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theatreofwar
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada60 Posts
October 17 2012 14:42 GMT
#601
On October 17 2012 22:55 RoninKenshin wrote:

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Poor Eve. What will she do now? And how will I be able to meet her and her incredibly cute friends if she no longer has reason to show up to events?

On a side note, Cella told me once that Intel sponsorship was only designated for Boxer. So while they Slayers was one of the richest teams during conception, it was all in Boxer/Jessica pockets. I'm sure they dug into that to fund the house and what not, but the players were definitely not paid even close to substantially. And even if they did pay out the entire $200,000 + other sponsorships to the players, it would still just amount to your basic full-time minimum wage salary at best (in the meagre Korean minimum wage, not the luxurious other country ones).

The problem with all of the GSL teams was that they were created without major sponsors in hopes that SC2 would become incredibly popular and that they would cash out. The wave wasn't as big as they thought, and both teams and players stuck with it as long as possible in order to see if they could make it. This leads massive player hops, especially when someone suddenly breaks out and the spotlight is on him. Sure players were bound by contracts, but when your compensation is like $500 a month, and you're a minor without enough of a reputation/assets to care about being sued, those contracts mean very little to you. Fast forward to today, none of Slayers A-team sees a point in chasing the dream any more and realize that LoL seems to be a more lucrative option (but will probably succumb to the same problems, as the system is essentially the same, just the viewership is a bit higher).

Every single Kespa team (save team 8) is backed by the largest companies in Korea, and receives enough money to pay 6 figure salaries to their top players, compensation that would be worth sacrificing a regular job for to mid performers and the rest, as well as take entire teams of 15-25 to Hawaii or whatever for Proleague celebrations/training camps. We're talking well over the $1 million mark to make a team worth joining (and sacrificing your chances of getting accepted into a good university, which is what Koreans live and die for).

Long story short, this is not Boxer's fault. This is not Jessica's fault. This certainly isn't sweet beautiful Eve's fault. This is simply a result of projected returns on investment not being realized during the GSL gold rush. Luckily IM got LG and ST got Redbull, although I'm sure that they do not receive as much money as Kespa teams. Management for GSL teams strikes me as a bit incompetent.

You can go as far as to say that this is GSL's fault. They created a league for the game while it was still in beta with a massive prize pool that seemed too good to pass up. At a rate of one massive tournament per month/2months in which 64 spots got paid and first place was $100,000 and 2nd place $50,000, people had to scramble to turn their clans of friends into "teams," and never had time to establish proper contracts, operation systems, long term plans, competent management, and so on. Today could be very different if GSL had a smaller tournament for the Beta, and gave time for teams to properly form before the next tournaments, so as to not leave room for all the player stealing/leaving/dissatisfaction controversies we've had over these past 2 years that scare away sponsors.

Makes you think.

I love Eve.




*speechless* I'm in awe of this post, but I honestly only turned into pro-SC2 just after the first few seasons of GSL.. Would love to see what others with more knowledge think about this post.
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
October 17 2012 14:42 GMT
#602
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44585 Posts
October 17 2012 14:42 GMT
#603
Boxer was really shocked because he devoted all his time and billions of money to run the team, but the players would only turn around and curse at him.


My heart...

SKT T1? Amazingly successful.

Air Force ACE? Exactly what pro-gamers needed while completing their mandatory 2-year military service.

SlayerS? Ended in a clusterfuck x.x Had some of the best players at one point, but everything just... exploded
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
October 17 2012 14:42 GMT
#604
This just keeps getting worse and worse ;_;
The universe created an audience for itself.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44585 Posts
October 17 2012 14:43 GMT
#605
On October 17 2012 23:42 Inori wrote:
What a drama.
Then again not surprising, considering biggest drama queen of e-sports is involved..


Shit, what did Stephano do now?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 17 2012 14:43 GMT
#606
To be honest this sounds like Jessica's fault, if all the players were complaining what does that say about how the team is run?
Moderatorlickypiddy
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
October 17 2012 14:43 GMT
#607
Jessica is an inept manager but it is very unrealistic to see her mismanagement as the root problem of why the team had to disband. I'd call it a train wreck, really. There's simply no way Jessica can cause MMA to slump out of the blue.

The problem with ESF is with their shitty politics and unstable finances. We've seen what they tried to do to Kespa teams, it's quite likely that they tried to pull their weight around with Slayers as well, despite them being the most financially independent new team. We've also seen intra-ESF squabbles and whatnot.

Kespa teams have been fierce rivals but apart from 1-2 scandalous issues, the relations in the PL have been very very good for many years and they don't feel the need to do funny stuff to get ahead or use strongarm tactics to get other teams to agree with them. That's really because they are well sponsored and represent some of the largest and most established companies in Korea - you really have to be professional.

That's why so many players in the ESF teams are constantly shoved into a revolving door - in one season, out the other, many of them B and C teamers in turmoil - while the Kespa players who have decided to transition into sc2 are giving their all, which is why some of them can already go toe-to-toe with the best players in their debut season. It's not because they're inherently better or all that bullshit, but because financially they feel secure, the team atmosphere is disciplined and trades/transfers are done in a professional manner, so that they can concentrate on their game.

Don't think Slayers will be the last to go in the ESF.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
October 17 2012 14:44 GMT
#608
On October 17 2012 23:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 23:42 Inori wrote:
What a drama.
Then again not surprising, considering biggest drama queen of e-sports is involved..


Shit, what did Stephano do now?


OH NO SHE DIDN'T! :DDD


I can't wait for MMA's side of the story...
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
October 17 2012 14:44 GMT
#609
IMMMA and IMRyung please.
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
October 17 2012 14:44 GMT
#610
On October 17 2012 23:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 23:42 Inori wrote:
What a drama.
Then again not surprising, considering biggest drama queen of e-sports is involved..


Shit, what did Stephano do now?


Hahahah I LOL'ed *slow clap*
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RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
October 17 2012 14:45 GMT
#611
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iGn1t3
Profile Joined May 2011
Hong Kong73 Posts
October 17 2012 14:46 GMT
#612
omg... this is so sad...
I lose today to win tomorrow.
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
October 17 2012 14:47 GMT
#613
Boxer and Jessica should just withdraw from the whole esports scene. The community doesn't deserve them.
ggaemo fan
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
October 17 2012 14:47 GMT
#614
Dear god, I just hope Puzzle/Coca switch to DOTA2 so that I can keep being a fan. LoL really isn't entertaining to watch (or play, relatively, IMO).
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
October 17 2012 14:47 GMT
#615
._. slayers disbanding is just not something I was prepared for
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Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
October 17 2012 14:47 GMT
#616


Wow, I really don't know what to say. All the signs were there, a lot of us saw it coming, but this just sucks.

CoCa...he was always my favorite Zerg player to watch. I'm so sad right now.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
6BiT
Profile Joined December 2011
513 Posts
October 17 2012 14:48 GMT
#617
On October 17 2012 23:37 shArklight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 23:36 6BiT wrote:
NesTea ... wake up from this nightmare


Nestea is gone...there is only Zergbong and we live in this twisted world of his now.

T.T


lol I hear ya =/
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Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
October 17 2012 14:48 GMT
#618
Reading Jessica's side of the story though... what she's saying makes sense. I heard the Intel sponsorship was just for Boxer, not SlayerS, so it seems like it would be funded through their own pockets... I'm extremely curious what this Monsieur J guy told the players to make them turn against Boxer/Jessica in such a manner. They all seemed so close... :'(

I love crazymoving
sickzee
Profile Joined July 2012
Croatia15 Posts
October 17 2012 14:49 GMT
#619
please no
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
October 17 2012 14:49 GMT
#620
On October 17 2012 23:47 Jehct wrote:
Dear god, I just hope Puzzle/Coca switch to DOTA2 so that I can keep being a fan. LoL really isn't entertaining to watch (or play, relatively, IMO).


Unliekly sadly.
LoL is dominant over dota in Korea it seems. :-(
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