On October 14 2012 02:41 vi4t0r wrote: how many ppl here have a younger sister/ young daughter? what would you do if it was your family member involved?
what is most unsettling about the comments here is that so many advocate doing a minor... even if make a joke, there is a difference between claiming to be willing to do it and actually saying that you've done it...
everyone is free to prefer milfs, plastic dolls, dead ppl, donkeys etc. but at the point when he himself provides a statement strongly implying he actually committed a felony, he is screwing himself up the anus.
take a criminal person who has a 'private' conversation with a friend and brags about how he mugged an older lady the other day... and it somehow gets documented and made public... the private part ain't worth jack (no pun intended)
and one more note to the guy arguing that it is alright for him to say what he did say because his English comprehension lacks quite a bit >> well my friend. if you have no clue about traffic rules and still decide to drive and end up causing an accident, then you just say you wont take responsibility because you didn't know you have to stop on red? great argument ~_~ ...
involved with what?
I could accuse you here: vi4t0r from Poland RAPED A CHILD!
and your case would have the very same amount of evidence as Stephano's. there is nothing to be involved with.
The fact is Stephano said vulgar comments with the intent of being vulgar. You can prance around and call out technicality, however at the end of the day what Stephano said was offensive to a large amount of people. ESports will not be taken seriously as a Sport if such ungentlemanly comments are allowed.
its not offensive since the child he "raped" is non existant.
just how it's not racism if you hate orcs in wow because you know they don't exist.
it's not even offensive for anyone. in what way does a stupid joke offend you. you don't even know the people involved. you're not obliged to watch stephano. he has literally ZERO effect on your life.
from a law point of view, this case is NON EXISTANT. it's a PR problem from EG's perspective, but people who feel offended create the problem out of thin air. they don't achieve anything with this and even if they do that has 0 effect on their lives.
to me it just seems like a bunch of assholes who are bored and just create shit because they can.
Who are you to say it's not offensive to anyone? Are you saying that it is OK for commentators to start making pedo jokes on GSL? There is a line and he crossed it with vulgar comments (Yes they are vulgar).
I personally joke around it with my friends, however if I made a joke like that around my dad, he would get offended. If I made a joke like that around my Religious cousins they would get offended.
Even Stephano said "You aren't streaming right?" at the end of his comments, even he knew that they would be construed as offensive.
So is it offensive? YES! YES IT IS! Not to everyone, but to enough people.
I get it if you don't like it, that's fine. but it doesn't offend you. not liking something and being offended are 2 entirely different things.
What are you talking about? To be offended by something is not limited to personal experience. Being offended is about getting upset by something. Some people aren't like us and aren't able to brush things aside and take more of a literal approach to crude jokes.
there is probably no judge in the entire world who wouldn't laugh in your face if you tried to explain how a joke between 2 guys you have never seen never talked to and connected to noone you know somehow "offends" you.
When did judges enter the argument? EG Strickened it to be inappropriate behavior. They believe there players should withhold some respectability and EG made an example out of him.
So if I were to go to a predominately African American settled area in the US, and screamed out "I hate N_____" then said "DONT WORRY GAIZ, I WAS JUST JOKING!", they would totally just be like..."HAWHAW OK THATS FYNE THAT YOU WERE JUS JK! LOLZ"
Similarly if I said it quietly under my breath in a "private conversation" with a friend, and the wrong person heard, trouble would be expected.
While there are some people here who are not offended and think the community should lighten up, these are the same people need to understand that there are people are offended. This community has a very diverse population, which would surely include people with underage sisters, female children or other forms of relatives in a similar category. Everyone is welcome to their own opinion of this matter, but its just as important to respect each others perspective of this and life in general.
On October 14 2012 03:15 VelJa wrote: I don't understand this. This is a weird reaction. I mean, in US, the most important liberty is the "free-speaking" (AND carry a gun :D) and now, u can't say whatever you want? This is pure shit, and this is scandalous.
Stephano keep on saying what you want and have fun with your friend, some people are just stupid, and you have to deal with it ~~
You don't understand what freedom of speech means.
On October 14 2012 02:41 vi4t0r wrote: how many ppl here have a younger sister/ young daughter? what would you do if it was your family member involved?
what is most unsettling about the comments here is that so many advocate doing a minor... even if make a joke, there is a difference between claiming to be willing to do it and actually saying that you've done it...
everyone is free to prefer milfs, plastic dolls, dead ppl, donkeys etc. but at the point when he himself provides a statement strongly implying he actually committed a felony, he is screwing himself up the anus.
take a criminal person who has a 'private' conversation with a friend and brags about how he mugged an older lady the other day... and it somehow gets documented and made public... the private part ain't worth jack (no pun intended)
and one more note to the guy arguing that it is alright for him to say what he did say because his English comprehension lacks quite a bit >> well my friend. if you have no clue about traffic rules and still decide to drive and end up causing an accident, then you just say you wont take responsibility because you didn't know you have to stop on red? great argument ~_~ ...
involved with what?
I could accuse you here: vi4t0r from Poland RAPED A CHILD!
and your case would have the very same amount of evidence as Stephano's. there is nothing to be involved with.
The fact is Stephano said vulgar comments with the intent of being vulgar. You can prance around and call out technicality, however at the end of the day what Stephano said was offensive to a large amount of people. ESports will not be taken seriously as a Sport if such ungentlemanly comments are allowed.
its not offensive since the child he "raped" is non existant.
just how it's not racism if you hate orcs in wow because you know they don't exist.
it's not even offensive for anyone. in what way does a stupid joke offend you. you don't even know the people involved. you're not obliged to watch stephano. he has literally ZERO effect on your life.
from a law point of view, this case is NON EXISTANT. it's a PR problem from EG's perspective, but people who feel offended create the problem out of thin air. they don't achieve anything with this and even if they do that has 0 effect on their lives.
to me it just seems like a bunch of assholes who are bored and just create shit because they can.
Without police investigation, how can you be 100% sure the child doesn't exist?
Even if there is just a slight possibility of that being true, for this kind of matter, must be taken seriously, investigate first.
I once said "man i just took a massive dump it was about 20kg"
but let me reveal now privately that in fact the crap I took then wasn't truly 20 kg
ok now that I explained the difference between truth and joke, make the conclusion yourself.
your knowledge and doubts doesn't matter at all. and nobody cares if you think it's possible that he raped a child. THE EVIDENCE IS NON EXISTANT FOR THIS CRIME.
but the sad truth is u can have an effect on the sponsors, but if you write them you're just a bored asshole trying to make himself feel important in a really pathetic way.
20kg shit is impossible, but have sex with 14 yo girl is very much possible, so your analogy is false.
I'm not that offended to email sponsors, but some people certainly did, and I think some people believe there is a possibility that being true. Even if they are hurting esports, the behavior of email sponsors is still better than stephano's joking behavior here, even if he was joking.
ok.
I have murdered an albino afro-american yesterday with a hand grenade.
its possible!
Yes, sure, in perfect world, you should be accused and someone should investigate this issue.
MC publicly threatened Huk's life. I'm not even sure if he threatened me or Huk because he used "you" and that means he wants to kill me right?
I propose everyone sends a letter to SK's sponsors to stop supporting this murderer. We cant have killers just threatening people around on the internet. who knows how many people has MC killed in the past. this has to stop.
fellow inquisitors, let the sc2 scene burn in the cleansing flames of the unquestionable authority of reddit posters.
are you serious ? everyone understands that this is just fun mocking by mc.
if you make stupid comments about having sex with children, things get more complicated.
so bottom line, the problem is that not everyone understands Steph made a joke.
so the complication only happens because people are dumb.
who would have thought.
no, you have to make sure people will understand you are just joking. i repeat, you have to make sure.
On October 14 2012 02:41 vi4t0r wrote: how many ppl here have a younger sister/ young daughter? what would you do if it was your family member involved?
what is most unsettling about the comments here is that so many advocate doing a minor... even if make a joke, there is a difference between claiming to be willing to do it and actually saying that you've done it...
everyone is free to prefer milfs, plastic dolls, dead ppl, donkeys etc. but at the point when he himself provides a statement strongly implying he actually committed a felony, he is screwing himself up the anus.
take a criminal person who has a 'private' conversation with a friend and brags about how he mugged an older lady the other day... and it somehow gets documented and made public... the private part ain't worth jack (no pun intended)
and one more note to the guy arguing that it is alright for him to say what he did say because his English comprehension lacks quite a bit >> well my friend. if you have no clue about traffic rules and still decide to drive and end up causing an accident, then you just say you wont take responsibility because you didn't know you have to stop on red? great argument ~_~ ...
involved with what?
I could accuse you here: vi4t0r from Poland RAPED A CHILD!
and your case would have the very same amount of evidence as Stephano's. there is nothing to be involved with.
The fact is Stephano said vulgar comments with the intent of being vulgar. You can prance around and call out technicality, however at the end of the day what Stephano said was offensive to a large amount of people. ESports will not be taken seriously as a Sport if such ungentlemanly comments are allowed.
its not offensive since the child he "raped" is non existant.
just how it's not racism if you hate orcs in wow because you know they don't exist.
it's not even offensive for anyone. in what way does a stupid joke offend you. you don't even know the people involved. you're not obliged to watch stephano. he has literally ZERO effect on your life.
from a law point of view, this case is NON EXISTANT. it's a PR problem from EG's perspective, but people who feel offended create the problem out of thin air. they don't achieve anything with this and even if they do that has 0 effect on their lives.
to me it just seems like a bunch of assholes who are bored and just create shit because they can.
Without police investigation, how can you be 100% sure the child doesn't exist?
Even if there is just a slight possibility of that being true, for this kind of matter, must be taken seriously, investigate first.
I once said "man i just took a massive dump it was about 20kg"
but let me reveal now privately that in fact the crap I took then wasn't truly 20 kg
ok now that I explained the difference between truth and joke, make the conclusion yourself.
your knowledge and doubts doesn't matter at all. and nobody cares if you think it's possible that he raped a child. THE EVIDENCE IS NON EXISTANT FOR THIS CRIME.
but the sad truth is u can have an effect on the sponsors, but if you write them you're just a bored asshole trying to make himself feel important in a really pathetic way.
20kg shit is impossible, but have sex with 14 yo girl is very much possible, so your analogy is false.
I'm not that offended to email sponsors, but some people certainly did, and I think some people believe there is a possibility that being true. Even if they are hurting esports, the behavior of email sponsors is still better than stephano's joking behavior here, even if he was joking.
ok.
I have murdered an albino afro-american yesterday with a hand grenade.
its possible!
Yes, sure, in perfect world, you should be accused.
LOL
Fox-news level guys like you should never decide anything in life, anything at all.
On October 14 2012 02:41 vi4t0r wrote: how many ppl here have a younger sister/ young daughter? what would you do if it was your family member involved?
what is most unsettling about the comments here is that so many advocate doing a minor... even if make a joke, there is a difference between claiming to be willing to do it and actually saying that you've done it...
everyone is free to prefer milfs, plastic dolls, dead ppl, donkeys etc. but at the point when he himself provides a statement strongly implying he actually committed a felony, he is screwing himself up the anus.
take a criminal person who has a 'private' conversation with a friend and brags about how he mugged an older lady the other day... and it somehow gets documented and made public... the private part ain't worth jack (no pun intended)
and one more note to the guy arguing that it is alright for him to say what he did say because his English comprehension lacks quite a bit >> well my friend. if you have no clue about traffic rules and still decide to drive and end up causing an accident, then you just say you wont take responsibility because you didn't know you have to stop on red? great argument ~_~ ...
involved with what?
I could accuse you here: vi4t0r from Poland RAPED A CHILD!
and your case would have the very same amount of evidence as Stephano's. there is nothing to be involved with.
The fact is Stephano said vulgar comments with the intent of being vulgar. You can prance around and call out technicality, however at the end of the day what Stephano said was offensive to a large amount of people. ESports will not be taken seriously as a Sport if such ungentlemanly comments are allowed.
its not offensive since the child he "raped" is non existant.
just how it's not racism if you hate orcs in wow because you know they don't exist.
it's not even offensive for anyone. in what way does a stupid joke offend you. you don't even know the people involved. you're not obliged to watch stephano. he has literally ZERO effect on your life.
from a law point of view, this case is NON EXISTANT. it's a PR problem from EG's perspective, but people who feel offended create the problem out of thin air. they don't achieve anything with this and even if they do that has 0 effect on their lives.
to me it just seems like a bunch of assholes who are bored and just create shit because they can.
Without police investigation, how can you be 100% sure the child doesn't exist?
Even if there is just a slight possibility of that being true, for this kind of matter, must be taken seriously, investigate first.
Those sound like the words of a child rapist trying to pin it on someone else.
I think that there is a slight possibility you are a child rapist, this must be taken seriously and should be investigated.
That's coming from somebody else's mouth, if you accuse me, evidence should be provided, or you will get into jail. This is completely different from Stephano's case, that's from his own mouth, I'm not accusing him, I'm just quoting him.
Seriously? You'd like to accuse someone of some crime so you don't have to provide any evidence, but if someone else wants to accuse you, you suddenly have standards of evidence?
MC publicly threatened Huk's life. I'm not even sure if he threatened me or Huk because he used "you" and that means he wants to kill me right?
I propose everyone sends a letter to SK's sponsors to stop supporting this murderer. We cant have killers just threatening people around on the internet. who knows how many people has MC killed in the past. this has to stop.
fellow inquisitors, let the sc2 scene burn in the cleansing flames of the unquestionable authority of reddit posters.
are you serious ? everyone understands that this is just fun mocking by mc.
if you make stupid comments about having sex with children, things get more complicated.
so bottom line, the problem is that not everyone understands Steph made a joke.
so the complication only happens because people are dumb.
who would have thought.
no, you have to make sure people will understand you are just joking. i repeat, you have to make sure.
I seem to recall Stephano tweeted "it was a joke between friends sorry"
so seems like you just posted for no reason at all.
On October 14 2012 02:59 Kkxtrouble wrote: I don't get the people defending Stephano. Even if it's a joke Stephano is a public figure for Eg. Eg can't afford to have a lose cannon that is bad for business and for the image the company carries. Also, who the hell "jokes" about raping an underage girl?
And I don't get how people can read what he actually wrote, in context, and say there's something wrong.
Not to mention that it was, as far as he was concerned, a private conversation.
...about 100th guy in this thread who thinks "Private Message" in SC2 is actually private on the internet. Is this like new metagame among young kids? I never considered it private. Or, anything you say on the internet is never private enough as far as I know.
Congrats, you managed to make no sense at all.
Do you not see the difference between something you would say during an interview, or a show, or while commentating, or something you say while you think no one is listening? Do you never say dumb things with friends or family?
This wasn't even a post on a forum, where you take the time to think about what you write. It was a freaking private chat room! Have you ever read one of those? If you could spy on them you could put millions in jail.
On October 14 2012 03:21 Incomplet wrote: So if I were to go to a predominately African American settled area in the US, and screamed out "I hate N_____" then said "DONT WORRY GAIZ, I WAS JUST JOKING!", they would totally just be like..."HAWHAW OK THATS FYNE THAT YOU WERE JUS JK! LOLZ"
Similarly if I said it quietly under my breath in a "private conversation" with a friend, and the wrong person heard, trouble would be expected.
While there are some people here who are not offended and think the community should lighten up, these are the same people need to understand that there are people are offended. This community has a very diverse population, which would surely include people with underage sisters, female children or other forms of relatives in a similar category. Everyone is welcome to their own opinion of this matter, but its just as important to respect each others perspective of this and life in general.
what?
So even when I think I'm just having a private convo with my friends I have to adjust what and how i say something on the OFF chance someone gets offended by catching wind of something he shouldn't have heard?
I can totally get it that punishment is deserved if Stephano said it in an interview or w/e, but this?
Wah wah, more whining. If the weekly tournaments got half of the views and replies that these threads saw, the scene would be a lot healthier on the whole.
On October 14 2012 02:41 vi4t0r wrote: how many ppl here have a younger sister/ young daughter? what would you do if it was your family member involved?
what is most unsettling about the comments here is that so many advocate doing a minor... even if make a joke, there is a difference between claiming to be willing to do it and actually saying that you've done it...
everyone is free to prefer milfs, plastic dolls, dead ppl, donkeys etc. but at the point when he himself provides a statement strongly implying he actually committed a felony, he is screwing himself up the anus.
take a criminal person who has a 'private' conversation with a friend and brags about how he mugged an older lady the other day... and it somehow gets documented and made public... the private part ain't worth jack (no pun intended)
and one more note to the guy arguing that it is alright for him to say what he did say because his English comprehension lacks quite a bit >> well my friend. if you have no clue about traffic rules and still decide to drive and end up causing an accident, then you just say you wont take responsibility because you didn't know you have to stop on red? great argument ~_~ ...
involved with what?
I could accuse you here: vi4t0r from Poland RAPED A CHILD!
and your case would have the very same amount of evidence as Stephano's. there is nothing to be involved with.
The fact is Stephano said vulgar comments with the intent of being vulgar. You can prance around and call out technicality, however at the end of the day what Stephano said was offensive to a large amount of people. ESports will not be taken seriously as a Sport if such ungentlemanly comments are allowed.
its not offensive since the child he "raped" is non existant.
just how it's not racism if you hate orcs in wow because you know they don't exist.
it's not even offensive for anyone. in what way does a stupid joke offend you. you don't even know the people involved. you're not obliged to watch stephano. he has literally ZERO effect on your life.
from a law point of view, this case is NON EXISTANT. it's a PR problem from EG's perspective, but people who feel offended create the problem out of thin air. they don't achieve anything with this and even if they do that has 0 effect on their lives.
to me it just seems like a bunch of assholes who are bored and just create shit because they can.
Without police investigation, how can you be 100% sure the child doesn't exist?
Even if there is just a slight possibility of that being true, for this kind of matter, must be taken seriously, investigate first.
Those sound like the words of a child rapist trying to pin it on someone else.
I think that there is a slight possibility you are a child rapist, this must be taken seriously and should be investigated.
That's coming from somebody else's mouth, if you accuse me, evidence should be provided, or you will get into jail. This is completely different from Stephano's case, that's from his own mouth, I'm not accusing him, I'm just quoting him.
Seriously? You'd like to accuse someone of some crime so you don't have to provide any evidence, but if someone else wants to accuse you, you suddenly have standards of evidence?
I didn't accuse him, I said investigate. And I believe your own words on court can be evidence for crime.
I sometimes think the TL community can be too thin skinned. I mean come on, saying nigger isn't THAT big of a deal. It's inappropriate but it's not worth emailing sponsors over. However, this crosses the line for me personally. What exactly is funny about pedophilia? I get racist jokes to extent with stereotypes like "niggers love watermelon" and stuff makes at least a basis for a joke. But honestly, WHAT is funny about child abuse? EG is perfectly justified in suspending Stephano. Real funny, claiming to have comitted a felony.
On October 14 2012 03:21 Incomplet wrote: So if I were to go to a predominately African American settled area in the US, and screamed out "I hate N_____" then said "DONT WORRY GAIZ, I WAS JUST JOKING!", they would totally just be like..."HAWHAW OK THATS FYNE THAT YOU WERE JUS JK! LOLZ"
Similarly if I said it quietly under my breath in a "private conversation" with a friend, and the wrong person heard, trouble would be expected.
While there are some people here who are not offended and think the community should lighten up, these are the same people need to understand that there are people are offended. This community has a very diverse population, which would surely include people with underage sisters, female children or other forms of relatives in a similar category. Everyone is welcome to their own opinion of this matter, but its just as important to respect each others perspective of this and life in general.
It's fine that people have different opinion. It isn't when people try to force their opinions on others. If you're offended, that's too bad for you, but I really don't give a fuck. Don't support Stephano is all I can say. Same thing with Orb (whom I hate) at the time; if you don't like it don't support him by giving him viewers. That's what I did.
A minority of extremists have understood that they can abuse the sponsor system to get off, forcing their extreme opinions on everyone. That is the real problem here.
On October 14 2012 03:15 VelJa wrote: I don't understand this. This is a weird reaction. I mean, in US, the most important liberty is the "free-speaking" (AND carry a gun :D) and now, u can't say whatever you want? This is pure shit, and this is scandalous.
Stephano keep on saying what you want and have fun with your friend, some people are just stupid, and you have to deal with it ~~
just google freedom of speech and you'll notice it is by no means unlimited
example excerpt from wikipedia: " In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, as with libel, slander, obscenity, sedition (including, for example inciting ethnic hatred), copyright violation, revelation of information that is classified or otherwise . "
each society has a code of conduct -> you break rules -> you make ppl angry -> you get slapped in the face
EPT
