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eXePensai
Canada56 Posts
On October 14 2012 04:05 superjoppe wrote: Idra has said far worse stuff multiple times. Don't see him getting suspended a bunch of times. People don't swamp sponsors with letters and emails and freak the fuck out when Idra says "inappropriate" things.. honestly this community needs to get its head on straight if there any hope of esports growing. | ||
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oBlade
United States6460 Posts
On October 14 2012 04:07 Al Bundy wrote: I've read the whole thread. We've got tons of people here who are completely oblivious about the law What aspects of the law? and/or are fucking animals. I don't think saying this makes you right about anything, although I appreciate that this is an emotionally charged subject. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On October 14 2012 04:11 SnuggleZhenya wrote: I don't know about other countries, but in the United States having sex with an underage person is literally called statutory rape. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape That is why the term is being used here. Have you read what you just linked? Also some still talk about RAPE... which is, wow, thats mindblowing. Rape is possibly the worst thing you can do to a woman, ever. I'd put any rapist against the wall and shoot him without hesitation but calling Stephano a rapist when it PROBABLY was mutual sex ... probably even drunk is seriously way over the top. Statutory rape, fine, we got a term here... but the sound of it is worse than the act in itself and especially if you consider the whole situation. Its not like he's a teacher and abused her into sex or the kinds of it. No one here does even know the whole story and still jumps on the witch hunt. Also to be fair, its 2012... in my opinion that law is flawed as the overall age for having sex is decreasing. On the side note, if it would be the other way around, it wouldn't be considered a crime at all which is funny. | ||
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hephaestos
France54 Posts
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achan1058
1091 Posts
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Bizeheryer
Germany307 Posts
On October 13 2012 19:43 amiGo_O wrote: lol EG are joke, Stephano was just having fun with his friend and it doesnt matter if community doesnt thinks that joke is funny, because it was a private conversation ... btw this situation is far worse for fans of SC than for Stephano and I bet both ASUS and DH are really pissed of since the best foreign wont play in their tournaments ... True words. I feel sad for the ASUS and DH people. | ||
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oZe
Sweden492 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 14 2012 04:15 eXePensai wrote: People don't swamp sponsors with letters and emails and freak the fuck out when Idra says "inappropriate" things.. honestly this community needs to get its head on straight if there any hope of esports growing. There's no point in telling us, it's always SRS who does this stuff and you cannot convince them to stop they legitimately believe they're always in the right. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On October 14 2012 04:15 eXePensai wrote: People don't swamp sponsors with letters and emails and freak the fuck out when Idra says "inappropriate" things.. honestly this community needs to get its head on straight if there any hope of esports growing. The part of the community that freaks the fuck out on Reddit and TL, e-mails sponsors and stuff is not the major segment that needs to grow. | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
lol EG are joke, Stephano was just having fun with his friend and it doesnt matter if community doesnt thinks that joke is funny, because it was a private conversation ... They are not a joke, they are businessmen and do whats good for business. I bet Stephano understands this as well and there's no bad blood between them. You see, stupid bandwagons are like explosives: can be very useful for many different purposes, but you need to treat them very carefully. Sometimes it's best not to wait till they start writing mails to your sponsors. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
Its not allowed to have sex or sexual acts with a person below the age of 18 if you are abusing a situation (i.e teacher/student, "I'll fail you if you don't sleep with me") In Abs. 2 werden sexuelle Handlungen eines über 18-Jährigen gegen ein Entgelt mit einem Jugendlichen unter 18 Jahren verboten. You may not have sex with a person below the age of 18 and charge money for it. (A hooker can't sleep with you, not allowed) Schließlich werden in Abs. 3 sexuelle Handlungen von Erwachsenen ab 21 Jahren mit Jugendlichen unter 16 Jahren unter Strafe gestellt, wenn der Erwachsene dabei eine „fehlende Fähigkeit des Opfers zur sexuellen Selbstbestimmung ausnutzt“. Die „fehlende Fähigkeit zur sexuellen Selbstbestimmung“ kann nach einer Entscheidung des Bundesgerichtshofes nicht allein aus dem Alter des Jugendlichen abgeleitet werden, sondern muss im Einzelfall festgestellt werden.[2] Sexuelle Unerfahrenheit reicht nicht für die Feststellung der fehlenden Fähigkeit zur sexuellen Selbstbestimmung aus.[3]" This part says, that you can't have sex with a person below the age of 16 if you are above 21 years old IF you abuse the lack of ability for taking responsibility own sexual actions. The ability for taking own sexual actions can't be judged by the age alone, but has to be judged for every single case seperately. Being sexually unexperienced doesn't do justice for lacking the ability of taking responsibility for your own sexual actions. That would be 'Statutory Rape' in Germany (Sexueller Missbrauch von Jugendlichen). | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:50 transcendent one wrote: it negates nothing lol, you just dont understand it. I'll try to rephrase his words for you, mb you can understand it eventually. the whole "evidence" is a jpg image taken out of context. Stephano's claim that it was a joke is just as good as a proof as that jpg. not to mention that what you quoted 100% negates what the other dude said, so your "makes no sense" comment made no sense. no, you have to make sure people will understand you are just joking. i repeat, you have to make sure. If you meet a friend in a pub you dont great him with grim face saying "I'll kill you". You can say "Remember that... <something>... I'll kill you for that". The difference is the presence of context that makes the "I'll kill you part" a joke. Now, some people can do the first kind of joke, but that would be not funny at all. There is a small chance that Stephano is that kind of people who are just terrible at joking and making good sense but somehow I doubt it. To Stephano's joke again. It totally lacks the part that would make it funny, that kind of context is totally absent, there is not even a single smiley. And it all ends with Stephano freaking out that the chat was being streamed. Aren't jokes meant to be retold so others can enjoy them? That part shows that Stephano knew exactly that his so called "joke" is not that. On the other hand there is the explanation that totally makes sense why there is no context and why the wording is what it is, because he actually wasn't joking. Of course noone can be 100% sure but how people would assume that he joked is more probable than that he didnt is beyond me. And now to your answer to the other guys post. What the tweet has to do with the fact that the Stephano's joke totally lacks context that would make it funny? One more thing. I also find it funny that though you dont get Stephano's joke yourself you are somehow sure it is one and if people dont see it as a joke you call them so the complication only happens because people are dumb aren't you one of the dumb then? | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
The age of consent in France is 15, as specified by Article 227-25, which reads: "The commission without violence, constraint, threat or surprise of a sexual offence by an adult on the person of a child under fifteen years of age is punished by five years' imprisonment and a fine of €75,000. | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
On October 14 2012 04:30 Al Bundy wrote: The age of consent in France is 15, as specified by Article 227-25, which reads: "The commission without violence, constraint, threat or surprise of a sexual offence by an adult on the person of a child under fifteen years of age is punished by five years' imprisonment and a fine of €75,000. "is punished by five years' imprisonment, a fine of €75,000 and a half month suspension from EG without pay." FTFY | ||
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DownOnMyNiece
Germany155 Posts
IdrA: She's even hotter in Thor! Stephano: "You should check out Leon the Professional!" On a more serious note, I find this reaction to be really unexpected and I would have thought EG would have just ignored that incident. I don't think Stephano deserves the witch hunt he is in now, albeit making a really inappropriate joke, but EG can't just tolerate conduct like that. | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
It totally lacks the part that would make it funny, that kind of context is totally absent Welll to be honest it's totally not your business. Stephano wasn't talking to you. You just accidently saw it. Mind your own business. | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On October 14 2012 04:32 DownOnMyNiece wrote: Incontrol: Man, I've watched that shitty "Black Swan movie 'cause Natalie Portman is so hot..." IdrA: She's even hotter in Thor! Stephano: "You should check out Leon the Professional!" On a more serious note, I find this reaction to be really unexpected and I would have thought EG would have just ignored that incident. I don't think Stephano deserves the witch hunt he is in now, albeit making a really inappropriate joke, but EG can't just tolerate conduct like that. It's only expected, after looking at the posts here. Better for EG to be the one handing out internal punishment, than to have the world punish him for it. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On October 14 2012 04:32 DownOnMyNiece wrote: Incontrol: Man, I've watched that shitty "Black Swan movie 'cause Natalie Portman is so hot..." IdrA: She's even hotter in Thor! Stephano: "You should check out Leon the Professional!" lol thats hilarious  )) | ||
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Bizeheryer
Germany307 Posts
On October 13 2012 19:15 aTnClouD wrote: It's not just about supporting Stephano, what makes people upset is how much a bunch of idiots can achieve when they are put together, and how this eventually brings no good to anybody. What he said was a joke that doesn't harm anyone and was not intended to be said in public. Actually this whole thing is just fucking pissing me off, could happen to anybody. If the tards on reddit could read what I write to my friends I would probably be put in jail for the rest of my life. Cloud has the point. Please make a new ''couch'' episode about those kids, which only are harming eSports. I remember Stephano tweeting HasuObs: "Go kill some jews if you have to much time and you are bored." Not everybody can handle Stephano's humor, thats for sure. But please kids, don't run to the sponsors and try to force harming reactions. | ||
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oBlade
United States6460 Posts
On October 14 2012 04:30 Al Bundy wrote: The age of consent in France is 15, as specified by Article 227-25, which reads: "The commission without violence, constraint, threat or surprise of a sexual offence by an adult on the person of a child under fifteen years of age is punished by five years' imprisonment and a fine of €75,000. Okay, the age of consent in France is 15 years. Do you have any evidence Stephano had sex with a girl in France who was 14 years old, and whose age he didn't make a reasonable effort to determine beforehand (applicable in French cases as corroborated by earlier posters)? If you do, shouldn't you be talking to the Police nationale instead of TL? | ||
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