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On October 24 2012 16:40 JAWS_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 16:36 S_SienZ wrote:On October 24 2012 16:35 JAWS_ wrote:On October 24 2012 16:28 S_SienZ wrote:On October 24 2012 16:26 JAWS_ wrote:On October 24 2012 16:22 Shival wrote:On October 24 2012 16:20 JAWS_ wrote:On October 24 2012 16:16 Xiaopewpew wrote:On October 24 2012 16:08 JAWS_ wrote:
And you can understand them calling him a Cancer and talked bad things of him from behind to other players?
MMA didn't fucked up the atmosphere, he used to get along with every player and still does.
And all the players are on MMA side, the ones that stated something at least, so instead of being logical and see that Jessica might have been the Drama queen we all know she is toward them we just belive all of them are MMA thugs? Just cause we all love Boxer? Even Boxer left the ship cause he could not handle his fiance Drama anymore (this stated by MMA), why is this so hard to belive? By all the players you mean Crank and MMA? intesting that Slayers only has a roster of 2 players. Didnt know that before. Also Alicia on his interviews and as far as I know it Ryung is still close friends with MMA. Not sure how much value we should put on Alicia's interview. He was proven a liar in that one. edit: ninjaed Yes but in any time Cella said MMA was the reason for atmosphere or any kind of shit, just so people can understand, I'm not backing up Crank in here, the fact I'm addressing is the statement that the guy was a Cancer to the team. I'm not even going to answer the one dude that said about the Nazis, totally different comparisson, We are talking about an internal issue here were we have a lot of people being bashed by only one. And now lets try be logical again, at least you have other people backing each other. If MMA was indeed a cancer and was the one to blame as Jessica said why didn't any other Slayer player came to talk on her behalf? Why didn't any other coach? Even Cella All you have is a public figure veteran that was dealing with adults (they are not child) but totally unexperianced with such public image recording phone calls and saving e-mail that would back up her in the future, but that stil doesn't backup the whole story. Cella was sitting right next to Jessica at the press conference when she leaked the tape. Pretty sure he is on her side. She is still his Boss and the fact that he is there doesn't mean jack shit if he doesn't make a statement. He actually did answer some reporter's questions, can't remember bout what exactly, but he definitely confirmed that Crank asked him to keep a secret bout leaving I believe.
Same mistake as i did, his answer is in the spoilers. Maybe it was not my fault at all. *fingers crossed*
PS: Shotgun sucks, after playing Ghost Recon Online, you seriously just need a shield.
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On October 24 2012 16:42 JAWS_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 16:37 Shival wrote:On October 24 2012 16:35 JAWS_ wrote:On October 24 2012 16:28 S_SienZ wrote:On October 24 2012 16:26 JAWS_ wrote:On October 24 2012 16:22 Shival wrote:On October 24 2012 16:20 JAWS_ wrote:On October 24 2012 16:16 Xiaopewpew wrote:On October 24 2012 16:08 JAWS_ wrote:
And you can understand them calling him a Cancer and talked bad things of him from behind to other players?
MMA didn't fucked up the atmosphere, he used to get along with every player and still does.
And all the players are on MMA side, the ones that stated something at least, so instead of being logical and see that Jessica might have been the Drama queen we all know she is toward them we just belive all of them are MMA thugs? Just cause we all love Boxer? Even Boxer left the ship cause he could not handle his fiance Drama anymore (this stated by MMA), why is this so hard to belive? By all the players you mean Crank and MMA? intesting that Slayers only has a roster of 2 players. Didnt know that before. Also Alicia on his interviews and as far as I know it Ryung is still close friends with MMA. Not sure how much value we should put on Alicia's interview. He was proven a liar in that one. edit: ninjaed And now lets try be logical again, at least you have other people backing each other. If MMA was indeed a cancer and was the one to blame as Jessica said why didn't any other Slayer player came to talk on her behalf? Why didn't any other coach? Even Cella All you have is a public figure veteran that was dealing with adults (they are not child) but totally unexperianced with such public image recording phone calls and saving e-mail that would back up her in the future, but that stil doesn't backup the whole story. Cella was sitting right next to Jessica at the press conference when she leaked the tape. Pretty sure he is on her side. She is still his Boss and the fact that he is there doesn't mean jack shit if he doesn't make a statement. He made his statement through twitter... Seriously, if you don't know all the facts don't bother responding. I did knew all these facts, I was even thinking there was indeed a press conference about it and was addressing to that. Look at my post above where I clarify this situation.
Alright then.
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On October 24 2012 16:40 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 16:03 Xiaopewpew wrote:On October 24 2012 15:56 JAWS_ wrote:
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris
@Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it.
Another fact, is came from her mail.
What amazes me the most is people still bashing MMA, Would you really expect him to react in what way after all this shit? He sia din his interview that other players went to himt elling the stuff the management (Maybe Jessica/Boxer) were saying to him, talking bad things of him just cause he questioned something he had every right to do it after seeing this Razor tweets. God I lover Boxer but even being my idol if the guy called me a Cancer I would say something like MMA did too, can you guys really blame him? Jawy ! nobody is bashing MMA in these pages.... T.T why cant you get it T.T this is too hard !!! T.T we are just discussing if Jessica is innocent in the sponsorship thing T.T On the other hand, it is clear now that both Jessica and MMA's accounts are true regarding the sponsorship thing. MMA believed manager J and later acted like a dxxx while Jessica was really hurt and saw MMA misbehaving and accused him of damaging the house's atmosphere. A huge misunderstanding. Now im bashing MMA a little ! I would say it is very weird that he trusted someone he knew for only a few months instead of trusting Boxer and Jessica who brought him to the esports scene and took care of him for so long. I can understand how hurt Boxer and Jessica must be. The irony is, Jessica was the one that trusted manager J in the first place after meeting him for a few months, and gave him access to everything (seriously, even you email?). And you blame MMA for that? lol
Jessica did not know. And she apologized for mistrusting this guy already.
But for MMA, it is Boxer/Jessica's words against J's words. It is different. And from his interview, you can infer that even now he is still J's whore. I feel this may be something to blame.
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On October 24 2012 16:42 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 16:40 Fubi wrote:On October 24 2012 16:03 Xiaopewpew wrote:On October 24 2012 15:56 JAWS_ wrote:
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris
@Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it.
Another fact, is came from her mail.
What amazes me the most is people still bashing MMA, Would you really expect him to react in what way after all this shit? He sia din his interview that other players went to himt elling the stuff the management (Maybe Jessica/Boxer) were saying to him, talking bad things of him just cause he questioned something he had every right to do it after seeing this Razor tweets. God I lover Boxer but even being my idol if the guy called me a Cancer I would say something like MMA did too, can you guys really blame him? Jawy ! nobody is bashing MMA in these pages.... T.T why cant you get it T.T this is too hard !!! T.T we are just discussing if Jessica is innocent in the sponsorship thing T.T On the other hand, it is clear now that both Jessica and MMA's accounts are true regarding the sponsorship thing. MMA believed manager J and later acted like a dxxx while Jessica was really hurt and saw MMA misbehaving and accused him of damaging the house's atmosphere. A huge misunderstanding. Now im bashing MMA a little ! I would say it is very weird that he trusted someone he knew for only a few months instead of trusting Boxer and Jessica who brought him to the esports scene and took care of him for so long. I can understand how hurt Boxer and Jessica must be. The irony is, Jessica was the one that trusted manager J in the first place after meeting him for a few months, and gave him access to everything (seriously, even you email?). And you blame MMA for that? lol To be fair, Manager J had quite the resume and had been involved in various aspects of eSports for a long time. Which is not meant to be an excuse for her ... she probably shouldn't have been so trusting, and neither should MMA. Keep in mind that J also had more experience managing a team than Jessica, and that may have been a factor in MMA trusting J more re: sponsorship.
Right, so I'm saying, if people are faulting MMA for trusting manager J, Jessica would be in a bigger blame in the first place, especially as a owner/manager of the whole team.
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On October 24 2012 16:45 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 16:42 babylon wrote:On October 24 2012 16:40 Fubi wrote:On October 24 2012 16:03 Xiaopewpew wrote:On October 24 2012 15:56 JAWS_ wrote:
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris
@Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it.
Another fact, is came from her mail.
What amazes me the most is people still bashing MMA, Would you really expect him to react in what way after all this shit? He sia din his interview that other players went to himt elling the stuff the management (Maybe Jessica/Boxer) were saying to him, talking bad things of him just cause he questioned something he had every right to do it after seeing this Razor tweets. God I lover Boxer but even being my idol if the guy called me a Cancer I would say something like MMA did too, can you guys really blame him? Jawy ! nobody is bashing MMA in these pages.... T.T why cant you get it T.T this is too hard !!! T.T we are just discussing if Jessica is innocent in the sponsorship thing T.T On the other hand, it is clear now that both Jessica and MMA's accounts are true regarding the sponsorship thing. MMA believed manager J and later acted like a dxxx while Jessica was really hurt and saw MMA misbehaving and accused him of damaging the house's atmosphere. A huge misunderstanding. Now im bashing MMA a little ! I would say it is very weird that he trusted someone he knew for only a few months instead of trusting Boxer and Jessica who brought him to the esports scene and took care of him for so long. I can understand how hurt Boxer and Jessica must be. The irony is, Jessica was the one that trusted manager J in the first place after meeting him for a few months, and gave him access to everything (seriously, even you email?). And you blame MMA for that? lol To be fair, Manager J had quite the resume and had been involved in various aspects of eSports for a long time. Which is not meant to be an excuse for her ... she probably shouldn't have been so trusting, and neither should MMA. Keep in mind that J also had more experience managing a team than Jessica, and that may have been a factor in MMA trusting J more re: sponsorship. Right, so I'm saying, if people are faulting MMA for trusting manager J, Jessica would be in a bigger blame in the first place, especially as a owner/manager of the whole team.
Are they though?
At least from my perspective, i don't blame MMA for trusting Mr J. I don't think he handled everything like he should, but blaming him for trusting the wrong person would be stupid.
Edit: so far, im blaming no one anymore, except Manager J maybe. All did mistakes, that includes CranK, MMA, Jessica, even BoxeR and the rest. It's getting to the point where the first upset calms down and makes place for sadness that SlayerS is gone.
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Anyone has a reasoning as to why Mr J. figured it was a good idea to blow up Slayers? What does he have to gain from it? Has he been paid by someone to blow up Slayers?
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On October 24 2012 16:45 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 16:42 babylon wrote:On October 24 2012 16:40 Fubi wrote:On October 24 2012 16:03 Xiaopewpew wrote:On October 24 2012 15:56 JAWS_ wrote:
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris
@Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it.
Another fact, is came from her mail.
What amazes me the most is people still bashing MMA, Would you really expect him to react in what way after all this shit? He sia din his interview that other players went to himt elling the stuff the management (Maybe Jessica/Boxer) were saying to him, talking bad things of him just cause he questioned something he had every right to do it after seeing this Razor tweets. God I lover Boxer but even being my idol if the guy called me a Cancer I would say something like MMA did too, can you guys really blame him? Jawy ! nobody is bashing MMA in these pages.... T.T why cant you get it T.T this is too hard !!! T.T we are just discussing if Jessica is innocent in the sponsorship thing T.T On the other hand, it is clear now that both Jessica and MMA's accounts are true regarding the sponsorship thing. MMA believed manager J and later acted like a dxxx while Jessica was really hurt and saw MMA misbehaving and accused him of damaging the house's atmosphere. A huge misunderstanding. Now im bashing MMA a little ! I would say it is very weird that he trusted someone he knew for only a few months instead of trusting Boxer and Jessica who brought him to the esports scene and took care of him for so long. I can understand how hurt Boxer and Jessica must be. The irony is, Jessica was the one that trusted manager J in the first place after meeting him for a few months, and gave him access to everything (seriously, even you email?). And you blame MMA for that? lol To be fair, Manager J had quite the resume and had been involved in various aspects of eSports for a long time. Which is not meant to be an excuse for her ... she probably shouldn't have been so trusting, and neither should MMA. Keep in mind that J also had more experience managing a team than Jessica, and that may have been a factor in MMA trusting J more re: sponsorship. Right, so I'm saying, if people are faulting MMA for trusting manager J, Jessica would be in a bigger blame in the first place, especially as a owner/manager of the whole team.
And also we do not know for sure but the guy had access to everything, even her e-mail account.
Why can't MMA belive in the guy? The one to peek into Jessica's mail, the one that she trusted that much?
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On October 24 2012 16:47 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 16:45 Fubi wrote:On October 24 2012 16:42 babylon wrote:On October 24 2012 16:40 Fubi wrote:On October 24 2012 16:03 Xiaopewpew wrote:On October 24 2012 15:56 JAWS_ wrote:
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris
@Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it.
Another fact, is came from her mail.
What amazes me the most is people still bashing MMA, Would you really expect him to react in what way after all this shit? He sia din his interview that other players went to himt elling the stuff the management (Maybe Jessica/Boxer) were saying to him, talking bad things of him just cause he questioned something he had every right to do it after seeing this Razor tweets. God I lover Boxer but even being my idol if the guy called me a Cancer I would say something like MMA did too, can you guys really blame him? Jawy ! nobody is bashing MMA in these pages.... T.T why cant you get it T.T this is too hard !!! T.T we are just discussing if Jessica is innocent in the sponsorship thing T.T On the other hand, it is clear now that both Jessica and MMA's accounts are true regarding the sponsorship thing. MMA believed manager J and later acted like a dxxx while Jessica was really hurt and saw MMA misbehaving and accused him of damaging the house's atmosphere. A huge misunderstanding. Now im bashing MMA a little ! I would say it is very weird that he trusted someone he knew for only a few months instead of trusting Boxer and Jessica who brought him to the esports scene and took care of him for so long. I can understand how hurt Boxer and Jessica must be. The irony is, Jessica was the one that trusted manager J in the first place after meeting him for a few months, and gave him access to everything (seriously, even you email?). And you blame MMA for that? lol To be fair, Manager J had quite the resume and had been involved in various aspects of eSports for a long time. Which is not meant to be an excuse for her ... she probably shouldn't have been so trusting, and neither should MMA. Keep in mind that J also had more experience managing a team than Jessica, and that may have been a factor in MMA trusting J more re: sponsorship. Right, so I'm saying, if people are faulting MMA for trusting manager J, Jessica would be in a bigger blame in the first place, especially as a owner/manager of the whole team. Are they though? At least from my perspective, i don't blame MMA for trusting Mr J. I don't think he handled everything like he should, but blaming him for trusting the wrong person would be stupid.
So it is actually ok to turn your back against someone who took care of you for 2 years.
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On October 24 2012 16:47 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 16:45 Fubi wrote:On October 24 2012 16:42 babylon wrote:On October 24 2012 16:40 Fubi wrote:On October 24 2012 16:03 Xiaopewpew wrote:On October 24 2012 15:56 JAWS_ wrote:
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris
@Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it.
Another fact, is came from her mail.
What amazes me the most is people still bashing MMA, Would you really expect him to react in what way after all this shit? He sia din his interview that other players went to himt elling the stuff the management (Maybe Jessica/Boxer) were saying to him, talking bad things of him just cause he questioned something he had every right to do it after seeing this Razor tweets. God I lover Boxer but even being my idol if the guy called me a Cancer I would say something like MMA did too, can you guys really blame him? Jawy ! nobody is bashing MMA in these pages.... T.T why cant you get it T.T this is too hard !!! T.T we are just discussing if Jessica is innocent in the sponsorship thing T.T On the other hand, it is clear now that both Jessica and MMA's accounts are true regarding the sponsorship thing. MMA believed manager J and later acted like a dxxx while Jessica was really hurt and saw MMA misbehaving and accused him of damaging the house's atmosphere. A huge misunderstanding. Now im bashing MMA a little ! I would say it is very weird that he trusted someone he knew for only a few months instead of trusting Boxer and Jessica who brought him to the esports scene and took care of him for so long. I can understand how hurt Boxer and Jessica must be. The irony is, Jessica was the one that trusted manager J in the first place after meeting him for a few months, and gave him access to everything (seriously, even you email?). And you blame MMA for that? lol To be fair, Manager J had quite the resume and had been involved in various aspects of eSports for a long time. Which is not meant to be an excuse for her ... she probably shouldn't have been so trusting, and neither should MMA. Keep in mind that J also had more experience managing a team than Jessica, and that may have been a factor in MMA trusting J more re: sponsorship. Right, so I'm saying, if people are faulting MMA for trusting manager J, Jessica would be in a bigger blame in the first place, especially as a owner/manager of the whole team. Are they though? At least from my perspective, i don't blame MMA for trusting Mr J. I don't think he handled everything like he should, but blaming him for trusting the wrong person would be stupid.
MMA is gathering quite the reputation in KR for being gullible and immature. I can see the immature given how he danced around the issue so much, but gullible is ... well, if he's gullible, then Jessica is gullible as well.
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On October 24 2012 16:48 Shival wrote:
Anyone has a reasoning as to why Mr J. figured it was a good idea to blow up Slayers? What does he have to gain from it? Has he been paid by someone to blow up Slayers?
Jessica said in the interview that J wanted to start his own team and he invited MMA and someone else? memory is vague.
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On October 24 2012 16:48 Shival wrote:
Anyone has a reasoning as to why Mr J. figured it was a good idea to blow up Slayers? What does he have to gain from it? Has he been paid by someone to blow up Slayers?
probably wanted to get MMA out of Slayers and be his manager
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On October 24 2012 16:45 Xiaopewpew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 16:40 Fubi wrote:On October 24 2012 16:03 Xiaopewpew wrote:On October 24 2012 15:56 JAWS_ wrote:
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris
@Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it.
Another fact, is came from her mail.
What amazes me the most is people still bashing MMA, Would you really expect him to react in what way after all this shit? He sia din his interview that other players went to himt elling the stuff the management (Maybe Jessica/Boxer) were saying to him, talking bad things of him just cause he questioned something he had every right to do it after seeing this Razor tweets. God I lover Boxer but even being my idol if the guy called me a Cancer I would say something like MMA did too, can you guys really blame him? Jawy ! nobody is bashing MMA in these pages.... T.T why cant you get it T.T this is too hard !!! T.T we are just discussing if Jessica is innocent in the sponsorship thing T.T On the other hand, it is clear now that both Jessica and MMA's accounts are true regarding the sponsorship thing. MMA believed manager J and later acted like a dxxx while Jessica was really hurt and saw MMA misbehaving and accused him of damaging the house's atmosphere. A huge misunderstanding. Now im bashing MMA a little ! I would say it is very weird that he trusted someone he knew for only a few months instead of trusting Boxer and Jessica who brought him to the esports scene and took care of him for so long. I can understand how hurt Boxer and Jessica must be. The irony is, Jessica was the one that trusted manager J in the first place after meeting him for a few months, and gave him access to everything (seriously, even you email?). And you blame MMA for that? lol Jessica did not know. And she apologized for mistrusting this guy already. But for MMA, it is Boxer/Jessica's words against J's words. It is different. And from his interview, you can infer that even now he is still J's whore. I feel this maybe something to blame.
From MMA's perspective, he was told that he had a personal sponsorship (FACT), and it got rejected (FACT). He went up to Boxer/Jessica to ask about it, they said no and started talking shit and started to treat him like a "cancer". He also wanted to leave the team to join a foreign team, and found one, but then Jessica requested a huge transfer fee, which caused the transfer to be cancelled.
How can you fault someone for that?
The way I see it is
1) Jessica really did do everything claimed so therefore it's not MMA's fault
or
2) Manager J was behind the whole thing, and MMA trusted him wrongly, but then Jessica would of been blamed as well for trusting Manager J (which literally is the initial cause of this whole shit storm)
So either way, I don't see how you can really fault MMA for this. Again, I'm not saying it is really Jessica's fault here, I'm just saying in most scenarios, I really see MMA as just the innocent victim here more than anything.
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Ah right, remember I read something along those lines. Such a silly thing though, thinking you can pull that off without any backlash.
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The whole point I'm debating here is not even the manage J thing, is the statement that Jessica made that the guy was the one to blame for the player issues.
Cmon, we saw Coach Won being attacked by the eSF thing and then you see ACE coming out to his rescue even though he was wrong, that show that besides his mistakes he was a good coach.
And all you see from Jessica from her ex players is how bad it was to deal with her and complaints and more complaints, you guys just have to put the pieces together to see this.
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On October 24 2012 16:49 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 16:47 m4inbrain wrote:On October 24 2012 16:45 Fubi wrote:On October 24 2012 16:42 babylon wrote:On October 24 2012 16:40 Fubi wrote:On October 24 2012 16:03 Xiaopewpew wrote:On October 24 2012 15:56 JAWS_ wrote:
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris
@Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it.
Another fact, is came from her mail.
What amazes me the most is people still bashing MMA, Would you really expect him to react in what way after all this shit? He sia din his interview that other players went to himt elling the stuff the management (Maybe Jessica/Boxer) were saying to him, talking bad things of him just cause he questioned something he had every right to do it after seeing this Razor tweets. God I lover Boxer but even being my idol if the guy called me a Cancer I would say something like MMA did too, can you guys really blame him? Jawy ! nobody is bashing MMA in these pages.... T.T why cant you get it T.T this is too hard !!! T.T we are just discussing if Jessica is innocent in the sponsorship thing T.T On the other hand, it is clear now that both Jessica and MMA's accounts are true regarding the sponsorship thing. MMA believed manager J and later acted like a dxxx while Jessica was really hurt and saw MMA misbehaving and accused him of damaging the house's atmosphere. A huge misunderstanding. Now im bashing MMA a little ! I would say it is very weird that he trusted someone he knew for only a few months instead of trusting Boxer and Jessica who brought him to the esports scene and took care of him for so long. I can understand how hurt Boxer and Jessica must be. The irony is, Jessica was the one that trusted manager J in the first place after meeting him for a few months, and gave him access to everything (seriously, even you email?). And you blame MMA for that? lol To be fair, Manager J had quite the resume and had been involved in various aspects of eSports for a long time. Which is not meant to be an excuse for her ... she probably shouldn't have been so trusting, and neither should MMA. Keep in mind that J also had more experience managing a team than Jessica, and that may have been a factor in MMA trusting J more re: sponsorship. Right, so I'm saying, if people are faulting MMA for trusting manager J, Jessica would be in a bigger blame in the first place, especially as a owner/manager of the whole team. Are they though? At least from my perspective, i don't blame MMA for trusting Mr J. I don't think he handled everything like he should, but blaming him for trusting the wrong person would be stupid. MMA is gathering quite the reputation in KR for being gullible and immature. I can see the immature given how he danced around the issue so much, but gullible is ... well, if he's gullible, then Jessica is gullible as well.
Well immature, i would agree. Gullible? Yeah of course. And yeah, the same goes of course for Jessica, how could anyone deny that? That's not a crime though, neither from Jessica nor from MMA. Also i would call it "naive" and not gullible.
So it is actually ok to turn your back against someone who took care of you for 2 years.
Under the right circumstances, i guess so. If you just think the circumstances are right, but in reality they're not, you did a mistake. Maybe a big one. But to say "you can't turn your back on them because they took care of you" is wrong.
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On October 24 2012 16:49 Xiaopewpew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 16:47 m4inbrain wrote:On October 24 2012 16:45 Fubi wrote:On October 24 2012 16:42 babylon wrote:On October 24 2012 16:40 Fubi wrote:On October 24 2012 16:03 Xiaopewpew wrote:On October 24 2012 15:56 JAWS_ wrote:
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris
@Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it.
Another fact, is came from her mail.
What amazes me the most is people still bashing MMA, Would you really expect him to react in what way after all this shit? He sia din his interview that other players went to himt elling the stuff the management (Maybe Jessica/Boxer) were saying to him, talking bad things of him just cause he questioned something he had every right to do it after seeing this Razor tweets. God I lover Boxer but even being my idol if the guy called me a Cancer I would say something like MMA did too, can you guys really blame him? Jawy ! nobody is bashing MMA in these pages.... T.T why cant you get it T.T this is too hard !!! T.T we are just discussing if Jessica is innocent in the sponsorship thing T.T On the other hand, it is clear now that both Jessica and MMA's accounts are true regarding the sponsorship thing. MMA believed manager J and later acted like a dxxx while Jessica was really hurt and saw MMA misbehaving and accused him of damaging the house's atmosphere. A huge misunderstanding. Now im bashing MMA a little ! I would say it is very weird that he trusted someone he knew for only a few months instead of trusting Boxer and Jessica who brought him to the esports scene and took care of him for so long. I can understand how hurt Boxer and Jessica must be. The irony is, Jessica was the one that trusted manager J in the first place after meeting him for a few months, and gave him access to everything (seriously, even you email?). And you blame MMA for that? lol To be fair, Manager J had quite the resume and had been involved in various aspects of eSports for a long time. Which is not meant to be an excuse for her ... she probably shouldn't have been so trusting, and neither should MMA. Keep in mind that J also had more experience managing a team than Jessica, and that may have been a factor in MMA trusting J more re: sponsorship. Right, so I'm saying, if people are faulting MMA for trusting manager J, Jessica would be in a bigger blame in the first place, especially as a owner/manager of the whole team. Are they though? At least from my perspective, i don't blame MMA for trusting Mr J. I don't think he handled everything like he should, but blaming him for trusting the wrong person would be stupid. So it is actually ok to turn your back against someone who took care of you for 2 years.
yes mma should have trust boxer and jessica not one random guy who was here for 2 months
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On October 24 2012 16:52 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 16:45 Xiaopewpew wrote:On October 24 2012 16:40 Fubi wrote:On October 24 2012 16:03 Xiaopewpew wrote:On October 24 2012 15:56 JAWS_ wrote:
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris
@Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it.
Another fact, is came from her mail.
What amazes me the most is people still bashing MMA, Would you really expect him to react in what way after all this shit? He sia din his interview that other players went to himt elling the stuff the management (Maybe Jessica/Boxer) were saying to him, talking bad things of him just cause he questioned something he had every right to do it after seeing this Razor tweets. God I lover Boxer but even being my idol if the guy called me a Cancer I would say something like MMA did too, can you guys really blame him? Jawy ! nobody is bashing MMA in these pages.... T.T why cant you get it T.T this is too hard !!! T.T we are just discussing if Jessica is innocent in the sponsorship thing T.T On the other hand, it is clear now that both Jessica and MMA's accounts are true regarding the sponsorship thing. MMA believed manager J and later acted like a dxxx while Jessica was really hurt and saw MMA misbehaving and accused him of damaging the house's atmosphere. A huge misunderstanding. Now im bashing MMA a little ! I would say it is very weird that he trusted someone he knew for only a few months instead of trusting Boxer and Jessica who brought him to the esports scene and took care of him for so long. I can understand how hurt Boxer and Jessica must be. The irony is, Jessica was the one that trusted manager J in the first place after meeting him for a few months, and gave him access to everything (seriously, even you email?). And you blame MMA for that? lol Jessica did not know. And she apologized for mistrusting this guy already. But for MMA, it is Boxer/Jessica's words against J's words. It is different. And from his interview, you can infer that even now he is still J's whore. I feel this maybe something to blame. From MMA's perspective, he was told that he had a personal sponsorship (FACT), and it got rejected (FACT). He went up to Boxer/Jessica to ask about it, they said no and started talking shit and started to treat him like a "cancer". He also wanted to leave the team to join a foreign team, and found one, but then Jessica requested a huge transfer fee, which caused the transfer to be cancelled. How can you fault someone for that? The way I see it is 1) Jessica really did do everything claimed so therefore it's not MMA's fault or 2) Manager J was behind the whole thing, and MMA trusted him wrongly, but then Jessica would of been blamed as well for trusting Manager J (which literally is the initial cause of this whole shit storm) So either way, I don't see how you can really fault MMA for this. Again, I'm not saying it is really Jessica's fault here, I'm just saying in most scenarios, I really see MMA as just the innocent victim here more than anything.
THANK YOU.
This sums everything I was trying to say, I'm out of here.
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On October 24 2012 16:49 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 16:47 m4inbrain wrote:On October 24 2012 16:45 Fubi wrote:On October 24 2012 16:42 babylon wrote:On October 24 2012 16:40 Fubi wrote:On October 24 2012 16:03 Xiaopewpew wrote:On October 24 2012 15:56 JAWS_ wrote:
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris
@Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it.
Another fact, is came from her mail.
What amazes me the most is people still bashing MMA, Would you really expect him to react in what way after all this shit? He sia din his interview that other players went to himt elling the stuff the management (Maybe Jessica/Boxer) were saying to him, talking bad things of him just cause he questioned something he had every right to do it after seeing this Razor tweets. God I lover Boxer but even being my idol if the guy called me a Cancer I would say something like MMA did too, can you guys really blame him? Jawy ! nobody is bashing MMA in these pages.... T.T why cant you get it T.T this is too hard !!! T.T we are just discussing if Jessica is innocent in the sponsorship thing T.T On the other hand, it is clear now that both Jessica and MMA's accounts are true regarding the sponsorship thing. MMA believed manager J and later acted like a dxxx while Jessica was really hurt and saw MMA misbehaving and accused him of damaging the house's atmosphere. A huge misunderstanding. Now im bashing MMA a little ! I would say it is very weird that he trusted someone he knew for only a few months instead of trusting Boxer and Jessica who brought him to the esports scene and took care of him for so long. I can understand how hurt Boxer and Jessica must be. The irony is, Jessica was the one that trusted manager J in the first place after meeting him for a few months, and gave him access to everything (seriously, even you email?). And you blame MMA for that? lol To be fair, Manager J had quite the resume and had been involved in various aspects of eSports for a long time. Which is not meant to be an excuse for her ... she probably shouldn't have been so trusting, and neither should MMA. Keep in mind that J also had more experience managing a team than Jessica, and that may have been a factor in MMA trusting J more re: sponsorship. Right, so I'm saying, if people are faulting MMA for trusting manager J, Jessica would be in a bigger blame in the first place, especially as a owner/manager of the whole team. Are they though? At least from my perspective, i don't blame MMA for trusting Mr J. I don't think he handled everything like he should, but blaming him for trusting the wrong person would be stupid. MMA is gathering quite the reputation in KR for being gullible and immature. I can see the immature given how he danced around the issue so much, but gullible is ... well, if he's gullible, then Jessica is gullible as well.
maybe, but eventually she saw through him and got rid of him before he could do more damage. MMA unfortunately didn't
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On October 24 2012 16:52 GungraveHero2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 16:49 Xiaopewpew wrote:On October 24 2012 16:47 m4inbrain wrote:On October 24 2012 16:45 Fubi wrote:On October 24 2012 16:42 babylon wrote:On October 24 2012 16:40 Fubi wrote:On October 24 2012 16:03 Xiaopewpew wrote:On October 24 2012 15:56 JAWS_ wrote:
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris
@Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it.
Another fact, is came from her mail.
What amazes me the most is people still bashing MMA, Would you really expect him to react in what way after all this shit? He sia din his interview that other players went to himt elling the stuff the management (Maybe Jessica/Boxer) were saying to him, talking bad things of him just cause he questioned something he had every right to do it after seeing this Razor tweets. God I lover Boxer but even being my idol if the guy called me a Cancer I would say something like MMA did too, can you guys really blame him? Jawy ! nobody is bashing MMA in these pages.... T.T why cant you get it T.T this is too hard !!! T.T we are just discussing if Jessica is innocent in the sponsorship thing T.T On the other hand, it is clear now that both Jessica and MMA's accounts are true regarding the sponsorship thing. MMA believed manager J and later acted like a dxxx while Jessica was really hurt and saw MMA misbehaving and accused him of damaging the house's atmosphere. A huge misunderstanding. Now im bashing MMA a little ! I would say it is very weird that he trusted someone he knew for only a few months instead of trusting Boxer and Jessica who brought him to the esports scene and took care of him for so long. I can understand how hurt Boxer and Jessica must be. The irony is, Jessica was the one that trusted manager J in the first place after meeting him for a few months, and gave him access to everything (seriously, even you email?). And you blame MMA for that? lol To be fair, Manager J had quite the resume and had been involved in various aspects of eSports for a long time. Which is not meant to be an excuse for her ... she probably shouldn't have been so trusting, and neither should MMA. Keep in mind that J also had more experience managing a team than Jessica, and that may have been a factor in MMA trusting J more re: sponsorship. Right, so I'm saying, if people are faulting MMA for trusting manager J, Jessica would be in a bigger blame in the first place, especially as a owner/manager of the whole team. Are they though? At least from my perspective, i don't blame MMA for trusting Mr J. I don't think he handled everything like he should, but blaming him for trusting the wrong person would be stupid. So it is actually ok to turn your back against someone who took care of you for 2 years. yes mma should have trust boxer and jessica not one random guy who was here for 2 months
Lol, this Asian mentality.
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On October 24 2012 16:52 JAWS_ wrote:
The whole point I'm debating here is not even the manage J thing, is the statement that Jessica made that the guy was the one to blame for the player issues.
Cmon, we saw Coach Won being attacked by the eSF thing and then you see ACE coming out to his rescue even though he was wrong, that show that besides his mistakes he was a good coach.
And all you see from Jessica from her ex players is how bad it was to deal with her and complaints and more complaints, you guys just have to put the pieces together to see this.
I think you'll just have to wait for the 4th of November to see how the remaining team reacts to Jessica.
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