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Hey guys the real story is that startale, im, prime, tsl, nshs, fxo, zenex, ogs all ganged up and forbid their players to practice with slayers.
Slayers was doing fine up until that happened and then they got isolated for no apparent reason.
The teams mentioned above killed slayers not bad team management. Slayers was the best team of 2011 and did pretty well in 2012 considering
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Jessica actually did tweet at Alicia during his NASL finals, checking up on him to tell him to eat well, good luck and encourage him to keep focus.
-from twitter
+ Show Spoiler +@SlayerSAlicia 상준이도 잘챙기고...액땜 햇다치고...너랑 상준이 없이.. 우린 경기.승리하고 누나도 눈물나게 좋구나. 좋은 결과 가지고 돌아와..
@SlayerSAlicia 양니.. 밥은 챙겨먹엇냐..멘탈관리나 잘해. 어그러진 상황에 열받지말고 가서 경기 할거 생각하고 마인드 컨트롤 하도록...
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On October 18 2012 07:56 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 07:54 zestzorb wrote:On October 18 2012 07:52 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 07:51 zestzorb wrote:On October 18 2012 07:47 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 07:44 Tachion wrote:On October 18 2012 07:37 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 07:33 Tachion wrote:On October 18 2012 07:33 farnham wrote:I saw her tweets.. Its really amazing how alicia can lie so bluntly details please! Basically alicia claimed that she didnt even congratulate her after his second place finishes... In fact she did on twitter and also personally.. If you look at the tweets she sent alicia is the one ignoring her Also one of alicias recent successes was the Nasl 3 second place finish.. Thats the tournament she let him participate despite the boycott (and despite. Oach wons warnings).. So alicia says she doesn't care about individual leagues, yet she sent him to the one that started the whole embargo mess ;p but oh wait, he didn't get a ride to the airport  (((((( pooorrrrr alicia. Also if you look at the tweets she wrote alicia like every hour if he is eating well and such If the things you said are true then I'm very disappointed in Alicia Just check them yourself? Just so you know I couldn't read Korean. If Jessica tweets in English then my apologies, I would take your words for granted. Me neither, but chrome-translator does kind of a good job, more or less. In the context, you can get the grasp. I actually dont know the language which these are in, and i did not mean to be offensive. Just check for yourself if you doubt. 
I have some doubts because farnham's quite leaned towards Jessica's side from the start.
Can I trust you farnham?
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On October 18 2012 08:05 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:02 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 07:51 markrevival wrote:
Having had a day to digest this, I think if/when everyone stops freaking out, you'll be at peace with the reality that this is an organic part of the growth of eSports, or any scene for that matter. There were mistakes made and this didn't have to happen. Nevertheless, it's not the end of the world, or of Korean SC2, and it makes the rest of the SC2 scene no less amazing. StarCraft II has come so far, and set backs like this are a natural part of things.
The biggest tragedy is losing Min, Puzzle, and CoCa to LoL. They were true talents that, if on another team, could have been Code S round of 16 material. They still could be if they don't really switch to LoL. Puzzle and CoCa in particularly were already Code S material without a doubt.
There are a lot of teams out there and a lot of players. Things will fall into place, I'm sure of it. SlayerS was a bad apple, its time to let it decompose and bring new life to the rest of the StarCraft II ecosystem. No esf and coach won is the bad apple not slayers SlayerS is definitely a bad apple, regardless of whether eSF is clean or not.
Esf themselves admitted they blacklisted slayers and please explain why slayers is a bad apple prior dec 2011
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On October 18 2012 06:19 Pr0wler wrote:
The saddest thing about this is that talented RTS gamers like CoCa, Puzzle and Min will waste their talent playing LoL...
I don't think that MMA and Alicia will have any problems in finding new team.
They should have switched to Dota 2 instead T_T
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On October 18 2012 08:07 zestzorb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 07:56 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 07:54 zestzorb wrote:On October 18 2012 07:52 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 07:51 zestzorb wrote:On October 18 2012 07:47 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 07:44 Tachion wrote:On October 18 2012 07:37 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 07:33 Tachion wrote:On October 18 2012 07:33 farnham wrote:
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I saw her tweets.. Its really amazing how alicia can lie so bluntly details please! Basically alicia claimed that she didnt even congratulate her after his second place finishes... In fact she did on twitter and also personally.. If you look at the tweets she sent alicia is the one ignoring her Also one of alicias recent successes was the Nasl 3 second place finish.. Thats the tournament she let him participate despite the boycott (and despite. Oach wons warnings).. So alicia says she doesn't care about individual leagues, yet she sent him to the one that started the whole embargo mess ;p but oh wait, he didn't get a ride to the airport (((((( pooorrrrr alicia. Also if you look at the tweets she wrote alicia like every hour if he is eating well and such If the things you said are true then I'm very disappointed in Alicia Just check them yourself? Just so you know I couldn't read Korean. If Jessica tweets in English then my apologies, I would take your words for granted. Me neither, but chrome-translator does kind of a good job, more or less. In the context, you can get the grasp. I actually dont know the language which these are in, and i did not mean to be offensive. Just check for yourself if you doubt. I have some doubts because farnham's quite leaned towards Jessica's side from the start. Can I trust you farnham?
The posting above yours, mate *whisper* 
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On October 18 2012 08:05 narkissos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:02 Ysellian wrote:On October 18 2012 07:49 KanoCoke wrote:On October 18 2012 07:47 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 07:37 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 07:33 Tachion wrote:On October 18 2012 07:33 farnham wrote:I saw her tweets.. Its really amazing how alicia can lie so bluntly details please! Basically alicia claimed that she didnt even congratulate her after his second place finishes... In fact she did on twitter and also personally.. If you look at the tweets she sent alicia is the one ignoring her Also one of alicias recent successes was the Nasl 3 second place finish.. Thats the tournament she let him participate despite the boycott (and despite. Oach wons warnings).. Which kinda fuels the feeling of them being spoiled brats. For me at least. I remember as a child that i lied blatantly and hoped that my parents never checked that up. Same for Alicia now. In my childhood, i got a good slap or two when i was called lying, and they deserve the same. Stupid kids. You only got slapped? I got whipped, with my dad's leather belt. And that's how I stopped being a compulsive liar. Whipped!? You were lucky! If our parents caught us lying we would have to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before we went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing "Hallelujah." Spoiled brat I could tell stories.
lol XD
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tweet of jessica showing attention towards alicia
when he arrives in canada 'pick up your phone'
then tweet of her showing general concern about eating properly, and preparing himself mentally with 'mind control'
and another tweet about how good results have returned!
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R.I.P. SlayerS, you've always been my favorite team and SC2 will have a hole in it where you used to be forever.
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On October 18 2012 08:07 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:05 achan1058 wrote:On October 18 2012 08:02 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 07:51 markrevival wrote:
Having had a day to digest this, I think if/when everyone stops freaking out, you'll be at peace with the reality that this is an organic part of the growth of eSports, or any scene for that matter. There were mistakes made and this didn't have to happen. Nevertheless, it's not the end of the world, or of Korean SC2, and it makes the rest of the SC2 scene no less amazing. StarCraft II has come so far, and set backs like this are a natural part of things.
The biggest tragedy is losing Min, Puzzle, and CoCa to LoL. They were true talents that, if on another team, could have been Code S round of 16 material. They still could be if they don't really switch to LoL. Puzzle and CoCa in particularly were already Code S material without a doubt.
There are a lot of teams out there and a lot of players. Things will fall into place, I'm sure of it. SlayerS was a bad apple, its time to let it decompose and bring new life to the rest of the StarCraft II ecosystem. No esf and coach won is the bad apple not slayers SlayerS is definitely a bad apple, regardless of whether eSF is clean or not. Esf themselves admitted they blacklisted slayers and please explain why slayers is a bad apple prior dec 2011
Bad management, even if you wish to deny it. Yes, eSF might well have played a role, but that has nothing to do with coach J.
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Fenrax
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On October 18 2012 08:06 bucckevin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 01:57 Waxangel wrote:
Neat, here's another version
NASL Deposits
NASL Season One was announced, and players such as Boxer were preparing to participate. At that time, Startale Head coach Won Jong Wook [Note: Present eSF chair]contacted us saying that NASL 'is not offering flights to Korean players who qualify' and that 'you we cannot participate in foreign tournaments under these conditions,' and 'it would be good if boycotted the tournament.' However, we had already finished our preparations (our sponsor had offered flights and lodging), and thus we had to participate.
It turned out that the other teams participated as well, and PuMa [then on TSL] won the tournament.
When NASL Season 2 began, there was another movement for a boycott, and SlayerS was asked to join. We decided to join the boycott, thinking that we could get a good result regarding the NASL deposit policy which we thought was unfair.
Mr. Won promised that S2con and GomTV would take care of it and get what was needed, and we did not participate in NASL Season 2. However, nothing was gained. I asked Mr. Won whether they tried to talk to NASL at all, to show me the e-mails that went back and forth, but he there wasn't anything of the sort.
Honestly, I do admit that there was some need for NASL to have a deposit policy. They hold their games over a long period of time, and players who are confirmed to miss out on the live finals sometimes decide to not show up for their games and give up. So I did understand the need to fine players for that kind of behavior.
When NASL Season 3 started, we were put in a dilemma again. We boycotted season two, but didn't gain anything, so I told our players to participate, and paid the deposits.
After eight SlayerS players made it through the preliminaries, I got a call from [Team MVP] Head Coach Choi Yoon Sang. His main point was that he was disappointed in us, and that FXO had participated in the preliminaries as well, only to give up participation. I was told to make our eight players give up their spots.
I explained that Mr. Won told me he would show me results, but as there had been none, there was no reason for us to keep boycotting. I also requested that he tell the other head coaches who might be confused, but strangely that word didn’t get around.
Mr. Won could have told the other teams of SlayerS' position, but instead the other teams continued to misunderstand. When I asked him why he didn't tell the other members of S2con, he said he didn't recall what we talked about during the Season 2 boycott. At that time, I could only think those running S2con were very irresponsible.
Because SlayerS competed in NASL, the S2con players were told to blacklist SlayerS players and not help them practice. It wasn't just a ban from practice, they were told to not even chat with them on the ladder.
Some players who were very friendly with our players used their alternate accounts to help them. When I met Mr. Won in person and asked him what was going on, he said 'it's cheap, but we plan to penalize SlayerS in at least this way.'
I complained to Mr.Won, taking player relationships into consideration, and because it was absurd that we were blacklisted for something that wasn't our fault. Mr.Won replied that these problems existed because we were off on our own, not helping them out or joining their organization.
Though I made many complaints, there was no solution to the problem where our players were refused practice, and it was tough for our players. It reached a point where at a tournament in the USA, I told Mr. Won that 'I don't want my players to suffer because of me. I'll disband the team, and you can take our players,' and that 'I'll take proper responsibility for the damages done to our sponsors by disbanding.'
Mr. Won replied that they would have a meeting, and he'd tell me the results. Only then did we get an e-mail saying that the practice-ban had been lifted. I don't know how they thought they could even have gone ahead with such a ban in the first place.
However, when I checked with our players, they said that the practice-ban was only lifted in word, and that it was actually still in place. In reality, S2con players were told to not practice with us, according to an ex-oGs player now on a foreign team.
Indeed, it was because of this issue that our relationship with S2con became irreparable distant. SlayerS and the other teams became like water and oil. When the Blizzard/KeSPA/SC2 vision conference was announced [Note: At the time, S2Con had been disbanded for some time, and there was no team organization for GSL teams], we received a request to join on so they could belatedly form the eSports federation.
I was at a loss for words, that they would arbitrarily penalize us, then ask us to join when they found they needed Boxer on their side. There was no end to my disappointment when they started to go on about being in this business together. Is that why they blacklisted our players from practicing? They were an organization with no semblance of conscience, and of course I turned down joining.
They never requested any reconciliation. When they were continuing to ostracize SlayerS and cutting us out of practice, Mr.Won would always tell me there was no such practice-ban whenever I contacted him. However, players say that the head coaches ordered them not to practice with our players, so I don't know what is the truth. It's laughable that players would accept such orders so easily.
At the same time, they selfishly asked our players to help them practice. You might have seen them thank our players in interviews on occasion.
Even Sleep, who isn't part of SlayerS but staying at our team house, received the same disadvantages, just because he was staying at our house. Even now, this pratice-ban is still going on. If Mr.Won can confidently say that the ban was lifted, and what I'm saying is false, then he's welcome to come out officially.
If you keep in mind that there's an ex-eSF player on SlayerS right now, then you won't be able to deny it. If you want a three way talk, I can tell you who informed us. This ex-oGs player is MC right? He started practicing with MMA after he left oGs.
If MC had the balls to break the practice ban then I will join his fan club immediately.
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On October 18 2012 08:06 Kokujin wrote:Jessica actually did tweet at Alicia during his NASL finals, checking up on him to tell him to eat well, good luck and encourage him to keep focus. -from twitter + Show Spoiler +@SlayerSAlicia 상준이도 잘챙기고...액땜 햇다치고...너랑 상준이 없이.. 우린 경기.승리하고 누나도 눈물나게 좋구나. 좋은 결과 가지고 돌아와..
@SlayerSAlicia 양니.. 밥은 챙겨먹엇냐..멘탈관리나 잘해. 어그러진 상황에 열받지말고 가서 경기 할거 생각하고 마인드 컨트롤 하도록...
Grabs @ SlayerSAlicia sangjun well ... good luck beating haetda ... without you. Sangjun .. We match win and sister Gee's nice. Good results have come back ...
@ SlayerSAlicia yangni Mental management, eating eotnya .. or good. Think going to the game and to distort the situation Do not conform any longer to go to Mind Control ...
courtesy of google translate
That pretty much nails it. Alicia, why u ?
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On October 18 2012 08:07 zestzorb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 07:56 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 07:54 zestzorb wrote:On October 18 2012 07:52 m4inbrain wrote:On October 18 2012 07:51 zestzorb wrote:On October 18 2012 07:47 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 07:44 Tachion wrote:On October 18 2012 07:37 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 07:33 Tachion wrote:On October 18 2012 07:33 farnham wrote:
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I saw her tweets.. Its really amazing how alicia can lie so bluntly details please! Basically alicia claimed that she didnt even congratulate her after his second place finishes... In fact she did on twitter and also personally.. If you look at the tweets she sent alicia is the one ignoring her Also one of alicias recent successes was the Nasl 3 second place finish.. Thats the tournament she let him participate despite the boycott (and despite. Oach wons warnings).. So alicia says she doesn't care about individual leagues, yet she sent him to the one that started the whole embargo mess ;p but oh wait, he didn't get a ride to the airport (((((( pooorrrrr alicia. Also if you look at the tweets she wrote alicia like every hour if he is eating well and such If the things you said are true then I'm very disappointed in Alicia Just check them yourself? Just so you know I couldn't read Korean. If Jessica tweets in English then my apologies, I would take your words for granted. Me neither, but chrome-translator does kind of a good job, more or less. In the context, you can get the grasp. I actually dont know the language which these are in, and i did not mean to be offensive. Just check for yourself if you doubt. I have some doubts because farnham's quite leaned towards Jessica's side from the start. Can I trust you farnham?
Hey I think she is one of the most passionate persons in the industry and her story makes sense while alicias, hirais and coach wons versions contradict themselves or are just blunt lies
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On October 18 2012 08:06 bucckevin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 01:57 Waxangel wrote:
Neat, here's another version
NASL Deposits
NASL Season One was announced, and players such as Boxer were preparing to participate. At that time, Startale Head coach Won Jong Wook [Note: Present eSF chair]contacted us saying that NASL 'is not offering flights to Korean players who qualify' and that 'you we cannot participate in foreign tournaments under these conditions,' and 'it would be good if boycotted the tournament.' However, we had already finished our preparations (our sponsor had offered flights and lodging), and thus we had to participate.
It turned out that the other teams participated as well, and PuMa [then on TSL] won the tournament.
When NASL Season 2 began, there was another movement for a boycott, and SlayerS was asked to join. We decided to join the boycott, thinking that we could get a good result regarding the NASL deposit policy which we thought was unfair.
Mr. Won promised that S2con and GomTV would take care of it and get what was needed, and we did not participate in NASL Season 2. However, nothing was gained. I asked Mr. Won whether they tried to talk to NASL at all, to show me the e-mails that went back and forth, but he there wasn't anything of the sort.
Honestly, I do admit that there was some need for NASL to have a deposit policy. They hold their games over a long period of time, and players who are confirmed to miss out on the live finals sometimes decide to not show up for their games and give up. So I did understand the need to fine players for that kind of behavior.
When NASL Season 3 started, we were put in a dilemma again. We boycotted season two, but didn't gain anything, so I told our players to participate, and paid the deposits.
After eight SlayerS players made it through the preliminaries, I got a call from [Team MVP] Head Coach Choi Yoon Sang. His main point was that he was disappointed in us, and that FXO had participated in the preliminaries as well, only to give up participation. I was told to make our eight players give up their spots.
I explained that Mr. Won told me he would show me results, but as there had been none, there was no reason for us to keep boycotting. I also requested that he tell the other head coaches who might be confused, but strangely that word didn’t get around.
Mr. Won could have told the other teams of SlayerS' position, but instead the other teams continued to misunderstand. When I asked him why he didn't tell the other members of S2con, he said he didn't recall what we talked about during the Season 2 boycott. At that time, I could only think those running S2con were very irresponsible.
Because SlayerS competed in NASL, the S2con players were told to blacklist SlayerS players and not help them practice. It wasn't just a ban from practice, they were told to not even chat with them on the ladder.
Some players who were very friendly with our players used their alternate accounts to help them. When I met Mr. Won in person and asked him what was going on, he said 'it's cheap, but we plan to penalize SlayerS in at least this way.'
I complained to Mr.Won, taking player relationships into consideration, and because it was absurd that we were blacklisted for something that wasn't our fault. Mr.Won replied that these problems existed because we were off on our own, not helping them out or joining their organization.
Though I made many complaints, there was no solution to the problem where our players were refused practice, and it was tough for our players. It reached a point where at a tournament in the USA, I told Mr. Won that 'I don't want my players to suffer because of me. I'll disband the team, and you can take our players,' and that 'I'll take proper responsibility for the damages done to our sponsors by disbanding.'
Mr. Won replied that they would have a meeting, and he'd tell me the results. Only then did we get an e-mail saying that the practice-ban had been lifted. I don't know how they thought they could even have gone ahead with such a ban in the first place.
However, when I checked with our players, they said that the practice-ban was only lifted in word, and that it was actually still in place. In reality, S2con players were told to not practice with us, according to an ex-oGs player now on a foreign team.
Indeed, it was because of this issue that our relationship with S2con became irreparable distant. SlayerS and the other teams became like water and oil. When the Blizzard/KeSPA/SC2 vision conference was announced [Note: At the time, S2Con had been disbanded for some time, and there was no team organization for GSL teams], we received a request to join on so they could belatedly form the eSports federation.
I was at a loss for words, that they would arbitrarily penalize us, then ask us to join when they found they needed Boxer on their side. There was no end to my disappointment when they started to go on about being in this business together. Is that why they blacklisted our players from practicing? They were an organization with no semblance of conscience, and of course I turned down joining.
They never requested any reconciliation. When they were continuing to ostracize SlayerS and cutting us out of practice, Mr.Won would always tell me there was no such practice-ban whenever I contacted him. However, players say that the head coaches ordered them not to practice with our players, so I don't know what is the truth. It's laughable that players would accept such orders so easily.
At the same time, they selfishly asked our players to help them practice. You might have seen them thank our players in interviews on occasion.
Even Sleep, who isn't part of SlayerS but staying at our team house, received the same disadvantages, just because he was staying at our house. Even now, this pratice-ban is still going on. If Mr.Won can confidently say that the ban was lifted, and what I'm saying is false, then he's welcome to come out officially.
If you keep in mind that there's an ex-eSF player on SlayerS right now, then you won't be able to deny it. If you want a three way talk, I can tell you who informed us. This ex-oGs player is MC right? He started practicing with MMA after he left oGs.
Who the hell knows? Almost every ex-oGs player (MC, Supernova, Inca, TOP, Luvsic, etc.) is on a foreign team now.
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On October 18 2012 08:08 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:06 bucckevin wrote:On October 18 2012 01:57 Waxangel wrote:
Neat, here's another version
NASL Deposits
NASL Season One was announced, and players such as Boxer were preparing to participate. At that time, Startale Head coach Won Jong Wook [Note: Present eSF chair]contacted us saying that NASL 'is not offering flights to Korean players who qualify' and that 'you we cannot participate in foreign tournaments under these conditions,' and 'it would be good if boycotted the tournament.' However, we had already finished our preparations (our sponsor had offered flights and lodging), and thus we had to participate.
It turned out that the other teams participated as well, and PuMa [then on TSL] won the tournament.
When NASL Season 2 began, there was another movement for a boycott, and SlayerS was asked to join. We decided to join the boycott, thinking that we could get a good result regarding the NASL deposit policy which we thought was unfair.
Mr. Won promised that S2con and GomTV would take care of it and get what was needed, and we did not participate in NASL Season 2. However, nothing was gained. I asked Mr. Won whether they tried to talk to NASL at all, to show me the e-mails that went back and forth, but he there wasn't anything of the sort.
Honestly, I do admit that there was some need for NASL to have a deposit policy. They hold their games over a long period of time, and players who are confirmed to miss out on the live finals sometimes decide to not show up for their games and give up. So I did understand the need to fine players for that kind of behavior.
When NASL Season 3 started, we were put in a dilemma again. We boycotted season two, but didn't gain anything, so I told our players to participate, and paid the deposits.
After eight SlayerS players made it through the preliminaries, I got a call from [Team MVP] Head Coach Choi Yoon Sang. His main point was that he was disappointed in us, and that FXO had participated in the preliminaries as well, only to give up participation. I was told to make our eight players give up their spots.
I explained that Mr. Won told me he would show me results, but as there had been none, there was no reason for us to keep boycotting. I also requested that he tell the other head coaches who might be confused, but strangely that word didn’t get around.
Mr. Won could have told the other teams of SlayerS' position, but instead the other teams continued to misunderstand. When I asked him why he didn't tell the other members of S2con, he said he didn't recall what we talked about during the Season 2 boycott. At that time, I could only think those running S2con were very irresponsible.
Because SlayerS competed in NASL, the S2con players were told to blacklist SlayerS players and not help them practice. It wasn't just a ban from practice, they were told to not even chat with them on the ladder.
Some players who were very friendly with our players used their alternate accounts to help them. When I met Mr. Won in person and asked him what was going on, he said 'it's cheap, but we plan to penalize SlayerS in at least this way.'
I complained to Mr.Won, taking player relationships into consideration, and because it was absurd that we were blacklisted for something that wasn't our fault. Mr.Won replied that these problems existed because we were off on our own, not helping them out or joining their organization.
Though I made many complaints, there was no solution to the problem where our players were refused practice, and it was tough for our players. It reached a point where at a tournament in the USA, I told Mr. Won that 'I don't want my players to suffer because of me. I'll disband the team, and you can take our players,' and that 'I'll take proper responsibility for the damages done to our sponsors by disbanding.'
Mr. Won replied that they would have a meeting, and he'd tell me the results. Only then did we get an e-mail saying that the practice-ban had been lifted. I don't know how they thought they could even have gone ahead with such a ban in the first place.
However, when I checked with our players, they said that the practice-ban was only lifted in word, and that it was actually still in place. In reality, S2con players were told to not practice with us, according to an ex-oGs player now on a foreign team.
Indeed, it was because of this issue that our relationship with S2con became irreparable distant. SlayerS and the other teams became like water and oil. When the Blizzard/KeSPA/SC2 vision conference was announced [Note: At the time, S2Con had been disbanded for some time, and there was no team organization for GSL teams], we received a request to join on so they could belatedly form the eSports federation.
I was at a loss for words, that they would arbitrarily penalize us, then ask us to join when they found they needed Boxer on their side. There was no end to my disappointment when they started to go on about being in this business together. Is that why they blacklisted our players from practicing? They were an organization with no semblance of conscience, and of course I turned down joining.
They never requested any reconciliation. When they were continuing to ostracize SlayerS and cutting us out of practice, Mr.Won would always tell me there was no such practice-ban whenever I contacted him. However, players say that the head coaches ordered them not to practice with our players, so I don't know what is the truth. It's laughable that players would accept such orders so easily.
At the same time, they selfishly asked our players to help them practice. You might have seen them thank our players in interviews on occasion.
Even Sleep, who isn't part of SlayerS but staying at our team house, received the same disadvantages, just because he was staying at our house. Even now, this pratice-ban is still going on. If Mr.Won can confidently say that the ban was lifted, and what I'm saying is false, then he's welcome to come out officially.
If you keep in mind that there's an ex-eSF player on SlayerS right now, then you won't be able to deny it. If you want a three way talk, I can tell you who informed us. This ex-oGs player is MC right? He started practicing with MMA after he left oGs. If MC had the balls to break the practice ban then I will join his fan club immediately.
MC has the balls to break anything, even NesTea's decree.
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On October 18 2012 08:08 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:07 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 08:05 achan1058 wrote:On October 18 2012 08:02 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 07:51 markrevival wrote:
Having had a day to digest this, I think if/when everyone stops freaking out, you'll be at peace with the reality that this is an organic part of the growth of eSports, or any scene for that matter. There were mistakes made and this didn't have to happen. Nevertheless, it's not the end of the world, or of Korean SC2, and it makes the rest of the SC2 scene no less amazing. StarCraft II has come so far, and set backs like this are a natural part of things.
The biggest tragedy is losing Min, Puzzle, and CoCa to LoL. They were true talents that, if on another team, could have been Code S round of 16 material. They still could be if they don't really switch to LoL. Puzzle and CoCa in particularly were already Code S material without a doubt.
There are a lot of teams out there and a lot of players. Things will fall into place, I'm sure of it. SlayerS was a bad apple, its time to let it decompose and bring new life to the rest of the StarCraft II ecosystem. No esf and coach won is the bad apple not slayers SlayerS is definitely a bad apple, regardless of whether eSF is clean or not. Esf themselves admitted they blacklisted slayers and please explain why slayers is a bad apple prior dec 2011 Bad management, even if you wish to deny it. Yes, eSF might well have played a role, but that has nothing to do with coach J.
So they made one mistake by hiring a shady guy while establishing the most successful team of 2011
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Wow, even from Jessica's letter, I can see a whole cluster-fuck of mismanagement.
1) You sent an employee of 2 months to go alone and negotiate the biggest sponsorship deals? WTF! That's your lifeblood. To only send one guy and to have that one guy be new to your organization is one of the dumbest things you can do. Does EG hire a guy and then have him negotiate with sponsors within the first 2 months? Fuck no. They send Scoots (a proven veteran) and I wouldn't be shocked if Alex Garfield also went along for the bigger deals. For any of these Slayers sponsorship deals, at a minimum, Jessica or Boxer should have gone. In any big deal, both should have gone and if they trusted J, then have him go along to learn. What they did was terrible terrible damage to their own organization.
2) You can't pick up your own player from the airport or have one of your coaches go with your player to the studio for an important match? Is it really that hard to do some basic time management to take care of your players? Picking up players from the airport: that's what a 2 month manager, like J, is for. If not him, are you telling me that you can't hire a fan to drive Alicia home from the airport? And really, shouldn't the coach be at any Studio match? He's there to coach, right? You can say that Alicia is being petty, but that's still shitty management.
3) Complaining about getting blacklisted by other teams. It has been customary for Korean teams to help each other, but it is not their job. It is their job to beat you. There's a ladder and there's plenty of members within Slayers. There are also a whole bunch of amateurs who'd love to help out if you look for them. You shouldn't need the other teams to help you practice. I've coached plenty of youth hockey and I'd say my players are more likely to get into a fight than a helpful conversation about hockey if they ever meet opponents from an opposing team off the ice. It's nice when you can get some friendly rivals and learn from them, but you can't rely on it as a manager/coach.
4) You internally blacklist MMA because he's a "cancer". Angry about being blacklisted by other teams, but you have no problem blacklisting your own players from their primary source of practice/friendship? WTF. Can it really get any stupider than that? Rather than developing a good relationship with these players and between the players, the Slayers management continually tries to drive the players apart and away. You can see that in how they dealt with Crank and MMA by their own admission. They even "made a path" for Clide because he was hanging out with MMA. That path: end his career as a player. Awesome path Jessica.
It's amazing how it seems like every established member of Slayers turned against Jessica or just wanted out like Taeja (he so lazy!!! Nice parting shot on a guy who caused you no problems Jessica). It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL.
Damn, Jessica's management was the blue flame to the drone line that was Slayers.
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On October 18 2012 08:11 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:08 achan1058 wrote:On October 18 2012 08:07 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 08:05 achan1058 wrote:On October 18 2012 08:02 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 07:51 markrevival wrote:
Having had a day to digest this, I think if/when everyone stops freaking out, you'll be at peace with the reality that this is an organic part of the growth of eSports, or any scene for that matter. There were mistakes made and this didn't have to happen. Nevertheless, it's not the end of the world, or of Korean SC2, and it makes the rest of the SC2 scene no less amazing. StarCraft II has come so far, and set backs like this are a natural part of things.
The biggest tragedy is losing Min, Puzzle, and CoCa to LoL. They were true talents that, if on another team, could have been Code S round of 16 material. They still could be if they don't really switch to LoL. Puzzle and CoCa in particularly were already Code S material without a doubt.
There are a lot of teams out there and a lot of players. Things will fall into place, I'm sure of it. SlayerS was a bad apple, its time to let it decompose and bring new life to the rest of the StarCraft II ecosystem. No esf and coach won is the bad apple not slayers SlayerS is definitely a bad apple, regardless of whether eSF is clean or not. Esf themselves admitted they blacklisted slayers and please explain why slayers is a bad apple prior dec 2011 Bad management, even if you wish to deny it. Yes, eSF might well have played a role, but that has nothing to do with coach J. So they made one mistake by hiring a shady guy while establishing the most successful team of 2011
There are companies that are successful at the start, then failed afterwards, even if management did not change. (Think RIM.)
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Genius is really the man.. He is still loyal to jessica and he joined despite of the embargo.. What a boss
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