EPTCall to Action #2: November 30 Balance Testing - Page 2
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mYiKane
Canada1772 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On November 30 2012 11:22 Maynarde wrote: It's a TEST. Stop acting like these changes are final. They likely won't be, but it's still an affront. Reminds me a bit of the Joker, “and I thought my jokes were bad...” Precisely. And I'm not under the impression they will stop complaining because there's a possibility that IT eggs have 20 less hit points someday. | ||
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Poo
Canada536 Posts
- Eggs have absolutely no priority. - Even if it were viable to kill the eggs, protoss have to click so many eggs that the idea of 'killing eggs' before IT pop out is absurd... If they plan to change infested terrans - just increase the mana cost of infested terran slightly.. This would be much more worthwhile to put on a testing map in my opinion T_T | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
*gets the fuck out* | ||
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eMGmoG
Switzerland244 Posts
On November 30 2012 11:29 SuperYo1000 wrote: Global statistics don’t give us the impression that Zerg players have a general advantage, especially at the highest levels of play In what universe are they getting there info from? At first I thought I must be taking crazy pills....Turns out...blizzard is sucking these down like candy didnt this one guy do a spreadsheet with tournament wins per race per patch? and zerg is like now at 19 or something, vs 11 protoss and 4 terran since 1.5 ? where the hell do they get the numbers from? gsl is like at 35% TvZ isnt it? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
Altering their spells at this point in the game results in a change that's either too big or too small when the problem is the fact that the unit itself is just too rewarding to someone that masses a ton of them. No one is complaining about Infestors in smaller numbers, they serve the same function as Ghosts and HTs in the other match ups, the thing that separates the Infestor from the other caster units is its ability to function as a core army unit in the way Ghosts USED to right when they got hit with the nerf bat. Changing their supply cost to discourage people from massing them solves all of the problems for now, table changing Fungal Growth's design for HoTS and put in a fix that addresses the REAL problem now. | ||
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Monochromatic
United States999 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
On November 30 2012 11:37 Monochromatic wrote: Is projectile fungal still in? That was never scheduled for testing in WoL. That was mentioned as a change they want to try in HoTS beta to see how it goes, although we haven't seen a new build for HoTS in several weeks and lord knows we need one. | ||
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mataxp
Chile538 Posts
I really don't get it, if lategame terran is able to support mass ravens, you can guess they have the resources to upgrade seeker missile. | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On November 30 2012 11:22 Maynarde wrote: It's a TEST. Stop acting like these changes are final. In the last test, they ackowledged the problem around fungal, that's why they try to tweak it (it was terrible, but that's not the problem here). And few days later, ZZOOOOM, they totally change direction and act as if the IT eggs are the main problem in TvZ/PvZ. DKim is a wind vane. | ||
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Imperdest
Chile8 Posts
2.- Fungal slows 50% instead of paralize (specially to let some marines escape from fungal-cloud combo) 3.- Reduce the size of the infestor a little bit (more vulnerable to AoE: storms, EMP..) | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
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Glon
United States569 Posts
80 health = 1 STORM WILL KILL. You CAN NOT mass infested terran anymore -- all of the eggs will die. Thus, you need support for broods and the game will move AWAY from 15 infestors 20 BL -- you actually have to have roach/ling with your army. Again, currently, the problem is with these people who get 15~20 + infestor. This patch will stop it from happening if protoss uses storm correctly in conjunction with the standard 3 collosus with any death ball. Now, zerg must sacrifice infestor/BL supply for roach ling. It should be noted that I believe that fungal should root high templar and ghosts. It makes it so that zerg must actually kite and focus fire these units with Brood lords, not just A move and fungal. Don't even get me started on fungal not rooting speed warp prisms though. | ||
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archonOOid
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oxxo
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Chylith
Canada167 Posts
On November 30 2012 11:45 Glon wrote: You all are COMPLETELY missing the fucking point to lower egg health. 80 health = 1 STORM WILL KILL. You CAN NOT mass infested terran anymore -- all of the eggs will die. Thus, you need support for broods and the game will move AWAY from 15 infestors 20 BL -- you actually have to have roach/ling with your army. Again, currently, the problem is with these people who get 15~20 + infestor. This patch will stop it from happening if protoss uses storm correctly in conjunction with the standard 3 collosus with any death ball. Now, zerg must sacrifice infestor/BL supply for roach ling. It should be noted that I believe that fungal should root high templar or ghosts. It makes it so that zerg must actually kite and focus fire these units with BL, not just A move and fungal. Don't even get me started on fungal not rooting speed warp prisms though. That's great and all, except for 1: It doesn't help Terran at all who's struggling just as much as Protoss. and 2: it pins Protoss even more into HT if we want to deal with infestors. Fungal does root HT and ghosts btw, they reverted the change were it didn't I believe(hence these changes being the replacements) It also doesn't solve how ridiculous fungal is to play against in every matchup(yes even zvz is made more stupid due to "lol, fungal all the things!!") | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On November 30 2012 11:45 Glon wrote: You all are COMPLETELY missing the fucking point to lower egg health. 80 health = 1 STORM WILL KILL. You CAN NOT mass infested terran anymore -- all of the eggs will die. Thus, you need support for broods and the game will move AWAY from 15 infestors 20 BL -- you actually have to have roach/ling with your army. Again, currently, the problem is with these people who get 15~20 + infestor. This patch will stop it from happening if protoss uses storm correctly in conjunction with the standard 3 collosus with any death ball. Now, zerg must sacrifice infestor/BL supply for roach ling. It should be noted that I believe that fungal should root high templar and ghosts. It makes it so that zerg must actually kite and focus fire these units with Brood lords, not just A move and fungal. Don't even get me started on fungal not rooting speed warp prisms though. How the fuck does that help Terran? How the fuck does that help me engage Infestor/Bl/Spine when it can just Fungal me to death? | ||
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Glon
United States569 Posts
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Crawdad
614 Posts
This is a slap on the wrist for the Infestor. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On November 30 2012 11:52 Glon wrote: I was addressing the ZvP matchup. If you want my opinions of ZvT -- Watch bogus or Ryung for inspiration. Raven mech viking is good too. You mean Bogus and Ryung who both got crushed against people who aren't even in the GSL? Oh, yeah, thanks. But sure, I was talking about ZvP. ITs are only part of the problem. Fungaling my army in place and forcing me to rely on a money Vortex is ridiculous and favours the Zerg player. There is no way for Toss to engage that with or without ITs. | ||
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