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On November 04 2012 08:34 Danzo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 08:32 tehcaekftw wrote:On November 04 2012 08:29 Danzo wrote:On November 02 2012 02:55 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 01 2012 23:56 echobong wrote:On November 01 2012 23:41 rQvicious wrote:
lol Destiny "made these changes happen" gtfo. And blizzard doesn't need to polish its interface if you like startcraft play its if not don't there will be money to be made off starcraft 2. It is larger in the United States than it ever was with Starcraft and BW. Not saying he 'made the changes happen', saying he freaked out very effectively to the point where Bliz couldn't be silent anymore. I agree Bliz was likely working on this stuff beforehand, but they are suddenly interacting with the community and all this stuff like never before. Destiny dropped his perfect rant at the right time and bliz had to show its hand and play ball like the rest of the esports developers. It just worked out well. Why deny that? totally agree. blizzard never interacted with the community while WoL was in beta and never provided updates on changes to the game currently in development. without destiny, bliz is completely silent and non-informative to its beta participants! whew, that was hard to type with a straight face. LOL. Destiny made great points but then out right quits to LoL. Well w/e. Destiny made good points, but Blizzard was already on the move to changes. Oh well, tired of this thread being bump and honestly i'm not really a fan of Destiny anymore ever since he quit Sc2. He completely switched to LoL and quit SC2? Oh well As far as I know yes. He's been full time playing LoL as of lately. He doesn't even bother posting his stream on TL anymore.
if he did the guy is going to fall from existance as a streamer. LoL is NOT a good spectator sport. destiny can shit on SC2 and praise LoL all he wants, but LoL is a BORING game to watch when compared to SC2. his viewer counter dropped to under 1000. he gets 900 viewers now, thats how bad he is falling right now.
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On November 04 2012 10:21 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 08:34 Danzo wrote:On November 04 2012 08:32 tehcaekftw wrote:On November 04 2012 08:29 Danzo wrote:On November 02 2012 02:55 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 01 2012 23:56 echobong wrote:On November 01 2012 23:41 rQvicious wrote:
lol Destiny "made these changes happen" gtfo. And blizzard doesn't need to polish its interface if you like startcraft play its if not don't there will be money to be made off starcraft 2. It is larger in the United States than it ever was with Starcraft and BW. Not saying he 'made the changes happen', saying he freaked out very effectively to the point where Bliz couldn't be silent anymore. I agree Bliz was likely working on this stuff beforehand, but they are suddenly interacting with the community and all this stuff like never before. Destiny dropped his perfect rant at the right time and bliz had to show its hand and play ball like the rest of the esports developers. It just worked out well. Why deny that? totally agree. blizzard never interacted with the community while WoL was in beta and never provided updates on changes to the game currently in development. without destiny, bliz is completely silent and non-informative to its beta participants! whew, that was hard to type with a straight face. LOL. Destiny made great points but then out right quits to LoL. Well w/e. Destiny made good points, but Blizzard was already on the move to changes. Oh well, tired of this thread being bump and honestly i'm not really a fan of Destiny anymore ever since he quit Sc2. He completely switched to LoL and quit SC2? Oh well As far as I know yes. He's been full time playing LoL as of lately. He doesn't even bother posting his stream on TL anymore. if he did the guy is going to fall from existance as a streamer. LoL is NOT a good spectator sport. destiny can shit on SC2 and praise LoL all he wants, but LoL is a BORING game to watch when compared to SC2. his viewer counter dropped to under 1000. he gets 900 viewers now, thats how bad he is falling right now.
He is probably just loosing his SC2 fanbase, and if he becomes as "famous" as he was in starcraft, he is going to get those few thousand viewers back again sometime.
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On November 04 2012 10:21 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 08:34 Danzo wrote:On November 04 2012 08:32 tehcaekftw wrote:On November 04 2012 08:29 Danzo wrote:On November 02 2012 02:55 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 01 2012 23:56 echobong wrote:On November 01 2012 23:41 rQvicious wrote:
lol Destiny "made these changes happen" gtfo. And blizzard doesn't need to polish its interface if you like startcraft play its if not don't there will be money to be made off starcraft 2. It is larger in the United States than it ever was with Starcraft and BW. Not saying he 'made the changes happen', saying he freaked out very effectively to the point where Bliz couldn't be silent anymore. I agree Bliz was likely working on this stuff beforehand, but they are suddenly interacting with the community and all this stuff like never before. Destiny dropped his perfect rant at the right time and bliz had to show its hand and play ball like the rest of the esports developers. It just worked out well. Why deny that? totally agree. blizzard never interacted with the community while WoL was in beta and never provided updates on changes to the game currently in development. without destiny, bliz is completely silent and non-informative to its beta participants! whew, that was hard to type with a straight face. LOL. Destiny made great points but then out right quits to LoL. Well w/e. Destiny made good points, but Blizzard was already on the move to changes. Oh well, tired of this thread being bump and honestly i'm not really a fan of Destiny anymore ever since he quit Sc2. He completely switched to LoL and quit SC2? Oh well As far as I know yes. He's been full time playing LoL as of lately. He doesn't even bother posting his stream on TL anymore. if he did the guy is going to fall from existance as a streamer. LoL is NOT a good spectator sport. destiny can shit on SC2 and praise LoL all he wants, but LoL is a BORING game to watch when compared to SC2. his viewer counter dropped to under 1000. he gets 900 viewers now, thats how bad he is falling right now.
Maybe he doesn't get viewers when he plays LoL because he sucks at LoL.
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Atleast he was top 10% or so in SC2, in LoL Destiny is like middle of the pack,.
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On November 04 2012 10:26 tehcaekftw wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 10:21 Ballistixz wrote:On November 04 2012 08:34 Danzo wrote:On November 04 2012 08:32 tehcaekftw wrote:On November 04 2012 08:29 Danzo wrote:On November 02 2012 02:55 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 01 2012 23:56 echobong wrote:On November 01 2012 23:41 rQvicious wrote:
lol Destiny "made these changes happen" gtfo. And blizzard doesn't need to polish its interface if you like startcraft play its if not don't there will be money to be made off starcraft 2. It is larger in the United States than it ever was with Starcraft and BW. Not saying he 'made the changes happen', saying he freaked out very effectively to the point where Bliz couldn't be silent anymore. I agree Bliz was likely working on this stuff beforehand, but they are suddenly interacting with the community and all this stuff like never before. Destiny dropped his perfect rant at the right time and bliz had to show its hand and play ball like the rest of the esports developers. It just worked out well. Why deny that? totally agree. blizzard never interacted with the community while WoL was in beta and never provided updates on changes to the game currently in development. without destiny, bliz is completely silent and non-informative to its beta participants! whew, that was hard to type with a straight face. LOL. Destiny made great points but then out right quits to LoL. Well w/e. Destiny made good points, but Blizzard was already on the move to changes. Oh well, tired of this thread being bump and honestly i'm not really a fan of Destiny anymore ever since he quit Sc2. He completely switched to LoL and quit SC2? Oh well As far as I know yes. He's been full time playing LoL as of lately. He doesn't even bother posting his stream on TL anymore. if he did the guy is going to fall from existance as a streamer. LoL is NOT a good spectator sport. destiny can shit on SC2 and praise LoL all he wants, but LoL is a BORING game to watch when compared to SC2. his viewer counter dropped to under 1000. he gets 900 viewers now, thats how bad he is falling right now. He is probably just loosing his SC2 fanbase, and if he becomes as "famous" as he was in starcraft, he is going to get those few thousand viewers back again sometime.
Losing the fan base who made him who he was? Sounds like a genius marketing strategy. No it's not because it's a stupidly impulsive decision, no it's so he can work from the ground up.
Anyways I feel i'm falling away from the OP's point. Blizzard making changes, all good for the right direction. GG thread 
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On November 04 2012 10:02 Prog455 wrote:
Well... During the peak hours of MLG this evening, LoL was at aprox. 130k viewers, where as SC2 was at 80k. Considering the fact that LoL is an easier game to pick up than SC2, and that LoL is FREE, i think it is pretty nice numbers for SC2. Right now it is aprox 79k for LoL and 43k for SC2. Again, if you consider the MASSIVE difference in the size of the player base, SC2 is doing very well.
I saw 141k for LoL and 55k for sc2 (red+blue even though there's probably a lot of the same people on both) while both had games on. Pretty pointless numbers when you have to consider who's playing...
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On November 04 2012 10:21 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 08:34 Danzo wrote:On November 04 2012 08:32 tehcaekftw wrote:On November 04 2012 08:29 Danzo wrote:On November 02 2012 02:55 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 01 2012 23:56 echobong wrote:On November 01 2012 23:41 rQvicious wrote:
lol Destiny "made these changes happen" gtfo. And blizzard doesn't need to polish its interface if you like startcraft play its if not don't there will be money to be made off starcraft 2. It is larger in the United States than it ever was with Starcraft and BW. Not saying he 'made the changes happen', saying he freaked out very effectively to the point where Bliz couldn't be silent anymore. I agree Bliz was likely working on this stuff beforehand, but they are suddenly interacting with the community and all this stuff like never before. Destiny dropped his perfect rant at the right time and bliz had to show its hand and play ball like the rest of the esports developers. It just worked out well. Why deny that? totally agree. blizzard never interacted with the community while WoL was in beta and never provided updates on changes to the game currently in development. without destiny, bliz is completely silent and non-informative to its beta participants! whew, that was hard to type with a straight face. LOL. Destiny made great points but then out right quits to LoL. Well w/e. Destiny made good points, but Blizzard was already on the move to changes. Oh well, tired of this thread being bump and honestly i'm not really a fan of Destiny anymore ever since he quit Sc2. He completely switched to LoL and quit SC2? Oh well As far as I know yes. He's been full time playing LoL as of lately. He doesn't even bother posting his stream on TL anymore. if he did the guy is going to fall from existance as a streamer. LoL is NOT a good spectator sport. destiny can shit on SC2 and praise LoL all he wants, but LoL is a BORING game to watch when compared to SC2. his viewer counter dropped to under 1000. he gets 900 viewers now, thats how bad he is falling right now.
I disagree, I started trying out LoL recently and have been watching some of Scarra's stream and I find it most interesting to be honest.
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On November 04 2012 09:55 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 09:21 gh0stsquall wrote:
i wonder why this topic is still open I was about to post exactly this
because they dont want to close it, or dont care. all your wonder is satisfied.
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Starcraft is dying because of Blizzard, and League of legends is rising because of Riot. The only other element is how League of Legends has a huge casual base and a large teamplay element that is more important than mechanics.
Starcraft: Mechanics, and the pros have to think alot.
League of Legends: Mechanics up to a point, and the pros spend nearly of there practice time talking through decisions working as a team theorycrafting planning plotting analyzing studying and thinking.
There is just no comparison to how it feels to have a perfectly oiled premade team, and I for one have achieved a much greater level of immersion in League of Legends.
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On November 04 2012 10:43 KeZtRaL wrote:
Starcraft is dying because of Blizzard, and League of legends is rising because of Riot. The only other element is how League of Legends has a huge casual base and a large teamplay element that is more important than mechanics.
Starcraft: Mechanics, and the pros have to think alot.
League of Legends: Mechanics up to a point, and the pros spend nearly of there practice time talking through decisions working as a team theorycrafting planning plotting analyzing studying and thinking.
There is just no comparison to how it feels to have a perfectly oiled premade team, and I for one have achieved a much greater level of immersion in League of Legends.
So your argument why LoL is better than SC is because after a while in LoL you stop improving? Yeah, that doesn't really sell the game to me.
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This tournament has had such awesome games. SC2 isn't going anywhere.
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If you're going to play a moba, why play anything other than dota 2?
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First lan rts experience was bw 2v2v2v2, can we have it back? :\
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On November 04 2012 10:43 KeZtRaL wrote:
Starcraft is dying because of Blizzard, and League of legends is rising because of Riot. The only other element is how League of Legends has a huge casual base and a large teamplay element that is more important than mechanics.
Starcraft: Mechanics, and the pros have to think alot.
League of Legends: Mechanics up to a point, and the pros spend nearly of there practice time talking through decisions working as a team theorycrafting planning plotting analyzing studying and thinking.
There is just no comparison to how it feels to have a perfectly oiled premade team, and I for one have achieved a much greater level of immersion in League of Legends.
The fact that the game is 1v1 and very time intensive shrinks the casual fanbase size considerably. The whole casual 1v1 thing will help fix this problem, but making team play more viable could help as well. Ultimately, if blizzard put more effort into making their game popular, it would stop dying.
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On November 04 2012 10:27 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 10:21 Ballistixz wrote:On November 04 2012 08:34 Danzo wrote:On November 04 2012 08:32 tehcaekftw wrote:On November 04 2012 08:29 Danzo wrote:On November 02 2012 02:55 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 01 2012 23:56 echobong wrote:On November 01 2012 23:41 rQvicious wrote:
lol Destiny "made these changes happen" gtfo. And blizzard doesn't need to polish its interface if you like startcraft play its if not don't there will be money to be made off starcraft 2. It is larger in the United States than it ever was with Starcraft and BW. Not saying he 'made the changes happen', saying he freaked out very effectively to the point where Bliz couldn't be silent anymore. I agree Bliz was likely working on this stuff beforehand, but they are suddenly interacting with the community and all this stuff like never before. Destiny dropped his perfect rant at the right time and bliz had to show its hand and play ball like the rest of the esports developers. It just worked out well. Why deny that? totally agree. blizzard never interacted with the community while WoL was in beta and never provided updates on changes to the game currently in development. without destiny, bliz is completely silent and non-informative to its beta participants! whew, that was hard to type with a straight face. LOL. Destiny made great points but then out right quits to LoL. Well w/e. Destiny made good points, but Blizzard was already on the move to changes. Oh well, tired of this thread being bump and honestly i'm not really a fan of Destiny anymore ever since he quit Sc2. He completely switched to LoL and quit SC2? Oh well As far as I know yes. He's been full time playing LoL as of lately. He doesn't even bother posting his stream on TL anymore. if he did the guy is going to fall from existance as a streamer. LoL is NOT a good spectator sport. destiny can shit on SC2 and praise LoL all he wants, but LoL is a BORING game to watch when compared to SC2. his viewer counter dropped to under 1000. he gets 900 viewers now, thats how bad he is falling right now. Maybe he doesn't get viewers when he plays LoL because he sucks at LoL. <_< Atleast he was top 10% or so in SC2, in LoL Destiny is like middle of the pack,.
uh......top 10 %. Really.
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how come so many care what destiny thinks lol....
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On November 04 2012 10:27 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 10:21 Ballistixz wrote:On November 04 2012 08:34 Danzo wrote:On November 04 2012 08:32 tehcaekftw wrote:On November 04 2012 08:29 Danzo wrote:On November 02 2012 02:55 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 01 2012 23:56 echobong wrote:On November 01 2012 23:41 rQvicious wrote:
lol Destiny "made these changes happen" gtfo. And blizzard doesn't need to polish its interface if you like startcraft play its if not don't there will be money to be made off starcraft 2. It is larger in the United States than it ever was with Starcraft and BW. Not saying he 'made the changes happen', saying he freaked out very effectively to the point where Bliz couldn't be silent anymore. I agree Bliz was likely working on this stuff beforehand, but they are suddenly interacting with the community and all this stuff like never before. Destiny dropped his perfect rant at the right time and bliz had to show its hand and play ball like the rest of the esports developers. It just worked out well. Why deny that? totally agree. blizzard never interacted with the community while WoL was in beta and never provided updates on changes to the game currently in development. without destiny, bliz is completely silent and non-informative to its beta participants! whew, that was hard to type with a straight face. LOL. Destiny made great points but then out right quits to LoL. Well w/e. Destiny made good points, but Blizzard was already on the move to changes. Oh well, tired of this thread being bump and honestly i'm not really a fan of Destiny anymore ever since he quit Sc2. He completely switched to LoL and quit SC2? Oh well As far as I know yes. He's been full time playing LoL as of lately. He doesn't even bother posting his stream on TL anymore. if he did the guy is going to fall from existance as a streamer. LoL is NOT a good spectator sport. destiny can shit on SC2 and praise LoL all he wants, but LoL is a BORING game to watch when compared to SC2. his viewer counter dropped to under 1000. he gets 900 viewers now, thats how bad he is falling right now. Maybe he doesn't get viewers when he plays LoL because he sucks at LoL. <_< Atleast he was top 10% or so in SC2, in LoL Destiny is like middle of the pack,. He was top .1% in sc2 man not 10%...and he got famous in sc2 because he was super energetic and funny initially. He basically just tells people they have downs now a days and rage quits [as far as in game interaction goes].
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On November 04 2012 10:21 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 08:34 Danzo wrote:On November 04 2012 08:32 tehcaekftw wrote:On November 04 2012 08:29 Danzo wrote:On November 02 2012 02:55 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 01 2012 23:56 echobong wrote:On November 01 2012 23:41 rQvicious wrote:
lol Destiny "made these changes happen" gtfo. And blizzard doesn't need to polish its interface if you like startcraft play its if not don't there will be money to be made off starcraft 2. It is larger in the United States than it ever was with Starcraft and BW. Not saying he 'made the changes happen', saying he freaked out very effectively to the point where Bliz couldn't be silent anymore. I agree Bliz was likely working on this stuff beforehand, but they are suddenly interacting with the community and all this stuff like never before. Destiny dropped his perfect rant at the right time and bliz had to show its hand and play ball like the rest of the esports developers. It just worked out well. Why deny that? totally agree. blizzard never interacted with the community while WoL was in beta and never provided updates on changes to the game currently in development. without destiny, bliz is completely silent and non-informative to its beta participants! whew, that was hard to type with a straight face. LOL. Destiny made great points but then out right quits to LoL. Well w/e. Destiny made good points, but Blizzard was already on the move to changes. Oh well, tired of this thread being bump and honestly i'm not really a fan of Destiny anymore ever since he quit Sc2. He completely switched to LoL and quit SC2? Oh well As far as I know yes. He's been full time playing LoL as of lately. He doesn't even bother posting his stream on TL anymore. if he did the guy is going to fall from existance as a streamer. LoL is NOT a good spectator sport. destiny can shit on SC2 and praise LoL all he wants, but LoL is a BORING game to watch when compared to SC2. his viewer counter dropped to under 1000. he gets 900 viewers now, thats how bad he is falling right now.
ROFL. Go tell this to the 12k+ viewers that tune in to some of the livestreams on Solomid or the close to a million people that watched the League Season 2 finals. You're telling me that LoL isn't a spectator sport?
EDIT: My mistake, Riot said they had over 8 million unique viewers tune into their stream
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On November 04 2012 10:26 tehcaekftw wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 10:21 Ballistixz wrote:On November 04 2012 08:34 Danzo wrote:On November 04 2012 08:32 tehcaekftw wrote:On November 04 2012 08:29 Danzo wrote:On November 02 2012 02:55 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 01 2012 23:56 echobong wrote:On November 01 2012 23:41 rQvicious wrote:
lol Destiny "made these changes happen" gtfo. And blizzard doesn't need to polish its interface if you like startcraft play its if not don't there will be money to be made off starcraft 2. It is larger in the United States than it ever was with Starcraft and BW. Not saying he 'made the changes happen', saying he freaked out very effectively to the point where Bliz couldn't be silent anymore. I agree Bliz was likely working on this stuff beforehand, but they are suddenly interacting with the community and all this stuff like never before. Destiny dropped his perfect rant at the right time and bliz had to show its hand and play ball like the rest of the esports developers. It just worked out well. Why deny that? totally agree. blizzard never interacted with the community while WoL was in beta and never provided updates on changes to the game currently in development. without destiny, bliz is completely silent and non-informative to its beta participants! whew, that was hard to type with a straight face. LOL. Destiny made great points but then out right quits to LoL. Well w/e. Destiny made good points, but Blizzard was already on the move to changes. Oh well, tired of this thread being bump and honestly i'm not really a fan of Destiny anymore ever since he quit Sc2. He completely switched to LoL and quit SC2? Oh well As far as I know yes. He's been full time playing LoL as of lately. He doesn't even bother posting his stream on TL anymore. if he did the guy is going to fall from existance as a streamer. LoL is NOT a good spectator sport. destiny can shit on SC2 and praise LoL all he wants, but LoL is a BORING game to watch when compared to SC2. his viewer counter dropped to under 1000. he gets 900 viewers now, thats how bad he is falling right now. He is probably just loosing his SC2 fanbase, and if he becomes as "famous" as he was in starcraft, he is going to get those few thousand viewers back again sometime.
Danmark people smarter
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On November 04 2012 10:21 Ballistixz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 08:34 Danzo wrote:On November 04 2012 08:32 tehcaekftw wrote:On November 04 2012 08:29 Danzo wrote:On November 02 2012 02:55 dAPhREAk wrote:On November 01 2012 23:56 echobong wrote:On November 01 2012 23:41 rQvicious wrote:
lol Destiny "made these changes happen" gtfo. And blizzard doesn't need to polish its interface if you like startcraft play its if not don't there will be money to be made off starcraft 2. It is larger in the United States than it ever was with Starcraft and BW. Not saying he 'made the changes happen', saying he freaked out very effectively to the point where Bliz couldn't be silent anymore. I agree Bliz was likely working on this stuff beforehand, but they are suddenly interacting with the community and all this stuff like never before. Destiny dropped his perfect rant at the right time and bliz had to show its hand and play ball like the rest of the esports developers. It just worked out well. Why deny that? totally agree. blizzard never interacted with the community while WoL was in beta and never provided updates on changes to the game currently in development. without destiny, bliz is completely silent and non-informative to its beta participants! whew, that was hard to type with a straight face. LOL. Destiny made great points but then out right quits to LoL. Well w/e. Destiny made good points, but Blizzard was already on the move to changes. Oh well, tired of this thread being bump and honestly i'm not really a fan of Destiny anymore ever since he quit Sc2. He completely switched to LoL and quit SC2? Oh well As far as I know yes. He's been full time playing LoL as of lately. He doesn't even bother posting his stream on TL anymore. if he did the guy is going to fall from existance as a streamer. LoL is NOT a good spectator sport. destiny can shit on SC2 and praise LoL all he wants, but LoL is a BORING game to watch when compared to SC2. his viewer counter dropped to under 1000. he gets 900 viewers now, thats how bad he is falling right now.
You must live under a rock... The top streamers in Leagues most of the time doubles the top streamer of starcraft 2 in an average day. Leagues championship had 1.1 million watching the stream and 8 million through stream and t.v world wide.. Sc2 hasn't passed 500 thousand for one event let alone 8 million. Leagues is the most watched video game currently. The reason why destiny wont get many viewers is because he is bad at leagues and there are really funny and engaging streamers for leagues who are also incredibly good.
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Moba games do have a very dynamic meta game as the developers aren't afraid to buff/nerrf items and heroes. Moba games have more engagements/battles in relation to sc2 which contributes to the high entertainment factor. That's why the deathball syndrome have a negative impact on the entertainment factor as the battles tend to be very short.
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