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Well I guess we know why Boxer abandoned ship. This is a seriously fucked up team.
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honestly I think jessica/ boxer have too much empathy for their players and put too much emotion into slayers. and thus when the players have any sort of shady actions jessica reacts harshly in spite blowing shit out of proportion. thats atleast how I imagine it to be from what i read
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I have this on recording and I will see what he does in the future.
what a evil person @_@
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MMA to EG. Calling it now.
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On October 18 2012 09:31 silent_owl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 09:28 Tsutchie wrote:On October 18 2012 09:23 zefreak wrote:
Nobody yells at boxer. These young players don't seem to understand that he's one of the reasons they have gaming as a career option. Must have been incredibly frustrating for him, especially with what he went through early in his career. they don't know what it was like when there was no such thing as e-sports. when friends hired out apartments and ate nothing but instant noodle just so they can practice the game they love all day. when there was only small local tournaments that had only a few hundred dollars reward and if a guy wins, he shares his money with the people he is living with so they can continue playing and practicing with each other. I agree. These kids, yes kids, have no respect. MMA going to a foreign team. Let's see how that works out for his results. Spoiled rock star mentality.
He'll probably go to EG, Complexity, or Fanatic and make a guaranteed salary (sure beats the $0 Slayers gave him for being their star). Along with that, he'll get opportunities to compete in many foreign events with little Korean opposition and collect plenty of tournament checks (a la Puma, who was good, but never actually that great of a player). He'll also be allowed (encouraged) to stream and gain revenue through streaming if he desires.
His GSL results will probably suffer though (although JYP has had a recent resurgence). The unofficial practice boycott will also be gone which could have a positive effect.
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On October 18 2012 09:38 kKagari wrote:
MMA to EG. Calling it now.
Not really a call after having a 4 paged thread about him already having contact with EG. 
Edit: @above, hes in contact with EG and Axiom Gaming.
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I think its just a shame for Boxers team to go down like this he built it from the ground up getting sponsors here and there. But if the translations are correct (which i kind of doubt) it saddens me that the players would turn their backs on BoxeR
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On October 18 2012 09:24 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 09:15 Moka wrote:On October 18 2012 09:02 RenSC2 wrote:On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote: It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL. (...) Finally, she cares so much about all her players that she takes cheap shots at guys like Taeja who had nothing to do with this. If that's caring, I'd much rather that she didn't care for me. It seems that the members of Slayers felt the same way. But I'm sure a few questionable statements by Alicia are enough to prove that all the fault is really on all the different players, not the person at the center of all the management decisions. What? When did she cheap shot Taeja? Am I missing something? Sorry, If I misunderstood Show nested quote +Ganzi, TaeJa, Golden, and Sleep are cases where players left the team with no problems. In TaeJa's case, he requested that he be allowed to leave, and it was accepted. He wanted to play on a different team, not necessarily a foreign team, but in the process TeamLiquid sent a request. Whenever I see him doing well on his new team, I'm proud. He's not the style of player that practices a lot or puts in a lot of effort. However, seeing him play so well despite that makes me think that while MMA is the type of player that gets it done through effort, TaeJa is really a genius kind of player. If he could train under a system, then I think he could become the best player. The context before and after sounds all nice, but right in the middle there's this nasty little cheap shot. Why say he's lazy? What good does that do for anyone? It's just a cheap shot that added absolutely nothing to the message except make her look like she wants to burn every bridge she can.
Are you kidding? Context provides the basis of meaning, you don't just skip over it and nitpick.
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On October 18 2012 09:38 kKagari wrote:
MMA to EG. Calling it now.
damn nice call dude, not like it wasnt posted 20 mins ago
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On October 18 2012 09:32 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 09:25 Milkis wrote:On October 18 2012 09:22 Veldril wrote:On October 18 2012 09:00 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 08:59 wildstyle1337 wrote:On October 18 2012 08:49 m1rk3 wrote:
Sad Day. Sc2 dead? hope not. What ? One team disband because bad management, Destiny trolling like always and ppl think it is end of sc2 funny Did you even read what happened? Jessica is still partly at fault, though. Sure, eSF is wrong in embargo players from training with Slayers, and Alicia just lying. But Jessica still did a couple of mismanagement, primarily give manager J all the shot on dealing with sponsors. That's a huge mistake that you cannot ignore at all. Everyone is partly at fault here. Blaming only eSF's embargo as a sole reason why Slayers disbands is as bad as blaming everything on Jessica. lol seriously? she had good reason to think that the guy was sincere. very, very, good reason.
I don't know what to think about the bits regarding players acting selfishly whatever, but "J", who handled all of that stuff was pretty much the reason all of this happened to begin with :/ And that's a sign that she is not a good manager. This is business, not some child play. Even a family member can embezzle money from the family business if they get a chance and willing to do (family first hand experience, my mother's company was almost drove to the ground by my aunt-in-law). Dealing with sponsorship is a big deal, and even she trusted him, she should still accompany him and check with sponsors by herself.
only if she could speak English :D
Well, that *is* her problem, no? She trusted people too much, which is why everytime stuff happens she gets extremely upset about it. It's just what happens. Passion and affection gets separated and things turn very robotic... like the kespa teams run by the sponsors that don't care too much about the players. Oh dear.
So easy to say that "its not child's play, it's business". Because competent people just pop up in eSports? Pleaseeeeeeeeeeee. It's the same people over and over again who just eat off the efforts of others.
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To be honest I still don't know why they are closing the shop.
They do have huge discipline problems and need to find a way to deal with the federation but there's nothing really wrong financially and they still have all the players they want.
There are teams with more problems that keeps on pushing through.
The bases are covered imo, but order must be restored.
So here's my bet: Slayers will not die today.
Although just in case, I suggest we westerners give Slayers a way to get out of this mess, according to western tradition when the shit hits the fan there are some ways to wipe it off:
A) Drink a boat load of alcohol until everyone love each other
B) Fight
C) Do a wet tshirt contest
D) Vegas Baby!!!
(please don't ban me)
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On October 18 2012 09:40 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 09:32 Veldril wrote:On October 18 2012 09:25 Milkis wrote:On October 18 2012 09:22 Veldril wrote:On October 18 2012 09:00 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 08:59 wildstyle1337 wrote:On October 18 2012 08:49 m1rk3 wrote:
Sad Day. Sc2 dead? hope not. What ? One team disband because bad management, Destiny trolling like always and ppl think it is end of sc2 funny Did you even read what happened? Jessica is still partly at fault, though. Sure, eSF is wrong in embargo players from training with Slayers, and Alicia just lying. But Jessica still did a couple of mismanagement, primarily give manager J all the shot on dealing with sponsors. That's a huge mistake that you cannot ignore at all. Everyone is partly at fault here. Blaming only eSF's embargo as a sole reason why Slayers disbands is as bad as blaming everything on Jessica. lol seriously? she had good reason to think that the guy was sincere. very, very, good reason.
I don't know what to think about the bits regarding players acting selfishly whatever, but "J", who handled all of that stuff was pretty much the reason all of this happened to begin with :/ And that's a sign that she is not a good manager. This is business, not some child play. Even a family member can embezzle money from the family business if they get a chance and willing to do (family first hand experience, my mother's company was almost drove to the ground by my aunt-in-law). Dealing with sponsorship is a big deal, and even she trusted him, she should still accompany him and check with sponsors by herself. only if she could speak English :D Well, that *is* her problem, no? She trusted people too much, which is why everytime stuff happens she gets extremely upset about it. It's just what happens. Passion and affection gets separated and things turn very robotic... like the kespa teams run by the sponsors that don't care too much about the players. Oh dear. So easy to say that "its not child's play, it's business". Because competent people just pop up in eSports? Pleaseeeeeeeeeeee. It's the same people over and over again who just eat off the efforts of others.
you always come back for the drama 
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On October 18 2012 09:38 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 09:31 silent_owl wrote:On October 18 2012 09:28 Tsutchie wrote:On October 18 2012 09:23 zefreak wrote:
Nobody yells at boxer. These young players don't seem to understand that he's one of the reasons they have gaming as a career option. Must have been incredibly frustrating for him, especially with what he went through early in his career. they don't know what it was like when there was no such thing as e-sports. when friends hired out apartments and ate nothing but instant noodle just so they can practice the game they love all day. when there was only small local tournaments that had only a few hundred dollars reward and if a guy wins, he shares his money with the people he is living with so they can continue playing and practicing with each other. I agree. These kids, yes kids, have no respect. MMA going to a foreign team. Let's see how that works out for his results. Spoiled rock star mentality. He'll probably go to EG, Complexity, or Fanatic and make a guaranteed salary (sure beats the $0 Slayers gave him for being their star). Along with that, he'll get opportunities to compete in many foreign events with little Korean opposition and collect plenty of tournament checks (a la Puma, who was good, but never actually that great of a player). He'll also be allowed (encouraged) to stream and gain revenue through streaming if he desires. His GSL results will probably suffer though (although JYP has had a recent resurgence). The unofficial practice boycott will also be gone which could have a positive effect.
Source that mma had no salary? While were complaining about fact checking id like to know where's yours.
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Players like Reach and Yellow, who were around with Boxer from the beginning must be looking at these SlayerS players and shaking their heads.
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On October 18 2012 09:24 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 09:15 Moka wrote:On October 18 2012 09:02 RenSC2 wrote:On October 18 2012 08:13 m4inbrain wrote: It's all just a conspiracy right? LOL. (...) Finally, she cares so much about all her players that she takes cheap shots at guys like Taeja who had nothing to do with this. If that's caring, I'd much rather that she didn't care for me. It seems that the members of Slayers felt the same way. But I'm sure a few questionable statements by Alicia are enough to prove that all the fault is really on all the different players, not the person at the center of all the management decisions. What? When did she cheap shot Taeja? Am I missing something? Sorry, If I misunderstood Show nested quote +Ganzi, TaeJa, Golden, and Sleep are cases where players left the team with no problems. In TaeJa's case, he requested that he be allowed to leave, and it was accepted. He wanted to play on a different team, not necessarily a foreign team, but in the process TeamLiquid sent a request. Whenever I see him doing well on his new team, I'm proud. He's not the style of player that practices a lot or puts in a lot of effort. However, seeing him play so well despite that makes me think that while MMA is the type of player that gets it done through effort, TaeJa is really a genius kind of player. If he could train under a system, then I think he could become the best player. The context before and after sounds all nice, but right in the middle there's this nasty little cheap shot. Why say he's lazy? What good does that do for anyone? It's just a cheap shot that added absolutely nothing to the message except make her look like she wants to burn every bridge she can.
You are just nitpicking, stop it. You Sound like you're picking at anything to downrate Jessica's messages. She also calls him a genius so what? Stop trolling and pointing out trivial matters when bigger ones are present, please.
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On October 18 2012 09:41 Za7oX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 09:40 Milkis wrote:On October 18 2012 09:32 Veldril wrote:On October 18 2012 09:25 Milkis wrote:On October 18 2012 09:22 Veldril wrote:On October 18 2012 09:00 farnham wrote:On October 18 2012 08:59 wildstyle1337 wrote:On October 18 2012 08:49 m1rk3 wrote:
Sad Day. Sc2 dead? hope not. What ? One team disband because bad management, Destiny trolling like always and ppl think it is end of sc2 funny Did you even read what happened? Jessica is still partly at fault, though. Sure, eSF is wrong in embargo players from training with Slayers, and Alicia just lying. But Jessica still did a couple of mismanagement, primarily give manager J all the shot on dealing with sponsors. That's a huge mistake that you cannot ignore at all. Everyone is partly at fault here. Blaming only eSF's embargo as a sole reason why Slayers disbands is as bad as blaming everything on Jessica. lol seriously? she had good reason to think that the guy was sincere. very, very, good reason.
I don't know what to think about the bits regarding players acting selfishly whatever, but "J", who handled all of that stuff was pretty much the reason all of this happened to begin with :/ And that's a sign that she is not a good manager. This is business, not some child play. Even a family member can embezzle money from the family business if they get a chance and willing to do (family first hand experience, my mother's company was almost drove to the ground by my aunt-in-law). Dealing with sponsorship is a big deal, and even she trusted him, she should still accompany him and check with sponsors by herself. only if she could speak English :D Well, that *is* her problem, no? She trusted people too much, which is why everytime stuff happens she gets extremely upset about it. It's just what happens. Passion and affection gets separated and things turn very robotic... like the kespa teams run by the sponsors that don't care too much about the players. Oh dear. So easy to say that "its not child's play, it's business". Because competent people just pop up in eSports? Pleaseeeeeeeeeeee. It's the same people over and over again who just eat off the efforts of others. you always come back for the drama
Ehhhhh. I just think people are unnecessary unfair both sides on all parts. It's always somewhere in the middle and I dont like how people always goes towards the extremes so quickly, it's the dumbest part about the internet.
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On October 18 2012 09:42 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 09:38 RenSC2 wrote:On October 18 2012 09:31 silent_owl wrote:On October 18 2012 09:28 Tsutchie wrote:On October 18 2012 09:23 zefreak wrote:
Nobody yells at boxer. These young players don't seem to understand that he's one of the reasons they have gaming as a career option. Must have been incredibly frustrating for him, especially with what he went through early in his career. they don't know what it was like when there was no such thing as e-sports. when friends hired out apartments and ate nothing but instant noodle just so they can practice the game they love all day. when there was only small local tournaments that had only a few hundred dollars reward and if a guy wins, he shares his money with the people he is living with so they can continue playing and practicing with each other. I agree. These kids, yes kids, have no respect. MMA going to a foreign team. Let's see how that works out for his results. Spoiled rock star mentality. He'll probably go to EG, Complexity, or Fanatic and make a guaranteed salary (sure beats the $0 Slayers gave him for being their star). Along with that, he'll get opportunities to compete in many foreign events with little Korean opposition and collect plenty of tournament checks (a la Puma, who was good, but never actually that great of a player). He'll also be allowed (encouraged) to stream and gain revenue through streaming if he desires. His GSL results will probably suffer though (although JYP has had a recent resurgence). The unofficial practice boycott will also be gone which could have a positive effect. Source that mma had no salary? While were complaining about fact checking id like to know where's yours.
I know that last year he didn't, no one on slayers did. But this was before the NASL stuff which made teams sign contracts with players.
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On October 18 2012 09:36 Za7oX wrote:
I have this on recording and I will see what he does in the future.
what a evil person @_@
Keeping a record of what people promise is not evil, especially when there's a history of players doing the opposite.
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