Slayers to disband - Page 92

On October 18 2012 07:27 Waxangel wrote:
Jessica replied to Alicia's ESFI interview

http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=4190968

On October 18 2012 07:53 SirPinky wrote:
Sorrybut I think Alicia's posts lacks maturity and professionalism. Regardless of who is "in the right," keep it concise and formal; I felt like i was reading a never ending soap opera littered with Alicia's need to feel vindicated. EG has always done a good job of being discrete, yet straightforward with team situations and/or players. Maybe it was the translation but this looked like "stream of consciousness" from Alicia. It probably would have been better to skip the messy details and annouce the team was disbanding due to "irreconcilable differences between management, sponsors and players."

Either way, sad to see the team go.

On October 18 2012 07:54 zestzorb wrote:

Just so you know I couldn't read Korean.
If Jessica tweets in English then my apologies, I would take your words for granted.

On October 18 2012 07:37 farnham wrote:

Basically alicia claimed that she didnt even congratulate her after his second place finishes... In fact she did on twitter and also personally.. If you look at the tweets she sent alicia is the one ignoring her

Also one of alicias recent successes was the Nasl 3 second place finish.. Thats the tournament she let him participate despite the boycott (and despite. Oach wons warnings)..

On October 18 2012 07:55 m4inbrain wrote:


EG never disbanded afaik. So its kinda pointless to compare this to how EG handles things. I actually do believe that, if EG would be disbanded because of the same reasons, you would have the same shitstorm. Maybe not started by the manager, but still.

On October 18 2012 07:55 m4inbrain wrote:


EG never disbanded afaik. So its kinda pointless to compare this to how EG handles things. I actually do believe that, if EG would be disbanded because of the same reasons, you would have the same shitstorm. Maybe not started by the manager, but still.

On October 18 2012 07:51 markrevival wrote:
Having had a day to digest this, I think if/when everyone stops freaking out, you'll be at peace with the reality that this is an organic part of the growth of eSports, or any scene for that matter. There were mistakes made and this didn't have to happen. Nevertheless, it's not the end of the world, or of Korean SC2, and it makes the rest of the SC2 scene no less amazing. StarCraft II has come so far, and set backs like this are a natural part of things.

The biggest tragedy is losing Min, Puzzle, and CoCa to LoL. They were true talents that, if on another team, could have been Code S round of 16 material. They still could be if they don't really switch to LoL. Puzzle and CoCa in particularly were already Code S material without a doubt.

There are a lot of teams out there and a lot of players. Things will fall into place, I'm sure of it. SlayerS was a bad apple, its time to let it decompose and bring new life to the rest of the StarCraft II ecosystem.

On October 18 2012 07:49 KanoCoke wrote:

You only got slapped?

I got whipped, with my dad's leather belt. And that's how I stopped being a compulsive liar.

On October 18 2012 07:58 justinpal wrote:


EG communicates way too well to disband in this manner. The reason they are disbanding is because the players don't communicate their wants with the manager and the team. Also, the team seems very very poorly run.

On October 18 2012 08:02 Ysellian wrote:


Whipped!? You were lucky! If our parents caught us lying we would have to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before we went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing "Hallelujah."

On October 18 2012 08:02 farnham wrote:

No esf and coach won is the bad apple not slayers

On October 18 2012 08:02 Ysellian wrote:


Whipped!? You were lucky! If our parents caught us lying we would have to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before we went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing "Hallelujah."

On October 18 2012 08:04 TeeTS wrote:
So as expected both Alicia and Coach Hirai contradict Jessica's version of those particular incidents. So I think before judging about this esF embargo, you should wait until you hear the other side of the story. It's definately a very harsch move and I really can't see it being only motivated by Slayers joining NASL3. There will be definately more. Alicia blamed Jessica in his interview for being horrible in interacting with other teams... I wonder why that is!

On October 18 2012 01:57 Waxangel wrote:
Neat, here's another version

NASL Deposits


NASL Season One was announced, and players such as Boxer were preparing to participate. At that time, Startale Head coach Won Jong Wook [Note: Present eSF chair]contacted us saying that NASL 'is not offering flights to Korean players who qualify' and that 'you we cannot participate in foreign tournaments under these conditions,' and 'it would be good if boycotted the tournament.' However, we had already finished our preparations (our sponsor had offered flights and lodging), and thus we had to participate.

It turned out that the other teams participated as well, and PuMa [then on TSL] won the tournament.

When NASL Season 2 began, there was another movement for a boycott, and SlayerS was asked to join. We decided to join the boycott, thinking that we could get a good result regarding the NASL deposit policy which we thought was unfair.

Mr. Won promised that S2con and GomTV would take care of it and get what was needed, and we did not participate in NASL Season 2. However, nothing was gained. I asked Mr. Won whether they tried to talk to NASL at all, to show me the e-mails that went back and forth, but he there wasn't anything of the sort.

Honestly, I do admit that there was some need for NASL to have a deposit policy. They hold their games over a long period of time, and players who are confirmed to miss out on the live finals sometimes decide to not show up for their games and give up. So I did understand the need to fine players for that kind of behavior.

When NASL Season 3 started, we were put in a dilemma again. We boycotted season two, but didn't gain anything, so I told our players to participate, and paid the deposits.

After eight SlayerS players made it through the preliminaries, I got a call from [Team MVP] Head Coach Choi Yoon Sang. His main point was that he was disappointed in us, and that FXO had participated in the preliminaries as well, only to give up participation. I was told to make our eight players give up their spots.

I explained that Mr. Won told me he would show me results, but as there had been none, there was no reason for us to keep boycotting. I also requested that he tell the other head coaches who might be confused, but strangely that word didn’t get around.

Mr. Won could have told the other teams of SlayerS' position, but instead the other teams continued to misunderstand. When I asked him why he didn't tell the other members of S2con, he said he didn't recall what we talked about during the Season 2 boycott. At that time, I could only think those running S2con were very irresponsible.

Because SlayerS competed in NASL, the S2con players were told to blacklist SlayerS players and not help them practice. It wasn't just a ban from practice, they were told to not even chat with them on the ladder.

Some players who were very friendly with our players used their alternate accounts to help them. When I met Mr. Won in person and asked him what was going on, he said 'it's cheap, but we plan to penalize SlayerS in at least this way.'


I complained to Mr.Won, taking player relationships into consideration, and because it was absurd that we were blacklisted for something that wasn't our fault. Mr.Won replied that these problems existed because we were off on our own, not helping them out or joining their organization.

Though I made many complaints, there was no solution to the problem where our players were refused practice, and it was tough for our players. It reached a point where at a tournament in the USA, I told Mr. Won that 'I don't want my players to suffer because of me. I'll disband the team, and you can take our players,' and that 'I'll take proper responsibility for the damages done to our sponsors by disbanding.'

Mr. Won replied that they would have a meeting, and he'd tell me the results. Only then did we get an e-mail saying that the practice-ban had been lifted. I don't know how they thought they could even have gone ahead with such a ban in the first place.

However, when I checked with our players, they said that the practice-ban was only lifted in word, and that it was actually still in place. In reality, S2con players were told to not practice with us, according to an ex-oGs player now on a foreign team.

Indeed, it was because of this issue that our relationship with S2con became irreparable distant. SlayerS and the other teams became like water and oil. When the Blizzard/KeSPA/SC2 vision conference was announced [Note: At the time, S2Con had been disbanded for some time, and there was no team organization for GSL teams], we received a request to join on so they could belatedly form the eSports federation.


I was at a loss for words, that they would arbitrarily penalize us, then ask us to join when they found they needed Boxer on their side. There was no end to my disappointment when they started to go on about being in this business together. Is that why they blacklisted our players from practicing? They were an organization with no semblance of conscience, and of course I turned down joining.

They never requested any reconciliation. When they were continuing to ostracize SlayerS and cutting us out of practice, Mr.Won would always tell me there was no such practice-ban whenever I contacted him. However, players say that the head coaches ordered them not to practice with our players, so I don't know what is the truth. It's laughable that players would accept such orders so easily.

At the same time, they selfishly asked our players to help them practice. You might have seen them thank our players in interviews on occasion.

Even Sleep, who isn't part of SlayerS but staying at our team house, received the same disadvantages, just because he was staying at our house. Even now, this pratice-ban is still going on. If Mr.Won can confidently say that the ban was lifted, and what I'm saying is false, then he's welcome to come out officially.

If you keep in mind that there's an ex-eSF player on SlayerS right now, then you won't be able to deny it. If you want a three way talk, I can tell you who informed us.