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On October 18 2012 08:47 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:44 zestzorb wrote:On October 18 2012 08:39 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 18 2012 08:09 zestzorb wrote:On October 18 2012 08:06 Kokujin wrote:Jessica actually did tweet at Alicia during his NASL finals, checking up on him to tell him to eat well, good luck and encourage him to keep focus. -from twitter + Show Spoiler +@SlayerSAlicia 상준이도 잘챙기고...액땜 햇다치고...너랑 상준이 없이.. 우린 경기.승리하고 누나도 눈물나게 좋구나. 좋은 결과 가지고 돌아와..
@SlayerSAlicia 양니.. 밥은 챙겨먹엇냐..멘탈관리나 잘해. 어그러진 상황에 열받지말고 가서 경기 할거 생각하고 마인드 컨트롤 하도록... Grabs @ SlayerSAlicia sangjun well ... good luck beating haetda ... without you. Sangjun .. We match win and sister Gee's nice. Good results have come back ... @ SlayerSAlicia yangni Mental management, eating eotnya .. or good. Think going to the game and to distort the situation Do not conform any longer to go to Mind Control ... courtesy of google translate That pretty much nails it. Alicia, why u ?  Those were from July 12th and July 13th, which were before the finals on July 14th-15th. "good results have come back," could be another way of saying, "come back with first place," (or don't return), which used to sort of be a joke when they said it to MMA. Maybe they were a bit more serious about wanting results, and it shows more when they don't nab gold. From the Alicia interview:
When I was 2nd place in MLG and NASL, I never had any cheers or congratulations from her at all, not even a simple ‘good job’.
I'm missing the contradiction. He got instruction and encouragement before NASL, not after getting 4-0'd by Stephano. Don't those tweets count as cheers? I don't know korean so I couldn't confirm myself but I'm sure other ppl could. Actually kokujin translated them as "checking up on him to tell him to eat well, good luck and encourage him to keep focus." According to him, no matter how much care Jessica give to Alicia, if she doesn't say congrats in the end, it doesn't matter, she doesn't care for him at all, screw fighting for him to play NASL3, screw rice cooker.
should have sent him some soju instead, Jessica u lack of managerial skills
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On October 18 2012 08:18 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote: It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL. You might want to read the thread. You know, learning that so far most of what Jessica said checks out, while Alicia etc were caught bluntly lying. Would make your tirade look less stupid. How does a 2 month old coach manage to poach away your top player. Because his relation with Jessica is already so bad he is willing to accept anything else
That one is actually really easy to explain, IMO. You say "hey buddy, in six months, I'm going to be starting my own team. Intel and Razer and Coca-Cola and Pocari Sweat will be sponsoring it. I've already got Players X, Y and Zed on board. I'll quadruple your pay if you agree to join. Oh, by the way, Slayers doesn't have any sponsors anymore because JESSICA. So they're going to fold. Do you want to go down with the ship, or do you want to get while the getting is good? This is the only offer you're going to get." And then that guy, who's legitimately worried about his future and the future of his team, starts thinking that maybe the only responsible thing for him to do is look out for number 1.
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On October 18 2012 08:49 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:18 Gorsameth wrote:On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote: It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL. You might want to read the thread. You know, learning that so far most of what Jessica said checks out, while Alicia etc were caught bluntly lying. Would make your tirade look less stupid. How does a 2 month old coach manage to poach away your top player. Because his relation with Jessica is already so bad he is willing to accept anything else That one is actually really easy to explain, IMO. You say "hey buddy, in six months, I'm going to be starting my own team. Intel and Razer and Coca-Cola and Pocari Sweat will be sponsoring it. I've already got Players X, Y and Zed on board. I'll quadruple your pay if you agree to join. Oh, by the way, Slayers doesn't have any sponsors anymore because JESSICA. So they're going to fold. Do you want to go down with the ship, or do you want to get while the getting is good? This is the only offer you're going to get." And then that guy, who's legitimately worried about his future and the future of his team, starts thinking that maybe the only responsible thing for him to do is look out for number 1.
Is that you, Manager J? 
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On October 18 2012 08:47 Ansinjunger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:43 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 08:39 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 18 2012 08:09 zestzorb wrote:On October 18 2012 08:06 Kokujin wrote:Jessica actually did tweet at Alicia during his NASL finals, checking up on him to tell him to eat well, good luck and encourage him to keep focus. -from twitter + Show Spoiler +@SlayerSAlicia 상준이도 잘챙기고...액땜 햇다치고...너랑 상준이 없이.. 우린 경기.승리하고 누나도 눈물나게 좋구나. 좋은 결과 가지고 돌아와..
@SlayerSAlicia 양니.. 밥은 챙겨먹엇냐..멘탈관리나 잘해. 어그러진 상황에 열받지말고 가서 경기 할거 생각하고 마인드 컨트롤 하도록... Grabs @ SlayerSAlicia sangjun well ... good luck beating haetda ... without you. Sangjun .. We match win and sister Gee's nice. Good results have come back ... @ SlayerSAlicia yangni Mental management, eating eotnya .. or good. Think going to the game and to distort the situation Do not conform any longer to go to Mind Control ... courtesy of google translate That pretty much nails it. Alicia, why u ? Those were from July 12th and July 13th, which were before the finals on July 14th-15th. "good results have come back," could be another way of saying, "come back with first place," (or don't return), which used to sort of be a joke when they said it to MMA. Maybe they were a bit more serious about wanting results, and it shows more when they don't nab gold. From the Alicia interview:
When I was 2nd place in MLG and NASL, I never had any cheers or congratulations from her at all, not even a simple ‘good job’.
I'm missing the contradiction. He got instruction and encouragement before NASL, not after getting 4-0'd by Stephano. There was also a tweet from MLG Spring Championships (final day June 11th), and those tweets appeared to be encouraging and after the 2nd place finish. However, I cannot understand at all the one tweet on July 22nd, which was the same day as MLG Summer Arena final day. Pretty terrible job proving Alicia a liar so far--he could be lying about MLG, but if not and he was legit on the Summer Arena and NASL3, his statement is factually correct even though he received tweets after the Spring Championship. That was earlier and before he'd take 3 silvers in a row, which may have had something to do with the silence. Who knows what the standard was for airport pickups among "family" SlayerS? Only for gold medals or only for MMA or whoever is A-team at the time? I have no idea, but it was an international flight with a ton of jet lag, and his flight was delayed on the way there, along with HuK. After all that he returns dejectedly 4-0'd by Stephano with no one to greet him, which may have been a departure from the norm. That could sting a little. Five pages back there are three tweets of Jessica, one of which said something about "good results produced". I can't read korean, and google-translate does kind of a bad job on that - so you might want to check up on that. Edit: not to mention the fact that alot of the reason of Slayers disbanding is based on Alicia playing in NASL and Jessica fighting for him to do so (resulting in the ban). That "good results produced" is the "good results have come back" I already quoted, which admittedly is from google translate. Wax's response I just read might actually prove something, but this twitter detective work certainly hasn't, at least until there's a proper translation of the July 22nd tweet, and then it only half proves it.
And because of that you should stop assuming anything from it. If you dont know Korean (like me) just wait until someone offers a real translation and please stop speculating on Google translations. There's nothing to be gained from it concerning this matter (where the exact meaning is important).
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TBH, I find it hard to believe how in Jessica's words she seems have done no wrong. I think clearly something went wrong along the way...
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On October 18 2012 08:28 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:27 Waxangel wrote:Jessica's reply to Alicia's interview D: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=4190968Alicia doing that kind of interview, hah... I didn't congratulate you when you took second place twice? Someone search my twitter between June 11th~14th, and July 13th~15th and post what I wrote to Alicia. I congratulated him on Twitter, and cheered him up as well, but I didn't get a response from him, so I tried to send him a message via IM asking why he didn't reply, only to hear that he was too busy. Yeah... I guess I interfered too heavily by making sure he always had two boxes of things to eat, even sending rice and a rice cooker because I was worried about how he would deal with food in the USA. I focused only on the Team League? I focused too much on the TeamLeague where all the money goes back to the players? Why would I focus only on the TeamLeague, where there's nothing in it for me. I guess you were e a player who wasn't on a team? Now that I think about, Alicia was too busy asking 'where's my cell phone charger' and looking around after coming back from NASL, to listen to what I had to say about our GSTL preparations. You didn't like that I was fighting other people? The first time we got into trouble with the eSF was because I could get you into NASL3 where you took second place [ Translator's note: BURN] and I told you that much. Still you haven't said sorry, now I remember. Not even caring why I was fighting, trying to make it out that I was doing something wrong. I was still your head coach and team owner...... You had to pay for your own bus trips to the studio after we moved the team house to Gimpo? That's true. But was it always that way? I didn't take you to the studio? So I'm supposed to stop working and take you to the studio? If I couldn't go because of my own schedule, then Cella always went with you, and I gave him a separate check-card for that. They used the Taxi, Bus, and Subway together. Why did I make him take the bus? Because he was losing discipline. And I made sure you knew that. But you talk about it like you had to take a bus for a few hours from some backwater. When the weather was bad, I went to bring you back to the team house a lot of times... But you only take about what was uncomfortable for yo. That's why I decided Alicia doesn't have a professional mindset. You need to stop lying. Before what you really did wrong comes to light.... Please add to OP.
LOL Damn Jessica really owned him. Now I really really want to know what Alicia did to get sued by Jessica.
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On October 18 2012 08:52 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:49 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 18 2012 08:18 Gorsameth wrote:On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote: It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL. You might want to read the thread. You know, learning that so far most of what Jessica said checks out, while Alicia etc were caught bluntly lying. Would make your tirade look less stupid. How does a 2 month old coach manage to poach away your top player. Because his relation with Jessica is already so bad he is willing to accept anything else That one is actually really easy to explain, IMO. You say "hey buddy, in six months, I'm going to be starting my own team. Intel and Razer and Coca-Cola and Pocari Sweat will be sponsoring it. I've already got Players X, Y and Zed on board. I'll quadruple your pay if you agree to join. Oh, by the way, Slayers doesn't have any sponsors anymore because JESSICA. So they're going to fold. Do you want to go down with the ship, or do you want to get while the getting is good? This is the only offer you're going to get." And then that guy, who's legitimately worried about his future and the future of his team, starts thinking that maybe the only responsible thing for him to do is look out for number 1. Is that you, Manager J? > 
I wish, because then I'd know who this guy is. I really want to know who the mysterious Monsieur J is and what his exact role is. You don't get put in a position like his without being an impressive candidate.
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On October 18 2012 08:53 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:52 jellyjello wrote:On October 18 2012 08:49 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 18 2012 08:18 Gorsameth wrote:On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote: It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL. You might want to read the thread. You know, learning that so far most of what Jessica said checks out, while Alicia etc were caught bluntly lying. Would make your tirade look less stupid. How does a 2 month old coach manage to poach away your top player. Because his relation with Jessica is already so bad he is willing to accept anything else That one is actually really easy to explain, IMO. You say "hey buddy, in six months, I'm going to be starting my own team. Intel and Razer and Coca-Cola and Pocari Sweat will be sponsoring it. I've already got Players X, Y and Zed on board. I'll quadruple your pay if you agree to join. Oh, by the way, Slayers doesn't have any sponsors anymore because JESSICA. So they're going to fold. Do you want to go down with the ship, or do you want to get while the getting is good? This is the only offer you're going to get." And then that guy, who's legitimately worried about his future and the future of his team, starts thinking that maybe the only responsible thing for him to do is look out for number 1. Is that you, Manager J? > I wish, because then I'd know who this guy is. I really want to know who the mysterious Monsieur J is and what his exact role is. You don't get put in a position like his without being an impressive candidate.
Holy shit. It was Monsieur J. It all makes sense.
Honestly, this is all just depressing.
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On October 18 2012 08:52 bucckevin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:28 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 08:27 Waxangel wrote:Jessica's reply to Alicia's interview D: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=4190968Alicia doing that kind of interview, hah... I didn't congratulate you when you took second place twice? Someone search my twitter between June 11th~14th, and July 13th~15th and post what I wrote to Alicia. I congratulated him on Twitter, and cheered him up as well, but I didn't get a response from him, so I tried to send him a message via IM asking why he didn't reply, only to hear that he was too busy. Yeah... I guess I interfered too heavily by making sure he always had two boxes of things to eat, even sending rice and a rice cooker because I was worried about how he would deal with food in the USA. I focused only on the Team League? I focused too much on the TeamLeague where all the money goes back to the players? Why would I focus only on the TeamLeague, where there's nothing in it for me. I guess you were e a player who wasn't on a team? Now that I think about, Alicia was too busy asking 'where's my cell phone charger' and looking around after coming back from NASL, to listen to what I had to say about our GSTL preparations. You didn't like that I was fighting other people? The first time we got into trouble with the eSF was because I could get you into NASL3 where you took second place [ Translator's note: BURN] and I told you that much. Still you haven't said sorry, now I remember. Not even caring why I was fighting, trying to make it out that I was doing something wrong. I was still your head coach and team owner...... You had to pay for your own bus trips to the studio after we moved the team house to Gimpo? That's true. But was it always that way? I didn't take you to the studio? So I'm supposed to stop working and take you to the studio? If I couldn't go because of my own schedule, then Cella always went with you, and I gave him a separate check-card for that. They used the Taxi, Bus, and Subway together. Why did I make him take the bus? Because he was losing discipline. And I made sure you knew that. But you talk about it like you had to take a bus for a few hours from some backwater. When the weather was bad, I went to bring you back to the team house a lot of times... But you only take about what was uncomfortable for yo. That's why I decided Alicia doesn't have a professional mindset. You need to stop lying. Before what you really did wrong comes to light.... Please add to OP. LOL Damn Jessica really owned him. Now I really really want to know what Alicia did to get sued by Jessica.
Call me old fashioned, but tweets are not very much >.>
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On October 18 2012 08:54 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:53 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 18 2012 08:52 jellyjello wrote:On October 18 2012 08:49 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On October 18 2012 08:18 Gorsameth wrote:On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote: It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL. You might want to read the thread. You know, learning that so far most of what Jessica said checks out, while Alicia etc were caught bluntly lying. Would make your tirade look less stupid. How does a 2 month old coach manage to poach away your top player. Because his relation with Jessica is already so bad he is willing to accept anything else That one is actually really easy to explain, IMO. You say "hey buddy, in six months, I'm going to be starting my own team. Intel and Razer and Coca-Cola and Pocari Sweat will be sponsoring it. I've already got Players X, Y and Zed on board. I'll quadruple your pay if you agree to join. Oh, by the way, Slayers doesn't have any sponsors anymore because JESSICA. So they're going to fold. Do you want to go down with the ship, or do you want to get while the getting is good? This is the only offer you're going to get." And then that guy, who's legitimately worried about his future and the future of his team, starts thinking that maybe the only responsible thing for him to do is look out for number 1. Is that you, Manager J? > I wish, because then I'd know who this guy is. I really want to know who the mysterious Monsieur J is and what his exact role is. You don't get put in a position like his without being an impressive candidate. Holy shit. It was Monsieur J. It all makes sense. Honestly, this is all just depressing.
Are you talking about that Protoss storming all the drone and said I hate you?
dafuq protoss!
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On October 18 2012 08:49 m1rk3 wrote:
Sad Day. Sc2 dead? hope not.
Slayers has been dead for a while. SC2 isn't dead.
SC2 is like a city with a few restaurants. Now KeSPA has moved into the town and laid done some more places to eat. Teams and players are going to leave the food biz and find something else to do. It's going to be a dog eat dog world where only the strong survive.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 18 2012 08:27 Waxangel wrote:Jessica's reply to Alicia's interview D: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=4190968Alicia doing that kind of interview, hah... I didn't congratulate you when you took second place twice? Someone search my twitter between June 11th~14th, and July 13th~15th and post what I wrote to Alicia. I congratulated him on Twitter, and cheered him up as well, but I didn't get a response from him, so I tried to send him a message via IM asking why he didn't reply, only to hear that he was too busy. Yeah... I guess I interfered too heavily by making sure he always had two boxes of things to eat, even sending rice and a rice cooker because I was worried about how he would deal with food in the USA. I focused only on the Team League? I focused too much on the TeamLeague where all the money goes back to the players? Why would I focus only on the TeamLeague, where there's nothing in it for me. I guess you were e a player who wasn't on a team? Now that I think about, Alicia was too busy asking 'where's my cell phone charger' and looking around after coming back from NASL, to listen to what I had to say about our GSTL preparations. You didn't like that I was fighting other people? The first time we got into trouble with the eSF was because I could get you into NASL3 where you took second place [ Translator's note: BURN] and I told you that much. Still you haven't said sorry, now I remember. Not even caring why I was fighting, trying to make it out that I was doing something wrong. I was still your head coach and team owner...... You had to pay for your own bus trips to the studio after we moved the team house to Gimpo? That's true. But was it always that way? I didn't take you to the studio? So I'm supposed to stop working and take you to the studio? If I couldn't go because of my own schedule, then Cella always went with you, and I gave him a separate check-card for that. They used the Taxi, Bus, and Subway together. Why did I make him take the bus? Because he was losing discipline. And I made sure you knew that. But you talk about it like you had to take a bus for a few hours from some backwater. When the weather was bad, I went to bring you back to the team house a lot of times... But you only take about what was uncomfortable for yo. That's why I decided Alicia doesn't have a professional mindset. You need to stop lying. Before what you really did wrong comes to light....
Alicia being schooled lol, and what Jessica said at the end is really intriguing. Now what will Alicia do?
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Wow. That"s too bad.
FXO Boss, pick up Coca asap. Coca and Leenock on the same team would be my dream.
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On October 18 2012 08:58 Cyanocyst wrote:
Wow. That"s too bad.
FXO Boss, pick up Coca asap. Coca and Leenock on the same team would be my dream.
Coca to LoL.
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On October 18 2012 08:49 m1rk3 wrote:
Sad Day. Sc2 dead? hope not.
What ? One team disband because bad management, Destiny trolling like always and ppl think it is end of sc2 funny
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wow this is some juicy drama!
poor slayers
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On October 18 2012 08:55 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:52 bucckevin wrote:On October 18 2012 08:28 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 08:27 Waxangel wrote:Jessica's reply to Alicia's interview D: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=4190968Alicia doing that kind of interview, hah... I didn't congratulate you when you took second place twice? Someone search my twitter between June 11th~14th, and July 13th~15th and post what I wrote to Alicia. I congratulated him on Twitter, and cheered him up as well, but I didn't get a response from him, so I tried to send him a message via IM asking why he didn't reply, only to hear that he was too busy. Yeah... I guess I interfered too heavily by making sure he always had two boxes of things to eat, even sending rice and a rice cooker because I was worried about how he would deal with food in the USA. I focused only on the Team League? I focused too much on the TeamLeague where all the money goes back to the players? Why would I focus only on the TeamLeague, where there's nothing in it for me. I guess you were e a player who wasn't on a team? Now that I think about, Alicia was too busy asking 'where's my cell phone charger' and looking around after coming back from NASL, to listen to what I had to say about our GSTL preparations. You didn't like that I was fighting other people? The first time we got into trouble with the eSF was because I could get you into NASL3 where you took second place [ Translator's note: BURN] and I told you that much. Still you haven't said sorry, now I remember. Not even caring why I was fighting, trying to make it out that I was doing something wrong. I was still your head coach and team owner...... You had to pay for your own bus trips to the studio after we moved the team house to Gimpo? That's true. But was it always that way? I didn't take you to the studio? So I'm supposed to stop working and take you to the studio? If I couldn't go because of my own schedule, then Cella always went with you, and I gave him a separate check-card for that. They used the Taxi, Bus, and Subway together. Why did I make him take the bus? Because he was losing discipline. And I made sure you knew that. But you talk about it like you had to take a bus for a few hours from some backwater. When the weather was bad, I went to bring you back to the team house a lot of times... But you only take about what was uncomfortable for yo. That's why I decided Alicia doesn't have a professional mindset. You need to stop lying. Before what you really did wrong comes to light.... Please add to OP. LOL Damn Jessica really owned him. Now I really really want to know what Alicia did to get sued by Jessica. Call me old fashioned, but tweets are not very much >.>
I think it's kind of silly to only count public tweets. I know neither side can prove what was or wasn't said in private. But just look at the laundry list of tweeting everytime he went abroad to compete. I *highly* doubt nothing was said when he came back.
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Jessica has always made me wary in the past from her personality and the sense that she'd rip someone to shreds for perceived sleights. If all this is actually turning out true, though... huh. I wouldn't mind admitting I'm wrong about her.
I hope this flamestorm cauterizes things rather than burns everything to the ground, though.
As the galaxy turns...
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