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On October 18 2012 08:09 zestzorb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:06 Kokujin wrote:Jessica actually did tweet at Alicia during his NASL finals, checking up on him to tell him to eat well, good luck and encourage him to keep focus. -from twitter + Show Spoiler +@SlayerSAlicia 상준이도 잘챙기고...액땜 햇다치고...너랑 상준이 없이.. 우린 경기.승리하고 누나도 눈물나게 좋구나. 좋은 결과 가지고 돌아와..
@SlayerSAlicia 양니.. 밥은 챙겨먹엇냐..멘탈관리나 잘해. 어그러진 상황에 열받지말고 가서 경기 할거 생각하고 마인드 컨트롤 하도록... Grabs @ SlayerSAlicia sangjun well ... good luck beating haetda ... without you. Sangjun .. We match win and sister Gee's nice. Good results have come back ... @ SlayerSAlicia yangni Mental management, eating eotnya .. or good. Think going to the game and to distort the situation Do not conform any longer to go to Mind Control ... courtesy of google translate That pretty much nails it. Alicia, why u ? 
lol she clearly was coaching the wrong game, protoss only had mind control in brood war
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On October 18 2012 08:18 Gorsameth wrote:
How does a 2 month old coach manage to poach away your top player. Because his relation with Jessica is already so bad he is willing to accept anything else.
Tester and Fruitdealer left oGs after spending much less time with Coach Lee.
Then it only took a weekend for EG to convince Puma to leave TSL...
Money talks, if the old coach is secretly sabotaging their financial situation, then promises players more money, they'll listen.
Why do all teams gang up on Slayers. It is them being petty or does it have to do with Jessicas personality going against them?
This is hardly a unique situation; Kespa almost killed Gom during BW, by telling their teams to stop playing in the Gom Classic. It's just ruthless, sure, but hardly unique and unlikely due to her personality.
Why does a player like Alicia feel left alone by her.
I would take his story with a grain of salt; he was mini-MC, and fell off the map the same time MC did (but MC came back, Alicia still hasn't). When you aren't doing well you don't get as much attention from the team. Alicia was on the Slayers B-team for a long time as well. In the end, he had more success in foreign tournaments and wanted to continue that, seems like they wanted different things.
Why were people sneaking out to go play LoL.
Points more to them being burned out of SC2 than eSports though (of course that could be due to Jessica).
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Jessica's reply to Alicia's interview D:
http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=4190968
Alicia doing that kind of interview, hah...
I didn't congratulate you when you took second place twice?
Someone search my twitter between June 11th~14th, and July 13th~15th and post what I wrote to Alicia.
I congratulated him on Twitter, and cheered him up as well, but I didn't get a response from him, so I tried to send him a message via IM asking why he didn't reply, only to hear that he was too busy. Yeah...
I guess I interfered too heavily by making sure he always had two boxes of things to eat, even sending rice and a rice cooker because I was worried about how he would deal with food in the USA.
I focused only on the Team League?
I focused too much on the TeamLeague where all the money goes back to the players?
Why would I focus only on the TeamLeague, where there's nothing in it for me.
I guess you were e a player who wasn't on a team?
Now that I think about, Alicia was too busy asking 'where's my cell phone charger' and looking around after coming back from NASL, to listen to what I had to say about our GSTL preparations.
You didn't like that I was fighting other people?
The first time we got into trouble with the eSF was because I could get you into NASL3 where you took second place [Translator's note: BURN] and I told you that much. Still you haven't said sorry, now I remember.
Not even caring why I was fighting, trying to make it out that I was doing something wrong.
I was still your head coach and team owner......
You had to pay for your own bus trips to the studio after we moved the team house to Gimpo?
That's true. But was it always that way?
I didn't take you to the studio?
So I'm supposed to stop working and take you to the studio?
If I couldn't go because of my own schedule, then Cella always went with you, and I gave him a separate check-card for that.
They used the Taxi, Bus, and Subway together.
Why did I make him take the bus? Because he was losing discipline.
And I made sure you knew that.
But you talk about it like you had to take a bus for a few hours from some backwater.
When the weather was bad, I went to bring you back to the team house a lot of times...
But you only take about what was uncomfortable for yo.
That's why I decided Alicia doesn't have a professional mindset.
You need to stop lying.
Before what you really did wrong comes to light....
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On October 18 2012 08:18 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote: It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL. You might want to read the thread. You know, learning that so far most of what Jessica said checks out, while Alicia etc were caught bluntly lying. Would make your tirade look less stupid. Im willing to except everything Jessica said as true. But that doesnt take away the fact that I also believe that most of those issues happend because of her. How does a 2 month old coach manage to poach away your top player. Because his relation with Jessica is already so bad he is willing to accept anything else. Why do all teams gang up on Slayers. It is them being petty or does it have to do with Jessicas personality going against them? Why does a player like Alicia feel left alone by her. Why were people sneaking out to go play LoL. Yes everything said might be correct but to me they all point to a common cause. Jessicas personality and attitude.
It all comes down to bullying, which Jessica isn't afraid to fight. I can see the shit above happening. It's like if you have a friend in school that is unpopular. You continue to be friends with him even though everyone else hates him. Then all of a sudden everyone bullies you and treat you like shit. It depends on your character, are you the type to abandon your friend to have a "better" life or are you the type to turn on your own friend? That's how I see it here. There was just too much shit going against them so they just wanted out.
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On October 18 2012 08:25 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:23 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 08:18 Gorsameth wrote:On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote: It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL. You might want to read the thread. You know, learning that so far most of what Jessica said checks out, while Alicia etc were caught bluntly lying. Would make your tirade look less stupid. Im willing to except everything Jessica said as true. But that doesnt take away the fact that I also believe that most of those issues happend because of her. How does a 2 month old coach manage to poach away your top player. Because his relation with Jessica is already so bad he is willing to accept anything else. Why do all teams gang up on Slayers. It is them being petty or does it have to do with Jessicas personality going against them? Why does a player like Alicia feel left alone by her. Why were people sneaking out to go play LoL. Yes everything said might be correct but to me they all point to a common cause. Jessicas personality and attitude. Wow.. Just wow.. Esf did what they did because they wanted slayers on esf from the beginning. Boxer means money, Esf ban made slayers players practice much harder and thats why people like mr. J got their chance to lure mma. Alicia just lied about being left alone. Thats alredy proven People are playing lol because lol is bigger than sc2 in korea You people need to stop this jessica is fault for everything mentality Pretty much that. Also, its fun to me that Jessica is called "Drama-Queen" by the same community that fuckin went to email sponsors because someone said "Nigger". Thats so hypocritical, i cant even begin to describe how stupid everyone looks that cries about her drama. Yeah, she creates alot of drama. She even fuels it sometimes. But TL loves it, just stop being hypocritical.
Also think back when jessica got angry at fxoboss when he commented that he knew why slayers is not part of esf...
He said that while participating in that practice bab.. What a shady shady man
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On October 18 2012 08:27 Waxangel wrote:Jessica's reply to Alicia's interview D: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=4190968Alicia doing that kind of interview, hah... I didn't congratulate you when you took second place twice? Someone search my twitter between June 11th~14th, and July 13th~15th and post what I wrote to Alicia. I congratulated him on Twitter, and cheered him up as well, but I didn't get a response from him, so I tried to send him a message via IM asking why he didn't reply, only to hear that he was too busy. Yeah... I guess I interfered too heavily by making sure he always had two boxes of things to eat, even sending rice and a rice cooker because I was worried about how he would deal with food in the USA. I focused only on the Team League? I focused too much on the TeamLeague where all the money goes back to the players? Why would I focus only on the TeamLeague, where there's nothing in it for me. I guess you were e a player who wasn't on a team? Now that I think about, Alicia was too busy asking 'where's my cell phone charger' and looking around after coming back from NASL, to listen to what I had to say about our GSTL preparations. You didn't like that I was fighting other people? The first time we got into trouble with the eSF was because I could get you into NASL3 where you took second place [ Translator's note: BURN] and I told you that much. Still you haven't said sorry, now I remember. Not even caring why I was fighting, trying to make it out that I was doing something wrong. I was still your head coach and team owner...... You had to pay for your own bus trips to the studio after we moved the team house to Gimpo? That's true. But was it always that way? I didn't take you to the studio? So I'm supposed to stop working and take you to the studio? If I couldn't go because of my own schedule, then Cella always went with you, and I gave him a separate check-card for that. They used the Taxi, Bus, and Subway together. Why did I make him take the bus? Because he was losing discipline. And I made sure you knew that. But you talk about it like you had to take a bus for a few hours from some backwater. When the weather was bad, I went to bring you back to the team house a lot of times... But you only take about what was uncomfortable for yo. That's why I decided Alicia doesn't have a professional mindset. You need to stop lying. Before what you really did wrong comes to light....
Please add to OP.
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On October 18 2012 08:25 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:23 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 08:18 Gorsameth wrote:On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote: It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL. You might want to read the thread. You know, learning that so far most of what Jessica said checks out, while Alicia etc were caught bluntly lying. Would make your tirade look less stupid. Im willing to except everything Jessica said as true. But that doesnt take away the fact that I also believe that most of those issues happend because of her. How does a 2 month old coach manage to poach away your top player. Because his relation with Jessica is already so bad he is willing to accept anything else. Why do all teams gang up on Slayers. It is them being petty or does it have to do with Jessicas personality going against them? Why does a player like Alicia feel left alone by her. Why were people sneaking out to go play LoL. Yes everything said might be correct but to me they all point to a common cause. Jessicas personality and attitude. Wow.. Just wow.. Esf did what they did because they wanted slayers on esf from the beginning. Boxer means money, Esf ban made slayers players practice much harder and thats why people like mr. J got their chance to lure mma. Alicia just lied about being left alone. Thats alredy proven People are playing lol because lol is bigger than sc2 in korea You people need to stop this jessica is fault for everything mentality Pretty much that. Also, its fun to me that Jessica is called "Drama-Queen" by the same community that fuckin went to email sponsors because someone said "Nigger". Thats so hypocritical, i cant even begin to describe how stupid everyone looks that cries about her drama. Yeah, she creates alot of drama. She even fuels it sometimes. But TL loves it, just stop being hypocritical.
Sexism might have a lot to do with it. Both with the reactions here on TL and with the problems she had in her team. Many people just have problems accepting a females in a leading position and do a lot to sabotage them. Consciously or
subconsciously.
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Thanks Wax, damn... alicia =( really lost all respect now.
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BoxeR is one lucky guy for getting himself such a feisty mate. From what I have gathered so far, Jessica sounds like a real caring, responsible woman who fight for what she believes in.
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On October 18 2012 08:28 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:25 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 08:23 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 08:18 Gorsameth wrote:On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote: It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL. You might want to read the thread. You know, learning that so far most of what Jessica said checks out, while Alicia etc were caught bluntly lying. Would make your tirade look less stupid. Im willing to except everything Jessica said as true. But that doesnt take away the fact that I also believe that most of those issues happend because of her. How does a 2 month old coach manage to poach away your top player. Because his relation with Jessica is already so bad he is willing to accept anything else. Why do all teams gang up on Slayers. It is them being petty or does it have to do with Jessicas personality going against them? Why does a player like Alicia feel left alone by her. Why were people sneaking out to go play LoL. Yes everything said might be correct but to me they all point to a common cause. Jessicas personality and attitude. Wow.. Just wow.. Esf did what they did because they wanted slayers on esf from the beginning. Boxer means money, Esf ban made slayers players practice much harder and thats why people like mr. J got their chance to lure mma. Alicia just lied about being left alone. Thats alredy proven People are playing lol because lol is bigger than sc2 in korea You people need to stop this jessica is fault for everything mentality Pretty much that. Also, its fun to me that Jessica is called "Drama-Queen" by the same community that fuckin went to email sponsors because someone said "Nigger". Thats so hypocritical, i cant even begin to describe how stupid everyone looks that cries about her drama. Yeah, she creates alot of drama. She even fuels it sometimes. But TL loves it, just stop being hypocritical. Sexism might have a lot to do with it. Both with the reactions here on TL and with the problems she had in her team. Many people just have problems accepting a females in a leading position and do a lot to sabotage them. Consciously or subconsciously.
Maybe. I guess you could be right, i did not like working under a woman in the Bundeswehr either (nearly 15 years ago, i matured a bit since then ^^), and in fact, we had "similar" problems with discipline then. Soldiers badmouthing her etc.
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On October 18 2012 08:28 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:25 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 08:23 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 08:18 Gorsameth wrote:On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote: It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL. You might want to read the thread. You know, learning that so far most of what Jessica said checks out, while Alicia etc were caught bluntly lying. Would make your tirade look less stupid. Im willing to except everything Jessica said as true. But that doesnt take away the fact that I also believe that most of those issues happend because of her. How does a 2 month old coach manage to poach away your top player. Because his relation with Jessica is already so bad he is willing to accept anything else. Why do all teams gang up on Slayers. It is them being petty or does it have to do with Jessicas personality going against them? Why does a player like Alicia feel left alone by her. Why were people sneaking out to go play LoL. Yes everything said might be correct but to me they all point to a common cause. Jessicas personality and attitude. Wow.. Just wow.. Esf did what they did because they wanted slayers on esf from the beginning. Boxer means money, Esf ban made slayers players practice much harder and thats why people like mr. J got their chance to lure mma. Alicia just lied about being left alone. Thats alredy proven People are playing lol because lol is bigger than sc2 in korea You people need to stop this jessica is fault for everything mentality Pretty much that. Also, its fun to me that Jessica is called "Drama-Queen" by the same community that fuckin went to email sponsors because someone said "Nigger". Thats so hypocritical, i cant even begin to describe how stupid everyone looks that cries about her drama. Yeah, she creates alot of drama. She even fuels it sometimes. But TL loves it, just stop being hypocritical. Sexism might have a lot to do with it. Both with the reactions here on TL and with the problems she had in her team. Many people just have problems accepting a females in a leading position and do a lot to sabotage them. Consciously or subconsciously.
I dont think so... Everybody in korea knows jessica. She is a big time actress and heiress to a friggin fortune. Progamers are mostly not that well known or have that kind of wealth. Also she is much older which plays a huge role in korea.
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On October 18 2012 08:28 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:27 Waxangel wrote:Jessica's reply to Alicia's interview D: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=4190968Alicia doing that kind of interview, hah... I didn't congratulate you when you took second place twice? Someone search my twitter between June 11th~14th, and July 13th~15th and post what I wrote to Alicia. I congratulated him on Twitter, and cheered him up as well, but I didn't get a response from him, so I tried to send him a message via IM asking why he didn't reply, only to hear that he was too busy. Yeah... I guess I interfered too heavily by making sure he always had two boxes of things to eat, even sending rice and a rice cooker because I was worried about how he would deal with food in the USA. I focused only on the Team League? I focused too much on the TeamLeague where all the money goes back to the players? Why would I focus only on the TeamLeague, where there's nothing in it for me. I guess you were e a player who wasn't on a team? Now that I think about, Alicia was too busy asking 'where's my cell phone charger' and looking around after coming back from NASL, to listen to what I had to say about our GSTL preparations. You didn't like that I was fighting other people? The first time we got into trouble with the eSF was because I could get you into NASL3 where you took second place [ Translator's note: BURN] and I told you that much. Still you haven't said sorry, now I remember. Not even caring why I was fighting, trying to make it out that I was doing something wrong. I was still your head coach and team owner...... You had to pay for your own bus trips to the studio after we moved the team house to Gimpo? That's true. But was it always that way? I didn't take you to the studio? So I'm supposed to stop working and take you to the studio? If I couldn't go because of my own schedule, then Cella always went with you, and I gave him a separate check-card for that. They used the Taxi, Bus, and Subway together. Why did I make him take the bus? Because he was losing discipline. And I made sure you knew that. But you talk about it like you had to take a bus for a few hours from some backwater. When the weather was bad, I went to bring you back to the team house a lot of times... But you only take about what was uncomfortable for yo. That's why I decided Alicia doesn't have a professional mindset. You need to stop lying. Before what you really did wrong comes to light.... Please add to OP.
They insist on us reading over 100 pages
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You need to stop lying.
Before what you really did wrong comes to light....
what does it mean?
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On October 18 2012 08:27 Waxangel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Jessica's reply to Alicia's interview D: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=4190968Alicia doing that kind of interview, hah... I didn't congratulate you when you took second place twice? Someone search my twitter between June 11th~14th, and July 13th~15th and post what I wrote to Alicia. I congratulated him on Twitter, and cheered him up as well, but I didn't get a response from him, so I tried to send him a message via IM asking why he didn't reply, only to hear that he was too busy. Yeah... I guess I interfered too heavily by making sure he always had two boxes of things to eat, even sending rice and a rice cooker because I was worried about how he would deal with food in the USA. I focused only on the Team League? I focused too much on the TeamLeague where all the money goes back to the players? Why would I focus only on the TeamLeague, where there's nothing in it for me. I guess you were e a player who wasn't on a team? Now that I think about, Alicia was too busy asking 'where's my cell phone charger' and looking around after coming back from NASL, to listen to what I had to say about our GSTL preparations. You didn't like that I was fighting other people? The first time we got into trouble with the eSF was because I could get you into NASL3 where you took second place [ Translator's note: BURN] and I told you that much. Still you haven't said sorry, now I remember. Not even caring why I was fighting, trying to make it out that I was doing something wrong. I was still your head coach and team owner...... You had to pay for your own bus trips to the studio after we moved the team house to Gimpo? That's true. But was it always that way? I didn't take you to the studio? So I'm supposed to stop working and take you to the studio? If I couldn't go because of my own schedule, then Cella always went with you, and I gave him a separate check-card for that. They used the Taxi, Bus, and Subway together. Why did I make him take the bus? Because he was losing discipline. And I made sure you knew that. But you talk about it like you had to take a bus for a few hours from some backwater. When the weather was bad, I went to bring you back to the team house a lot of times... But you only take about what was uncomfortable for yo. That's why I decided Alicia doesn't have a professional mindset. You need to stop lying. Before what you really did wrong comes to light....
Having met Jessica at IPL3, I can't believe for an instant that she would purposely do anything to hurt the players. Maybe she was a bit too overprotective, but she really does look out for them.
I would be really interested to know Huk and Idra's thoughts, considering they stayed at the Slayers house for a while.
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On October 18 2012 08:33 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:28 Fenrax wrote:On October 18 2012 08:25 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 08:23 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 08:18 Gorsameth wrote:On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote: It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL. You might want to read the thread. You know, learning that so far most of what Jessica said checks out, while Alicia etc were caught bluntly lying. Would make your tirade look less stupid. Im willing to except everything Jessica said as true. But that doesnt take away the fact that I also believe that most of those issues happend because of her. How does a 2 month old coach manage to poach away your top player. Because his relation with Jessica is already so bad he is willing to accept anything else. Why do all teams gang up on Slayers. It is them being petty or does it have to do with Jessicas personality going against them? Why does a player like Alicia feel left alone by her. Why were people sneaking out to go play LoL. Yes everything said might be correct but to me they all point to a common cause. Jessicas personality and attitude. Wow.. Just wow.. Esf did what they did because they wanted slayers on esf from the beginning. Boxer means money, Esf ban made slayers players practice much harder and thats why people like mr. J got their chance to lure mma. Alicia just lied about being left alone. Thats alredy proven People are playing lol because lol is bigger than sc2 in korea You people need to stop this jessica is fault for everything mentality Pretty much that. Also, its fun to me that Jessica is called "Drama-Queen" by the same community that fuckin went to email sponsors because someone said "Nigger". Thats so hypocritical, i cant even begin to describe how stupid everyone looks that cries about her drama. Yeah, she creates alot of drama. She even fuels it sometimes. But TL loves it, just stop being hypocritical. Sexism might have a lot to do with it. Both with the reactions here on TL and with the problems she had in her team. Many people just have problems accepting a females in a leading position and do a lot to sabotage them. Consciously or subconsciously. I dont think so... Everybody in korea knows jessica. She is a big time actress and heiress to a friggin fortune. Progamers are mostly not that well known or have that kind of wealth. Also she is much older which plays a huge role in korea.
So much for respecting your elders, huh Korea?
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On October 18 2012 08:33 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:28 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 08:27 Waxangel wrote:Jessica's reply to Alicia's interview D: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=4190968Alicia doing that kind of interview, hah... I didn't congratulate you when you took second place twice? Someone search my twitter between June 11th~14th, and July 13th~15th and post what I wrote to Alicia. I congratulated him on Twitter, and cheered him up as well, but I didn't get a response from him, so I tried to send him a message via IM asking why he didn't reply, only to hear that he was too busy. Yeah... I guess I interfered too heavily by making sure he always had two boxes of things to eat, even sending rice and a rice cooker because I was worried about how he would deal with food in the USA. I focused only on the Team League? I focused too much on the TeamLeague where all the money goes back to the players? Why would I focus only on the TeamLeague, where there's nothing in it for me. I guess you were e a player who wasn't on a team? Now that I think about, Alicia was too busy asking 'where's my cell phone charger' and looking around after coming back from NASL, to listen to what I had to say about our GSTL preparations. You didn't like that I was fighting other people? The first time we got into trouble with the eSF was because I could get you into NASL3 where you took second place [ Translator's note: BURN] and I told you that much. Still you haven't said sorry, now I remember. Not even caring why I was fighting, trying to make it out that I was doing something wrong. I was still your head coach and team owner...... You had to pay for your own bus trips to the studio after we moved the team house to Gimpo? That's true. But was it always that way? I didn't take you to the studio? So I'm supposed to stop working and take you to the studio? If I couldn't go because of my own schedule, then Cella always went with you, and I gave him a separate check-card for that. They used the Taxi, Bus, and Subway together. Why did I make him take the bus? Because he was losing discipline. And I made sure you knew that. But you talk about it like you had to take a bus for a few hours from some backwater. When the weather was bad, I went to bring you back to the team house a lot of times... But you only take about what was uncomfortable for yo. That's why I decided Alicia doesn't have a professional mindset. You need to stop lying. Before what you really did wrong comes to light.... Please add to OP. They insist on us reading over 100 pages
Well its not Wax who started the thread, so maybe Wax (and only him!) should send that to the OP via PM. I dont think that the OP will read all pages either.
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I am speechless after reading all of this. The bit about the name-calling and bullying is especially bitter.
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On October 18 2012 08:34 2stra wrote:
You need to stop lying.
Before what you really did wrong comes to light....
what does it mean?
Maybe it's about that "Alicia Incident" which Jessica wouldn't disclose due to legal reasons.
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This is so sad...such a good team torn apart by politics
And it's easy to see why boxer would be hurt by the slavery note thing, if you think back to how he started.Kinda gives you feeling that they newer players have been spoiled, and are just trying to make some quick money and get out.
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Well, Alicia messed up didn't he. He went from looking a little immature to straight up being a liar, and it took all of 2 minutes of fact checking to show he was lying. I'd be interested in knowing what legal actions he could be facing(it was the only thing Jessica didn't explain, so I'm assuming it must be serious), but I just don't care enough about him any more.
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