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On October 18 2012 08:55 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:52 bucckevin wrote:On October 18 2012 08:28 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 08:27 Waxangel wrote:Jessica's reply to Alicia's interview D: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=4190968Alicia doing that kind of interview, hah... I didn't congratulate you when you took second place twice? Someone search my twitter between June 11th~14th, and July 13th~15th and post what I wrote to Alicia. I congratulated him on Twitter, and cheered him up as well, but I didn't get a response from him, so I tried to send him a message via IM asking why he didn't reply, only to hear that he was too busy. Yeah... I guess I interfered too heavily by making sure he always had two boxes of things to eat, even sending rice and a rice cooker because I was worried about how he would deal with food in the USA. I focused only on the Team League? I focused too much on the TeamLeague where all the money goes back to the players? Why would I focus only on the TeamLeague, where there's nothing in it for me. I guess you were e a player who wasn't on a team? Now that I think about, Alicia was too busy asking 'where's my cell phone charger' and looking around after coming back from NASL, to listen to what I had to say about our GSTL preparations. You didn't like that I was fighting other people? The first time we got into trouble with the eSF was because I could get you into NASL3 where you took second place [ Translator's note: BURN] and I told you that much. Still you haven't said sorry, now I remember. Not even caring why I was fighting, trying to make it out that I was doing something wrong. I was still your head coach and team owner...... You had to pay for your own bus trips to the studio after we moved the team house to Gimpo? That's true. But was it always that way? I didn't take you to the studio? So I'm supposed to stop working and take you to the studio? If I couldn't go because of my own schedule, then Cella always went with you, and I gave him a separate check-card for that. They used the Taxi, Bus, and Subway together. Why did I make him take the bus? Because he was losing discipline. And I made sure you knew that. But you talk about it like you had to take a bus for a few hours from some backwater. When the weather was bad, I went to bring you back to the team house a lot of times... But you only take about what was uncomfortable for yo. That's why I decided Alicia doesn't have a professional mindset. You need to stop lying. Before what you really did wrong comes to light.... Please add to OP. LOL Damn Jessica really owned him. Now I really really want to know what Alicia did to get sued by Jessica. Call me old fashioned, but tweets are not very much >.>
They're not. But some people take them like it's the Bible. Many times I don't see a tweet because I don't use Twitter much, or just don't get the notification.
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On October 18 2012 08:59 wildstyle1337 wrote:What ? One team disband because bad management, Destiny trolling like always and ppl think it is end of sc2 funny
Did you even read what happened?
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On October 18 2012 08:52 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:47 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 18 2012 08:43 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 08:39 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 18 2012 08:09 zestzorb wrote:On October 18 2012 08:06 Kokujin wrote:Jessica actually did tweet at Alicia during his NASL finals, checking up on him to tell him to eat well, good luck and encourage him to keep focus. -from twitter + Show Spoiler +@SlayerSAlicia 상준이도 잘챙기고...액땜 햇다치고...너랑 상준이 없이.. 우린 경기.승리하고 누나도 눈물나게 좋구나. 좋은 결과 가지고 돌아와..
@SlayerSAlicia 양니.. 밥은 챙겨먹엇냐..멘탈관리나 잘해. 어그러진 상황에 열받지말고 가서 경기 할거 생각하고 마인드 컨트롤 하도록... Grabs @ SlayerSAlicia sangjun well ... good luck beating haetda ... without you. Sangjun .. We match win and sister Gee's nice. Good results have come back ... @ SlayerSAlicia yangni Mental management, eating eotnya .. or good. Think going to the game and to distort the situation Do not conform any longer to go to Mind Control ... courtesy of google translate That pretty much nails it. Alicia, why u ?  Those were from July 12th and July 13th, which were before the finals on July 14th-15th. "good results have come back," could be another way of saying, "come back with first place," (or don't return), which used to sort of be a joke when they said it to MMA. Maybe they were a bit more serious about wanting results, and it shows more when they don't nab gold. From the Alicia interview:
When I was 2nd place in MLG and NASL, I never had any cheers or congratulations from her at all, not even a simple ‘good job’.
I'm missing the contradiction. He got instruction and encouragement before NASL, not after getting 4-0'd by Stephano. There was also a tweet from MLG Spring Championships (final day June 11th), and those tweets appeared to be encouraging and after the 2nd place finish. However, I cannot understand at all the one tweet on July 22nd, which was the same day as MLG Summer Arena final day. Pretty terrible job proving Alicia a liar so far--he could be lying about MLG, but if not and he was legit on the Summer Arena and NASL3, his statement is factually correct even though he received tweets after the Spring Championship. That was earlier and before he'd take 3 silvers in a row, which may have had something to do with the silence. Who knows what the standard was for airport pickups among "family" SlayerS? Only for gold medals or only for MMA or whoever is A-team at the time? I have no idea, but it was an international flight with a ton of jet lag, and his flight was delayed on the way there, along with HuK. After all that he returns dejectedly 4-0'd by Stephano with no one to greet him, which may have been a departure from the norm. That could sting a little. Five pages back there are three tweets of Jessica, one of which said something about "good results produced". I can't read korean, and google-translate does kind of a bad job on that - so you might want to check up on that. Edit: not to mention the fact that alot of the reason of Slayers disbanding is based on Alicia playing in NASL and Jessica fighting for him to do so (resulting in the ban). That "good results produced" is the "good results have come back" I already quoted, which admittedly is from google translate. Wax's response I just read might actually prove something, but this twitter detective work certainly hasn't, at least until there's a proper translation of the July 22nd tweet, and then it only half proves it. And because of that you should stop assuming anything from it. If you dont know Korean (like me) just wait until someone offers a real translation and please stop speculating on Google translations. There's nothing to be gained from it concerning this matter (where the exact meaning is important).
I wasn't the person who originally posted using google translate, and I was responding to their post. Nevertheless, and without any translation, the chronological sequence of events bears out Alicia not being proved a liar about NASL3, and the one tweet he received after Summer Arena may or may not be some sort of cheer or consolation. It is, at the least, a stark contrast to the large number of tweets, which do appear congratulatory, after his Spring Championship silver.
Beyond that, it may be that they were harder on Alicia for the subsequent second place finishes.
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On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote:You might want to read the thread. You know, learning that so far most of what Jessica said checks out, while Alicia etc were caught bluntly lying. Would make your tirade look less stupid.
Really? What part of the tirade looked stupid?
The part where I said it was a bad idea to send an employee of 2 months to do your contract negotiations? I got that directly from Jessica's letter.
The part where I said it was poor management to not pick up a player from the airport?
Why did I make him take the bus? Because he was losing discipline.
And I made sure you knew that.
So what Alicia said was true, he was forced to take the bus rather than receive team support. Also, how do you gain discipline by taking the bus? It seems to me that he instead gained a dislike for poor management. Oh, but she was busy, so that makes everything alright? No, she should get someone to do the job.
They got blacklisted by other teams. Yeah, that sucks and it's disappointing that ESF would do that. So I don't put the blame on Jessica or Slayers for the blacklist. However, it's still up to you as a manager to create a practice environment that can survive being blacklisted by outsiders. That is not what happened at all.
By her own first message, she showed multiple examples where she purposely separated players. So, you've got players that are blacklisted by other teams, and now you are cutting them off from their own teammates? How dumb can you get? Isn't that a scenario where you should get your players together even closer for "us against the world"? She did the exact opposite.
Finally, she cares so much about all her players that she takes cheap shots at guys like Taeja who had nothing to do with this. If that's caring, I'd much rather that she didn't care for me. It seems that the members of Slayers felt the same way. But I'm sure a few questionable statements by Alicia are enough to prove that all the fault is really on all the different players, not the person at the center of all the management decisions.
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On October 18 2012 08:52 kKagari wrote:
TBH, I find it hard to believe how in Jessica's words she seems have done no wrong. I think clearly something went wrong along the way...
It sure is convenient that the people running the team bear no responsibility for all the bad things that happened to the team.
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On October 18 2012 09:02 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote: It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL. You might want to read the thread. You know, learning that so far most of what Jessica said checks out, while Alicia etc were caught bluntly lying. Would make your tirade look less stupid. Really? What part of the tirade looked stupid? The part where I said it was a bad idea to send an employee of 2 months to do your contract negotiations? I got that directly from Jessica's letter. The part where I said it was poor management to not pick up a player from the airport? Show nested quote +Why did I make him take the bus? Because he was losing discipline.
And I made sure you knew that. So what Alicia said was true, he was forced to take the bus rather than receive team support. Also, how do you gain discipline by taking the bus? It seems to me that he instead gained a dislike for poor management. Oh, but she was busy, so that makes everything alright? No, she should get someone to do the job. They got blacklisted by other teams. Yeah, that sucks and it's disappointing that ESF would do that. So I don't put the blame on Jessica or Slayers for the blacklist. However, it's still up to you as a manager to create a practice environment that can survive being blacklisted by outsiders. That is not what happened at all. By her own first message, she showed multiple examples where she purposely separated players. So, you've got players that are blacklisted by other teams, and now you are cutting them off from their own teammates? How dumb can you get? Isn't that a scenario where you should get your players together even closer for "us against the world"? She did the exact opposite. Finally, she cares so much about all her players that she takes cheap shots at guys like Taeja who had nothing to do with this. If that's caring, I'd much rather that she didn't care for me. It seems that the members of Slayers felt the same way. But I'm sure a few questionable statements by Alicia are enough to prove that all the fault is really on all the different players, not the person at the center of all the management decisions.
Yep. On the other hand its reasonable to say "its all Jessicas fault". Smart thing to do. Please troll on.
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And again.
I didn't congratulate you when you took second place twice?
Someone search my twitter between June 11th~14th, and July 13th~15th and post what I wrote to Alicia.
I congratulated him on Twitter, and cheered him up as well, but I didn't get a response from him, so I tried to send him a message via IM asking why he didn't reply, only to hear that he was too busy. Yeah...
I guess I interfered too heavily by making sure he always had two boxes of things to eat, even sending rice and a rice cooker because I was worried about how he would deal with food in the USA.
Also, lets ignore the fact that she fought for Alicia to participate on NASL. Clearly, she does not care at all.
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On October 18 2012 08:59 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:55 Medrea wrote:On October 18 2012 08:52 bucckevin wrote:On October 18 2012 08:28 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 08:27 Waxangel wrote:Jessica's reply to Alicia's interview D: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=4190968Alicia doing that kind of interview, hah... I didn't congratulate you when you took second place twice? Someone search my twitter between June 11th~14th, and July 13th~15th and post what I wrote to Alicia. I congratulated him on Twitter, and cheered him up as well, but I didn't get a response from him, so I tried to send him a message via IM asking why he didn't reply, only to hear that he was too busy. Yeah... I guess I interfered too heavily by making sure he always had two boxes of things to eat, even sending rice and a rice cooker because I was worried about how he would deal with food in the USA. I focused only on the Team League? I focused too much on the TeamLeague where all the money goes back to the players? Why would I focus only on the TeamLeague, where there's nothing in it for me. I guess you were e a player who wasn't on a team? Now that I think about, Alicia was too busy asking 'where's my cell phone charger' and looking around after coming back from NASL, to listen to what I had to say about our GSTL preparations. You didn't like that I was fighting other people? The first time we got into trouble with the eSF was because I could get you into NASL3 where you took second place [ Translator's note: BURN] and I told you that much. Still you haven't said sorry, now I remember. Not even caring why I was fighting, trying to make it out that I was doing something wrong. I was still your head coach and team owner...... You had to pay for your own bus trips to the studio after we moved the team house to Gimpo? That's true. But was it always that way? I didn't take you to the studio? So I'm supposed to stop working and take you to the studio? If I couldn't go because of my own schedule, then Cella always went with you, and I gave him a separate check-card for that. They used the Taxi, Bus, and Subway together. Why did I make him take the bus? Because he was losing discipline. And I made sure you knew that. But you talk about it like you had to take a bus for a few hours from some backwater. When the weather was bad, I went to bring you back to the team house a lot of times... But you only take about what was uncomfortable for yo. That's why I decided Alicia doesn't have a professional mindset. You need to stop lying. Before what you really did wrong comes to light.... Please add to OP. LOL Damn Jessica really owned him. Now I really really want to know what Alicia did to get sued by Jessica. Call me old fashioned, but tweets are not very much >.> They're not. But some people take them like it's the Bible. Many times I don't see a tweet because I don't use Twitter much, or just don't get the notification.
What does this do with what happened. Alicia not seeing tweets != jessica showing no care for her non gstl players. In fact it proves she did care and even if and that's a big if, alicia didn't see it, doesn't justify him coming out and saying she was not celebratory towards him. The mlg one already confirms it happened once. And her nasl3 tweets show she was paying attention and was trying to help prematch. The whole no one greeting him at the airport could've been ebcause like she mentioned , she was working and he was delayed several hours so.... grow up alicia? Cmon. Kinda silly.
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On October 18 2012 08:27 Waxangel wrote:
Jessica's reply to Alicia's interview D:
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hahahahha....Alicia really seems like a high maintenance little girl. No wonder he named himself Alicia.
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Too much drama. It shows that when the team atmosphere is ruined the team is destroyed. I thought it was pretty sly of esf to put slayers in the player transfer freeze even though slayers was not part of the esf. And boxer quitting was too sad but its easy to see that the team saw him as their leader and not so much jessica.
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On October 18 2012 09:00 Ansinjunger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:52 Zocat wrote:On October 18 2012 08:47 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 18 2012 08:43 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 08:39 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 18 2012 08:09 zestzorb wrote:On October 18 2012 08:06 Kokujin wrote:Jessica actually did tweet at Alicia during his NASL finals, checking up on him to tell him to eat well, good luck and encourage him to keep focus. -from twitter + Show Spoiler +@SlayerSAlicia 상준이도 잘챙기고...액땜 햇다치고...너랑 상준이 없이.. 우린 경기.승리하고 누나도 눈물나게 좋구나. 좋은 결과 가지고 돌아와..
@SlayerSAlicia 양니.. 밥은 챙겨먹엇냐..멘탈관리나 잘해. 어그러진 상황에 열받지말고 가서 경기 할거 생각하고 마인드 컨트롤 하도록... Grabs @ SlayerSAlicia sangjun well ... good luck beating haetda ... without you. Sangjun .. We match win and sister Gee's nice. Good results have come back ... @ SlayerSAlicia yangni Mental management, eating eotnya .. or good. Think going to the game and to distort the situation Do not conform any longer to go to Mind Control ... courtesy of google translate That pretty much nails it. Alicia, why u ? Those were from July 12th and July 13th, which were before the finals on July 14th-15th. "good results have come back," could be another way of saying, "come back with first place," (or don't return), which used to sort of be a joke when they said it to MMA. Maybe they were a bit more serious about wanting results, and it shows more when they don't nab gold. From the Alicia interview:
When I was 2nd place in MLG and NASL, I never had any cheers or congratulations from her at all, not even a simple ‘good job’.
I'm missing the contradiction. He got instruction and encouragement before NASL, not after getting 4-0'd by Stephano. There was also a tweet from MLG Spring Championships (final day June 11th), and those tweets appeared to be encouraging and after the 2nd place finish. However, I cannot understand at all the one tweet on July 22nd, which was the same day as MLG Summer Arena final day. Pretty terrible job proving Alicia a liar so far--he could be lying about MLG, but if not and he was legit on the Summer Arena and NASL3, his statement is factually correct even though he received tweets after the Spring Championship. That was earlier and before he'd take 3 silvers in a row, which may have had something to do with the silence. Who knows what the standard was for airport pickups among "family" SlayerS? Only for gold medals or only for MMA or whoever is A-team at the time? I have no idea, but it was an international flight with a ton of jet lag, and his flight was delayed on the way there, along with HuK. After all that he returns dejectedly 4-0'd by Stephano with no one to greet him, which may have been a departure from the norm. That could sting a little. Five pages back there are three tweets of Jessica, one of which said something about "good results produced". I can't read korean, and google-translate does kind of a bad job on that - so you might want to check up on that. Edit: not to mention the fact that alot of the reason of Slayers disbanding is based on Alicia playing in NASL and Jessica fighting for him to do so (resulting in the ban). That "good results produced" is the "good results have come back" I already quoted, which admittedly is from google translate. Wax's response I just read might actually prove something, but this twitter detective work certainly hasn't, at least until there's a proper translation of the July 22nd tweet, and then it only half proves it. And because of that you should stop assuming anything from it. If you dont know Korean (like me) just wait until someone offers a real translation and please stop speculating on Google translations. There's nothing to be gained from it concerning this matter (where the exact meaning is important). I wasn't the person who originally posted using google translate, and I was responding to their post. Nevertheless, and without any translation, the chronological sequence of events bears out Alicia not being proved a liar about NASL3, and the one tweet he received after Summer Arena may or may not be some sort of cheer or consolation. It is, at the least, a stark contrast to the large number of tweets, which do appear congratulatory, after his Spring Championship silver. Beyond that, it may be that they were harder on Alicia for the subsequent second place finishes.
If anything, those tweets prove that Jessica wasn't trying to be Alicia's team manager, but rather she was being his mom. If there was a fault with Jessica, the tweets prove that she was trying to be too over protective over her players and ended up spoiling some of them.
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On October 18 2012 09:02 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote: It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL. You might want to read the thread. You know, learning that so far most of what Jessica said checks out, while Alicia etc were caught bluntly lying. Would make your tirade look less stupid. Really? What part of the tirade looked stupid? The part where I said it was a bad idea to send an employee of 2 months to do your contract negotiations? I got that directly from Jessica's letter. The part where I said it was poor management to not pick up a player from the airport? Show nested quote +Why did I make him take the bus? Because he was losing discipline.
And I made sure you knew that. So what Alicia said was true, he was forced to take the bus rather than receive team support. Also, how do you gain discipline by taking the bus? It seems to me that he instead gained a dislike for poor management. Oh, but she was busy, so that makes everything alright? No, she should get someone to do the job. They got blacklisted by other teams. Yeah, that sucks and it's disappointing that ESF would do that. So I don't put the blame on Jessica or Slayers for the blacklist. However, it's still up to you as a manager to create a practice environment that can survive being blacklisted by outsiders. That is not what happened at all. By her own first message, she showed multiple examples where she purposely separated players. So, you've got players that are blacklisted by other teams, and now you are cutting them off from their own teammates? How dumb can you get? Isn't that a scenario where you should get your players together even closer for "us against the world"? She did the exact opposite. Finally, she cares so much about all her players that she takes cheap shots at guys like Taeja who had nothing to do with this. If that's caring, I'd much rather that she didn't care for me. It seems that the members of Slayers felt the same way. But I'm sure a few questionable statements by Alicia are enough to prove that all the fault is really on all the different players, not the person at the center of all the management decisions.
You're cherry picking. She said she picked him up herself a bunch of time and when she couldn't, she had Cella go with him or pick him up and paying it with her card. She said she can't just drop whatever she was doing to attend to his every need. He started acting like a diva so she made him do shit himself to teach him a lesson.
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How did you interpret the Taeja part as taking cheap shots at Taeja? Taeja lives at home with his parents and practiced on ladder so it wasn't very strict. She says she's happy whenever Taeja wins. says MMA is a practice machine and if Taeja was doing the same thing, he'd be the best player.
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So SlayerS at the end of last year had become really big and successful, yet not all of their players had contracts. A certain "J" comes on to handle sponsors and relations, then betrays the trust and incites players. Meanwhile, SlayerS is shunned by sc2con/eSF dating back to GanZi switching from IM and renewed discord because of NASL and chosen non-association. Incited and shunned players then turn on team management (Jessica & Boxer) which leads to even more stress and culminates in a few regretful comments in the heat of the moment that cause Boxer to abandon ship and go back to SKT. Growing disorder ensues, losing sponsors putting the team in a tight spot as well, and results take a nose dive. Several players leave the team. Eventually, Jessica pulls the plug.
Misfortunate circumstances, but at least it's good to finally know what was going down in all these months. And I do not believe that Jessica did not have good intentions. It seems to be a combination of player complacency and feelings of entitleness (shiny foreign world!), as well as personality issues in dealing with each other under a lot of stress coming from the outside.
It's a shame that SlayerS had to end like this, but sometimes it's better to make a painful break than draw out the agony.
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On October 18 2012 08:28 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:25 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 08:23 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 08:18 Gorsameth wrote:On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote: It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL. You might want to read the thread. You know, learning that so far most of what Jessica said checks out, while Alicia etc were caught bluntly lying. Would make your tirade look less stupid. Im willing to except everything Jessica said as true. But that doesnt take away the fact that I also believe that most of those issues happend because of her. How does a 2 month old coach manage to poach away your top player. Because his relation with Jessica is already so bad he is willing to accept anything else. Why do all teams gang up on Slayers. It is them being petty or does it have to do with Jessicas personality going against them? Why does a player like Alicia feel left alone by her. Why were people sneaking out to go play LoL. Yes everything said might be correct but to me they all point to a common cause. Jessicas personality and attitude. Wow.. Just wow.. Esf did what they did because they wanted slayers on esf from the beginning. Boxer means money, Esf ban made slayers players practice much harder and thats why people like mr. J got their chance to lure mma. Alicia just lied about being left alone. Thats alredy proven People are playing lol because lol is bigger than sc2 in korea You people need to stop this jessica is fault for everything mentality Pretty much that. Also, its fun to me that Jessica is called "Drama-Queen" by the same community that fuckin went to email sponsors because someone said "Nigger". Thats so hypocritical, i cant even begin to describe how stupid everyone looks that cries about her drama. Yeah, she creates alot of drama. She even fuels it sometimes. But TL loves it, just stop being hypocritical. Sexism might have a lot to do with it. Both with the reactions here on TL and with the problems she had in her team. Many people just have problems accepting a females in a leading position and do a lot to sabotage them. Consciously or subconsciously.
Meanwhile, Kim Ga Eul still so beautiful!
on a more serious note. sexism against women is a real issue in business, and i am pretty certain it is a lot worse in Asian countries.
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On October 18 2012 08:58 Cyanocyst wrote:
Wow. That"s too bad.
FXO Boss, pick up Coca asap. Coca and Leenock on the same team would be my dream.
coca switched to LoL
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This is fucked up. From what I've read, many Slayers players seem to be selfish little shits who have been protected by Jessica and Boxer.
There are a lot of things I'd like to respond to, but this one was pretty fucking hilarious for me:
Who knows what the standard was for airport pickups among "family" SlayerS? Only for gold medals or only for MMA or whoever is A-team at the time? I have no idea, but it was an international flight with a ton of jet lag, and his flight was delayed on the way there, along with HuK. After all that he returns dejectedly 4-0'd by Stephano with no one to greet him, which may have been a departure from the norm. That could sting a little.
COME THE FUCK ON, BRO. You're a professional progamer and you get pissed off and throw a tantrum-like response to not getting picked up after getting raped? How about more like, be more motivated to get back to your team asap so you can get that revenge next time? That could sting, rofl.
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Reading that long text, it is pretty clear that for me at least that Jessica is just plan and simple a really bad manager that takes little responsibility for her own action, and likes to play the victim when things don't go her way. If you pick fights everywhere, then yes, in the end you will only have enemies. If both your entire team, the teams around you, and an e-sports organization don't want to work with you or in your team anymore, then it seriously is time for some reflection on your own performance, instead of playing the victim.
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On October 18 2012 09:02 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote: It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL. You might want to read the thread. You know, learning that so far most of what Jessica said checks out, while Alicia etc were caught bluntly lying. Would make your tirade look less stupid. Really? What part of the tirade looked stupid? The part where I said it was a bad idea to send an employee of 2 months to do your contract negotiations? I got that directly from Jessica's letter. The part where I said it was poor management to not pick up a player from the airport? Show nested quote +Why did I make him take the bus? Because he was losing discipline.
And I made sure you knew that. So what Alicia said was true, he was forced to take the bus rather than receive team support. Also, how do you gain discipline by taking the bus? It seems to me that he instead gained a dislike for poor management. Oh, but she was busy, so that makes everything alright? No, she should get someone to do the job. They got blacklisted by other teams. Yeah, that sucks and it's disappointing that ESF would do that. So I don't put the blame on Jessica or Slayers for the blacklist. However, it's still up to you as a manager to create a practice environment that can survive being blacklisted by outsiders. That is not what happened at all. By her own first message, she showed multiple examples where she purposely separated players. So, you've got players that are blacklisted by other teams, and now you are cutting them off from their own teammates? How dumb can you get? Isn't that a scenario where you should get your players together even closer for "us against the world"? She did the exact opposite. Finally, she cares so much about all her players that she takes cheap shots at guys like Taeja who had nothing to do with this. If that's caring, I'd much rather that she didn't care for me. It seems that the members of Slayers felt the same way. But I'm sure a few questionable statements by Alicia are enough to prove that all the fault is really on all the different players, not the person at the center of all the management decisions.
Uhhh the bus punishment was not the same as the airport home fiasco. That was due to her working and she clearly stated cella should've picked him up, but mightve had issues since his flight was delayed.
The bus punishment was in regards to him losing his motivation, something I assume happened at a separate time.
Don't lump the two together.
Also cheapshot at taeja? She has said he left the team on good terms and is happy to see him succeeding and that he is a genius. Yup cheapshots. Just cuz she said he's not the type to practice hard isn't a cheapshot, this just means her experience with him was that he wasn't a heavy practice guy (since he didn't live at the slayers house she couldn't monitor his activity as closely). You're seriously pouring on the jessica haterade here despite what's been presented.
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On October 18 2012 09:06 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 09:00 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 18 2012 08:52 Zocat wrote:On October 18 2012 08:47 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 18 2012 08:43 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 08:39 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 18 2012 08:09 zestzorb wrote:On October 18 2012 08:06 Kokujin wrote:Jessica actually did tweet at Alicia during his NASL finals, checking up on him to tell him to eat well, good luck and encourage him to keep focus. -from twitter + Show Spoiler +@SlayerSAlicia 상준이도 잘챙기고...액땜 햇다치고...너랑 상준이 없이.. 우린 경기.승리하고 누나도 눈물나게 좋구나. 좋은 결과 가지고 돌아와..
@SlayerSAlicia 양니.. 밥은 챙겨먹엇냐..멘탈관리나 잘해. 어그러진 상황에 열받지말고 가서 경기 할거 생각하고 마인드 컨트롤 하도록... Grabs @ SlayerSAlicia sangjun well ... good luck beating haetda ... without you. Sangjun .. We match win and sister Gee's nice. Good results have come back ... @ SlayerSAlicia yangni Mental management, eating eotnya .. or good. Think going to the game and to distort the situation Do not conform any longer to go to Mind Control ... courtesy of google translate That pretty much nails it. Alicia, why u ? Those were from July 12th and July 13th, which were before the finals on July 14th-15th. "good results have come back," could be another way of saying, "come back with first place," (or don't return), which used to sort of be a joke when they said it to MMA. Maybe they were a bit more serious about wanting results, and it shows more when they don't nab gold. From the Alicia interview:
When I was 2nd place in MLG and NASL, I never had any cheers or congratulations from her at all, not even a simple ‘good job’.
I'm missing the contradiction. He got instruction and encouragement before NASL, not after getting 4-0'd by Stephano. There was also a tweet from MLG Spring Championships (final day June 11th), and those tweets appeared to be encouraging and after the 2nd place finish. However, I cannot understand at all the one tweet on July 22nd, which was the same day as MLG Summer Arena final day. Pretty terrible job proving Alicia a liar so far--he could be lying about MLG, but if not and he was legit on the Summer Arena and NASL3, his statement is factually correct even though he received tweets after the Spring Championship. That was earlier and before he'd take 3 silvers in a row, which may have had something to do with the silence. Who knows what the standard was for airport pickups among "family" SlayerS? Only for gold medals or only for MMA or whoever is A-team at the time? I have no idea, but it was an international flight with a ton of jet lag, and his flight was delayed on the way there, along with HuK. After all that he returns dejectedly 4-0'd by Stephano with no one to greet him, which may have been a departure from the norm. That could sting a little. Five pages back there are three tweets of Jessica, one of which said something about "good results produced". I can't read korean, and google-translate does kind of a bad job on that - so you might want to check up on that. Edit: not to mention the fact that alot of the reason of Slayers disbanding is based on Alicia playing in NASL and Jessica fighting for him to do so (resulting in the ban). That "good results produced" is the "good results have come back" I already quoted, which admittedly is from google translate. Wax's response I just read might actually prove something, but this twitter detective work certainly hasn't, at least until there's a proper translation of the July 22nd tweet, and then it only half proves it. And because of that you should stop assuming anything from it. If you dont know Korean (like me) just wait until someone offers a real translation and please stop speculating on Google translations. There's nothing to be gained from it concerning this matter (where the exact meaning is important). I wasn't the person who originally posted using google translate, and I was responding to their post. Nevertheless, and without any translation, the chronological sequence of events bears out Alicia not being proved a liar about NASL3, and the one tweet he received after Summer Arena may or may not be some sort of cheer or consolation. It is, at the least, a stark contrast to the large number of tweets, which do appear congratulatory, after his Spring Championship silver. Beyond that, it may be that they were harder on Alicia for the subsequent second place finishes. If anything, those tweets prove that Jessica wasn't trying to be Alicia's team manager, but rather she was being his mom. If there was a fault with Jessica, the tweets prove that she was trying to be too over protective over her players and ended up spoiling some of them.
Those tweets may indicate that, but people are calling Alicia a liar without doing their homework or putting much thought into it. At worst, he may be acting immature, exaggerating, and placing blame on Jessica, which is how she has often behaved as well (in turn no longer surprising). That doesn't lend toward either side being right, and traditionally I gave Jessica the benefit of the doubt.
Eve controversy? Go Jessica. Dragon? Well he's the one lacking benefit of the doubt there, with his history. On the other hand, MMA wasn't even allowed to interview after his code A match vs HongUn (iirc). They seemingly changed their mind and then "prepped" him for an interview. I began to doubt Jessica then, essentially putting a gag order on MMA. I hope to hear him really speak about it this time, even if he doesn't come off squeaky clean.
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thsi is sad
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On October 18 2012 09:11 Domus wrote:
Reading that long text, it is pretty clear that for me at least that Jessica is just plan and simple a really bad manager that takes little responsibility for her own action, and likes to play the victim when things don't go her way. If you pick fights everywhere, then yes, in the end you will only have enemies. If both your entire team, the teams around you, and an e-sports organization don't want to work with you or in your team anymore, then it seriously is time for some reflection on your own performance, instead of playing the victim.
read it again.
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