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 MVP_DongRaeGu
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How does it feel to make it first out of your group into the Round of 16?
It feels so good. I practiced a lot because I wanted to go to Las Vegas, but I was worried when I was placed in a difficult group. I'm relieved that I was able to advance like this.
You lost in the OSL final against Rain.
I wasn't overly shocked. When I looked back, I just lost because I didn't play well enough, so I was able to brush it off and prepare for my GSL matches.
How did you practice?
I didn't practice specifically to counter my opponents' styles all that much. Instead, I kept playing games on ladder in order to keep my fundamentals solid.
You gave up going to MLG for the sake of playing in the GSL. Don't you feel some regret over that?
I don't. Because of how important this GSL is to me, I gave up going to foreign tournaments in order to keep up my endurance.
How would you rate your performance today?
Out of 10 points, I would give myself an 8. People perform a lot of all-ins against Creator, so I tried doing some early-game attacks of my own, and that worked very well. To prepare for Mvp-hyung, I watched the VODs of his games against Life during the GSL finals, and I think that that was what let me play so well against him today.
You made good use of your trademark Lair-tech play today.
I've recently realized that in order to put myself in a good position when I transition to a Hive-tech unit composition, I need to make vigorous use of my Lair-tech units to give myself an advantage. Instead of trying to follow other players' styles, I decided to stick to my own, specifically practicing strategies involving Lair-tech units.
Your former position as top Zerg has been overtaken by a number of other Zerg players.
When I see Leenock and Life doing well, I feel an urge to learn a lot of things. If I watch other players and grasp the strong points of their styles, I think that I might be able to retake my position as #1 Zerg.
Do you have anything more to say?
I want to thank my team's sponsors, Lotte Chilsung and Razer, as well as our partners, MYM and Wayi Spider. My coach had to go off to a League of Legends tournament in Taiwan, but I was luckily still able to do really well. I want to thank my coach's father for coming with me to the GSL studio, as well as the friends, family, girlfriend, and fans, who have cheered for me. The CSAT is coming up soon - it's not a test you want to have to take more than once. I hope that the people who do take the CSAT score well.
 CreatorPrime
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How does it feel to make it out second into the Round of 16?
I felt psychologically defeated after losing to DongRaeGu, but I'm glad that I was able to make it into the Round of 16 in such a dramatic fashion.
You were crushed during your match against DongRaeGu.
DongRaeGu largely goes for late game-oriented play, so I prepared mostly for the late game. That got me in a lot of trouble during the match.
After DongRaeGu advanced to the Round of 16, you were faced with two Terrans. Was this a help to you?
I felt some relief because I'm more confident in my PvT than my PvZ. I've recently been on a winning streak against Terrans, so I went into those matches with confidence.
Your PvT has seemed to improve lately.
It has definitely gotten better since before. I hope that I can maintain my current level of play into the future.
You had to play against Mvp, who has defeated you painfully in the past, in the final match.
Back when I previously lost to Mvp, I had little experience in the booth. Being beaten by Mvp back then actually gave me an advantage. I had already had experience playing against him in broadcasted matches, and since I've become a stronger player since then, I believed that I could win.
You showed some all-ins during your PvTs today. Has this been a change in your style?
I mostly play macro games during broadcasted matches. I felt the need to change up my style once in a while, so I tried doing some all-in rushes today. I wanted to change things up in order to throw my opponents off guard.
What are your goals this season?
Because Life has done so well lately, I feel that I need to perform well, too. My goal this season is to reach the semifinals. Since I can go to Las Vegas if I just make it to the Round of 4, my goal for now is the semifinals.
This is your first Code S Round of 16. Why do you think that you haven't been able to advance previously?
Today, I was thrown off because my mouse sensitivity setting wasn't set properly, and that was what lost me my first match. A lot of similar things happened to me during previous Code S matches, and the additional weight of being in Code S made me very nervous. But with today's victory, I felt like I've gotten a foothold onto the stage of Code S.
Do you have anyone whom you would like to face in the Round of 16?
Zergs have been far too strong recently, so I want to avoid them. I want to play PvPs if possible, so I'm worried that so few Protosses have gotten through so far.
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already.
Do you have anything more to say?
I want to send my thanks to Life, BBoongBBoong, Terius, a foreign player who goes by the ID TTPIG, and all of the other pros who helped me with practice. I was very shaken after losing against DongRaeGu today, so I want to thank my coach for helping me regain my composure, as well as my clan mates and Lee Hwang-hyeon's brother for coming to cheer for me. Finally, I want to thank Ttesports for sponsoring my team.
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wow, that was surprisingly fast. thank you very much for your effort! :-)
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Wooo! Good to see DRG feeling confident again 
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DRG my dear, you were great today, was kinda nervous after seeing you lost to rain in that fashion but today you played great.
I was wrong in doubting you :D
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DRG has been playing so well lately. Love his style, looking forward to seeing how far he can go this season.
"The CSAT is coming up soon, but I'm not able to prepare for the test. I hope that the people who do take the CSAT score well."
Teehee :>
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I love to see how fast you post it. Especially the part which says "Creator in 40 mins".
Good Interview! Thanks!
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Another pro calling out David Kim. Oh Creator, I love you.
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cool to see a pig shoutout
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Mvp not making it out feels strange.
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"Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already."
Damn, that's some strong statement there.. O_O
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On November 05 2012 23:22 Shiori wrote:
Another pro calling out David Kim. Oh Creator, I love you.
I think zergs are lucky that they are working on HoTS. Nerfing the infestor (and then buffing something else to compensate) is probably too much work right now for Blizzard.
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On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already.
Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this.
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On November 05 2012 23:39 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:22 Shiori wrote:
Another pro calling out David Kim. Oh Creator, I love you. I think zergs are lucky that they are working on HoTS. Nerfing the infestor (and then buffing something else to compensate) is probably too much work right now for Blizzard.
Can't wait for HotS. It gives a talentless player like me a new beginning.
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On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this.
It has gotten to a point where many pros Zerg players agreed that something has to be done with the infestor. But it should not just be a straight nerf, other Zerg units should get a buff to compensate. But buffing lings, banes, roaches,muta might overpowered Zerg early game. Buff t3 might mean that per hive timing window becomes too large. The only 'decent' candidate is hydras. But not sure what can be done...
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rofl creator tears love it :D
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mixed feelings about todays matches.
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On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this.
Agreed, enjoy your ban!
+ Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant.
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Oh great more zerg imbalance whine.
You would think they would win everything yet when you watch the results it aint so.
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Ah well HotS completely throws off balance anyway and zerg isn't that overpowered in the numbers yet so far.
The problem is just the playstyle, bl/infestor is incredibly boring. A simple nerf to fungal making it something like 6 instead of 4 seconds would be fine already, anything that nerfs chainfungal a bit would do.
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Nice interviews. DRG came out and stated exactly what I was thinking about his problems lately (that he was trying to push for Hive tech only like other zergs). If he can maintain this aggressive style like Life/Leenock and choose good times to transition into Hive (once he's gotten an advantage or held his own well) then he should be able to dominate right up there with Life/Leenock.
Creator's interview was pretty good but spoiled by the fact that he blames imbalance while also not being exactly the most innovative or precise player in ZvP. I mean look at his games vs. DRG he made terrible mistakes and then blames Fungal which was a non-factor. (loses to a zero-infestor army in game 2, in game 1 he lost to playing terribly and I think a grand total of 1 fungal hit his army and was not in any way the deciding factor). Also, he should look up Rain's games if he wants to continue to whine about how you can't beat Zerg.
The key to fixing Infestors, imo, is to make a new upgrade for Roach or Hydra that makes them really strong mid-late game but cannot be accessed quickly enough to be abuseable. I think if they give Roaches something cool like "burrow speed = normal speed" upgrade, range increase for Roach or Hydra, something.... the result would be that Zerg could hold until Hive tech and play a more even late game vs. Terran/Protoss rather than the current state which is them dying to timings left and right and then being a bit too strong when they do finally reach BL/Infestor.
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oh look balance whine from the wcs korea winner, where 7 out of the top 8 where protoss
though its cool to see interviews without the standard answers, way more fun
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On November 06 2012 00:09 Tsubbi wrote:
oh look balance whine from the wcs korea winner, where 7 out of the top 8 where protoss
though its cool to see interviews without the standard answers, way more fun
GM KR has more protoss than zegs/terrans
I think people cry too much because infestors/BLs are the only solid way that zergs can win the games, since their other units are very shitty supply wise. The problem is that they dont see ZvP is very close to 50%, its just that zergs always win with hive tech, while protoss can win with 2base all in, 3 base timings (before hive) and good double vortex
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On November 06 2012 00:04 Maloreon wrote:
Nice interviews. DRG came out and stated exactly what I was thinking about his problems lately (that he was trying to push for Hive tech only like other zergs). If he can maintain this aggressive style like Life/Leenock and choose good times to transition into Hive (once he's gotten an advantage or held his own well) then he should be able to dominate right up there with Life/Leenock.
Creator's interview was pretty good but spoiled by the fact that he blames imbalance while also not being exactly the most innovative or precise player in ZvP. I mean look at his games vs. DRG he made terrible mistakes and then blames Fungal which was a non-factor. (loses to a zero-infestor army in game 2, in game 1 he lost to playing terribly and I think a grand total of 1 fungal hit his army and was not in any way the deciding factor). Also, he should look up Rain's games if he wants to continue to whine about how you can't beat Zerg.
The key to fixing Infestors, imo, is to make a new upgrade for Roach or Hydra that makes them really strong mid-late game but cannot be accessed quickly enough to be abuseable. I think if they give Roaches something cool like "burrow speed = normal speed" upgrade, range increase for Roach or Hydra, something.... the result would be that Zerg could hold until Hive tech and play a more even late game vs. Terran/Protoss rather than the current state which is them dying to timings left and right and then being a bit too strong when they do finally reach BL/Infestor.
Rain uses Creator's 3base Immortal/Stalker push nearly every game. Please don't belittle Creator, who is easily top 5 Protoss worldwide.
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On November 06 2012 00:18 Dudasc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:09 Tsubbi wrote:
oh look balance whine from the wcs korea winner, where 7 out of the top 8 where protoss
though its cool to see interviews without the standard answers, way more fun GM KR has more protoss than zegs/terrans I think people cry too much because infestors/BLs are the only solid way that zergs can win the games, since their other units are very shitty supply wise. The problem is that they dont see ZvP is very close to 50%, its just that zergs always win with hive tech, while protoss can win with 2base all in, 3 base timings (before hive) and good double vortex
True, and i bet most Zergs will admit that Infestor/BL is boring as hell to watch. Nevertheless, just fixing Infestors won't do any good. They'd most probably need to fix something else in favor of Zerg.
While the balance is still pretty good, i think Creator will look good for most people with his statement because of how boring to watch the Zerg style of BL/Infestor is and it's sort of annoying that it's also used vs Terran.
Either way, thanks for the interviews Wozzot! DRG is really solid these days, too bad though that he did not win OSL. 
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Creator practicing frequently with life O_o so sick, surprising he lost to DRG if that is the case. Also I bet Life's ZvP will also improve.
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On November 06 2012 00:04 Maloreon wrote:
Nice interviews. DRG came out and stated exactly what I was thinking about his problems lately (that he was trying to push for Hive tech only like other zergs). If he can maintain this aggressive style like Life/Leenock and choose good times to transition into Hive (once he's gotten an advantage or held his own well) then he should be able to dominate right up there with Life/Leenock.
Creator's interview was pretty good but spoiled by the fact that he blames imbalance while also not being exactly the most innovative or precise player in ZvP. I mean look at his games vs. DRG he made terrible mistakes and then blames Fungal which was a non-factor. (loses to a zero-infestor army in game 2, in game 1 he lost to playing terribly and I think a grand total of 1 fungal hit his army and was not in any way the deciding factor). Also, he should look up Rain's games if he wants to continue to whine about how you can't beat Zerg.
The key to fixing Infestors, imo, is to make a new upgrade for Roach or Hydra that makes them really strong mid-late game but cannot be accessed quickly enough to be abuseable. I think if they give Roaches something cool like "burrow speed = normal speed" upgrade, range increase for Roach or Hydra, something.... the result would be that Zerg could hold until Hive tech and play a more even late game vs. Terran/Protoss rather than the current state which is them dying to timings left and right and then being a bit too strong when they do finally reach BL/Infestor.
To be fair to Creator, he didn't blame his loses to DRG to imbalance. He was just commenting on the state of PvZ from his point of view. These pros play a lot of games (not just the ones we see broadcast) so they have a pretty good perspective(although it is certainly biased).
I think it one of the Mvp/Nestea interviews in 2011 when they were the top 2 players in the world, Nestea mentioned that if the Terran doesn't make a mistake on Daybreak, a Zerg can't beat the Terran (pre ghost nerf). I think this is what Creator is referring to, if the Protoss and Zerg both play well (with minimal mistakes), the Zerg ends up winning 8/10.
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Ah cool to see Pig get a shoutout!
Interesting to see DRG not doing foreign tournaments. I wonder if its going to work out for him. I can imagine that the constant travel definitely stressed him out.
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On November 06 2012 00:26 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:04 Maloreon wrote:
Nice interviews. DRG came out and stated exactly what I was thinking about his problems lately (that he was trying to push for Hive tech only like other zergs). If he can maintain this aggressive style like Life/Leenock and choose good times to transition into Hive (once he's gotten an advantage or held his own well) then he should be able to dominate right up there with Life/Leenock.
Creator's interview was pretty good but spoiled by the fact that he blames imbalance while also not being exactly the most innovative or precise player in ZvP. I mean look at his games vs. DRG he made terrible mistakes and then blames Fungal which was a non-factor. (loses to a zero-infestor army in game 2, in game 1 he lost to playing terribly and I think a grand total of 1 fungal hit his army and was not in any way the deciding factor). Also, he should look up Rain's games if he wants to continue to whine about how you can't beat Zerg.
The key to fixing Infestors, imo, is to make a new upgrade for Roach or Hydra that makes them really strong mid-late game but cannot be accessed quickly enough to be abuseable. I think if they give Roaches something cool like "burrow speed = normal speed" upgrade, range increase for Roach or Hydra, something.... the result would be that Zerg could hold until Hive tech and play a more even late game vs. Terran/Protoss rather than the current state which is them dying to timings left and right and then being a bit too strong when they do finally reach BL/Infestor. Rain uses Creator's 3base Immortal/Stalker push nearly every game. Please don't belittle Creator, who is easily top 5 Protoss worldwide.
I love me some Creator but him balance whining is a bit odd considering he's so inconsistent in that match up. If things are so bad for PvZ then why does Creator not use the build he invented, like Rain does, to demolish Zerg before they get to Hive. Creator is certainly world class but he'd be better served working on his consistency vs. Zerg than whining about one unit (which rarely even beats him). That is all I'm saying, not belittling his play just can't believe he'd blame a race when he threw away those two games with poor mechanics.
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I have no sympathy for Protoss balance whines. Look at GSTL, how many all kills did Protoss get this season? If a race isn't doing well, how can they stand against players from all races trying to snipe them on favorable maps again and again?
Protoss won WCS and OSL just last month, and we're to believe that if both players are of equal skill, Protoss should loose 90% of the time? Wow, we must have some really skilled Protoss players out there, who are way way better than all the Zergs they're playing against...
Since he just recently won against him in TSL 4-2, I wonder, does Creator think he's two times better a player than Life?
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On November 06 2012 00:30 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:04 Maloreon wrote:
Nice interviews. DRG came out and stated exactly what I was thinking about his problems lately (that he was trying to push for Hive tech only like other zergs). If he can maintain this aggressive style like Life/Leenock and choose good times to transition into Hive (once he's gotten an advantage or held his own well) then he should be able to dominate right up there with Life/Leenock.
Creator's interview was pretty good but spoiled by the fact that he blames imbalance while also not being exactly the most innovative or precise player in ZvP. I mean look at his games vs. DRG he made terrible mistakes and then blames Fungal which was a non-factor. (loses to a zero-infestor army in game 2, in game 1 he lost to playing terribly and I think a grand total of 1 fungal hit his army and was not in any way the deciding factor). Also, he should look up Rain's games if he wants to continue to whine about how you can't beat Zerg.
The key to fixing Infestors, imo, is to make a new upgrade for Roach or Hydra that makes them really strong mid-late game but cannot be accessed quickly enough to be abuseable. I think if they give Roaches something cool like "burrow speed = normal speed" upgrade, range increase for Roach or Hydra, something.... the result would be that Zerg could hold until Hive tech and play a more even late game vs. Terran/Protoss rather than the current state which is them dying to timings left and right and then being a bit too strong when they do finally reach BL/Infestor. To be fair to Creator, he didn't blame his loses to DRG to imbalance. He was just commenting on the state of PvZ from his point of view. These pros play a lot of games (not just the ones we see broadcast) so they have a pretty good perspective(although it is certainly biased). I think it one of the Mvp/Nestea interviews in 2011 when they were the top 2 players in the world, Nestea mentioned that if the Terran doesn't make a mistake on Daybreak, a Zerg can't beat the Terran (pre ghost nerf). I think this is what Creator is referring to, if the Protoss and Zerg both play well (with minimal mistakes), the Zerg ends up winning 8/10.
I'm all for some adjustments to lots of spells and Fungal is certainly on the list, same as I was for the EMP nerf (and thought Snipe nerf was a good choice). The problem is these players who are not consistent in a match-up complaining about it... which will of course cause every single non-Zerg in the world to jump on the immediate nerf-Infestor bandwagon (when just a nerf to Infestor is not the answer, it needs to be accompanied by changes to a variety of units). Meanwhile other Protoss have no problem beating Zerg consistently pre and post Hive. Creator has some of the best PvT in the world - if he'd apply the same approach (outplaying opponent, long term gameplans) to his PvZ matchup and stop throwing games he'd do fine.
Changes definitely need to happen for the health of the game, but Zerg is in fact not stronger than the other races: gameplay and stats back this up.
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screw those who always can't wait to jump out and shout "balance whine!!" when ppl started to complain. Its a fact, even the some of the pros dare to come out and say it. its a fact that needs ppl to shout it out so that blizzard notices it
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On November 06 2012 00:37 Maloreon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:30 vthree wrote:On November 06 2012 00:04 Maloreon wrote:
Nice interviews. DRG came out and stated exactly what I was thinking about his problems lately (that he was trying to push for Hive tech only like other zergs). If he can maintain this aggressive style like Life/Leenock and choose good times to transition into Hive (once he's gotten an advantage or held his own well) then he should be able to dominate right up there with Life/Leenock.
Creator's interview was pretty good but spoiled by the fact that he blames imbalance while also not being exactly the most innovative or precise player in ZvP. I mean look at his games vs. DRG he made terrible mistakes and then blames Fungal which was a non-factor. (loses to a zero-infestor army in game 2, in game 1 he lost to playing terribly and I think a grand total of 1 fungal hit his army and was not in any way the deciding factor). Also, he should look up Rain's games if he wants to continue to whine about how you can't beat Zerg.
The key to fixing Infestors, imo, is to make a new upgrade for Roach or Hydra that makes them really strong mid-late game but cannot be accessed quickly enough to be abuseable. I think if they give Roaches something cool like "burrow speed = normal speed" upgrade, range increase for Roach or Hydra, something.... the result would be that Zerg could hold until Hive tech and play a more even late game vs. Terran/Protoss rather than the current state which is them dying to timings left and right and then being a bit too strong when they do finally reach BL/Infestor. To be fair to Creator, he didn't blame his loses to DRG to imbalance. He was just commenting on the state of PvZ from his point of view. These pros play a lot of games (not just the ones we see broadcast) so they have a pretty good perspective(although it is certainly biased). I think it one of the Mvp/Nestea interviews in 2011 when they were the top 2 players in the world, Nestea mentioned that if the Terran doesn't make a mistake on Daybreak, a Zerg can't beat the Terran (pre ghost nerf). I think this is what Creator is referring to, if the Protoss and Zerg both play well (with minimal mistakes), the Zerg ends up winning 8/10. I'm all for some adjustments to lots of spells and Fungal is certainly on the list, same as I was for the EMP nerf (and thought Snipe nerf was a good choice). The problem is these players who are not consistent in a match-up complaining about it... which will of course cause every single non-Zerg in the world to jump on the immediate nerf-Infestor bandwagon (when just a nerf to Infestor is not the answer, it needs to be accompanied by changes to a variety of units). Meanwhile other Protoss have no problem beating Zerg consistently pre and post Hive. Creator has some of the best PvT in the world - if he'd apply the same approach (outplaying opponent, long term gameplans) to his PvZ matchup and stop throwing games he'd do fine. Changes definitely need to happen for the health of the game, but Zerg is in fact not stronger than the other races: gameplay and stats back this up.
I can't think of a single Protoss player that consistently wins post-Hive. Not a single one.
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On November 06 2012 00:43 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:37 Maloreon wrote:On November 06 2012 00:30 vthree wrote:On November 06 2012 00:04 Maloreon wrote:
Nice interviews. DRG came out and stated exactly what I was thinking about his problems lately (that he was trying to push for Hive tech only like other zergs). If he can maintain this aggressive style like Life/Leenock and choose good times to transition into Hive (once he's gotten an advantage or held his own well) then he should be able to dominate right up there with Life/Leenock.
Creator's interview was pretty good but spoiled by the fact that he blames imbalance while also not being exactly the most innovative or precise player in ZvP. I mean look at his games vs. DRG he made terrible mistakes and then blames Fungal which was a non-factor. (loses to a zero-infestor army in game 2, in game 1 he lost to playing terribly and I think a grand total of 1 fungal hit his army and was not in any way the deciding factor). Also, he should look up Rain's games if he wants to continue to whine about how you can't beat Zerg.
The key to fixing Infestors, imo, is to make a new upgrade for Roach or Hydra that makes them really strong mid-late game but cannot be accessed quickly enough to be abuseable. I think if they give Roaches something cool like "burrow speed = normal speed" upgrade, range increase for Roach or Hydra, something.... the result would be that Zerg could hold until Hive tech and play a more even late game vs. Terran/Protoss rather than the current state which is them dying to timings left and right and then being a bit too strong when they do finally reach BL/Infestor. To be fair to Creator, he didn't blame his loses to DRG to imbalance. He was just commenting on the state of PvZ from his point of view. These pros play a lot of games (not just the ones we see broadcast) so they have a pretty good perspective(although it is certainly biased). I think it one of the Mvp/Nestea interviews in 2011 when they were the top 2 players in the world, Nestea mentioned that if the Terran doesn't make a mistake on Daybreak, a Zerg can't beat the Terran (pre ghost nerf). I think this is what Creator is referring to, if the Protoss and Zerg both play well (with minimal mistakes), the Zerg ends up winning 8/10. I'm all for some adjustments to lots of spells and Fungal is certainly on the list, same as I was for the EMP nerf (and thought Snipe nerf was a good choice). The problem is these players who are not consistent in a match-up complaining about it... which will of course cause every single non-Zerg in the world to jump on the immediate nerf-Infestor bandwagon (when just a nerf to Infestor is not the answer, it needs to be accompanied by changes to a variety of units). Meanwhile other Protoss have no problem beating Zerg consistently pre and post Hive. Creator has some of the best PvT in the world - if he'd apply the same approach (outplaying opponent, long term gameplans) to his PvZ matchup and stop throwing games he'd do fine. Changes definitely need to happen for the health of the game, but Zerg is in fact not stronger than the other races: gameplay and stats back this up. I can't think of a single Protoss player that consistently wins post-Hive. Not a single one.
Rain.
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On November 06 2012 00:44 Maloreon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:43 Shiori wrote:On November 06 2012 00:37 Maloreon wrote:On November 06 2012 00:30 vthree wrote:On November 06 2012 00:04 Maloreon wrote:
Nice interviews. DRG came out and stated exactly what I was thinking about his problems lately (that he was trying to push for Hive tech only like other zergs). If he can maintain this aggressive style like Life/Leenock and choose good times to transition into Hive (once he's gotten an advantage or held his own well) then he should be able to dominate right up there with Life/Leenock.
Creator's interview was pretty good but spoiled by the fact that he blames imbalance while also not being exactly the most innovative or precise player in ZvP. I mean look at his games vs. DRG he made terrible mistakes and then blames Fungal which was a non-factor. (loses to a zero-infestor army in game 2, in game 1 he lost to playing terribly and I think a grand total of 1 fungal hit his army and was not in any way the deciding factor). Also, he should look up Rain's games if he wants to continue to whine about how you can't beat Zerg.
The key to fixing Infestors, imo, is to make a new upgrade for Roach or Hydra that makes them really strong mid-late game but cannot be accessed quickly enough to be abuseable. I think if they give Roaches something cool like "burrow speed = normal speed" upgrade, range increase for Roach or Hydra, something.... the result would be that Zerg could hold until Hive tech and play a more even late game vs. Terran/Protoss rather than the current state which is them dying to timings left and right and then being a bit too strong when they do finally reach BL/Infestor. To be fair to Creator, he didn't blame his loses to DRG to imbalance. He was just commenting on the state of PvZ from his point of view. These pros play a lot of games (not just the ones we see broadcast) so they have a pretty good perspective(although it is certainly biased). I think it one of the Mvp/Nestea interviews in 2011 when they were the top 2 players in the world, Nestea mentioned that if the Terran doesn't make a mistake on Daybreak, a Zerg can't beat the Terran (pre ghost nerf). I think this is what Creator is referring to, if the Protoss and Zerg both play well (with minimal mistakes), the Zerg ends up winning 8/10. I'm all for some adjustments to lots of spells and Fungal is certainly on the list, same as I was for the EMP nerf (and thought Snipe nerf was a good choice). The problem is these players who are not consistent in a match-up complaining about it... which will of course cause every single non-Zerg in the world to jump on the immediate nerf-Infestor bandwagon (when just a nerf to Infestor is not the answer, it needs to be accompanied by changes to a variety of units). Meanwhile other Protoss have no problem beating Zerg consistently pre and post Hive. Creator has some of the best PvT in the world - if he'd apply the same approach (outplaying opponent, long term gameplans) to his PvZ matchup and stop throwing games he'd do fine. Changes definitely need to happen for the health of the game, but Zerg is in fact not stronger than the other races: gameplay and stats back this up. I can't think of a single Protoss player that consistently wins post-Hive. Not a single one. Rain.
Rain has best PvZ, but he usually kills zerg before broodlords
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People perform a lot of all-ins against Creator, so I tried doing some early-game attacks of my own
Was this the other way around?
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On November 06 2012 00:44 Maloreon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:43 Shiori wrote:On November 06 2012 00:37 Maloreon wrote:On November 06 2012 00:30 vthree wrote:On November 06 2012 00:04 Maloreon wrote:
Nice interviews. DRG came out and stated exactly what I was thinking about his problems lately (that he was trying to push for Hive tech only like other zergs). If he can maintain this aggressive style like Life/Leenock and choose good times to transition into Hive (once he's gotten an advantage or held his own well) then he should be able to dominate right up there with Life/Leenock.
Creator's interview was pretty good but spoiled by the fact that he blames imbalance while also not being exactly the most innovative or precise player in ZvP. I mean look at his games vs. DRG he made terrible mistakes and then blames Fungal which was a non-factor. (loses to a zero-infestor army in game 2, in game 1 he lost to playing terribly and I think a grand total of 1 fungal hit his army and was not in any way the deciding factor). Also, he should look up Rain's games if he wants to continue to whine about how you can't beat Zerg.
The key to fixing Infestors, imo, is to make a new upgrade for Roach or Hydra that makes them really strong mid-late game but cannot be accessed quickly enough to be abuseable. I think if they give Roaches something cool like "burrow speed = normal speed" upgrade, range increase for Roach or Hydra, something.... the result would be that Zerg could hold until Hive tech and play a more even late game vs. Terran/Protoss rather than the current state which is them dying to timings left and right and then being a bit too strong when they do finally reach BL/Infestor. To be fair to Creator, he didn't blame his loses to DRG to imbalance. He was just commenting on the state of PvZ from his point of view. These pros play a lot of games (not just the ones we see broadcast) so they have a pretty good perspective(although it is certainly biased). I think it one of the Mvp/Nestea interviews in 2011 when they were the top 2 players in the world, Nestea mentioned that if the Terran doesn't make a mistake on Daybreak, a Zerg can't beat the Terran (pre ghost nerf). I think this is what Creator is referring to, if the Protoss and Zerg both play well (with minimal mistakes), the Zerg ends up winning 8/10. I'm all for some adjustments to lots of spells and Fungal is certainly on the list, same as I was for the EMP nerf (and thought Snipe nerf was a good choice). The problem is these players who are not consistent in a match-up complaining about it... which will of course cause every single non-Zerg in the world to jump on the immediate nerf-Infestor bandwagon (when just a nerf to Infestor is not the answer, it needs to be accompanied by changes to a variety of units). Meanwhile other Protoss have no problem beating Zerg consistently pre and post Hive. Creator has some of the best PvT in the world - if he'd apply the same approach (outplaying opponent, long term gameplans) to his PvZ matchup and stop throwing games he'd do fine. Changes definitely need to happen for the health of the game, but Zerg is in fact not stronger than the other races: gameplay and stats back this up. I can't think of a single Protoss player that consistently wins post-Hive. Not a single one. Rain.
Rain got brutally crushed by Hyvaa in MvP and then by Leenock at MLG. In the OSL, the only game Rain lost was to DRG's Infestor/BL (i.e. post-Hive) army. Not exactly the best example.
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On November 06 2012 00:43 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:37 Maloreon wrote:On November 06 2012 00:30 vthree wrote:On November 06 2012 00:04 Maloreon wrote:
Nice interviews. DRG came out and stated exactly what I was thinking about his problems lately (that he was trying to push for Hive tech only like other zergs). If he can maintain this aggressive style like Life/Leenock and choose good times to transition into Hive (once he's gotten an advantage or held his own well) then he should be able to dominate right up there with Life/Leenock.
Creator's interview was pretty good but spoiled by the fact that he blames imbalance while also not being exactly the most innovative or precise player in ZvP. I mean look at his games vs. DRG he made terrible mistakes and then blames Fungal which was a non-factor. (loses to a zero-infestor army in game 2, in game 1 he lost to playing terribly and I think a grand total of 1 fungal hit his army and was not in any way the deciding factor). Also, he should look up Rain's games if he wants to continue to whine about how you can't beat Zerg.
The key to fixing Infestors, imo, is to make a new upgrade for Roach or Hydra that makes them really strong mid-late game but cannot be accessed quickly enough to be abuseable. I think if they give Roaches something cool like "burrow speed = normal speed" upgrade, range increase for Roach or Hydra, something.... the result would be that Zerg could hold until Hive tech and play a more even late game vs. Terran/Protoss rather than the current state which is them dying to timings left and right and then being a bit too strong when they do finally reach BL/Infestor. To be fair to Creator, he didn't blame his loses to DRG to imbalance. He was just commenting on the state of PvZ from his point of view. These pros play a lot of games (not just the ones we see broadcast) so they have a pretty good perspective(although it is certainly biased). I think it one of the Mvp/Nestea interviews in 2011 when they were the top 2 players in the world, Nestea mentioned that if the Terran doesn't make a mistake on Daybreak, a Zerg can't beat the Terran (pre ghost nerf). I think this is what Creator is referring to, if the Protoss and Zerg both play well (with minimal mistakes), the Zerg ends up winning 8/10. I'm all for some adjustments to lots of spells and Fungal is certainly on the list, same as I was for the EMP nerf (and thought Snipe nerf was a good choice). The problem is these players who are not consistent in a match-up complaining about it... which will of course cause every single non-Zerg in the world to jump on the immediate nerf-Infestor bandwagon (when just a nerf to Infestor is not the answer, it needs to be accompanied by changes to a variety of units). Meanwhile other Protoss have no problem beating Zerg consistently pre and post Hive. Creator has some of the best PvT in the world - if he'd apply the same approach (outplaying opponent, long term gameplans) to his PvZ matchup and stop throwing games he'd do fine. Changes definitely need to happen for the health of the game, but Zerg is in fact not stronger than the other races: gameplay and stats back this up. I can't think of a single Protoss player that consistently wins post-Hive. Not a single one.
Rain. Just in case you have not followed every major tournament for the last two months (I have for one) the majority of Protoss keep on doing the same 2 base and 3 base timings which are borderline all-in (meaning they are not preparing for tier 3 gameplay at all). I stand by my opinion that Terran and Protoss can in fact hold even with Zerg if they will actually prepare for the end game equally.
One of the most disgusting things right now is that when Zerg with good pre-Hive gameplay use this to get a huge advantage over T or P and then finish things off with Infestor/BL (you kind of have to sometimes) its ONLY the Infestor which is discussed and not the insane mechanics and choices made by Leenock/Life/DRG.
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On November 06 2012 00:44 Maloreon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:43 Shiori wrote:On November 06 2012 00:37 Maloreon wrote:On November 06 2012 00:30 vthree wrote:On November 06 2012 00:04 Maloreon wrote:
Nice interviews. DRG came out and stated exactly what I was thinking about his problems lately (that he was trying to push for Hive tech only like other zergs). If he can maintain this aggressive style like Life/Leenock and choose good times to transition into Hive (once he's gotten an advantage or held his own well) then he should be able to dominate right up there with Life/Leenock.
Creator's interview was pretty good but spoiled by the fact that he blames imbalance while also not being exactly the most innovative or precise player in ZvP. I mean look at his games vs. DRG he made terrible mistakes and then blames Fungal which was a non-factor. (loses to a zero-infestor army in game 2, in game 1 he lost to playing terribly and I think a grand total of 1 fungal hit his army and was not in any way the deciding factor). Also, he should look up Rain's games if he wants to continue to whine about how you can't beat Zerg.
The key to fixing Infestors, imo, is to make a new upgrade for Roach or Hydra that makes them really strong mid-late game but cannot be accessed quickly enough to be abuseable. I think if they give Roaches something cool like "burrow speed = normal speed" upgrade, range increase for Roach or Hydra, something.... the result would be that Zerg could hold until Hive tech and play a more even late game vs. Terran/Protoss rather than the current state which is them dying to timings left and right and then being a bit too strong when they do finally reach BL/Infestor. To be fair to Creator, he didn't blame his loses to DRG to imbalance. He was just commenting on the state of PvZ from his point of view. These pros play a lot of games (not just the ones we see broadcast) so they have a pretty good perspective(although it is certainly biased). I think it one of the Mvp/Nestea interviews in 2011 when they were the top 2 players in the world, Nestea mentioned that if the Terran doesn't make a mistake on Daybreak, a Zerg can't beat the Terran (pre ghost nerf). I think this is what Creator is referring to, if the Protoss and Zerg both play well (with minimal mistakes), the Zerg ends up winning 8/10. I'm all for some adjustments to lots of spells and Fungal is certainly on the list, same as I was for the EMP nerf (and thought Snipe nerf was a good choice). The problem is these players who are not consistent in a match-up complaining about it... which will of course cause every single non-Zerg in the world to jump on the immediate nerf-Infestor bandwagon (when just a nerf to Infestor is not the answer, it needs to be accompanied by changes to a variety of units). Meanwhile other Protoss have no problem beating Zerg consistently pre and post Hive. Creator has some of the best PvT in the world - if he'd apply the same approach (outplaying opponent, long term gameplans) to his PvZ matchup and stop throwing games he'd do fine. Changes definitely need to happen for the health of the game, but Zerg is in fact not stronger than the other races: gameplay and stats back this up. I can't think of a single Protoss player that consistently wins post-Hive. Not a single one. Rain.
So he actually beats the BL-infestor army with a brilliant engagement?
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On November 06 2012 00:44 Maloreon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:43 Shiori wrote:On November 06 2012 00:37 Maloreon wrote:On November 06 2012 00:30 vthree wrote:On November 06 2012 00:04 Maloreon wrote:
Nice interviews. DRG came out and stated exactly what I was thinking about his problems lately (that he was trying to push for Hive tech only like other zergs). If he can maintain this aggressive style like Life/Leenock and choose good times to transition into Hive (once he's gotten an advantage or held his own well) then he should be able to dominate right up there with Life/Leenock.
Creator's interview was pretty good but spoiled by the fact that he blames imbalance while also not being exactly the most innovative or precise player in ZvP. I mean look at his games vs. DRG he made terrible mistakes and then blames Fungal which was a non-factor. (loses to a zero-infestor army in game 2, in game 1 he lost to playing terribly and I think a grand total of 1 fungal hit his army and was not in any way the deciding factor). Also, he should look up Rain's games if he wants to continue to whine about how you can't beat Zerg.
The key to fixing Infestors, imo, is to make a new upgrade for Roach or Hydra that makes them really strong mid-late game but cannot be accessed quickly enough to be abuseable. I think if they give Roaches something cool like "burrow speed = normal speed" upgrade, range increase for Roach or Hydra, something.... the result would be that Zerg could hold until Hive tech and play a more even late game vs. Terran/Protoss rather than the current state which is them dying to timings left and right and then being a bit too strong when they do finally reach BL/Infestor. To be fair to Creator, he didn't blame his loses to DRG to imbalance. He was just commenting on the state of PvZ from his point of view. These pros play a lot of games (not just the ones we see broadcast) so they have a pretty good perspective(although it is certainly biased). I think it one of the Mvp/Nestea interviews in 2011 when they were the top 2 players in the world, Nestea mentioned that if the Terran doesn't make a mistake on Daybreak, a Zerg can't beat the Terran (pre ghost nerf). I think this is what Creator is referring to, if the Protoss and Zerg both play well (with minimal mistakes), the Zerg ends up winning 8/10. I'm all for some adjustments to lots of spells and Fungal is certainly on the list, same as I was for the EMP nerf (and thought Snipe nerf was a good choice). The problem is these players who are not consistent in a match-up complaining about it... which will of course cause every single non-Zerg in the world to jump on the immediate nerf-Infestor bandwagon (when just a nerf to Infestor is not the answer, it needs to be accompanied by changes to a variety of units). Meanwhile other Protoss have no problem beating Zerg consistently pre and post Hive. Creator has some of the best PvT in the world - if he'd apply the same approach (outplaying opponent, long term gameplans) to his PvZ matchup and stop throwing games he'd do fine. Changes definitely need to happen for the health of the game, but Zerg is in fact not stronger than the other races: gameplay and stats back this up. I can't think of a single Protoss player that consistently wins post-Hive. Not a single one. Rain.
Depends what you consider post-hive. Rain PvZ more often than not involves 3 base timing when zerg is about to hit hive... which is Creator's PvZ. And he didn't get enough soul for wonwonwon.
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On November 06 2012 00:18 Dudasc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:09 Tsubbi wrote:
oh look balance whine from the wcs korea winner, where 7 out of the top 8 where protoss
though its cool to see interviews without the standard answers, way more fun GM KR has more protoss than zegs/terrans I think people cry too much because infestors/BLs are the only solid way that zergs can win the games, since their other units are very shitty supply wise. The problem is that they dont see ZvP is very close to 50%, its just that zergs always win with hive tech, while protoss can win with 2base all in, 3 base timings (before hive) and good double vortex
The logic of 50/50 is really bad. Back then, TvP was 50/50 win rate, but 70% of those wins were basically terrans doing 1/1/1 all ins. Sure its statistically "balanced", but its not.
The same works for PvZ except for the late game.
its just blizzard's assymetrical balance losing control really
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On November 06 2012 00:50 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:44 Maloreon wrote:On November 06 2012 00:43 Shiori wrote:On November 06 2012 00:37 Maloreon wrote:On November 06 2012 00:30 vthree wrote:On November 06 2012 00:04 Maloreon wrote:
Nice interviews. DRG came out and stated exactly what I was thinking about his problems lately (that he was trying to push for Hive tech only like other zergs). If he can maintain this aggressive style like Life/Leenock and choose good times to transition into Hive (once he's gotten an advantage or held his own well) then he should be able to dominate right up there with Life/Leenock.
Creator's interview was pretty good but spoiled by the fact that he blames imbalance while also not being exactly the most innovative or precise player in ZvP. I mean look at his games vs. DRG he made terrible mistakes and then blames Fungal which was a non-factor. (loses to a zero-infestor army in game 2, in game 1 he lost to playing terribly and I think a grand total of 1 fungal hit his army and was not in any way the deciding factor). Also, he should look up Rain's games if he wants to continue to whine about how you can't beat Zerg.
The key to fixing Infestors, imo, is to make a new upgrade for Roach or Hydra that makes them really strong mid-late game but cannot be accessed quickly enough to be abuseable. I think if they give Roaches something cool like "burrow speed = normal speed" upgrade, range increase for Roach or Hydra, something.... the result would be that Zerg could hold until Hive tech and play a more even late game vs. Terran/Protoss rather than the current state which is them dying to timings left and right and then being a bit too strong when they do finally reach BL/Infestor. To be fair to Creator, he didn't blame his loses to DRG to imbalance. He was just commenting on the state of PvZ from his point of view. These pros play a lot of games (not just the ones we see broadcast) so they have a pretty good perspective(although it is certainly biased). I think it one of the Mvp/Nestea interviews in 2011 when they were the top 2 players in the world, Nestea mentioned that if the Terran doesn't make a mistake on Daybreak, a Zerg can't beat the Terran (pre ghost nerf). I think this is what Creator is referring to, if the Protoss and Zerg both play well (with minimal mistakes), the Zerg ends up winning 8/10. I'm all for some adjustments to lots of spells and Fungal is certainly on the list, same as I was for the EMP nerf (and thought Snipe nerf was a good choice). The problem is these players who are not consistent in a match-up complaining about it... which will of course cause every single non-Zerg in the world to jump on the immediate nerf-Infestor bandwagon (when just a nerf to Infestor is not the answer, it needs to be accompanied by changes to a variety of units). Meanwhile other Protoss have no problem beating Zerg consistently pre and post Hive. Creator has some of the best PvT in the world - if he'd apply the same approach (outplaying opponent, long term gameplans) to his PvZ matchup and stop throwing games he'd do fine. Changes definitely need to happen for the health of the game, but Zerg is in fact not stronger than the other races: gameplay and stats back this up. I can't think of a single Protoss player that consistently wins post-Hive. Not a single one. Rain. Depends what you consider post-hive. Rain PvZ more often than not involves 3 base timing when zerg is about to hit hive... which is Creator's PvZ. And he didn't get enough soul for wonwonwon.
Rain does defeat Zerg pre and post Hive though, and the question was "name one Protoss who can". Also, Protoss are generally going all-in vs. pre-Hive gameplay and then being crippled tech-wise when they fail to break their opponent.
I'd like to see Fungal toned down too and some other Tier 2 from Zerg toned-up. The whole problem is the frustrating gameplay for both sides which leads them to make these choices (timings vs. t3 rush).
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On November 05 2012 23:51 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. It has gotten to a point where many pros Zerg players agreed that something has to be done with the infestor. But it should not just be a straight nerf, other Zerg units should get a buff to compensate. But buffing lings, banes, roaches,muta might overpowered Zerg early game. Buff t3 might mean that per hive timing window becomes too large. The only 'decent' candidate is hydras. But not sure what can be done... I don't think very many zergs (even below pro-level) want fungal to stay the way is now. You have to be an infested avilo for that.
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Yeah it seems to me that Parting has had the most success with PvZ lately with his wonwonwon.
Rain has fell a bit since his Osl.
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On November 06 2012 00:53 Maloreon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:50 Godwrath wrote:On November 06 2012 00:44 Maloreon wrote:On November 06 2012 00:43 Shiori wrote:On November 06 2012 00:37 Maloreon wrote:On November 06 2012 00:30 vthree wrote:On November 06 2012 00:04 Maloreon wrote:
Nice interviews. DRG came out and stated exactly what I was thinking about his problems lately (that he was trying to push for Hive tech only like other zergs). If he can maintain this aggressive style like Life/Leenock and choose good times to transition into Hive (once he's gotten an advantage or held his own well) then he should be able to dominate right up there with Life/Leenock.
Creator's interview was pretty good but spoiled by the fact that he blames imbalance while also not being exactly the most innovative or precise player in ZvP. I mean look at his games vs. DRG he made terrible mistakes and then blames Fungal which was a non-factor. (loses to a zero-infestor army in game 2, in game 1 he lost to playing terribly and I think a grand total of 1 fungal hit his army and was not in any way the deciding factor). Also, he should look up Rain's games if he wants to continue to whine about how you can't beat Zerg.
The key to fixing Infestors, imo, is to make a new upgrade for Roach or Hydra that makes them really strong mid-late game but cannot be accessed quickly enough to be abuseable. I think if they give Roaches something cool like "burrow speed = normal speed" upgrade, range increase for Roach or Hydra, something.... the result would be that Zerg could hold until Hive tech and play a more even late game vs. Terran/Protoss rather than the current state which is them dying to timings left and right and then being a bit too strong when they do finally reach BL/Infestor. To be fair to Creator, he didn't blame his loses to DRG to imbalance. He was just commenting on the state of PvZ from his point of view. These pros play a lot of games (not just the ones we see broadcast) so they have a pretty good perspective(although it is certainly biased). I think it one of the Mvp/Nestea interviews in 2011 when they were the top 2 players in the world, Nestea mentioned that if the Terran doesn't make a mistake on Daybreak, a Zerg can't beat the Terran (pre ghost nerf). I think this is what Creator is referring to, if the Protoss and Zerg both play well (with minimal mistakes), the Zerg ends up winning 8/10. I'm all for some adjustments to lots of spells and Fungal is certainly on the list, same as I was for the EMP nerf (and thought Snipe nerf was a good choice). The problem is these players who are not consistent in a match-up complaining about it... which will of course cause every single non-Zerg in the world to jump on the immediate nerf-Infestor bandwagon (when just a nerf to Infestor is not the answer, it needs to be accompanied by changes to a variety of units). Meanwhile other Protoss have no problem beating Zerg consistently pre and post Hive. Creator has some of the best PvT in the world - if he'd apply the same approach (outplaying opponent, long term gameplans) to his PvZ matchup and stop throwing games he'd do fine. Changes definitely need to happen for the health of the game, but Zerg is in fact not stronger than the other races: gameplay and stats back this up. I can't think of a single Protoss player that consistently wins post-Hive. Not a single one. Rain. Depends what you consider post-hive. Rain PvZ more often than not involves 3 base timing when zerg is about to hit hive... which is Creator's PvZ. And he didn't get enough soul for wonwonwon. Rain does defeat Zerg pre and post Hive though, and the question was "name one Protoss who can". Also, Protoss are generally going all-in vs. pre-Hive gameplay and then being crippled tech-wise when they fail to break their opponent. I'd like to see Fungal toned down too and some other Tier 2 from Zerg toned-up. The whole problem is the frustrating gameplay for both sides which leads them to make these choices (timings vs. t3 rush).
The thing is that isn't even true. Watch his recent PvZ. He DOES NOT win consistently after post-hive. That was the question. And he doesn't, he wins with a 3 base timing push before Hive, not in lategame. We had seen some games where Mothership get a good vortex, and what not, but people was speaking about consistently winning, not if it's possible
I am not whining about balance, i couldn't careless about it and less if it's a biased programmer speaking about it on a interview withouth giving deep though about it, but your argument is wrong.
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On November 06 2012 00:59 Incomplet wrote:
Yeah it seems to me that Parting has had the most success with PvZ lately with his wonwonwon.
Rain has fell a bit since his Osl.
How did Rain fall? The only PvZ he's played since OSL was this weekend at MLG and he won them all and only lost to Leenock 2-4, who was playing amazing all weekend and has had a phenomenal PvZ record lately. He loses one series in months against Z, and now "fell off a bit since OSL"?
Comments like this make my head explode.
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On November 06 2012 01:05 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:59 Incomplet wrote:
Yeah it seems to me that Parting has had the most success with PvZ lately with his wonwonwon.
Rain has fell a bit since his Osl. How did Rain fall? The only PvZ he's played since OSL was this weekend at MLG and he only lost to Leenock 2-4, who was playing amazing all weekend and has had a phenomenal PvZ record lately. He loses one series in months against Z, and now "fell of a bit since OSL"? Comments like this make my head explode.
You're only as good as your last series in sc2 to some people.
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On November 06 2012 01:05 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:59 Incomplet wrote:
Yeah it seems to me that Parting has had the most success with PvZ lately with his wonwonwon.
Rain has fell a bit since his Osl. How did Rain fall? The only PvZ he's played since OSL was this weekend at MLG and he only lost to Leenock 2-4, who was playing amazing all weekend and has had a phenomenal PvZ record lately. He loses one series in months against Z, and now "fell of a bit since OSL"? Comments like this make my head explode.
Didn't you know ? He is TL-officially on a slump.
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On November 06 2012 01:05 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:59 Incomplet wrote:
Yeah it seems to me that Parting has had the most success with PvZ lately with his wonwonwon.
Rain has fell a bit since his Osl. How did Rain fall? The only PvZ he's played since OSL was this weekend at MLG and he only lost to Leenock 2-4, who was playing amazing all weekend and has had a phenomenal PvZ record lately. He loses one series in months against Z, and now "fell of a bit since OSL"? Comments like this make my head explode.
so true, rain's pvz is still the best imho
he went thorugh open bracket at mlg the whole day before facing leenock, he was pretty exhausted i bet
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On November 06 2012 01:05 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:59 Incomplet wrote:
Yeah it seems to me that Parting has had the most success with PvZ lately with his wonwonwon.
Rain has fell a bit since his Osl. How did Rain fall? The only PvZ he's played since OSL was this weekend at MLG and he won them all and only lost to Leenock 2-4, who was playing amazing all weekend and has had a phenomenal PvZ record lately. He loses one series in months against Z, and now "fell of a bit since OSL"? Comments like this make my head explode.
Well, he reached the semifinals in the GSL, then won WCS Asia and the OSL. And then he didn't even make top 4 at his first second overseas tournament, only reaching 6th place.
Just you wait this guy will be in Code D by the end of next year
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On November 06 2012 01:11 wozzot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 01:05 sitromit wrote:On November 06 2012 00:59 Incomplet wrote:
Yeah it seems to me that Parting has had the most success with PvZ lately with his wonwonwon.
Rain has fell a bit since his Osl. How did Rain fall? The only PvZ he's played since OSL was this weekend at MLG and he won them all and only lost to Leenock 2-4, who was playing amazing all weekend and has had a phenomenal PvZ record lately. He loses one series in months against Z, and now "fell of a bit since OSL"? Comments like this make my head explode. Well, he reached the quarterfinals in the GSL, then won WCS Asia and the OSL. And then he didn't even make top 4 at his first overseas tournament, only reaching 6th place. Just you wait this guy will be in Code D by the end of next year
Didn't he get to ro4 in gsl?
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On November 06 2012 01:11 wozzot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 01:05 sitromit wrote:On November 06 2012 00:59 Incomplet wrote:
Yeah it seems to me that Parting has had the most success with PvZ lately with his wonwonwon.
Rain has fell a bit since his Osl. How did Rain fall? The only PvZ he's played since OSL was this weekend at MLG and he won them all and only lost to Leenock 2-4, who was playing amazing all weekend and has had a phenomenal PvZ record lately. He loses one series in months against Z, and now "fell of a bit since OSL"? Comments like this make my head explode. Well, he reached the semifinals in the GSL, then won WCS Asia and the OSL. And then he didn't even make top 4 at his first second overseas tournament, only reaching 6th place. Just you wait this guy will be in Code D by the end of next year
Yeah, but what games has he won TODAY?
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On November 06 2012 01:06 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 01:05 sitromit wrote:On November 06 2012 00:59 Incomplet wrote:
Yeah it seems to me that Parting has had the most success with PvZ lately with his wonwonwon.
Rain has fell a bit since his Osl. How did Rain fall? The only PvZ he's played since OSL was this weekend at MLG and he only lost to Leenock 2-4, who was playing amazing all weekend and has had a phenomenal PvZ record lately. He loses one series in months against Z, and now "fell of a bit since OSL"? Comments like this make my head explode. You're only as good as your last series in sc2 to some people. poor bomber
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Life and Creator seem very close...
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On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant.
Greater didn't lose to DRG because of imbalance, and he didn't say that.
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woooo pig got a shout out! :D
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At least better than running through Prime stream naked
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On November 06 2012 00:53 Maloreon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:50 Godwrath wrote:On November 06 2012 00:44 Maloreon wrote:On November 06 2012 00:43 Shiori wrote:On November 06 2012 00:37 Maloreon wrote:On November 06 2012 00:30 vthree wrote:On November 06 2012 00:04 Maloreon wrote:
Nice interviews. DRG came out and stated exactly what I was thinking about his problems lately (that he was trying to push for Hive tech only like other zergs). If he can maintain this aggressive style like Life/Leenock and choose good times to transition into Hive (once he's gotten an advantage or held his own well) then he should be able to dominate right up there with Life/Leenock.
Creator's interview was pretty good but spoiled by the fact that he blames imbalance while also not being exactly the most innovative or precise player in ZvP. I mean look at his games vs. DRG he made terrible mistakes and then blames Fungal which was a non-factor. (loses to a zero-infestor army in game 2, in game 1 he lost to playing terribly and I think a grand total of 1 fungal hit his army and was not in any way the deciding factor). Also, he should look up Rain's games if he wants to continue to whine about how you can't beat Zerg.
The key to fixing Infestors, imo, is to make a new upgrade for Roach or Hydra that makes them really strong mid-late game but cannot be accessed quickly enough to be abuseable. I think if they give Roaches something cool like "burrow speed = normal speed" upgrade, range increase for Roach or Hydra, something.... the result would be that Zerg could hold until Hive tech and play a more even late game vs. Terran/Protoss rather than the current state which is them dying to timings left and right and then being a bit too strong when they do finally reach BL/Infestor. To be fair to Creator, he didn't blame his loses to DRG to imbalance. He was just commenting on the state of PvZ from his point of view. These pros play a lot of games (not just the ones we see broadcast) so they have a pretty good perspective(although it is certainly biased). I think it one of the Mvp/Nestea interviews in 2011 when they were the top 2 players in the world, Nestea mentioned that if the Terran doesn't make a mistake on Daybreak, a Zerg can't beat the Terran (pre ghost nerf). I think this is what Creator is referring to, if the Protoss and Zerg both play well (with minimal mistakes), the Zerg ends up winning 8/10. I'm all for some adjustments to lots of spells and Fungal is certainly on the list, same as I was for the EMP nerf (and thought Snipe nerf was a good choice). The problem is these players who are not consistent in a match-up complaining about it... which will of course cause every single non-Zerg in the world to jump on the immediate nerf-Infestor bandwagon (when just a nerf to Infestor is not the answer, it needs to be accompanied by changes to a variety of units). Meanwhile other Protoss have no problem beating Zerg consistently pre and post Hive. Creator has some of the best PvT in the world - if he'd apply the same approach (outplaying opponent, long term gameplans) to his PvZ matchup and stop throwing games he'd do fine. Changes definitely need to happen for the health of the game, but Zerg is in fact not stronger than the other races: gameplay and stats back this up. I can't think of a single Protoss player that consistently wins post-Hive. Not a single one. Rain. Depends what you consider post-hive. Rain PvZ more often than not involves 3 base timing when zerg is about to hit hive... which is Creator's PvZ. And he didn't get enough soul for wonwonwon. Rain does defeat Zerg pre and post Hive though, and the question was "name one Protoss who can". Also, Protoss are generally going all-in vs. pre-Hive gameplay and then being crippled tech-wise when they fail to break their opponent. I'd like to see Fungal toned down too and some other Tier 2 from Zerg toned-up. The whole problem is the frustrating gameplay for both sides which leads them to make these choices (timings vs. t3 rush).
There are still some games where protoss goes into the lategame in a really strong position by constantly denying zergs fourth over and over and taking a fourth and fifth themselves. Most of those games end with zerg killing the entire protoss without losing a single unit, then proceeding to roll over the protoss base. That is why Hero has been doing so poorly lately, he invests into the lategame while harassing everywhere. At the end of the day, if zerg has a BL/infestor army, then you pretty much don't win as protoss. Basetrading doesn't work since at some point you have to fight their army if they bring a few spines/spores with their army.
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DRG so well done.
I lob you.
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I don't get what people read into that single phrase of the creator interview. He was at no point reffering to his games today with that. He didn't say he is on one level with DRG, he didn't blame imbalance for his loses. He said his oppinion about the general balance in a matchup. It's pretty natural that every pro conciders his race/fraction to be weak. Remember MVP stating in an interview in the first half of 2011 that terran is the weakest race? Where was the shitstorm back then?
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On November 06 2012 01:06 Tsubbi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 01:05 sitromit wrote:On November 06 2012 00:59 Incomplet wrote:
Yeah it seems to me that Parting has had the most success with PvZ lately with his wonwonwon.
Rain has fell a bit since his Osl. How did Rain fall? The only PvZ he's played since OSL was this weekend at MLG and he only lost to Leenock 2-4, who was playing amazing all weekend and has had a phenomenal PvZ record lately. He loses one series in months against Z, and now "fell of a bit since OSL"? Comments like this make my head explode. so true, rain's pvz is still the best imho he went thorugh open bracket at mlg the whole day before facing leenock, he was pretty exhausted i bet
a kespa progamer who plays probably 8-10 hours straight per day exhausted after playing 5 best of 3's and winning them all 2-0? i honestly doubt it
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On November 06 2012 04:04 TeeTS wrote:
I don't get what people read into that single phrase of the creator interview. He was at no point reffering to his games today with that. He didn't say he is on one level with DRG, he didn't blame imbalance for his loses. He said his oppinion about the general balance in a matchup. It's pretty natural that every pro conciders his race/fraction to be weak. Remember MVP stating in an interview in the first half of 2011 that terran is the weakest race? Where was the shitstorm back then?
There was a bit of a shitstorm, actually.
That interview literally made me roll my eyes at Mvp.
I haven't taken anything he says seriously since.
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On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Creator: I want to play PvPs if possible
Baller lever: over nine thousand
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yea DRG!!! Win this season
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On November 06 2012 04:27 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Creator: I want to play PvPs if possible Baller lever: over nine thousand
Let's hope he didn't oz himself.
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Wow creator thanking ttpig, didn't know they practiced! :o
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We just have to put our faith in Parting's soul train and Polt's marauder/hellion all-in.
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You gave up going to MLG for the sake of playing in the GSL. Don't you feel some regret over that?
I don't. Because of how important this GSL is to me, I gave up going to foreign tournaments in order to keep up my endurance.
That's the attitude of a real contender, shame on you Rain (or whoever made Rain pull out).
Thanks for translation wozzot!
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On November 06 2012 00:32 Maloreon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 00:26 Shiori wrote:On November 06 2012 00:04 Maloreon wrote:
Nice interviews. DRG came out and stated exactly what I was thinking about his problems lately (that he was trying to push for Hive tech only like other zergs). If he can maintain this aggressive style like Life/Leenock and choose good times to transition into Hive (once he's gotten an advantage or held his own well) then he should be able to dominate right up there with Life/Leenock.
Creator's interview was pretty good but spoiled by the fact that he blames imbalance while also not being exactly the most innovative or precise player in ZvP. I mean look at his games vs. DRG he made terrible mistakes and then blames Fungal which was a non-factor. (loses to a zero-infestor army in game 2, in game 1 he lost to playing terribly and I think a grand total of 1 fungal hit his army and was not in any way the deciding factor). Also, he should look up Rain's games if he wants to continue to whine about how you can't beat Zerg.
The key to fixing Infestors, imo, is to make a new upgrade for Roach or Hydra that makes them really strong mid-late game but cannot be accessed quickly enough to be abuseable. I think if they give Roaches something cool like "burrow speed = normal speed" upgrade, range increase for Roach or Hydra, something.... the result would be that Zerg could hold until Hive tech and play a more even late game vs. Terran/Protoss rather than the current state which is them dying to timings left and right and then being a bit too strong when they do finally reach BL/Infestor. Rain uses Creator's 3base Immortal/Stalker push nearly every game. Please don't belittle Creator, who is easily top 5 Protoss worldwide. I love me some Creator but him balance whining is a bit odd considering he's so inconsistent in that match up. If things are so bad for PvZ then why does Creator not use the build he invented, like Rain does, to demolish Zerg before they get to Hive. Creator is certainly world class but he'd be better served working on his consistency vs. Zerg than whining about one unit (which rarely even beats him). That is all I'm saying, not belittling his play just can't believe he'd blame a race when he threw away those two games with poor mechanics.
What the hell is with people suggesting that balance whining somehow insinuates players aren't trying to get better?
It takes like 20 seconds to do a fucking balance whine. It's not like they're sitting on their asses for 5 hours a day ranting on forums and refusing to play the MU. They're clearly playing it regularly and are just frustrated at the MU.
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On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant.
creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm
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On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm
Yeah, he has personally created () many of the Protoss standard builds right now. Just remember how the double forge shook up the PvT meta a while ago. That's thanks to Creator. Or the 3 base colossus pre hive timing that Rain likes to use? Made by Creator. With his win in WCS Korea, he proved that he has no stage fright anymore. So yeah, he is on championship level, as is DRG.
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On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm
but dat 2-0....
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On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0....
dat 4-1 before today...
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On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today...
but dat was a long time ago.
WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races.
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On November 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today... but dat was a long time ago. WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races.
then why did you even raise the 2-0? heh the games were both crap, i'm sure we can agree thatwas not creator's a-game
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On November 06 2012 06:32 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today... but dat was a long time ago. WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races. then why did you even raise the 2-0? heh the games were both crap, i'm sure we can agree thatwas not creator's a-game
I like how creator only beats DRG when he was slumping.
First in march and then in july.
Both periods where DRG had a mental breakdown after losing critical games in GSL/GSTL/MLG
*pokes opterown
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On November 06 2012 06:32 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today... but dat was a long time ago. WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races. then why did you even raise the 2-0? heh the games were both crap, i'm sure we can agree thatwas not creator's a-game
because when someone says another player is as good as DRG, i get mad, even if its true because im an ignorant fan.
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On November 06 2012 06:34 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:32 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today... but dat was a long time ago. WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races. then why did you even raise the 2-0? heh the games were both crap, i'm sure we can agree thatwas not creator's a-game I like how creator only beats DRG when he was slumping. First in march and then in july. Both periods where DRG had a mental breakdown after losing critical games in GSL/GSTL/MLG *pokes opterown
well. let me correct you there - creator beat DRG a week after his GSL win - which was NOT after the season he bombed out. just after his win, and just before his MLG second place. don't think DRG was slumping then.
creator also beat DRG in january - which was when he was peaking
creator also routinely beat DRG on stream too when both streamed a few months back.
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On November 06 2012 06:50 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:34 neoghaleon55 wrote:On November 06 2012 06:32 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:On November 05 2012 22:34 wozzot wrote:
Zergs have been very strong recently.
I think that SC2 is more imbalanced now than it has ever been before. It's impossible to fend off Zergs. If two players are equal in skill, the Zerg will win 8 or 9 times out of 10. That's how broken game balance is right now. I would like David Kim to patch the game already. Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today... but dat was a long time ago. WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races. then why did you even raise the 2-0? heh the games were both crap, i'm sure we can agree thatwas not creator's a-game I like how creator only beats DRG when he was slumping. First in march and then in july. Both periods where DRG had a mental breakdown after losing critical games in GSL/GSTL/MLG *pokes opterown well. let me correct you there - creator beat DRG a week after his GSL win - which was NOT after the season he bombed out. just after his win, and just before his MLG second place. don't think DRG was slumping then. creator also beat DRG in january - which was when he was peaking creator also routinely beat DRG on stream too when both streamed a few months back.
we counting stream matches now?
Creator beat DRG March 18th.
The GSL seaon 1 grand finals was on March 3rd...hardly just 1 week.
I think he celebrated his win too hard and started dropping games accumulation to his total collapse at MLG that same week and GSL code S one week after.
The only game I'll give you is the january one...but do we really count best of 1s?
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On November 06 2012 07:02 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 06:50 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:34 neoghaleon55 wrote:On November 06 2012 06:32 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:On November 05 2012 23:44 Hryul wrote:
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Ban that balance whiner already! . . . I guess people whining about PvZ have gotten a strong backup with this. Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today... but dat was a long time ago. WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races. then why did you even raise the 2-0? heh the games were both crap, i'm sure we can agree thatwas not creator's a-game I like how creator only beats DRG when he was slumping. First in march and then in july. Both periods where DRG had a mental breakdown after losing critical games in GSL/GSTL/MLG *pokes opterown well. let me correct you there - creator beat DRG a week after his GSL win - which was NOT after the season he bombed out. just after his win, and just before his MLG second place. don't think DRG was slumping then. creator also beat DRG in january - which was when he was peaking creator also routinely beat DRG on stream too when both streamed a few months back. we counting stream matches now? Creator beat DRG March 18th. The GSL seaon 1 grand finals was on March 3rd...hardly just 1 week. I think he celebrated his win too hard and started dropping games accumulation to his total collapse at MLG that same week and GSL code S one week after. The only game I'll give you is the january one...but do we really count best of 1s?
your assertion that creator beats DRG only when he is slumping is incorrect, i don't even know how you can excuse DRG "oh he was partying too much" because DRG did win games in GSTL after anyway. he hardly totally collapsed - DRG crushed everyone and lost to an in-form MKP.
i'm happy to admit DRG rolled over creator today, but to delegitimise creator's 4-1 record over DRG is pretty bad
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On November 06 2012 07:04 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 07:02 neoghaleon55 wrote:On November 06 2012 06:50 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:34 neoghaleon55 wrote:On November 06 2012 06:32 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:[quote] Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today... but dat was a long time ago. WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races. then why did you even raise the 2-0? heh the games were both crap, i'm sure we can agree thatwas not creator's a-game I like how creator only beats DRG when he was slumping. First in march and then in july. Both periods where DRG had a mental breakdown after losing critical games in GSL/GSTL/MLG *pokes opterown well. let me correct you there - creator beat DRG a week after his GSL win - which was NOT after the season he bombed out. just after his win, and just before his MLG second place. don't think DRG was slumping then. creator also beat DRG in january - which was when he was peaking creator also routinely beat DRG on stream too when both streamed a few months back. we counting stream matches now? Creator beat DRG March 18th. The GSL seaon 1 grand finals was on March 3rd...hardly just 1 week. I think he celebrated his win too hard and started dropping games accumulation to his total collapse at MLG that same week and GSL code S one week after. The only game I'll give you is the january one...but do we really count best of 1s? your assertion that creator beats DRG only when he is slumping is incorrect, i don't even know how you can excuse DRG "oh he was partying too much" because DRG did win games in GSTL after anyway. he hardly totally collapsed - DRG crushed everyone and lost to an in-form MKP. i'm happy to admit DRG rolled over creator today, but to delegitimise creator's 4-1 record over DRG is pretty bad
4-3* record now i believe
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On November 06 2012 07:07 TommyP wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 07:04 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 07:02 neoghaleon55 wrote:On November 06 2012 06:50 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:34 neoghaleon55 wrote:On November 06 2012 06:32 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:
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creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today... but dat was a long time ago. WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races. then why did you even raise the 2-0? heh the games were both crap, i'm sure we can agree thatwas not creator's a-game I like how creator only beats DRG when he was slumping. First in march and then in july. Both periods where DRG had a mental breakdown after losing critical games in GSL/GSTL/MLG *pokes opterown well. let me correct you there - creator beat DRG a week after his GSL win - which was NOT after the season he bombed out. just after his win, and just before his MLG second place. don't think DRG was slumping then. creator also beat DRG in january - which was when he was peaking creator also routinely beat DRG on stream too when both streamed a few months back. we counting stream matches now? Creator beat DRG March 18th. The GSL seaon 1 grand finals was on March 3rd...hardly just 1 week. I think he celebrated his win too hard and started dropping games accumulation to his total collapse at MLG that same week and GSL code S one week after. The only game I'll give you is the january one...but do we really count best of 1s? your assertion that creator beats DRG only when he is slumping is incorrect, i don't even know how you can excuse DRG "oh he was partying too much" because DRG did win games in GSTL after anyway. he hardly totally collapsed - DRG crushed everyone and lost to an in-form MKP. i'm happy to admit DRG rolled over creator today, but to delegitimise creator's 4-1 record over DRG is pretty bad 4-3* record now i believe
yes, i was talking about before today
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On November 06 2012 07:04 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 07:02 neoghaleon55 wrote:On November 06 2012 06:50 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:34 neoghaleon55 wrote:On November 06 2012 06:32 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:On November 05 2012 23:56 fezvez wrote:[quote] Agreed, enjoy your ban! + Show Spoiler +Nah, I'm being an idiot! Thanks a lot for the interview wozzot!
Though, I have to agree, I find that Creator whines a bit too hard >< Can he really say that he feels that he's at the same level than DRG and lost because of imbalance? He doesn't say it explicitely, but that's what implied... And that's pretty arrogant. creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today... but dat was a long time ago. WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races. then why did you even raise the 2-0? heh the games were both crap, i'm sure we can agree thatwas not creator's a-game I like how creator only beats DRG when he was slumping. First in march and then in july. Both periods where DRG had a mental breakdown after losing critical games in GSL/GSTL/MLG *pokes opterown well. let me correct you there - creator beat DRG a week after his GSL win - which was NOT after the season he bombed out. just after his win, and just before his MLG second place. don't think DRG was slumping then. creator also beat DRG in january - which was when he was peaking creator also routinely beat DRG on stream too when both streamed a few months back. we counting stream matches now? Creator beat DRG March 18th. The GSL seaon 1 grand finals was on March 3rd...hardly just 1 week. I think he celebrated his win too hard and started dropping games accumulation to his total collapse at MLG that same week and GSL code S one week after. The only game I'll give you is the january one...but do we really count best of 1s? your assertion that creator beats DRG only when he is slumping is incorrect, i don't even know how you can excuse DRG "oh he was partying too much" because DRG did win games in GSTL after anyway. he hardly totally collapsed - DRG crushed everyone and lost to an in-form MKP. i'm happy to admit DRG rolled over creator today, but to delegitimise creator's 4-1 record over DRG is pretty bad
Alright
you win
I love you
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On November 06 2012 07:08 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 07:04 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 07:02 neoghaleon55 wrote:On November 06 2012 06:50 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:34 neoghaleon55 wrote:On November 06 2012 06:32 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:
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creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today... but dat was a long time ago. WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races. then why did you even raise the 2-0? heh the games were both crap, i'm sure we can agree thatwas not creator's a-game I like how creator only beats DRG when he was slumping. First in march and then in july. Both periods where DRG had a mental breakdown after losing critical games in GSL/GSTL/MLG *pokes opterown well. let me correct you there - creator beat DRG a week after his GSL win - which was NOT after the season he bombed out. just after his win, and just before his MLG second place. don't think DRG was slumping then. creator also beat DRG in january - which was when he was peaking creator also routinely beat DRG on stream too when both streamed a few months back. we counting stream matches now? Creator beat DRG March 18th. The GSL seaon 1 grand finals was on March 3rd...hardly just 1 week. I think he celebrated his win too hard and started dropping games accumulation to his total collapse at MLG that same week and GSL code S one week after. The only game I'll give you is the january one...but do we really count best of 1s? your assertion that creator beats DRG only when he is slumping is incorrect, i don't even know how you can excuse DRG "oh he was partying too much" because DRG did win games in GSTL after anyway. he hardly totally collapsed - DRG crushed everyone and lost to an in-form MKP. i'm happy to admit DRG rolled over creator today, but to delegitimise creator's 4-1 record over DRG is pretty bad Alright you win I love you <3
you too neo! these fan fights are fun :p
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On November 06 2012 07:08 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 07:04 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 07:02 neoghaleon55 wrote:On November 06 2012 06:50 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:34 neoghaleon55 wrote:On November 06 2012 06:32 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:10 opterown wrote:
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creator is easily as good as drg if not better, especially atm but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today... but dat was a long time ago. WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races. then why did you even raise the 2-0? heh the games were both crap, i'm sure we can agree thatwas not creator's a-game I like how creator only beats DRG when he was slumping. First in march and then in july. Both periods where DRG had a mental breakdown after losing critical games in GSL/GSTL/MLG *pokes opterown well. let me correct you there - creator beat DRG a week after his GSL win - which was NOT after the season he bombed out. just after his win, and just before his MLG second place. don't think DRG was slumping then. creator also beat DRG in january - which was when he was peaking creator also routinely beat DRG on stream too when both streamed a few months back. we counting stream matches now? Creator beat DRG March 18th. The GSL seaon 1 grand finals was on March 3rd...hardly just 1 week. I think he celebrated his win too hard and started dropping games accumulation to his total collapse at MLG that same week and GSL code S one week after. The only game I'll give you is the january one...but do we really count best of 1s? your assertion that creator beats DRG only when he is slumping is incorrect, i don't even know how you can excuse DRG "oh he was partying too much" because DRG did win games in GSTL after anyway. he hardly totally collapsed - DRG crushed everyone and lost to an in-form MKP. i'm happy to admit DRG rolled over creator today, but to delegitimise creator's 4-1 record over DRG is pretty bad Alright you win I love you <3
No! Stand strong in the name of drg!
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On November 06 2012 07:09 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 07:08 neoghaleon55 wrote:On November 06 2012 07:04 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 07:02 neoghaleon55 wrote:On November 06 2012 06:50 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:34 neoghaleon55 wrote:On November 06 2012 06:32 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:28 TommyP wrote:On November 06 2012 06:21 opterown wrote:On November 06 2012 06:17 TommyP wrote:
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but dat 2-0.... dat 4-1 before today... but dat was a long time ago. WCS Korea was in the depths of DRG;s slump and DRG lost 1-2 and game 3 was close if i recall correctly. Either way, 4-1 or 0-2 is too small to say who the better player is. Both are near the top players of their respective races. then why did you even raise the 2-0? heh the games were both crap, i'm sure we can agree thatwas not creator's a-game I like how creator only beats DRG when he was slumping. First in march and then in july. Both periods where DRG had a mental breakdown after losing critical games in GSL/GSTL/MLG *pokes opterown well. let me correct you there - creator beat DRG a week after his GSL win - which was NOT after the season he bombed out. just after his win, and just before his MLG second place. don't think DRG was slumping then. creator also beat DRG in january - which was when he was peaking creator also routinely beat DRG on stream too when both streamed a few months back. we counting stream matches now? Creator beat DRG March 18th. The GSL seaon 1 grand finals was on March 3rd...hardly just 1 week. I think he celebrated his win too hard and started dropping games accumulation to his total collapse at MLG that same week and GSL code S one week after. The only game I'll give you is the january one...but do we really count best of 1s? your assertion that creator beats DRG only when he is slumping is incorrect, i don't even know how you can excuse DRG "oh he was partying too much" because DRG did win games in GSTL after anyway. he hardly totally collapsed - DRG crushed everyone and lost to an in-form MKP. i'm happy to admit DRG rolled over creator today, but to delegitimise creator's 4-1 record over DRG is pretty bad Alright you win I love you <3 No! Stand strong in the name of drg!
I don't need to.
I think DRG spoke for himself last night.
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That's an incredibly bold statement.
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They probably won't patch it since HoS is coming "soon", sorry creator
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Thanks for the interview!
Nice to see DRG returning to his old form.
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DRG said "it's not a test you want to take again" which refers to a thing in Korea where ppl will actually take another year studying for JUST that exam if they get a bad score, even after they've graduated (they'd just go to private academies and study for a year).
so in a way, he's telling ppl he wishes they do well, but not exactly in the most encouraging way
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I'll just say that I am incredibly relieved to see DRG play with this sort of form in the GSL. I wanna see him take it all in Las Vegas, and I think he looks to have a good shot if the round of 32 matches played so far are any indication.
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On November 06 2012 10:39 Waxangel wrote:
DRG said "it's not a test you want to take again" which refers to a thing in Korea where ppl will actually take another year studying for JUST that exam if they get a bad score, even after they've graduated (they'd just go to private academies and study for a year).
so in a way, he's telling ppl he wishes they do well, but not exactly in the most encouraging way
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