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monk: Just talked to Dustin and did an interview. There's a mistake in this translation. He said in the test map, Psionic units will be unaffected by Fungal, not Neural. Also, they're looking into a lot of changes for the infestor, including removing Neural entirely in HotS.
Schnullerbacke13
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1199 Posts
November 17 2012 19:22 GMT
#221
if they want more diversity they should emphasize ground type (like high/low). Maybe add some new ground type such as forrest reducing splash or similar, increase sight range on high ground ....
21 is half the truth
kasumimi
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Greece460 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 19:30:43
November 17 2012 19:29 GMT
#222
On November 18 2012 04:19 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 04:03 kasumimi wrote:
Once again DB delivers. Vague, off-topic answers topped with arrogance.
Didn't expect anything more, this is classic neo-blizzard mentality. I guess we'll have to wait and see if the game actually improves with HOTS or degenerates even more.


You didn't actually read the interview, right?


You mean the part where he uses words like revolutionary and diversity about the one the most useless units in the game that HE created?
or the part where he casually forgets to talk about the infestor?
And he relaxes by talking about HSM and 250mm cannon when, the game is plagued with design oversights in it's core.

This is from the man who thought 1 food/2 armor roach was a fantastic idea in steppes of war.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
November 17 2012 19:31 GMT
#223
np nerf is really.... really derp

also doesn't do anything to the 2 spells that actually matter

On November 18 2012 02:05 nonsequitur wrote:
I guess every zerg can look forward to the fun that is muta vs muta in zvz again.

ever play bw?
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
November 17 2012 19:33 GMT
#224
It makes me happy that I predicted Zerg and Protoss ending up being the OP races once people learned to play by the first year of SC2, predicted that chargelots would take over, and predicted that the snipe nerf and queen change would completely break ZvT.

Correct on all points, and I come back half a year later after giving up on SC2 to see if they've made any changes, and see that Blizzard is still killing their own game off.

Whatever, I'm done. Sad that SC2 had to go out this way, but whatever.
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2014 Posts
November 17 2012 19:36 GMT
#225
I dont know, shouldn't they buff ultras, hydras and co instead of making NP weaker. I mean, Brood/Infestor forces out the mothership play in the first place.

I know Infestor is really became the core unit but the whole concept of support caster dosen't apply for that unit in the late game
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
Enel
Profile Joined April 2012
Sudan430 Posts
November 17 2012 19:37 GMT
#226
that wont fix the balance or the boringness. it actually makes the game more boring for the players who like to play with neural parasite. It gets clearer and clearer that they want WoL to be boring as shit.
Go Sudan
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
November 17 2012 19:38 GMT
#227
On November 18 2012 04:29 kasumimi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 04:19 Fragile51 wrote:
On November 18 2012 04:03 kasumimi wrote:
Once again DB delivers. Vague, off-topic answers topped with arrogance.
Didn't expect anything more, this is classic neo-blizzard mentality. I guess we'll have to wait and see if the game actually improves with HOTS or degenerates even more.


You didn't actually read the interview, right?


You mean the part where he uses words like revolutionary and diversity about the one the most useless units in the game that HE created?
or the part where he casually forgets to talk about the infestor?
And he relaxes by talking about HSM and 250mm cannon when, the game is plagued with design oversights in it's core.

This is from the man who thought 1 food/2 armor roach was a fantastic idea in steppes of war.


You totally changed your argument.

You accused Browder of being vague, off-topic and arrogant. The interview is most certainly not vague and off-topic. Arrogance is more open to interpretation.
MMA: The true King of Wings
Scootaloo SC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States122 Posts
November 17 2012 19:42 GMT
#228
The only complaint I have about Browder is his utter overuse of the word 'awesome.' "X unit isn't being as awesome as we hoped." "In this patch you'll get to see how awesome X unit is!" "Ability X is really awesome." Am I the only one bugged by this?
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
November 17 2012 19:42 GMT
#229
On November 18 2012 04:33 Dalavita wrote:
It makes me happy that I predicted Zerg and Protoss ending up being the OP races once people learned to play by the first year of SC2, predicted that chargelots would take over, and predicted that the snipe nerf and queen change would completely break ZvT.

Correct on all points, and I come back half a year later after giving up on SC2 to see if they've made any changes, and see that Blizzard is still killing their own game off.

Whatever, I'm done. Sad that SC2 had to go out this way, but whatever.


Wow, you are awesome. Bye.
KT best KT ~ 2014
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
November 17 2012 19:43 GMT
#230
On November 18 2012 04:42 Scootaloo SC2 wrote:
The only complaint I have about Browder is his utter overuse of the word 'awesome.' "X unit isn't being as awesome as we hoped." "In this patch you'll get to see how awesome X unit is!" "Ability X is really awesome." Am I the only one bugged by this?


Might be a personal quirk, maybe. Every interview I've seen with him he tends to the hyperbolic in his speech.
KT best KT ~ 2014
Solarist
Profile Joined September 2011
291 Posts
November 17 2012 19:46 GMT
#231
On November 18 2012 04:36 Darksoldierr wrote:
I dont know, shouldn't they buff ultras, hydras and co instead of making NP weaker. I mean, Brood/Infestor forces out the mothership play in the first place.

I know Infestor is really became the core unit but the whole concept of support caster dosen't apply for that unit in the late game


I dont see why Ultras should get buffed really. They are allready strong, most zerg just 1-a them into chokes and then cry they are useless. In open field fights they are really strong. Hydras do need buffs tho, after the heavy winfestor nerfs ofc
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
November 17 2012 19:49 GMT
#232
What is this. I don't read chinese. Is there not an english version?
rip passion
fighter2_40
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States420 Posts
November 17 2012 19:50 GMT
#233
On November 17 2012 22:00 Jumbled wrote:
I don't like it. I'd rather a change that gets away from relying on the mothership in lategame PvZ. This change to neural just makes it more important.


I completely agree. The way broodlord infestor works right now is just dumb. Nobody want's to see games with broodlord infestor because it is JUST DUMB. Using vortex to beat it isn't much better.

Also, these changes aren't gona change terran versus zerg. But that matchup can be made instantly better by nerfing corruptors so that they can't beat vikings so easily even without fungal. Corruptor is a dumb unit. It is a hard counter for air (this is why we don't see much carrier or battle cruiser usage) And basically it's only used as a transition to broodlord these days.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 19:52:11
November 17 2012 19:51 GMT
#234
On November 18 2012 04:07 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 04:03 kasumimi wrote:
Once again DB delivers. Vague, off-topic answers topped with arrogance.
Didn't expect anything more, this is classic neo-blizzard mentality. I guess we'll have to wait and see if the game actually improves with HOTS or degenerates even more.


Vague? Off-topic?

Yes to both:

Vague, because he only says what they are going to do to test stuff ... which we dont care about.
Off-topic, because no examples of how things would be changed were given.

The whole thing is more or less a giant "trust us, we know what we are doing" and that is very much in question after their abysmal designs for HotS without any clear concept for what would be working or fun and several "turn around 180 degrees" for the unit designs during the beta so far.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
November 17 2012 19:53 GMT
#235
On November 18 2012 04:49 Deathstar wrote:
What is this. I don't read chinese. Is there not an english version?


Translation courtesy of WeirdKid
MMA: The true King of Wings
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 19:54:48
November 17 2012 19:54 GMT
#236
On November 18 2012 04:51 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 04:07 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On November 18 2012 04:03 kasumimi wrote:
Once again DB delivers. Vague, off-topic answers topped with arrogance.
Didn't expect anything more, this is classic neo-blizzard mentality. I guess we'll have to wait and see if the game actually improves with HOTS or degenerates even more.


Vague? Off-topic?

Yes to both:

Vague, because he only says what they are going to do to test stuff ... which we dont care about.
Off-topic, because no examples of how things would be changed were given.

The whole thing is more or less a giant "trust us, we know what we are doing" and that is very much in question after their abysmal designs for HotS without any clear concept for what would be working or fun and several "turn around 180 degrees" for the unit designs during the beta so far.


I don't see how you can argue that at all... no examples? Really?
MMA: The true King of Wings
PandaTank
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
South Africa255 Posts
November 17 2012 19:56 GMT
#237
What? That doesn't change anything. It means the matchup still revolves around getting a lucky vortex, while the zerg player wins by using free units only. Retarded.
facebook.com/PandaTank \\\ @PandaTankSC2
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
November 17 2012 19:57 GMT
#238
On November 18 2012 04:31 zhurai wrote:
np nerf is really.... really derp

also doesn't do anything to the 2 spells that actually matter

Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 02:05 nonsequitur wrote:
I guess every zerg can look forward to the fun that is muta vs muta in zvz again.

ever play bw?



Can you honestly not tell the difference between stacked mutas and scourge micro vs "who has 1 more muta and carapace upgrade" sc2 muta vs muta zvz?
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 20:00:07
November 17 2012 19:57 GMT
#239
On November 18 2012 04:53 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 04:49 Deathstar wrote:
What is this. I don't read chinese. Is there not an english version?


Translation courtesy of WeirdKid

link to it should probably be put on the OP

On November 18 2012 04:57 Glurkenspurk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 04:31 zhurai wrote:
np nerf is really.... really derp

also doesn't do anything to the 2 spells that actually matter

On November 18 2012 02:05 nonsequitur wrote:
I guess every zerg can look forward to the fun that is muta vs muta in zvz again.

ever play bw?



Can you honestly not tell the difference between stacked mutas and scourge micro vs "who has 1 more muta and carapace upgrade" sc2 muta vs muta zvz?

I can, I was just mainly pointing out mutas isn't the only option still in ZvZ even "with a fungal nerf to make it a projectile"

I'm also that the fungal nerf doesn't mean mutas comes back in full force like he was implying by his post.

Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
November 17 2012 19:59 GMT
#240
WoL test map for Infestor Neural kind of says it all in terms of Blizzard's SC2 team making SC2 a more entertaining spectator game

managing to neural a Mothership is an entertaining action to a spectator albeit an imbalanced one assuming the Zerg can Vortex a Protoss or keep the Mothership neuraled, but still it's entertaining to a spectator to watch

since the HotS test map will have fungal being a projectile, the WoL test map should have been focused on experimenting with Infested Terran changes

ITs win games for present day Zerg far far more than neuraling psionic units
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