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kinglemon
Germany199 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:25 transcendent one wrote: I seem to recall Stephano tweeted "it was a joke between friends sorry" so seems like you just posted for no reason at all. haha, just because you say "it was a joke" after things got on fire doesn't mean people have good reasons to believe you. | ||
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SnuggleZhenya
596 Posts
EG punished him because they had to in order to maintain their image as a professional organization which sponsors take seriously. | ||
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orBitual
United States96 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:28 MattBarry wrote: I sometimes think the TL community can be too thin skinned. I mean come on, saying nigger isn't THAT big of a deal. It's inappropriate but it's not worth emailing sponsors over. However, this crosses the line for me personally. What exactly is funny about pedophilia? I get racist jokes to extent with stereotypes like "niggers love watermelon" and stuff makes at least a basis for a joke. But honestly, WHAT is funny about child abuse? EG is perfectly justified in suspending Stephano. Real funny, claiming to have comitted a felony. Wow, lol, your interpretation is ... transcendant. | ||
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blug
Australia623 Posts
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oBlade
United States6677 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:27 ElephantBaby wrote: I didn't accuse him, I said investigate. Please don't mince words to avoid the fact that you're committing the fallacy of special pleading. I think that there is a slight possibility you are a child rapist, this must be taken seriously and should be investigated. That's coming from somebody else's mouth, if you accuse me, evidence should be provided, or you will get into jail. I didn't accuse him, I said investigate. When someone wants to investigate you, it's an accusation, but when you want to investigate someone else, it's just an investigation? Let's get back to the point. Where's the suspicion? Where's the evidence? Why the double standards? Let me guess, you don't like the idea of being accused of committing a crime because you said some words on the internet? "Oh I shot 50 people yesterday." "What! You murderer!" According to the results of the investigation, the defendant won a game of Quake. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
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laee
Germany137 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:26 Wombat_NI wrote: Wah wah, more whining. If the weekly tournaments got half of the views and replies that these threads saw, the scene would be a lot healthier on the whole. sorry but you get banned too quickly if you post in this sort of threats . | ||
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transcendent one
251 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:31 kinglemon wrote: haha, just because you say "it was a joke" after things got on fire doesn't mean people have good reasons to believe you. yeah so if i understand you you choose to believe one half of what he said and not the other half just because you feel like it, about a situation you basically know nowthing about, just saw a jpg. damn that would make a strong case at the courtyard. | ||
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Rick Deckard
90 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:05 MilesTeg wrote: I'm not surprised. Reddit can be a really scary, really dumb place. It's a great site to share funny or interesting stuff, but when it comes to opinion it is really, deeply, flawed. It encourages the worst kind of herd behavior with its upvote system, and as they've shown it can be really destructive. I hope Stephano doesn't think that the Starcraft/Gaming communities including TeamLiquid is behind this despicable attack. It would be sad if he came to the conclusion that TLers would launch this kind of attack against him. | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:33 blug wrote: Reading this thread, I get the impression that a vast majority of people aren't mature enough to comprehend why this is a problem for the health of a sporting industry. I agree completely. Anyone who is defending Stephano is damaging his reputation even more. If they truly wish for the good of him, they should just be quiet and let the whole thing pass. The quicker everyone forgets the whole thing, the better. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On October 14 2012 01:47 Klipsys wrote: Okay and? You think someone rapes a child and then rushes home to tell his friends about it? Of course I'm going on what he said, there isn't anything else to go on! Well he didn't rush really, he clearly said "yesterday". I suggest you read what Stephano said a few times untill you can at least remember the important details, maybe than you will understand the subtleties behind his words. | ||
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hephaestos
France54 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:28 MattBarry wrote: I sometimes think the TL community can be too thin skinned. I mean come on, saying nigger isn't THAT big of a deal. It's inappropriate but it's not worth emailing sponsors over. However, this crosses the line for me personally. What exactly is funny about pedophilia? I get racist jokes to extent with stereotypes like "niggers love watermelon" and stuff makes at least a basis for a joke. But honestly, WHAT is funny about child abuse? EG is perfectly justified in suspending Stephano. Real funny, claiming to have comitted a felony. Ok, I can try to explain : There is a guy, he is 19 and he had sex with a girl who is 14. Having sex is usually great, especially when you are 19, and you tend to be happy with this. We have no reason to thnik it wasn't great for the girl either, but we really don't know anything about that. So the guy tells his friend that he had sex with this girl, and, since he is aware of the fact that the age difference is quite important, on the verge on being inappropriate, he exaggerates the thing : he poses as a sexual predator. This causes a gap between the reality (two young people having fun) and the story (a pedophile raping a child). The gap, in turn, causes humorous reaction, and, for many people, laughter. For further explanation about the mecanism of fun in general, and laughter in particular, I suggest Laughter by Bergson, although I have to warn you that he was a french philosopher, so he propably wrote the whole crap in blind fanboyism for Stephano. | ||
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Orek
1665 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:25 MilesTeg wrote: Congrats, you managed to make no sense at all. Do you not see the difference between something you would say during an interview, or a show, or while commentating, or something you say while you think no one is listening? Do you never say dumb things with friends or family? This wasn't even a post on a forum, where you take the time to think about what you write. It was a freaking private chat room! Have you ever read one of those? If you could spy on them you could put millions in jail. That's exactly why I only make inappropriate jokes face to face among friends. I consider private chat is not private enough as long as it is on the internet. Only when I can sue the other side for releasing the private conversation, then it is safe to say that it is private enough. You have to be responsible for what you say even in a private chat. | ||
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bakarin
Japan121 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:33 blug wrote: Reading this thread, I get the impression that a vast majority of people aren't mature enough to comprehend why this is a problem for the health of a sporting industry. Or people have a different interpretation of things entirely unrelated to their maturity or lack thereof. We have a great thing in Starcraft with the players really being able to express their own varied personalities to their fanbase. Yes it may sometimes go 'over the top' but it really is a special thing to many of us. As a follower of mainstream sports as well, I personally bemoan the incredibly boring interviews and press conferences that come out of these environments, with the participants media-trained to within an inch of their lives so they can represent their brands. Also I'm going to pre-empt the likely retort that I'm creating a false dichotomy with the only choice being between boring cliched interviews and making jokes about child abuse. That's not the case at all, I'm just saying that every time we get the pitchforks out we're going to as a community see less of the players expressing themselves. | ||
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kinglemon
Germany199 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:35 transcendent one wrote: yeah so if i understand you you choose to believe one half of what he said and not the other half just because you feel like it, about a situation you basically know nowthing about, just saw a jpg. damn that would make a strong case at the courtyard. you totally don't get it. it doesn't matter what i think or believe on the case. | ||
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blug
Australia623 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:39 Wombat_NI wrote: Or people have a different interpretation of things entirely unrelated to their maturity or lack thereof. We have a great thing in Starcraft with the players really being able to express their own varied personalities to their fanbase. Yes it may sometimes go 'over the top' but it really is a special thing to many of us. As a follower of mainstream sports as well, I personally bemoan the incredibly boring interviews and press conferences that come out of these environments, with the participants media-trained to within an inch of their lives so they can represent their brands. Also I'm going to pre-empt the likely retort that I'm creating a false dichotomy with the only choice being between boring cliched interviews and making jokes about child abuse. That's not the case at all, I'm just saying that every time we get the pitchforks out we're going to as a community see less of the players expressing themselves. It's slightly true about players being more hesitant to express themselves, however in this case Stephano knew that he was in the wrong, even if you read his chat log he said "You aren't streaming this are you". I personally believe most players are smart enough to know not to say such vulgar comments on public forums, but making an example of a notable player every now and then will let other players know that it simply isn't ok. You can express yourself without being offensive, and if you can't then perhaps you shouldn't be expressing your feelings in the first place. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:25 transcendent one wrote: I seem to recall Stephano tweeted "it was a joke between friends sorry" so seems like you just posted for no reason at all. Actually that's your post that doesnt make sense. A tweet that happened some time after the joke took place has nothing to do with the content and wording of it. | ||
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BoBiNoU
France181 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:00 Rick Deckard wrote: This information may be useful for the op. Stephano's suspension was due in part to an attack by a team of vigilantes from the 'SRS sub reddit'. They coordinated their attack from this page which contains a list of EG sponsor contact details: http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/111nj7/effort_rstarcraft_is_apparently_ok_with_adults/ It might be possible to mitigate some of the damage by emailing sponsors informing them that the complaints are being made by a group of vigilantes rather than by the Starcraft/Gaming communities. I sample mail is given here: http://www.reddit.com/r/antisrs/comments/11esu2/srs_coordinated_attack_on_sponsors_of_a_starcraft/c6lup6z I hope the reckless SRS vigilante sub reddit is shutdown before they can do more damage to esports. if you listen to this You will realize that the sponsors dont give a damn about who is complaining. As soon as a complaint is made ( backed up with "evidences" or not ), they will threaten to drop their sponsorship to the player's team. That is very sad and that's the danger to E-Sport. When I see idiots here claiming that he deserved it because he's a public figure ( though the whole was done in private ) I think that this community deserves a shitty pool of players with no facial expressions cause it's wrong to express yourself and to joke about everything ( lol @ americans ) | ||
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transcendent one
251 Posts
On October 14 2012 03:47 Cheerio wrote: Actually that's your post that doesnt make sense. A tweet that happened some time after the joke took place has nothing to do with the content and wording of it. the whole "evidence" is a jpg image taken out of context. Stephano's claim that it was a joke is just as good as a proof as that jpg. not to mention that what you quoted 100% negates what the other dude said, so your "makes no sense" comment made no sense. | ||
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