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trGKakarot
Profile Joined October 2011
United States129 Posts
December 04 2012 05:25 GMT
#121
I don't get the love for FD, sure he won the first GSL (in fairly dominant fashion), but otherwise he was quite lackluster.

Unified:
MVP, Nestea, MC, MKP
hihi glgl
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 04 2012 05:30 GMT
#122
On December 04 2012 14:25 trGKakarot wrote:
I don't get the love for FD, sure he won the first GSL (in fairly dominant fashion), but otherwise he was quite lackluster.

Unified:
MVP, Nestea, MC, MKP

being the first in something deserves alot of credit so when were looking at people who deserve alot of reconition of all time its natural he gets brought up
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
December 04 2012 05:31 GMT
#123
On December 04 2012 14:25 trGKakarot wrote:
I don't get the love for FD, sure he won the first GSL (in fairly dominant fashion), but otherwise he was quite lackluster.

Unified:
MVP, Nestea, MC, MKP


I was under the impression how influential they are to the race plays a much bigger role in this regard rather than just results or how skilled they are. Fruitdealer earns a spot for me since he's the first Zerg and GSL champion. Won the thing when Zerg was having a very difficult time too.

Sure when you look back at WoL, you'll see numerous other Zergs that ended up being far better than Fruit ever was. Hell, but only a few weeks after he was on top of the world MKP knocked his ass out in the ro32 and Nestea did what he did in more dominating fashion and even avenged him by beating MKP. Still, his win was very memorable and he did manage to stay good for awhile before falling off. That's got to count for something.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
December 04 2012 05:32 GMT
#124
If youre going from the beginning of sc2 till now, based purely on GSL it would be without question (and in order):

Terran: MVP, MarineKing, MMA, Polt

Protoss: MC, Genius, Seed, Hongun

Zerg: Nestea, DRG, FruitDealer, Leenock
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 04 2012 05:32 GMT
#125
Terran pretty much spot on. You get your face on the mountain for achievements and relevance, not style and fans and those four really are the most important. Except Mvp's head is as large as the other three combined. And MKP's head is underneath Mvp's lol

Protoss would probably be... MC, Seed (the only other toss champ matters, unfortunately), and a colossus. No fourth face, but it might be Inca, we'll never know.

Zerg are Fruitdealer (his make-up face from that weird everyone-is-a-transvestite season), Nestea, DRG and... the TSL logo.
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MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
December 04 2012 05:37 GMT
#126
On December 04 2012 05:43 Ettick wrote:
IMO for toss aside from MC it should be PartinG, Rain, and NaNiwa
Parting because he won BWC
Rain because he won OSL and is a top tier toss atm
NaNiwa because he's the best foreign toss player and had some really good runs in the GSL

Sorry but if youre going to put in Naniwa for those reasons, HuK outclasses him in every single way in that regard, he had similar top results in gsl, and managed to stay in code s longer than NaniWa during the protoss UP period, when there was only a handful of protoss making code s at a time, and huk has won several foreign tournaments unlike naniwa who has barely won any premier tournaments. This is a WoL thing which should be counted from the beginning of WoL, not 'who it would be now'
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10378 Posts
December 04 2012 05:39 GMT
#127
holy shit i totally forgot about sangho/killer... he looked so strong at one point, didn't notice he's not in GSL anymore ;;
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admi_n
Profile Joined November 2012
28 Posts
December 04 2012 05:40 GMT
#128
This is tough:

Terran- MMA, MKP, Mvp, and Polt
This should be self-explanatory

Protoss- MC, HerO, Parting, Squirtle
MC for his personality and previous dominance, HerO and Parting for their play. The only reason I put Squirtle over Seed is because he just saved Korea.

Zerg- DRG, Nestea, Stephano, Life
DRG and Nestea are the two Zergs that were dominant before infestor/BL. DRG earlier this year was arguably the best player to ever appear on the pro scene.
Stephano is the foreign hope, who just beat four of the best Koreans in the world back to back. He also accounts for 27 out of the 45 wins that foreigners have against Koreans in tournaments this year.
Life appears to be next in line for the same spot as DRG and Nestea. His creative play styles make him potentially the best Korean zerg right now.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10378 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 05:43:33
December 04 2012 05:43 GMT
#129
On December 04 2012 14:32 MateShade wrote:
If youre going from the beginning of sc2 till now, based purely on GSL it would be without question (and in order):

Terran: MVP, MarineKing, MMA, Polt

Protoss: MC, Genius, Seed, Hongun

Zerg: Nestea, DRG, FruitDealer, Leenock


HOLY SHIT i forgot about hongun, my favorite protoss, until you mentioned him ;O

Seed has been out of GSL for such a long long time though, despite being a good protoss back in early WoL and winning that one GSL. But you are basing only on GSL. So since he won a GSL, then yea.
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Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
December 04 2012 05:45 GMT
#130
Hmm, I guess I don't really have a problem with polt being on there, but there's some revisionist history going on with him here in the op. He was not good from the start like the others. In fact he was quite terrible and jinro beat him and then jinro selected him in group selection the next season because he was bad. However, polt went on to beat jinro and became good from that point on and the rest is history. However, I would probably put bomber on there over polt. Bomber doesn't have a gsl win like polt, but his peak play is better. The problem is bomber's rule means he can go from gosu to chobo from one game to the next.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Troxle
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States486 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 06:29:39
December 04 2012 05:47 GMT
#131
Protoss: MC, Genius, PartinG, HuK
MC is a no brainer. Genius is a no brainer in my opinion as well. HuK best three unit control! PartinG and HuK though have both had a great impact on the scene and PartinG continues to do so. (Protoss seems to be lackin' in the options of true faces of the game!)

Terran: Mvp, MMA, Polt, MarineKing
Mvp is a no brainer. MMA's performance in 2011 was just stellar. Polt is a GSL champion and an exceptionally strong Terran, even in the sea of overwhelmin' Zerg qq he still shows strong. MarineKing is MarineKing; there is no disputin' the rise of FoxeR.

Zerg: Life, DongRaeGu, Nestea, Fruitdealer
Life was the first royal roader and followed up his GSL victory with an MLG Dallas 2012 victory. DongRaeGu broke out onto the scene with a grand entrance in GSTL. I remember watchin' him the first time ever and couldn't get enough of his 80%+ win ratios at the beginnin' of his GSTL career. Nestea was the unstoppable Zerg and has won almost as many GSL titles as Mvp (though he's been to the finals less, but he's never lost a finals). Fruitdealer is the true face of Zerg for the start of StarCraft 2. Winner of the first GSL and his amazin' game versus Hopetorturer just provin' how much of a genius he was.

Random: TLO, Apollo, GuineaPig, GuMiho
Come on, these are the real faces of StarCraft! They played every race!

Casters: Grubby, Day[9], djWheat, Kevin "Catspajamas" Knocke

Honorable Mentions: IdrA, NaNiwa, Jinro, Stephano, Seed, Squirtle, Bomber, HerO, TaeJa, Leenock, Kyrix, HyuN
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Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 05:49:00
December 04 2012 05:48 GMT
#132
Terran: MVP, MMA, MKP, and Polt
All winners of GSL and MKP who might as well be a champion.

Zerg: Nestea, DRG, Leenock, and Life
GSL > all of Stephano's achievements.

Protoss: MC, Seed, Rain, and Parting
The 3 champions and the man with endless soul.

Honorable mentions include Taeja, HerO, Naniwa, HuK, Squirtle, Creator, Genius, FruitDealer, IdrA, and Jinro.

Also the real Mount Rushmore of SC2 is Mvp, MC, Nestea, MKP.

On December 04 2012 14:32 MateShade wrote:
If youre going from the beginning of sc2 till now, based purely on GSL it would be without question (and in order):

Terran: MVP, MarineKing, MMA, Polt

Protoss: MC, Genius, Seed, Hongun

Zerg: Nestea, DRG, FruitDealer, Leenock

I dunno, royal roading like Life did is better than Leenock's GSL stuff imo.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
SuperYo1000
Profile Joined July 2008
United States880 Posts
December 04 2012 05:51 GMT
#133
Protoss

MC: of course, President Toss, even in his slumps your scared of him
White Ra: the grandpa of Toss, with his unique style and harassment when protoss (warp paper prism) wasnt the norm
Squirtle:Another consistent Protoss player, very dangerous bringing one of my most memorable moments to a GSL finals (mvp vs squirtle vortex on the mass bc

Last slot, hard to fill this last spot, its just seems protoss pros drop off after there 15 minutes of fame, I would say it would have to got to one of these Naniwa, Parting, Creator, Hongun (how can I not use hongun when he he brought a carrier rush to gsl) Seed maybe
FrodaN
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
754 Posts
December 04 2012 05:51 GMT
#134
For me, there are 3 undisputed names per race:

MVP, MMA, MKP

Nestea, DRG, Stephano

MC, HuK, HerO

Everyone mentioned has changed the foundational way their race was perceived and played and/or achieved a pinnacle that no one could ever touch (Huk's 2010-2011 results, Stephano's 2011-2012 results).


If there's only 4 people on it overall:

MVP, Nestea, MC, Stephano. Easiest snap call ever.
schapel
Profile Joined October 2010
Argentina13 Posts
December 04 2012 06:00 GMT
#135
Terran: Flash, Mvp, Foxer, Polt

Protoss: Rain, MC, HerO, Parting (?)

Zerg: DRG, Nestea, Leenock, Life
In Flash we trust
Xpace
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2209 Posts
December 04 2012 06:01 GMT
#136
TERRAN


MVP - The first SC2 bonjwa, 7th in Starcraft as a whole.
MARINEKING - One of SC2's biggest upsets ever would be if this guy never got his GSL title.
MMA - TvZ was the flagship match of Wings of Liberty at its peak, and this man was the maestro.
POLT - Champion of many things, intelligent, never gives up, and handsome.

ZERG


NESTEA - The Overmind of the Universe, the only player with an award named after him.
DONGRAEGU - DRG is to Z as MMA is to T (see above), Most solid Zerg, Best GSTL player ever
LEENOCK - The cute Octopus who promises the most entertaining games
STEPHANO - The foreigner Overlord, the hope, the star, the only true foreigner that went toe-to-toe with top Koreans before the "patch"

PROTOSS


MC - God Tier Baller and Entertainer
HERO - He has everything, and he's probably the most consistent
PARTING - He's noticeably changed Protoss the most, and he's top 3 Protoss micro - really.
HUK - Liquid, not EG.
zeropoint
Profile Joined November 2010
United States94 Posts
December 04 2012 06:05 GMT
#137
Not sure why I haven't seen any shitty photoshop yet...come on people...
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 06:06:31
December 04 2012 06:05 GMT
#138
Terran: Bomber, MVP, MKP, Taeja

Zerg: Nestea, DRG, Losira, Leenock

Protoss: MC, Squirtle, Creator, Hero
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Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
December 04 2012 06:06 GMT
#139
On December 04 2012 15:01 Xpace wrote:
-snip-

MVP - The first SC2 bonjwa, 7th in Starcraft as a whole.

-snip-


Um, who was the 6th bonjwa then?

Boxer -> Nada - > oov -> sAviOr -> Flash -> ??? -> Mvp
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
Troxle
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States486 Posts
December 04 2012 06:15 GMT
#140
On December 04 2012 15:06 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 15:01 Xpace wrote:
-snip-

MVP - The first SC2 bonjwa, 7th in Starcraft as a whole.

-snip-


Um, who was the 6th bonjwa then?

Boxer -> Nada - > oov -> sAviOr -> Flash -> ??? -> Mvp


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