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PlainShane
Profile Joined September 2011
United States62 Posts
October 23 2012 17:22 GMT
#1681
I just do not think that I care much anymore. Let's get on with life. Jessica is drama. Good riddance she is gone from the scene.
"Sorry, Venkman. I'm terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought." -Dr. Egon Spengler
Thug[ro]
Profile Joined October 2005
Romania340 Posts
October 23 2012 17:22 GMT
#1682
jessica you stupid fuckin cunt!

User was temp banned for this post.
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 17:26:47
October 23 2012 17:26 GMT
#1683
^^ sigh. Mayhap it is thread-closing time
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
October 23 2012 17:27 GMT
#1684
On October 24 2012 02:18 th3_great wrote:
well at least Boxer is aware of how destructive jessica is


I bet he calls her Baneling as a term of endearment. I would
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
Surkein
Profile Joined January 2012
35 Posts
October 23 2012 17:30 GMT
#1685
After reading the transcripts of the Crank vs Jessica/Boxer conversation, I honesty feel for the first time bad for someone and that is Crank. Hopefully he will be alright and can get a good team and find good things in his life.
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
October 23 2012 17:37 GMT
#1686

Point in case, Nestea and MVP were never salaried


Any source ? iirc, Nestea and MVP salary higher than others in IM team
@taefoxy
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
October 23 2012 17:43 GMT
#1687
On October 24 2012 02:22 PlainShane wrote:
I just do not think that I care much anymore. Let's get on with life. Jessica is drama. Good riddance she is gone from the scene.

Guys like MMA are the ones that need to go
lambac0re
Profile Joined August 2011
United States77 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 18:08:30
October 23 2012 17:48 GMT
#1688
On October 24 2012 02:37 foxj wrote:
Show nested quote +

Point in case, Nestea and MVP were never salaried


Any source ? iirc, Nestea and MVP salary higher than others in IM team

I had outdated info, Nestea and MVP are salaried for undisclosed amounts.
FREEloss_ca
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada603 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 17:55:10
October 23 2012 17:49 GMT
#1689
Jessica - sounds like a poor manager with good intentions, whom can't own up to her own mistakes and is a drama queen. I hope her career in e-sports is done forever. Her shortcomings as a manager led to the shortcomings of the players, in addition to MMA's attitude and the shady dealings of Manager Ryu, led to the demise of the team.

Crank - Depressed and immature; poor decisions led to his downfall. I almost feel sorry for him but hopefully he learns from this and grows up

MMA - Kinda comes off as an entitled prima donna. Being the best Terran in the world seemed to have went to his head. It's good to hear his side of things, as he gave some good insights as to how the players feel and were treated. The "Jessica caused boxer to quit" remark however, serves only to create more drama. He needs to cut his losses, stfu, and start winning again.

Boxer - Classy, tactful and professional through all of this. Love this guy.

Overall, it seems like poor communication, a lack of vulnerability-based trust, and a failure to recognize failures and shortcomings led to all this. They need someone more businesses-minded running teams like this. The players should never feel they can't go to their leaders with any concerns and feelings. In addition to this, it seems like the players were almost neglected to the point where everything boiled over.
"Starcraft...It just echos brilliance and manliness." - Tasteless
JimSocks
Profile Joined February 2009
United States968 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 17:51:21
October 23 2012 17:50 GMT
#1690
i hate to generalize, but my friends have confided me in their relationship with korean girls, and i've seen some stuff firsthand. shit can get scary at times. freaking, late night stalking in front of the house for hours with headlights on. i've had one of my boys girlfriends show up to my workplace multiple times asking me about him. they can get psychotic.
i can relate with what boxer is going through
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
October 23 2012 17:51 GMT
#1691
On October 24 2012 01:21 NCnotorious wrote:
lmao I think Jessica is like Yoko Ono...just breaks good groups up with their presense...

Seriously Boxer and Jessica invested a lot of money to get great infrastructure.. Then they get a practice ban and spoiled players like MMA blame her for everything (incl. The shady stuff he did with coach ryu) while not keeping their part of the deal. jessica even exempts them from payment of any money and pays them back and she also agrees to annul the contract if wanted. He misses to annul the contract and blames her for it.........

Sorry i dont think anyone with a right mind can excuse this kind of behavior.
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
October 23 2012 17:53 GMT
#1692
On October 24 2012 02:49 FREEloss_ca wrote:
Jessica - sounds like a poor manager with good intentions, whom can't own up to her own mistakes and is a drama queen. I hope her career in e-sports is done forever

Crank - Depressed and immature; poor decisions led to his downfall. I almost feel sorry for him but hopefully he learns from this and grows up

MMA - Kinda comes off as an entitled prima donna. Being the best Terran in the world seemed to have went to his head. It's good to hear his side of things, as he gave some good insights as to how the players feel. The "Jessica caused boxer to quit" remark however, serves only to create more drama. He needs to cut his losses, stfu, and start winning again.

Boxer - Classy, tactful and professional through all of this. Love this guy.

Overall, it seems like poor communication, a lack of vulnerability-based trust, and a failure to recognize failures and shortcomings led to all this. They need someone more businesses-minded running teams like this. The players should never feel they can't go to their leaders with any concerns and feelings. In addition to this, it seems like the players were almost neglected to the point where everything boiled over.

It needs to be stressed that jessica never had a esports career. She was an investor.
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
October 23 2012 17:54 GMT
#1693
It is a very long , story.

And I didnt really know who is at fault... and I am not really sure if my understanding of the whole thing is correct...

I just finished reading the phone script.

From BoxeR point of view,
He thought everything were fine, until suddenly MMA, Ryung & Alicia wanting to leave?
And then he is angry with Crank, being captain but did not notify BoxeR about anything...any happening..
Then wanting to leave. Citing injury, then after leaving, wanting to join Foreign team.
So BoxeR & Jessica is very upset.

But Crank justify, he did speak with Cella about this, try to salvage the situation with alot effort.

And BoxeR & Jessica baffled, and realised it all started when Manager J told MMA about his sponser being Forward to BoxeR. Which is actually a false? Since Manager J is the one handling all the sponsorship.. according to Jessica.

So , is my understanding correct?
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
October 23 2012 17:55 GMT
#1694
On October 24 2012 02:18 th3_great wrote:
well at least Boxer is aware of how destructive jessica is

Yes and he loves her despite or maybe because of it.. Who knows
lambac0re
Profile Joined August 2011
United States77 Posts
October 23 2012 17:57 GMT
#1695
On October 24 2012 02:54 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
It is a very long , story.

And I didnt really know who is at fault... and I am not really sure if my understanding of the whole thing is correct...

I just finished reading the phone script.

From BoxeR point of view,
He thought everything were fine, until suddenly MMA, Ryung & Alicia wanting to leave?
And then he is angry with Crank, being captain but did not notify BoxeR about anything...any happening..
Then wanting to leave. Citing injury, then after leaving, wanting to join Foreign team.
So BoxeR & Jessica is very upset.

But Crank justify, he did speak with Cella about this, try to salvage the situation with alot effort.

And BoxeR & Jessica baffled, and realised it all started when Manager J told MMA about his sponser being Forward to BoxeR. Which is actually a false? Since Manager J is the one handling all the sponsorship.. according to Jessica.

So , is my understanding correct?

Yes.
Wayne123
Profile Joined July 2011
88 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-23 17:59:40
October 23 2012 17:58 GMT
#1696
I don´t think that you can call 23/24 years old people "kids" to be honest. To my mind you are responsible for your own actions at this age. You aren´t a child who needs someone who gives you advice and leads you. A normal person should have enough experience and wisdom to do and decide things on his/her own at this age.

When I look at my mom and dad for example, with 24 they were already married for 4 years, working since they were 16 and they wanted kids of their own. I find it quite difficult to believe that they were still "kids" back then. I guess there are a lot more of these examples.

Maybe I don´t see the context here or the korean culture is different but to me, MMA and Crank aren´t "kids" anymore. They are grown up adults.
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
October 23 2012 18:04 GMT
#1697
You guys fail to realise jess and boxer just failed 100k on this haha
that's something to be upset about
Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
October 23 2012 18:06 GMT
#1698
Choi: Whenever I talk to Jessica, the MMA problem comes up then I lose the confidence to talk.
Boxer: You have to endure that.
Choi: If I endure that this one time will this all end?
Boxer: Yeah, try it. This is a fight to the death. Do you not know her style?

What is this "fight to the death" bs? Isn't the smarter person supposed to let go first? Stubbornness is a b*tch.
Train like an animal, eat like a horse, sleep like a baby, grow like a weed.
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
October 23 2012 18:06 GMT
#1699
so its all manager J fault ....
yo
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
October 23 2012 18:06 GMT
#1700
On October 24 2012 02:48 lambac0re wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2012 02:37 foxj wrote:

Point in case, Nestea and MVP were never salaried


Any source ? iirc, Nestea and MVP salary higher than others in IM team

Here you go. NO SALARY for Nestea or MVP - Skip to 44:30.

First of all, we will now pay players every year. This is a little "gift" to all the players who stayed and played with IM. Especially, NesTea and MVP will receive top-tier salary. In addition to this, all traveling fees as well as basic fundamental fees will be covered.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332384
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