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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
November 30 2012 09:30 GMT
#201
So wait, fungal isn't getting changed into a projectile? That was quite possibly the best change they could have made if they're not going to make it a slow instead of a root.

I saw terrans yesterday at IPL lose purely because they got fungaled and do nothing about it.

I fucking hate infestors so damn match. This is a joke.
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Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
November 30 2012 09:32 GMT
#202
This does seem very messy. The infested terran change does very little. The problem is the sheer volume and the ease with which they can pull this off. If they're going to do small changes, I recommend that they reduce the range that Infested Terrans can be cast to 7 or 6. What this does is put infestors inside Colossus and Thor range for longer as well as far inside Seige Tank range and forces the clever use of burrow to really pull off the mass army of infestors trick. They should also reduce the armour of infested terran eggs to zero, as well as nerfing the hitpoints to 70 (two tank shots) thus guaranteeing both storm kills and tank kills.

That might have the effect of reducing how strong infested terrans are in the short term. Does nothing about fungal, of course.

I'd also change the Raven so that Seeker Missiles can be fired from range 9 rather than the free upgrade. That puts them on par with Fungal Growth and means that they aren't sacrificial lambs to fungal anymore.
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 09:42:39
November 30 2012 09:41 GMT
#203
On November 30 2012 18:30 Qikz wrote:
So wait, fungal isn't getting changed into a projectile? That was quite possibly the best change they could have made if they're not going to make it a slow instead of a root.

I saw terrans yesterday at IPL lose purely because they got fungaled and do nothing about it.

I fucking hate infestors so damn match. This is a joke.

It is. It was only the doesn't-affect-Psionic part which was removed.

So many people don't seem to understand this and go apeshit about it... we need a mod note or the OP to edit his post with clarification or something.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
November 30 2012 09:42 GMT
#204
On November 30 2012 18:41 Antylamon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 18:30 Qikz wrote:
So wait, fungal isn't getting changed into a projectile? That was quite possibly the best change they could have made if they're not going to make it a slow instead of a root.

I saw terrans yesterday at IPL lose purely because they got fungaled and do nothing about it.

I fucking hate infestors so damn match. This is a joke.

It is. It was only the doesn't-affect-Psionic part which was removed.


Sorry I kind of just woke up and over-reacted. So they're keeping the projectile change?
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Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
November 30 2012 09:43 GMT
#205
On November 30 2012 18:42 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 18:41 Antylamon wrote:
On November 30 2012 18:30 Qikz wrote:
So wait, fungal isn't getting changed into a projectile? That was quite possibly the best change they could have made if they're not going to make it a slow instead of a root.

I saw terrans yesterday at IPL lose purely because they got fungaled and do nothing about it.

I fucking hate infestors so damn match. This is a joke.

It is. It was only the doesn't-affect-Psionic part which was removed.


Sorry I kind of just woke up and over-reacted. So they're keeping the projectile change?

It wasn't being tested at all, if I recall correctly. It'll be in HotS, not WoL.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
November 30 2012 09:44 GMT
#206
On November 30 2012 18:43 Antylamon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 18:42 Qikz wrote:
On November 30 2012 18:41 Antylamon wrote:
On November 30 2012 18:30 Qikz wrote:
So wait, fungal isn't getting changed into a projectile? That was quite possibly the best change they could have made if they're not going to make it a slow instead of a root.

I saw terrans yesterday at IPL lose purely because they got fungaled and do nothing about it.

I fucking hate infestors so damn match. This is a joke.

It is. It was only the doesn't-affect-Psionic part which was removed.


Sorry I kind of just woke up and over-reacted. So they're keeping the projectile change?

It wasn't being tested at all, if I recall correctly. It'll be in HotS, not WoL.


Ohhh damn I forgot about that. Sorry about over-reacting.

I still don't get how it was too much of a big change though, it just meant zerg needed other units to deal with warp prisms/etc. Ah well hopefully the fungal change will still happen in HoTS because it's a bit of a joke right now.
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Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 09:47:30
November 30 2012 09:46 GMT
#207
I think it was because of Sentries, for the most part... not being able to fungal those is a huge blow.

Why are my posts so unusually short today >.<
dde
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada796 Posts
November 30 2012 09:48 GMT
#208
On November 30 2012 11:29 SuperYo1000 wrote:
Global statistics don’t give us the impression that Zerg players have a general advantage, especially at the highest levels of play


In what universe are they getting there info from? At first I thought I must be taking crazy pills....Turns out...blizzard is sucking these down like candy


when terrans were doing well, they nerfed terran and said they cared balance for the lower tier users. This time they decide not to touch zerg and they say they care for the top tiers and they dont wanna touch as much because they "believe" the game is balanced for the top tier users. what a joke.
yes
DerBeutelWolf
Profile Joined November 2012
Belize15 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 10:06:24
November 30 2012 09:49 GMT
#209
Well, infestors will still remain extremly OP and unbalanced because blizzard think it's just absolutely fine. Worthless IT change too, btw. Way to spit in our face by Blizzard.
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
November 30 2012 09:51 GMT
#210
Thank god they didnt go through with the insane changes of not being able to fungal DT HT Sentries and Warp prisms...
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
November 30 2012 09:52 GMT
#211
On November 30 2012 18:48 dde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 11:29 SuperYo1000 wrote:
Global statistics don’t give us the impression that Zerg players have a general advantage, especially at the highest levels of play


In what universe are they getting there info from? At first I thought I must be taking crazy pills....Turns out...blizzard is sucking these down like candy


when terrans were doing well, they nerfed terran and said they cared balance for the lower tier users. This time they decide not to touch zerg and they say they care for the top tiers and they dont wanna touch as much because they "believe" the game is balanced for the top tier users. what a joke.

Blizz's approach to balance has changed, obviously. Imo for the better. Being cautious is a much better path than aiming haphazardly and overshooting.

You're probably just frustrated because you feel like your race got the short end of the stick.
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
November 30 2012 09:52 GMT
#212
We just published a new custom version of Antiga Shipyard, called "Antiga Shipyard (1.5.3 Balance)," in which we’re testing small balance changes to StarCraft II. This map has different balance adjustments than the previous version we published on November 20. With this test, we’re continuing to consider the meta-game around Zerg. Here’s the situation:

1. After testing the previous adjustment that made Psionic units immune to Fungal Growth, we found it to be too big of a change. We've reverted that change for now.


After my post in which I bitched a good deal, I looked at the post on the Blizzard forums. That was some awfully selective copy/pasting from the OP. It pretty clearly shows that they're only reverting the "Psionic units immune" change.

This is fine, the Psionic change wasn't really as necessary as Fungal Growth as projectile seems to be. I can take DTs being fungaled if we can dodge it now.
dde
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada796 Posts
November 30 2012 09:56 GMT
#213
On November 30 2012 18:52 Antylamon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 18:48 dde wrote:
On November 30 2012 11:29 SuperYo1000 wrote:
Global statistics don’t give us the impression that Zerg players have a general advantage, especially at the highest levels of play


In what universe are they getting there info from? At first I thought I must be taking crazy pills....Turns out...blizzard is sucking these down like candy


when terrans were doing well, they nerfed terran and said they cared balance for the lower tier users. This time they decide not to touch zerg and they say they care for the top tiers and they dont wanna touch as much because they "believe" the game is balanced for the top tier users. what a joke.

Blizz's approach to balance has changed, obviously. Imo for the better. Being cautious is a much better path than aiming haphazardly and overshooting.

You're probably just frustrated because you feel like your race got the short end of the stick.


is this really what u think? in my opinion I think they are just coming up with excuses/reasoning to not touch the balance because if the change they made goes bad they need to change whole lot of stuff when HOTS is going to come out soon.
yes
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3354 Posts
November 30 2012 09:57 GMT
#214
On November 30 2012 18:52 Mauldo wrote:
This is fine, the Psionic change wasn't really as necessary as Fungal Growth as projectile seems to be. I can take DTs being fungaled if we can dodge it now.

The projectile change is planned for HotS.
Fungal in WoL remains unchanged.
Decendos
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1341 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 09:58:25
November 30 2012 09:57 GMT
#215
fungal become a projectile is the most stupid idea ever.

too slow: fungal is now completely useless and blinkstalker and marines become retardedly OP.

too fast: nothing changes, chain fungal still possible.

just remove the root and make fungal a slow already.

the hp nerf for IT is very nice though. mass IT will become a lot worse. 80 might be too much though since now 1 storm can kill 20 IT eggs which might be too much.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
November 30 2012 10:01 GMT
#216
On November 30 2012 18:57 Decendos wrote:
fungal become a projectile is the most stupid idea ever.

too slow: fungal is now completely useless and blinkstalker and marines become retardedly OP.

too fast: nothing changes, chain fungal still possible.

just remove the root and make fungal a slow already.

the hp nerf for IT is very nice though. mass IT will become a lot worse. 80 might be too much though since now 1 storm can kill 20 IT eggs which might be too much.


Eggs regenerate 1 HP over 1storm, so they won't die. And yes, storm should counter ITs.
And 80 is really not that much, really not.

Projectile helps slightly. It's as you say, but statistically, it won't be like "clump of marines and I'm in range, DIE DIE DIE". It could be more like "clump of marines and I'm in range; a damn, they were moving and the wrong infestor shot the projectile, so I missed a few of them."
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
November 30 2012 10:01 GMT
#217
On November 30 2012 18:57 Decendos wrote:
fungal become a projectile is the most stupid idea ever.

too slow: fungal is now completely useless and blinkstalker and marines become retardedly OP.

too fast: nothing changes, chain fungal still possible.

just remove the root and make fungal a slow already.

the hp nerf for IT is very nice though. mass IT will become a lot worse. 80 might be too much though since now 1 storm can kill 20 IT eggs which might be too much.

Still can't kill eggs, which would actually be a fair tradeoff considering. The regen of eggs leave them with 1 hp, and only a 1 second window to cast storm for the full effect.
Sworm_MS
Profile Joined November 2012
17 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 10:03:24
November 30 2012 10:02 GMT
#218
Egg health reduced to 80 (was 100).
they are just mocking on all over the world.
one storm can't kill egg because of regen.
SirPinky
Profile Joined February 2011
United States525 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 10:08:37
November 30 2012 10:02 GMT
#219
On November 30 2012 11:29 SuperYo1000 wrote:
Global statistics don’t give us the impression that Zerg players have a general advantage, especially at the highest levels of play


In what universe are they getting there info from? At first I thought I must be taking crazy pills....Turns out...blizzard is sucking these down like candy


I saw their statement as well and I will add one thing: IF THIS IS TRUE WHY THE F*** ARE YOU EVEN TOUCHING ZERG? They are a walking/talking contradiction. Dustin's threads should really be in a philosophy class of how NOT to prove a statement.

This has to be the most ridiculous statement I've heard in a long time when they are the ones creating "call to action" threads. Blizzard, please just own up to the imbalanced level of infestors and move forward. I understand how "playing down" the problem with imbalance is a good mitigating control for job security, but Dustin and David should just quit at this point.
How much better to get wisdom than gold; to get insight rather than silver!
DerBeutelWolf
Profile Joined November 2012
Belize15 Posts
November 30 2012 10:05 GMT
#220
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* Since the pic didn't work in my earlier post.
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