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On October 14 2012 03:37 hephaestos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 03:28 MattBarry wrote:
I sometimes think the TL community can be too thin skinned. I mean come on, saying nigger isn't THAT big of a deal. It's inappropriate but it's not worth emailing sponsors over. However, this crosses the line for me personally. What exactly is funny about pedophilia? I get racist jokes to extent with stereotypes like "niggers love watermelon" and stuff makes at least a basis for a joke. But honestly, WHAT is funny about child abuse? EG is perfectly justified in suspending Stephano. Real funny, claiming to have comitted a felony. Ok, I can try to explain : There is a guy, he is 19 and he had sex with a girl who is 14.
Which already is very problematic, since 14 is minor (not even close to grown up), 19 is adult. Adults are not supposed to have sex with minors....at least in my country.
On October 14 2012 03:37 hephaestos wrote:
Having sex is usually great, especially when you are 19, and you tend to be happy with this. We have no reason to thnik it wasn't great for the girl either, but we really don't know anything about that.
Tell me: Is "abusing" the term for consensual sex? I though it's using the weakness of someone, a child, the fact you are physically stronger, to get what you want, against the will of the other.
On October 14 2012 03:37 hephaestos wrote:
So the guy tells his friend that he had sex with this girl, and, since he is aware of the fact that the age difference is quite important, on the verge on being inappropriate, he exaggerates the thing : he poses as a sexual predator.
Because he thinks that's cool, or why is he joking like that? Furthermore: He seemingly understands, he is not supposed to fuck with minors, but instead fine an adult woman (which he seemingly isn't able to get).
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On October 14 2012 03:37 hephaestos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 03:28 MattBarry wrote:
I sometimes think the TL community can be too thin skinned. I mean come on, saying nigger isn't THAT big of a deal. It's inappropriate but it's not worth emailing sponsors over. However, this crosses the line for me personally. What exactly is funny about pedophilia? I get racist jokes to extent with stereotypes like "niggers love watermelon" and stuff makes at least a basis for a joke. But honestly, WHAT is funny about child abuse? EG is perfectly justified in suspending Stephano. Real funny, claiming to have comitted a felony. Ok, I can try to explain : There is a guy, he is 19 and he had sex with a girl who is 14. Having sex is usually great, especially when you are 19, and you tend to be happy with this. We have no reason to thnik it wasn't great for the girl either, but we really don't know anything about that. So the guy tells his friend that he had sex with this girl, and, since he is aware of the fact that the age difference is quite important, on the verge on being inappropriate, he exaggerates the thing : he poses as a sexual predator. This causes a gap between the reality (two young people having fun) and the story (a pedophile raping a child). The gap, in turn, causes humorous reaction, and, for many people, laughter. For further explanation about the mecanism of fun in general, and laughter in particular, I suggest Laughter by Bergson, although I have to warn you that he was a french philosopher, so he propably wrote the whole crap in blind fanboyism for Stephano.
Of course the Frenchman is defending Stephano. This is inappropriate conduct for a representative of an organization. Felonies like child abuse aren't funny in any circumstance.
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On October 14 2012 03:39 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 03:33 blug wrote:
Reading this thread, I get the impression that a vast majority of people aren't mature enough to comprehend why this is a problem for the health of a sporting industry. Or people have a different interpretation of things entirely unrelated to their maturity or lack thereof. We have a great thing in Starcraft with the players really being able to express their own varied personalities to their fanbase. Yes it may sometimes go 'over the top' but it really is a special thing to many of us. As a follower of mainstream sports as well, I personally bemoan the incredibly boring interviews and press conferences that come out of these environments, with the participants media-trained to within an inch of their lives so they can represent their brands. Also I'm going to pre-empt the likely retort that I'm creating a false dichotomy with the only choice being between boring cliched interviews and making jokes about child abuse. That's not the case at all, I'm just saying that every time we get the pitchforks out we're going to as a community see less of the players expressing themselves.
Agreed.
If the cost of starcraft becoming mainstream is that the players can no longer be themselves and instead have to present fake politically correct personas then I would prefer starcraft to remain a niche sport untainted by the phony touch of sponsorship money.
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On October 14 2012 03:38 bakarin wrote:
Wow only 96 pages? EU players aint got shit comparing to NA players on making drama
Nobody in esports scene has come close to that kind of self confession, bro.
Next time you think about airing you pedophilic rape stories, think about it again.
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On October 14 2012 03:51 Rick Deckard wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 03:39 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 14 2012 03:33 blug wrote:
Reading this thread, I get the impression that a vast majority of people aren't mature enough to comprehend why this is a problem for the health of a sporting industry. Or people have a different interpretation of things entirely unrelated to their maturity or lack thereof. We have a great thing in Starcraft with the players really being able to express their own varied personalities to their fanbase. Yes it may sometimes go 'over the top' but it really is a special thing to many of us. As a follower of mainstream sports as well, I personally bemoan the incredibly boring interviews and press conferences that come out of these environments, with the participants media-trained to within an inch of their lives so they can represent their brands. Also I'm going to pre-empt the likely retort that I'm creating a false dichotomy with the only choice being between boring cliched interviews and making jokes about child abuse. That's not the case at all, I'm just saying that every time we get the pitchforks out we're going to as a community see less of the players expressing themselves. Agreed. If the cost of starcraft becoming mainstream is that the players can no longer be themselves and instead have to present fake politically correct personas then I would prefer starcraft to remain a niche sport untainted by the phony touch of sponsorship money.
Too late. I said it yesterday. We have become "mainstream" the moment that sponsors were involved. That happened 10 years ago. Blame BoxeR, KeSPA, or what have you, for bringing the game out of the PC Bangs and onto the main stage.
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I don't even know why this thread is still alive?
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On October 14 2012 03:28 MattBarry wrote:
I sometimes think the TL community can be too thin skinned. I mean come on, saying nigger isn't THAT big of a deal. It's inappropriate but it's not worth emailing sponsors over. However, this crosses the line for me personally. What exactly is funny about pedophilia? I get racist jokes to extent with stereotypes like "niggers love watermelon" and stuff makes at least a basis for a joke. But honestly, WHAT is funny about child abuse? EG is perfectly justified in suspending Stephano. Real funny, claiming to have comitted a felony.
pedophilia? come on man gtfo. the kid is 19 and the girl is 14. if he was 23 and she was 18 people would be giving him "mad props" and talking about what "pimp" stephano is
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On October 14 2012 03:51 Rick Deckard wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 03:39 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 14 2012 03:33 blug wrote:
Reading this thread, I get the impression that a vast majority of people aren't mature enough to comprehend why this is a problem for the health of a sporting industry. Or people have a different interpretation of things entirely unrelated to their maturity or lack thereof. We have a great thing in Starcraft with the players really being able to express their own varied personalities to their fanbase. Yes it may sometimes go 'over the top' but it really is a special thing to many of us. As a follower of mainstream sports as well, I personally bemoan the incredibly boring interviews and press conferences that come out of these environments, with the participants media-trained to within an inch of their lives so they can represent their brands. Also I'm going to pre-empt the likely retort that I'm creating a false dichotomy with the only choice being between boring cliched interviews and making jokes about child abuse. That's not the case at all, I'm just saying that every time we get the pitchforks out we're going to as a community see less of the players expressing themselves. Agreed. If the cost of starcraft becoming mainstream is that the players can no longer be themselves and instead have to present fake politically correct personas then I would prefer starcraft to remain a niche sport untainted by the phony touch of sponsorship money.
You can express yourself without being inappropriate. In fact, before this incident I didn't even know Stephano had it in him. Some things should stay between friends and shouldn't be expressed to the whole star craft community. Also the fact that sponsors look down upon such comments (Yes we should appease to the people who actually fund ESports).
ESports isn't mainstream to the extent where people are robots when they are interviews. This will never happen because the players are so close to the community, and I believe stopping them from saying dumb things won't stop them expressing themselves. The same way Teamliquid moderate what people say on the forums, they don't exactly stop them from expressing themselves though.
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On October 14 2012 03:38 Orek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 03:25 MilesTeg wrote:On October 14 2012 03:13 Orek wrote:On October 14 2012 03:02 MilesTeg wrote:On October 14 2012 02:59 Kkxtrouble wrote:
I don't get the people defending Stephano. Even if it's a joke Stephano is a public figure for Eg. Eg can't afford to have a lose cannon that is bad for business and for the image the company carries. Also, who the hell "jokes" about raping an underage girl? And I don't get how people can read what he actually wrote, in context, and say there's something wrong. Not to mention that it was, as far as he was concerned, a private conversation. ...about 100th guy in this thread who thinks "Private Message" in SC2 is actually private on the internet. Is this like new metagame among young kids? I never considered it private. Or, anything you say on the internet is never private enough as far as I know. Congrats, you managed to make no sense at all. Do you not see the difference between something you would say during an interview, or a show, or while commentating, or something you say while you think no one is listening? Do you never say dumb things with friends or family? This wasn't even a post on a forum, where you take the time to think about what you write. It was a freaking private chat room! Have you ever read one of those? If you could spy on them you could put millions in jail. That's exactly why I only make inappropriate jokes face to face among friends. I consider private chat is not private enough as long as it is on the internet. Only when I can sue the other side for releasing the private conversation, then it is safe to say that it is private enough. You have to be responsible for what you say even in a private chat.
This is ridiculous, you have to watch what you say anywhere any time on the internet ?
You could at least try to look objective
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On October 14 2012 03:52 SilSol wrote:
I don't even know why this thread is still alive?
Because lots of idiots and trolls enjoy drama and anything that a SC2 player ( and by extension anyone in the world ) says is true 
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On October 14 2012 03:52 AnAngryDingo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 03:28 MattBarry wrote:
I sometimes think the TL community can be too thin skinned. I mean come on, saying nigger isn't THAT big of a deal. It's inappropriate but it's not worth emailing sponsors over. However, this crosses the line for me personally. What exactly is funny about pedophilia? I get racist jokes to extent with stereotypes like "niggers love watermelon" and stuff makes at least a basis for a joke. But honestly, WHAT is funny about child abuse? EG is perfectly justified in suspending Stephano. Real funny, claiming to have comitted a felony. pedophilia? come on man gtfo. the kid is 19 and the girl is 14. if he was 23 and she was 18 people would be giving him "mad props" and talking about what "pimp" stephano is
Probably because an 18 year old is old enough to make mature decisions? That's the equivalent of saying 19 year old having sex with a new born is ok because being 40 and having sex with a 21 year old is mad props.
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This thread is interesting... Good to know that there are so many predators in the starcraft scene.
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At least the team punished him so now people can't really pitchfork straight to the sponsors because EG can say they've taken care of it internally. Also - depending on where he was that could totally be legal. In France the age of consent is 13. - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Age_of_Consent_-_Global.svg&page=1
Edit: Hell look - if he was vacationing in Bolivia he could have boned her as soon as "puberty"
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since when is 18 enough to make mature decisions....lol?
how old are you by chance?
and how is a 19 year old having sex with a 14 year old even remotely close to having sex with a newborn? lol wtf?
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People always overreacting to things. It was a joke, not a very funny one but a joke nonetheless. This world gets way too butt hurt over what people say.
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On October 14 2012 03:55 AnAngryDingo wrote:
since when is 18 enough to make mature decisions....lol?
how old are you by chance?
and how is a 19 year old having sex with a 14 year old even remotely close to having sex with a newborn? lol wtf?
Bout to turn 18 next month, but I can assure you the maturity levels are hugely different between a 14 year old and an 18 year old. I should rephrase to say mature enough decisions regarding sexuality.
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On October 14 2012 03:55 AnAngryDingo wrote:
since when is 18 enough to make mature decisions....lol?
how old are you by chance?
and how is a 19 year old having sex with a 14 year old even remotely close to having sex with a newborn? lol wtf?
wait wut?
This thread went from Stephano being a rapist, to joking about having sex with minors, to having sex with newborns? O.o?
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We should eMail the sponsors that we do not tolerate teams carrying out punishment to players for actions or private conversations that by mistake were made public.
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On October 14 2012 03:55 AnAngryDingo wrote:
since when is 18 enough to make mature decisions....lol?
how old are you by chance?
and how is a 19 year old having sex with a 14 year old even remotely close to having sex with a newborn? lol wtf?
he just used your logic against you
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On October 14 2012 03:58 Type|NarutO wrote:
We should eMail the sponsors that we do not tolerate teams carrying out punishment to players for actions or private conversations that by mistake were made public.
Maybe the players should take responsibility for their actions? Stephano should know this is the internet and that things can get viral...
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