[Poll] How Infestor could be changed? - Page 9

On November 08 2012 23:36 camilocraft wrote:


1. The problem with air is that blizzard instead of buffing the hydra, makes zerg relay in a spell. For me is bad design.
2.
3. Agree
4. NP must affect anything I want
5. Maybe to harsh but must be 40. The idea is to nerf it because simply they are too cost efficient. I want to compare it with a marine drop. First you need to detect it instead of caching it when is flying. Second the cost of the drop is 500 Min 100 gas compared to the 150 100 of the infestor and third, the IT is more strong that the marine and basically are performing the same role. SO IT must cost more energy
6. I believe that IT should be spawned while burrowed
7. Reasonable

On November 09 2012 00:00 clocked wrote:
if fungal is should be a projectile so should emp like in bw, but with higher range and radius.

anyway, i think fungal should slow, eggs should have no armor, infestors need to be larger, no burrow infested terran shooting, infested terrans should be shorter duration, fungal really needs to have a team thing like emp and storm. lower the dps. lower the fungal range to like 5. make infestors stun themselves for like 2 seconds after they cast any spell. no neural parasite on massive units.

On November 08 2012 23:58 DidYuhim wrote:

1. Buffing Hyrdas will actually make people use those, makes sense. If anything, here is a major game flaw, roaches were never needed as a unit. They are designed as an a-move unit. Sure you still can micro them, but sometimes you might not even bother. Maybe my small brain fails to understand Big Logic behind unit that can completely ignore all AoE abilities and still be efficient.
4. NP is only used against Momaship. Kinda makes sence to keep it the way it is.
5. Why support unit must be good at making sneaky attacks? Sure, it's cool that one unit is pretty much good at everything, but that's what we want to remove. Having free units is pretty good already. Want to harass? Please, get mutalisks. They are pretty good when it comes to harassing.
6. ...whatever. Doesn't really matter that much. If you failed to detect infestors in time you will still get screwed.
7. Kinda makes sence, but, really, doesn't.

If blizz doesn't want to change the abilities and they consider those "balanced", just double the supply, cost and energy cost of infestors. Will be pretty fine.

On November 08 2012 23:59 budar wrote:
I'm a Zerg player but I'll try to be as unbiased as possible. Nerfing the infestor needs to be done very carefully because of one fact that doesn't get mentioned enough: the infestor is the core unit of the Zerg race. Yes, you read that right. The thing is, the core unit of a race (from what we know from past RTS experience) absolutely must be able to attack both ground and air. Since hydras are very specialized (and awful) units, they are not an option. Infestors can "attack" both ground and air with both fungal and IT.

That said, some of these suggestions are OK, but taking even a small number of them at the same time will in my opinion be a major overnerf. What I'd like to see is a more elaborate change to zerg as a whole that would include the infestor change as well. As that will not happen before HotS, it's pretty pointless to change anything now.

Just to give a simple example. One of the suggestions is that neural should not work on the mothership. While that might solve "something", it would just be a band-aid on a broken matchup. The matchup is not only broken because the infestor is "OP", it's broken because of like 5 different factors. One of them being that no single Zerg composition except broodlord/infestor/queen/spine even dents the Protoss deathball. That is a consequence of how colossi work (a-move AoE type of unit) coupled with forcefield in the early and mid game.

Anyway, making a spell cost supply is a horrible idea in my opinion, but making infestors 3 or even 4 supply sounds like an interesting idea. However, you will still see them massed as they are, as I said earlier, the core unit of the Zerg race. That's what actually needs to be changed.

On November 09 2012 00:11 trias_e wrote:
You have to be really careful if you're going to nerf the infestor since the mid game is balanced around it for zerg entirely. The end game mass infestor/bl is the real problem. I definitely wouldn't get rid of energy or mess with the supply. 75% snare instead of root sounds like a reasonable change. Would definitely help with vikings not getting countered by just infestors. As far as IT's go, perhaps a small change to energy cost (25 to 30). These seem like small nerfs, but they could be pretty huge as far as balance goes.

On November 09 2012 00:23 Carnate wrote:
Where's the option to make other races use their casters more?

On November 09 2012 00:24 KOtical wrote:


in TvZ its the problem that ghosts emp radius is to small to hit enough infestors, or infestors are too big... however you wanna see it. but by increasing the radius would lead to an imbalanced tvp...

On November 08 2012 23:06 Mooster wrote:
double the mana cost of infested terrans! 8 infested terrans per a 2 supply spell caster is ridiculous :3