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On October 18 2012 10:25 bucckevin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 10:12 babylon wrote:On October 18 2012 10:11 megacrack wrote:On October 18 2012 10:08 Swagtoss wrote:Any tldr translation of this would be much appreciated coach won is a great guy etc etc.. he banned us from training with tsl and slayers but that ended after one month, we were also shocked that he told us to not train. but he is a great guy i wont be in this team if he wasnt.. Ace seems like a guy with enough character to tell it like it is. But maybe that is because I'm an Ace fan ... he is right in that very, very, very few players have ever left ST. Yeah but it's like him saying, well yeah it sucks for SlayerS that they couldn't practice with us but that's not my problem so I'm all cool. Basically, ST coach is cool if you're on his side, otherwise you're fucked.
Because you know that is exactly what happened right?
The way I see it is that at the time Slayers was the only team with money, so they wanted to play foreign leagues, but the other teams didn't have the money to send players, to to protect their interests they wanted no Koreans to attend foreign events. Slayers wanted to send players, so to prevent them from doing that the other teams decided to have a practice embargo. Sure it sucks, but I can understand the other teams position as well.
To be honest no one is getting away looking good here at all, which can only hurt the Korean scene at the moment. 
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Before what you really did wrong comes to light.... (jessica to alicia)
EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On October 18 2012 10:22 Waxangel wrote:http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=127949&db=issueA Fomos article has what appears to be a preliminary statement from eSF chair Mr. Won (also Startale head coach). It seems unlikely that this is all the eSF has to say, and more will probably follow. But for now, here are the statements from the Fomos article. "We have things to say as well... ...we admit to a degree that there was friction with SlayerS, but it's not something over a couple of days, so if one side comes out emotionally, the problem can't help but expand. It's unfortunate that this situation occurred." "If we really wanted to ostracize SlayerS, we could have excluded them very thoroughly, but that's not the case at all. Instead, we did a lot together, and worked to treat them the same as other teams even though they were not part of the federation... ...there was a time where [players were] ordered not to practice [with SlayerS players], but it was only for a short period. There is no ban now. At the time, SlayerS kept acting selfishly, so the teams had no choice but to cooperate and penalize them."
That's a very nice way of saying "we screwed them since they wouldn't do what we want".
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On October 18 2012 10:26 Nostalgia.NA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 10:24 Darkaros wrote:
Uh, is it just me or did Ace delete his post? I did see it on FaceBook before, but not now. Yea he did, it seems. There is a screenshot image of his post that's going around though..so he can't undo what he did. He probably took it down after seeing how the communities were reacting to it.
How did the community react?
It was only poster a few hours ago, how could something have already happened?
Boy, I'm so behind this whole thing.
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On October 18 2012 10:28 Darkaros wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 10:26 Nostalgia.NA wrote:On October 18 2012 10:24 Darkaros wrote:
Uh, is it just me or did Ace delete his post? I did see it on FaceBook before, but not now. Yea he did, it seems. There is a screenshot image of his post that's going around though..so he can't undo what he did. He probably took it down after seeing how the communities were reacting to it. He just posted another message, is it the same or an edited one? :/
It's a different one explaining what he posted before. I'll add it to the first page.
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On October 18 2012 10:22 Waxangel wrote:http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=127949&db=issueA Fomos article has what appears to be a preliminary statement from eSF chair Mr. Won (also Startale head coach). It seems unlikely that this is all the eSF has to say, and more will probably follow. But for now, here are the statements from the Fomos article. "We have things to say as well... ...we admit to a degree that there was friction with SlayerS, but it's not something over a couple of days, so if one side comes out emotionally, the problem can't help but expand. It's unfortunate that this situation occurred." "If we really wanted to ostracize SlayerS, we could have excluded them very thoroughly, but that's not the case at all. Instead, we did a lot together, and worked to treat them the same as other teams even though they were not part of the federation... ...there was a time where [players were] ordered not to practice [with SlayerS players], but it was only for a short period. There is no ban now. At the time, SlayerS kept acting selfishly, so the teams had no choice but to cooperate and penalize them."
I wouldn't trust them on the "short period". I had looked at GSL interviews in April and May, and none of the Slayers members thanked any practice partners outside of their team. In fact, going back further in the months, I still don't see them thanking members of the ESF teams for practice at all.
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t all started when Slayers decided not to join the Federation. Its just that simple. Slayers had the best sponsor (Intel) at the beginning, they had Boxer as their icon, they won GSTL twice in a row, so the Federation thought what a cocky motherfucker who thinks she can succeed without joining them lets teach her a lesson.
Despite my respect to Jessica's courage, passion and decisiveness, she lacked the intelligence, experience and management skill to deal with what Federation gonna throw at Slayers. The fact that she believed in everything the coaches from Federation told her about NASL and the practice restrictions proved that she didn't even predict that Federation was going to do something on her team. I even believe that Mr J comes from the Federation as well. I can see why the young players were easily influenced by the boycott from other team since the Manager didn't have the skill to shield them from all these.
The killing blow that proved Jessica is no manager material was when she decided to discontinue some foreign sponsorships and thinks that she can run the team by her own. Unless the team is owned by Abu Dhabi or Abramovich, u need steady sponsorships to bring your team to a better place. What will the players think when the manager cut off sponsors? "For god sake our team will never be rich enough to pay us salary one day" Be realistic, the players gave up studies and other job, hoping to make a living with pro gaming. If you really care for the players, sometimes u need to put down your pride and meet the sponsors requirement.
This is the saddest day of my SC2 life, not because of the Slayers team, but we might never see Boxer coming back as a progamer anymore.
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On October 18 2012 10:25 bucckevin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 10:12 babylon wrote:On October 18 2012 10:11 megacrack wrote:On October 18 2012 10:08 Swagtoss wrote:Any tldr translation of this would be much appreciated coach won is a great guy etc etc.. he banned us from training with tsl and slayers but that ended after one month, we were also shocked that he told us to not train. but he is a great guy i wont be in this team if he wasnt.. Ace seems like a guy with enough character to tell it like it is. But maybe that is because I'm an Ace fan ... he is right in that very, very, very few players have ever left ST. Yeah but it's like him saying, well yeah it sucks for SlayerS that they couldn't practice with us but that's not my problem so I'm all cool. Basically, ST coach is cool if you're on his side, otherwise you're fucked.
Well, he says that the decision was wrong, says that the players were surprised, and says that the ban was lifted after a month. What else is there for him to say? You can't undo what happened in the past. If there was a practice embargo, there was a practice embargo; you can only apologize for it and move onwards.
Hope this drama dies down.
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Everybody here is bashing Jessica and nobody is thinking of BoxeR..... HE SPENT $90,000 on this team and after like 2 years they disband??
PS: What is up with MMA causing all this drama? I seriously didn't have the slightest clue that they were in sooooo much drama
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On October 18 2012 09:58 Cubu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 08:57 Fionn wrote:On October 18 2012 08:49 m1rk3 wrote:
Sad Day. Sc2 dead? hope not. Slayers has been dead for a while. SC2 isn't dead. SC2 is like a city with a few restaurants. Now KeSPA has moved into the town and laid done some more places to eat. Teams and players are going to leave the food biz and find something else to do. It's going to be a dog eat dog world where only the strong survive. What?! I was actually thinking the other way around. That Sc2 has been dying for a while in korea. And what do you mean slayers has been dead for a while? Seemed fine prior to the announcement.
Slayers looked really bad, and then they had their team league finals which was their last hope, and they were all killed. Add the death of the king of Code A into that and they have basically been dead to me for a decent time before this announcement. I was just wondering how the team would resurge, but it didn't.
As for Sc2 slowly dying, not yet. OGN just came in and kespa players. GSL is sustained by foreign monies(us) so I'm doubtful they can die and OGN isn't tanking yet.
So yes, Slayers has been deadish and no SC2 doesn;t look like it is dieing, in my opinion.
Edit: Obligatory conspiracy theory: J=The number J= Day9 is J.
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On October 18 2012 10:31 gengka wrote:
t all started when Slayers decided not to join the Federation. Its just that simple. Slayers had the best sponsor (Intel) at the beginning, they had Boxer as their icon, they won GSTL twice in a row, so the Federation thought what a cocky motherfucker who thinks she can succeed without joining them lets teach her a lesson.
Despite my respect to Jessica's courage, passion and decisiveness, she lacked the intelligence, experience and management skill to deal with what Federation gonna throw at Slayers. The fact that she believed in everything the coaches from Federation told her about NASL and the practice restrictions proved that she didn't even predict that Federation was going to do something on her team. I even believe that Mr J comes from the Federation as well. I can see why the young players were easily influenced by the boycott from other team since the Manager didn't have the skill to shield them from all these.
The killing blow that proved Jessica is no manager material was when she decided to discontinue some foreign sponsorships and thinks that she can run the team by her own. Unless the team is owned by Abu Dhabi or Abramovich, u need steady sponsorships to bring your team to a better place. What will the players think when the manager cut off sponsors? "For god sake our team will never be rich enough to pay us salary one day" Be realistic, the players gave up studies and other job, hoping to make a living with pro gaming. If you really care for the players, sometimes u need to put down your pride and meet the sponsors requirement.
This is the saddest day of my SC2 life, not because of the Slayers team, but we might never see Boxer coming back as a progamer anymore.
Hey man, BoxeR wasn't going to back to progaming regardless of SlayerS' fate.
On October 18 2012 10:35 Bippzy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 09:58 Cubu wrote:On October 18 2012 08:57 Fionn wrote:On October 18 2012 08:49 m1rk3 wrote:
Sad Day. Sc2 dead? hope not. Slayers has been dead for a while. SC2 isn't dead. SC2 is like a city with a few restaurants. Now KeSPA has moved into the town and laid done some more places to eat. Teams and players are going to leave the food biz and find something else to do. It's going to be a dog eat dog world where only the strong survive. What?! I was actually thinking the other way around. That Sc2 has been dying for a while in korea. And what do you mean slayers has been dead for a while? Seemed fine prior to the announcement. Slayers looked really bad, and then they had their team league finals which was their last hope, and they were all killed. Add the death of the king of Code A into that and they have basically been dead to me for a decent time before this announcement. I was just wondering how the team would resurge, but it didn't. As for Sc2 slowly dying, not yet. OGN just came in and kespa players. GSL is sustained by foreign monies(us) so I'm doubtful they can die and OGN isn't tanking yet. So yes, Slayers has been deadish and no SC2 doesn;t look like it is dieing, in my opinion.
Only reason why Kespa was special is because of their governmental influences with AirForce Ace so that players will have a brighter future in progaming.
Now that Ace have disbanded because of StarCraft 2's failure, Kespa is just any other organization that is dwindling in shape.
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On October 18 2012 10:35 Dontkillme wrote:Everybody here is bashing Jessica and nobody is thinking of BoxeR..... HE SPENT $90,000 on this team and after like 2 years they disband?? PS: What is up with MMA causing all this drama? I seriously didn't have the slightest clue that they were in sooooo much drama
seems like two things happened to MMA,
1. became a star, getting a big head and thinking he is special
2. the "J" fellow catching on to this, and feeding MMA malicious thoughts in an effort to get MMA on to his new team.
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Alicia is looking pretty bad in all of this... but I still don't see what's with the big "MMA" incident? Okay... so he believes that Jessica was embezzling money, that kind of belief doesn't come out of thin air. There must have been a lot of bad blood going on in the house or between them long before it came to that. I'm going to reserve my judgment on that until we hear MMA's side of the story.
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On October 18 2012 10:31 Woizit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 10:22 Waxangel wrote:http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=127949&db=issueA Fomos article has what appears to be a preliminary statement from eSF chair Mr. Won (also Startale head coach). It seems unlikely that this is all the eSF has to say, and more will probably follow. But for now, here are the statements from the Fomos article. "We have things to say as well... ...we admit to a degree that there was friction with SlayerS, but it's not something over a couple of days, so if one side comes out emotionally, the problem can't help but expand. It's unfortunate that this situation occurred." "If we really wanted to ostracize SlayerS, we could have excluded them very thoroughly, but that's not the case at all. Instead, we did a lot together, and worked to treat them the same as other teams even though they were not part of the federation... ...there was a time where [players were] ordered not to practice [with SlayerS players], but it was only for a short period. There is no ban now. At the time, SlayerS kept acting selfishly, so the teams had no choice but to cooperate and penalize them." I wouldn't trust them on the "short period". I had looked at GSL interviews in April and May, and none of the Slayers members thanked any practice partners outside of their team. In fact, going back further in the months, I still don't see them thanking members of the ESF teams for practice at all.
This.
I also found it interesting, I can't trust anything ESF has to say... Who do we even believe now as the fans?
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That sucks so much.. Hope the players find new teams Long live SlayerS
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The emperor has no clothes. /sad
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SlayerS was in deep trouble for awhile. We have all seen this coming especially with how MMA just disappeared suddenly. The feeling of something was super wrong kept nagging at me and the moment BoxeR went back to his true home in SKT, I realized he knew SlayerS was dead. (I watched BW for a long time, SKT was my favorite  )
I don't think this is all Jessica's fault. Sure she probably made one or two mistakes along the way but she is human, a bit over protective by her history but that's fine. In the end the players didn't cooperate to sort things out and just drifted apart instead of trying to find some common ground. This is a terrible situation for eSF I think, to lose a team like SlayerS when they can really ill-afford to lose anymore. KeSPA is already very well funded, ya they lost a couple of teams (3) but they are still way above in sponsors. This has to be sorted out or everyone will lose something.
I'm not blaming Jessica, while her attitude at times are questionable but in the end she tried her best.
I'm almost certain once KeSPA gets in the door, they will eventually get stronger and unless eSF sort this out, they will never look right in the public's eye. Especially when they admitted to punishing SlayerS.
P.S. I can pretty much guarantee that Fantasy will NEVER treat BoxeR the way MMA did. (if that came out to be true from what has been said in the OP)
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This can be annoying and naggy when you're a 26 year-old manchild trying to make a name for himself. It's disgusting how he expects the team to cater to his emotional deficits. You manager is your captain's girlfriend and just so happens to be very vocal. She also cares for the team a lot and fights relentlessly for your benefit. Get over it Princess_Alicia. Oh wait, its kind of too late - because you destroyed a great thing for yourself.
The whole thing is like some terrible train wreck, but its really hard to hate on Jessica - especially when her 'kids' are so ungrateful. How can you call yourself a good team member if you only complain, think of yourself, and NOT acknowledge your own power to improve the team environment? I just don't understand how you can become such a spoiled brat. All the pampering, the team meals that they don't have to cook, the team football matches, the team house, everything handed to them. And they still expect to be paid on top of this - to the extent that they will throw everything away if they think they are being cheated out of money.
They will realize they will never, ever, ever find anything like SlayerS in a foreign team. And it's pretty evident that they won't have the character to have initiative and look after themselves like foreign players do. Expecting no more results from them, apart from the occasional top 10 MLG finish.
Seems like they have sold out their friends and livelihoods for money and glory. And they will find neither.
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On October 18 2012 10:35 Xiphos wrote:
Hey man, BoxeR wasn't going to back to progaming regardless of SlayerS' fate.
You're wrong
"He was preparing to return before the release of Heart of the Swarm but at that time he was tried to stop playing"
Please read OP properly.
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On October 18 2012 10:31 Woizit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 10:22 Waxangel wrote:http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=127949&db=issueA Fomos article has what appears to be a preliminary statement from eSF chair Mr. Won (also Startale head coach). It seems unlikely that this is all the eSF has to say, and more will probably follow. But for now, here are the statements from the Fomos article. "We have things to say as well... ...we admit to a degree that there was friction with SlayerS, but it's not something over a couple of days, so if one side comes out emotionally, the problem can't help but expand. It's unfortunate that this situation occurred." "If we really wanted to ostracize SlayerS, we could have excluded them very thoroughly, but that's not the case at all. Instead, we did a lot together, and worked to treat them the same as other teams even though they were not part of the federation... ...there was a time where [players were] ordered not to practice [with SlayerS players], but it was only for a short period. There is no ban now. At the time, SlayerS kept acting selfishly, so the teams had no choice but to cooperate and penalize them." I wouldn't trust them on the "short period". I had looked at GSL interviews in April and May, and none of the Slayers members thanked any practice partners outside of their team. In fact, going back further in the months, I still don't see them thanking members of the ESF teams for practice at all.
According to Jessica's post, the practice ban went on for at least 10 months. In Blizzard's term, 10 month definitely qualifies as short period, or "soon".
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