP
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
December 04 2012 06:27 GMT
#146
Terran: MVP, MMA, Marineking, and Polt.
- I really wanted to mix it up from these four, but how can you? Taeja maybe, but he's only been top-notch for a half year. These guys have been good since forever.

Protoss: MC, Parting, Naniwa, and Rain.
- MC is the pretty obvious choice, ever the entertainer and only Protoss to win multiple GSLs.
- Parting because he revolutionized two matchups with his early templar play against Terran, and the wonwonwon against Zerg.
- Naniwa is the best foreigner in my eyes, with 2 ro8 in the GSL, plus quite a few high finishes in other tournaments. Plus with his rivalry with Nestea for a time, who can ever forget him calling Nestea an idiot?
- Rain is the first SC2 OSL champion, the flag bearer for KeSPA in SC2, and a remarkable player overall.

Zerg: Nestea, DRG, Life, Stephano
- Nestea is the creator of the universe. That's all that needs to be said.
- DRG was a master of ZvT at its peak, been consistently one of the best, even getting to the OSL finals in his "slump"
- I had to go with Life over Leenock, they play somewhat similarly, but to be GSL's first royal roader at the AGE OF 15 is remarkable. Not to mention he beat Leenock at MLG grand finals.
- Stephano, the best foreigner and one of the most polarizing players in SC2.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
KOtical
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany451 Posts
December 04 2012 14:35 GMT
#147
i think 5 for each race fits better :
Terran: MVP, MKP, MMA, Polt, Teaja
Zerg: Nestea, Fruitdealer, Life, Leenock, Stephano
Protoss: MC, Hero, Seed, Squirtle, Creator
Fueled
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1610 Posts
December 04 2012 14:41 GMT
#148
Terran: Mvp, MKP, TLO (he will always be Terran to me), Polt

Protoss: MC, HuK, Naniwa, Rain

Zerg: Nestea, DRG, Fruitdealer, Idra
The Wood League - Where a double gas opening can still mean a Marine/SCV all-in
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
December 04 2012 15:05 GMT
#149
How can you let out Creator for protoss? He is the guy that reinvented PvT for nearly everyone. And DRG has been the most stable Zerg player since mid 2011.
Terran: MVP, MKP, Polt, MMA
Protoss: MC, Parting, Creator, Huk
Zerg: Nestea, DRG, Stephano, Leenock
Seldentar
Profile Joined May 2011
United States888 Posts
December 04 2012 15:08 GMT
#150
On December 04 2012 23:35 KOtical wrote:
i think 5 for each race fits better :
Terran: MVP, MKP, MMA, Polt, Teaja
Zerg: Nestea, Fruitdealer, Life, Leenock, Stephano
Protoss: MC, Hero, Seed, Squirtle, Creator


Replace Fruitdealer with DRG and Seed, Squrtle, or Creator with HuK and you're dead on.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
December 04 2012 15:17 GMT
#151
No matter who is carved on the mountain for Protoss, Inca will be there. You just can't see him. (Oblig joke.)

Terran... MVP (obviously), MKP, Polt, Taeja
Zerg... Nestea, Stephano, DRG, Hyun (There's always one guy there that just doesn't seem to match. Hyun's the Teddy Roosevelt.)
Protoss... MC, HerO, Parting (for the soul), Creator (because PRIME, dammit.)

Also, in all of these carvings, one must place one face above them all, looking down. ST_Legend, the Observer.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
December 04 2012 15:24 GMT
#152
I can't argue with your Terran picks Fionn.

For Zerg, I want to include DRG, but not sure who I'd boot. Stephano maybe? Fruitdealer and Nestea can't go anywhere!

Protoss is harder, but I'll give it a shot:

MC (of course), Parting, HerO, and...... Creator?

I don't think that I can put down Seed since I fear that he won't last. I would have loved to put Oz since I'm a big fan, but I just can't do it. Creator might not have the biggest winnings, but I think he made a bigger impression than a lot of other protoss - but that's pretty debatable I know.
Community Newsjjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji nshoseo.jpg
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
December 04 2012 15:27 GMT
#153
For terrans it seems pretty straight forward:
MVP, MMA, MKP, Polt
I guess you could make a case for either Taeja or Bomber over MKP or Polt, but I just don't see it.

For zerg there are more options. I'm a bit suprised to see so many leaving out DRG. Imo he's the second guy after Nestea up there. The next guy is probably Leenock, and then Stephano gets the last spot. Stephano might not have quite the results of the other three, but he's changed the way people play zerg as much as anyone. I'm just not feeling Fruitdealer. He got lucky first time out and then never did anything ever again. He started Code S by getting knocked out in R032 a few times, then eventually managed a single Ro16... and got knocked straight down to Code B.
Nestea, DRG, Leenock, Stephano

The protoss choice is the hardest. For a long time there was only MC, so obviously he's the safe choice. Since this is a monument over all of WoL I really think Genius deserves a spot. He's not only managed to stay in Code S the most consecutive seasons of any protoss he's also managed to stay relevant the entire time. The next one isn't based on results as much as influence. Creator has changed the way protoss is played so many times it's crazy, oh yeah, and he's 15 years old! He might not be the most accomplished, but without him, the game might look quite different. He deserves a spot. The last spot is probably between Rain and Parting. Rain lead the elephants in their transition over to SC2, and he won the single WoL OSL. And then he dropped out of GSL to go and lose at MLG... I think Parting gets it, for winning the last WCG (I know, lol) and of course WCS/BWC, the biggest tournament in all of WoL.
MC, Genius, Creator, Parting
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
December 04 2012 15:35 GMT
#154
On December 04 2012 14:39 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
holy shit i totally forgot about sangho/killer... he looked so strong at one point, didn't notice he's not in GSL anymore ;;




Never forget!

Actually he's probably out there somewhere right now picking up the girl you wish you were dating
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
December 04 2012 15:36 GMT
#155
I think you guys are missing the point of "Mt. Rushmore" of Starcraft. Fruitdealer was THE man when he won the first Code S in the fucking sea of Terrans. They made him a friggin portrait. He is the 1st, the revolutionary George Washington, and he is most definitely should be on the zerg Mt. Rush. Seriously? Leenock? Life? They are way better than Fruitdealer ever was but that's not the point. They don't represent milestones in the Zerg race. They are just good players riding the wave.

Terran: Easily the 4 mentioned MVP, MMA, MKP, Polt. They all represent major points of Terran domination or play. I think Polt is a point of contention but noone is worthy of taking his place.

Zerg: Fruitdealer, Nestea, Stephano, DRG. These guys are all highly significant in Zerg history/domination and were all "the best" at some point in time.

Protoss: MC, HuK, HerO, Parting. MC is a given, HuK is the only protoss foreigner to have consistently made waves back when he was relevant, Hero is 2 time DH winter winner and imo one of the first to really use multi-pronged harass with WP/HT/sentry, and Parting because of his revolutionary builds.
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
December 04 2012 15:39 GMT
#156
On December 05 2012 00:24 jakethesnake wrote:
I can't argue with your Terran picks Fionn.

For Zerg, I want to include DRG, but not sure who I'd boot. Stephano maybe? Fruitdealer and Nestea can't go anywhere!

Protoss is harder, but I'll give it a shot:

MC (of course), Parting, HerO, and...... Creator?

I don't think that I can put down Seed since I fear that he won't last. I would have loved to put Oz since I'm a big fan, but I just can't do it. Creator might not have the biggest winnings, but I think he made a bigger impression than a lot of other protoss - but that's pretty debatable I know.

I also have my doubts about how good Seed will be in the near future, but I guess it depends on what criteria you use for picking the heads for Mount Rushmore. If you want it to be along the lines of a Hall of Fame, instead of simply who was the best, then I think Seed deserves a spot. He ended the Protoss drought in GSL (beating MC of all people in the final).

This is also why I would put in Life for his royal road accomplishment. He hasn't been the most influential zerg but his achievement will be remembered.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 04 2012 15:43 GMT
#157
MVP MMA MKP
MC HerO
Nestea DRG

7 names I will not forget.
I had a good night of sleep.
Kluey
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1197 Posts
December 04 2012 15:43 GMT
#158
Toss: PartinG, Rain, HerO, Squirtle
MirageTaN
Profile Joined June 2012
Singapore871 Posts
December 04 2012 15:44 GMT
#159
Terran-Polt,Mvp,Bomber,TaeJa

Protoss-HerO,PartinG,Creator,Squirtle

Zerg-HyuN,Leenock,viOLet,Life

In my opinion these are the players with the potential to be the best at the highest level
#TLWIN TI7, TLDota BEST TL
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 15:52:18
December 04 2012 15:50 GMT
#160
Terran- MVP, MKP, Polt, Taeja, MMA. To me all of these guys have contributed to how Terran is played right now and they have all inspired my play. MVP just wins, and lives up to being IM's MVP. MMA while he has fallen off had some sick gameplay early on in WoL. Taeja is able to win at anytime and its awesome despite how weak terran can be. and polt is just awesome.

Protoss- Huk, MC, HerO, Parting, Naniwa
MC is a winner he is always a name people will list as a potential winner of a tournament. HuK and Naniwa at times can be korean killers and have done great for foreigners in GSL. Granted they are not the most consistent players. Naniwa works so hard, and I just love watching this guy play. Parting....came up with own zerg everytime build, and he is pretty good at the game.

Zerg- Idra, Stephano, Nestea, DRG, Leenock. Why idra? Well lets face it guy has one of the biggest fan bases, and at the start of WoL the guy wasn't that bad. Idra has had some big wins and honestly the community wants idra to exist and play the game because you need to love/hate someone right? Idra for a long time carried the flag for Foreigners vs Koreans. Stephano right now could be the best zerg playing the game right now who knows. Nestea, DRG, Leenock....champions all of who brought some cool stuff to the race.



I know i listed a few foreigners, but too me I didn't get into watching esports by watching koreans. I got into it when I saw the story of Idra vs MC at MLG and how cool it was. I got really excited for the Naniwa vs Nestea at an MLG. While koreans are amazing players, I feel like Foreigners are good too, and also help bring in the west into esports.
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