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RaelSan
Profile Joined February 2012
Belgium223 Posts
October 13 2012 19:56 GMT
#2001
On October 14 2012 04:43 Incomplet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:25 oZe wrote:
OMG people need to chill the fuk out. A joke IS A FUKIN JOKE. How come people are so caught up in what people say. Like it's more real to say something than to do something. I mean politicians and priests do that shit for real and they almost never get punished.


I raped your 14 y/o sister...








J/k!
I bet you're bursting out laughing aren't you


This closes the whole discussion and proves you are right









J/k !
I bet you are not laughing but I am
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it
hephaestos
Profile Joined September 2010
France54 Posts
October 13 2012 19:57 GMT
#2002
On October 14 2012 04:38 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:30 Al Bundy wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:16 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:07 Al Bundy wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:00 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:55 Arghmyliver wrote:
At least the team punished him so now people can't really pitchfork straight to the sponsors because EG can say they've taken care of it internally. Also - depending on where he was that could totally be legal. In France the age of consent is 13. - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Age_of_Consent_-_Global.svg&page=1

This only happened because of a sponsor writing campaign from a subreddit.
On October 14 2012 03:55 Al Bundy wrote:
This thread is interesting... Good to know that there are so many predators in the starcraft scene.

Come on. This is not even close to an accurate summary of what people are talking about.

I've read the whole thread. We've got tons of people here who are completely oblivious about the law

What aspects of the law?


The age of consent in France is 15, as specified by Article 227-25, which reads: "The commission without violence, constraint, threat or surprise of a sexual offence by an adult on the person of a child under fifteen years of age is punished by five years' imprisonment and a fine of €75,000.

Okay, the age of consent in France is 15 years. Do you have any evidence Stephano had sex with a girl in France who was 14 years old, and whose age he didn't make a reasonable effort to determine beforehand (applicable in French cases as corroborated by earlier posters)? If you do, shouldn't you be talking to the Police nationale instead of TL?

No he should not. That is not a felony but a dismeanor, and not anyone can press charge against him for that (I think only the victim, if she feels such, and her parents could).
fourColo
Profile Joined June 2011
United States363 Posts
October 13 2012 19:57 GMT
#2003
On October 14 2012 04:55 Greenwizard wrote:
Why do we have to punish a teenager for beeing horny ?. This can go on but what's the point .

Do you not understand what happened? Stephano can say whatever the fuck he wants as long as it's not breaking the law. EG can also suspend him for whatever reason they want too! He doesn't own EG. If he wants to be on a pro team where he can say dumb shit and still get paid, he needs to either switch teams or create his own. He is free to do so.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6460 Posts
October 13 2012 19:58 GMT
#2004
On October 14 2012 04:52 Al Bundy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:38 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:30 Al Bundy wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:16 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:07 Al Bundy wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:00 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:55 Arghmyliver wrote:
At least the team punished him so now people can't really pitchfork straight to the sponsors because EG can say they've taken care of it internally. Also - depending on where he was that could totally be legal. In France the age of consent is 13. - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Age_of_Consent_-_Global.svg&page=1

This only happened because of a sponsor writing campaign from a subreddit.
On October 14 2012 03:55 Al Bundy wrote:
This thread is interesting... Good to know that there are so many predators in the starcraft scene.

Come on. This is not even close to an accurate summary of what people are talking about.

I've read the whole thread. We've got tons of people here who are completely oblivious about the law

What aspects of the law?


The age of consent in France is 15, as specified by Article 227-25, which reads: "The commission without violence, constraint, threat or surprise of a sexual offence by an adult on the person of a child under fifteen years of age is punished by five years' imprisonment and a fine of €75,000.

Okay, the age of consent in France is 15 years. Do you have any evidence Stephano had sex with a girl in France who was 14 years old, and whose age he didn't make a reasonable effort to determine beforehand (applicable in French cases as corroborated by earlier posters)? If you do, shouldn't you be talking to the Police nationale instead of TL?

We aren't talking about Stephano. Can you please read our previous posts? This conversation is about people who did post in this thread.

So you didn't think French age of consent law was relevant to Stephano at all, who happens to be the subject of the thread? That is, do you have a reason for commenting on the knowledge or ignorance of posters with respect to French age of consent law? If not, it would appear to be a non-issue. The people in this thread could be ignorant of string theory, but if I posted that, I guarantee it wouldn't look the least bit relevant.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
October 13 2012 19:58 GMT
#2005
On October 14 2012 04:57 hephaestos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:38 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:30 Al Bundy wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:16 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:07 Al Bundy wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:00 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:55 Arghmyliver wrote:
At least the team punished him so now people can't really pitchfork straight to the sponsors because EG can say they've taken care of it internally. Also - depending on where he was that could totally be legal. In France the age of consent is 13. - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Age_of_Consent_-_Global.svg&page=1

This only happened because of a sponsor writing campaign from a subreddit.
On October 14 2012 03:55 Al Bundy wrote:
This thread is interesting... Good to know that there are so many predators in the starcraft scene.

Come on. This is not even close to an accurate summary of what people are talking about.

I've read the whole thread. We've got tons of people here who are completely oblivious about the law

What aspects of the law?


The age of consent in France is 15, as specified by Article 227-25, which reads: "The commission without violence, constraint, threat or surprise of a sexual offence by an adult on the person of a child under fifteen years of age is punished by five years' imprisonment and a fine of €75,000.

Okay, the age of consent in France is 15 years. Do you have any evidence Stephano had sex with a girl in France who was 14 years old, and whose age he didn't make a reasonable effort to determine beforehand (applicable in French cases as corroborated by earlier posters)? If you do, shouldn't you be talking to the Police nationale instead of TL?

No he should not. That is not a felony but a dismeanor, and not anyone can press charge against him for that (I think only the victim, if she feels such, and her parents could).

This is completely irrelevant to the discussion we were having. Again, my previous comments were not about Stephano at all.
o choro é livre
fourColo
Profile Joined June 2011
United States363 Posts
October 13 2012 19:59 GMT
#2006
Why would French age of consent be an issue at all. He's not being convicted. He's getting suspended on a video game team.
Rick Deckard
Profile Joined October 2010
90 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 20:03:28
October 13 2012 20:02 GMT
#2007
On October 14 2012 04:00 SnuggleZhenya wrote:
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On October 14 2012 03:51 Rick Deckard wrote:

If the cost of starcraft becoming mainstream is that the players can no longer be themselves and instead have to present fake politically correct personas then I would prefer starcraft to remain a niche sport untainted by the phony touch of sponsorship money.


I would prefer that players "being themselves" would act like reasonable human beings. If making jokes about having sex with underage girls is "being themselves" then it is "themselves" that I don't like and wouldn't support regardless of how mainstream the scene is.

I'm getting too old for the gaming community I guess, I'm sure I would've been one of the people saying this is no big deal 10 years ago.


Hold on. Stephano never said he had sex with a 14 year old. He may have just hit on a 14 year old girl, making a complimentary but sexually suggestive remark, not knowing her age afterwards, or made out (petting) or just been joking about doing so. 'abuse' is fairly vague word.

Maybe a 19 year old making out with a 14 year old is illegal. Stefano making a joke about it could be a way of seeking clarification. I'm not willing to condemn him the basis of the few off color remarks.

Even if Stephano was making a joke about sex. He did appear to believe it was a confidential conversation. What if it's just his way of inquiring from a peer what is legally and/or socially acceptable?

I think you're making assumptions about his intent (gloating) that are not necessarily accurate, he may have been attempting to make a moral inquiry.

edit: s/abuse/molest
thekaas
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark235 Posts
October 13 2012 20:03 GMT
#2008
A, possibly, offensive joke and a lapse in judgement that happens to get streamed to the world and thus gets blown entirely out of proportion... 'Unfortunate' really is the only word I can use to describe this :/
My liquibets are slightly better than flipping a coin
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
October 13 2012 20:04 GMT
#2009
On October 14 2012 04:58 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:52 Al Bundy wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:38 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:30 Al Bundy wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:16 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:07 Al Bundy wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:00 oBlade wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:55 Arghmyliver wrote:
At least the team punished him so now people can't really pitchfork straight to the sponsors because EG can say they've taken care of it internally. Also - depending on where he was that could totally be legal. In France the age of consent is 13. - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Age_of_Consent_-_Global.svg&page=1

This only happened because of a sponsor writing campaign from a subreddit.
On October 14 2012 03:55 Al Bundy wrote:
This thread is interesting... Good to know that there are so many predators in the starcraft scene.

Come on. This is not even close to an accurate summary of what people are talking about.

I've read the whole thread. We've got tons of people here who are completely oblivious about the law

What aspects of the law?


The age of consent in France is 15, as specified by Article 227-25, which reads: "The commission without violence, constraint, threat or surprise of a sexual offence by an adult on the person of a child under fifteen years of age is punished by five years' imprisonment and a fine of €75,000.

Okay, the age of consent in France is 15 years. Do you have any evidence Stephano had sex with a girl in France who was 14 years old, and whose age he didn't make a reasonable effort to determine beforehand (applicable in French cases as corroborated by earlier posters)? If you do, shouldn't you be talking to the Police nationale instead of TL?

We aren't talking about Stephano. Can you please read our previous posts? This conversation is about people who did post in this thread.

So you didn't think French age of consent law was relevant to Stephano at all, who happens to be the subject of the thread? That is, do you have a reason for commenting on the knowledge or ignorance of posters with respect to French age of consent law? If not, it would appear to be a non-issue. The people in this thread could be ignorant of string theory, but if I posted that, I guarantee it wouldn't look the least bit relevant.

Yes I have a reason to comment on the knowledge or ignorance of posters. These posters are part of the Sc2 community. If these people have a detrimental behavior then we have an issue. After reading this thread, I for one say that if I had kids, I'd think twice before bringing them to a NA starcraft event.
o choro é livre
EvanC
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 20:07:37
October 13 2012 20:04 GMT
#2010
It's not even a joke. He said he "abused of a 14yr old".

You could just chalk that up to "english-as-a-second-language". BLING said "fucked", not Stephano. This has been repeated ad-nauseum but people keep going on and on about how Stephano said he raped a 14 year old.

The word rape never once showed up, it takes a pretty sick mind to go from "abuse" in the context of StarCraft to "rape" IRL. Abuse could mean so many things, including "beating at StarCraft". Hell, so many players directly say RAPE and yet we understand the context of this. For all we know he could have roflstomped Life on the KR ladder.

Once again, thank you to the SCReddit community for screen capping an irrelevant 5 seconds of a stream, and getting a lot of fans favourite player get suspended. I know that my October is significantly less exciting without Stephano participating in leading foreign tournaments.

It boggles my mind how people think "exposing" some kind of alleged misbehaviour will help the scene, or help fans, or help organizations. The tattletales do nothing but hurt the community.

EG's suspension does nothing except hurt the fans.
Govou
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1072 Posts
October 13 2012 20:06 GMT
#2011
On October 14 2012 05:03 thekaas wrote:
A, possibly, offensive joke and a lapse in judgement that happens to get streamed to the world and thus gets blown entirely out of proportion... 'Unfortunate' really is the only word I can use to describe this :/


true but unfortunate situation has to be dealt whether anyone likes to do it or not. That's how it works in real world.

you wanna get paid? gonna have to give up bit of your freedom. especially when you are in a spot light.
mazqo
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland368 Posts
October 13 2012 20:07 GMT
#2012
On October 14 2012 05:04 EvanC wrote:
It's not even a joke. He said he "abused of a 14yr old".

You could just chalk that up to "english-as-a-second-language". BLING said "fucked", not Stephano. This has been repeated ad-nauseum but people keep going on and on about how Stephano said he raped a 14 year old.

The word rape never once showed up, it takes a pretty sick mind to go from "abuse" in the context of StarCraft to "rape" IRL. Abuse could mean so many things. Hell, so many players directly say RAPE and yet we understand the context of this.

Once again, thank you to the SCReddit community for screen capping an irrelevant 5 seconds of a stream, and getting a lot fan's favourite player banned. I know that my October is significantly less exciting without Stephano participating in leading foreign tournaments.

It boggles my mind how people think "exposing" some kind of alleged misbehaviour will help the scene, or help fans, or help organizations. The tattletales do nothing but hurt the community.

EG's suspension does nothing except hurt the fans.

Indeed, if i say i abuse protoss, doesnt mean i rape protoss!
Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
October 13 2012 20:07 GMT
#2013
On October 14 2012 04:56 RaelSan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:43 Incomplet wrote:
On October 14 2012 04:25 oZe wrote:
OMG people need to chill the fuk out. A joke IS A FUKIN JOKE. How come people are so caught up in what people say. Like it's more real to say something than to do something. I mean politicians and priests do that shit for real and they almost never get punished.


I raped your 14 y/o sister...








J/k!
I bet you're bursting out laughing aren't you


This closes the whole discussion and proves you are right









J/k !
I bet you are not laughing but I am


I also raped your 14 year old sister































j/k! I bet you are not laughing but i am.

User was temp banned for this post.
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testthewest
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany274 Posts
October 13 2012 20:08 GMT
#2014
On October 14 2012 04:03 Jisall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 03:52 testthewest wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:38 bakarin wrote:
Wow only 96 pages? EU players aint got shit comparing to NA players on making drama


Nobody in esports scene has come close to that kind of self confession, bro.
Next time you think about airing you pedophilic rape stories, think about it again.
So quick to judge man. You letting this shit consume you. You don't know the situation, his nor hers.

I am upset with EG's decision, if i was stephano I would enter dreamhack n the other competitions under a alias name. Win the prize money and do it for the fans. Fuck EG


Edit:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:01 Assirra wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:51 Rick Deckard wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:39 Wombat_NI wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:33 blug wrote:
Reading this thread, I get the impression that a vast majority of people aren't mature enough to comprehend why this is a problem for the health of a sporting industry.

Or people have a different interpretation of things entirely unrelated to their maturity or lack thereof. We have a great thing in Starcraft with the players really being able to express their own varied personalities to their fanbase. Yes it may sometimes go 'over the top' but it really is a special thing to many of us.

As a follower of mainstream sports as well, I personally bemoan the incredibly boring interviews and press conferences that come out of these environments, with the participants media-trained to within an inch of their lives so they can represent their brands.

Also I'm going to pre-empt the likely retort that I'm creating a false dichotomy with the only choice being between boring cliched interviews and making jokes about child abuse. That's not the case at all, I'm just saying that every time we get the pitchforks out we're going to as a community see less of the players expressing themselves.


Agreed.

If the cost of starcraft becoming mainstream is that the players can no longer be themselves and instead have to present fake politically correct personas then I would prefer starcraft to remain a niche sport untainted by the phony touch of sponsorship money.

MC basically disagrees with everything you just said.
The man has more personality then the whole foreign community combined minus a couple people and look how big Starcraft is in Korea.

MC is also the size of the whole foreign community. Literally. Never liked MC, felt he was too arrogant.


At least he has the balls to go murloc or even undertaker!
I liked Stephano in the beginning, lost some respect for him through his arrogance, but that was too much.

If your job is to be likeable, and you make money of having fans, you can't behave like that.


War is not about who is right, but who is left.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
October 13 2012 20:09 GMT
#2015
On October 14 2012 05:04 EvanC wrote:
It's not even a joke. He said he "abused of a 14yr old".

You could just chalk that up to "english-as-a-second-language". BLING said "fucked", not Stephano. This has been repeated ad-nauseum but people keep going on and on about how Stephano said he raped a 14 year old.

The word rape never once showed up, it takes a pretty sick mind to go from "abuse" in the context of StarCraft to "rape" IRL. Abuse could mean so many things, including "beating at StarCraft". Hell, so many players directly say RAPE and yet we understand the context of this. For all we know he could have roflstomped Life on the KR ladder.

Once again, thank you to the SCReddit community for screen capping an irrelevant 5 seconds of a stream, and getting a lot fan's favourite player banned. I know that my October is significantly less exciting without Stephano participating in leading foreign tournaments.

It boggles my mind how people think "exposing" some kind of alleged misbehaviour will help the scene, or help fans, or help organizations. The tattletales do nothing but hurt the community.

EG's suspension does nothing except hurt the fans.


Does the word "abuse" even better than "fuck"? I would say abuse is even worse than fuck, since in most case "fuck" means that the girl agreed to have sex with him. But the word "abuse" definitely means the girl disagrees with his action, even just hitting is pretty bad.
fourColo
Profile Joined June 2011
United States363 Posts
October 13 2012 20:10 GMT
#2016
On October 14 2012 05:04 EvanC wrote:
EG's suspension does nothing except hurt the fans.

No it doesn't? I know most people here think rape jokes are the pinnacle of humor and basically fall off their chairs laughing at mere implication of non consensual sex, but me and most of my friends are quirky and weird counter-culture beatnik hipsters that aren't big fans of rape. Rape is just too popular for us to like I guess.

So if I try to watch a stream with someone I have to preface it with "hey this is cool, aliens vs space marines, real time chess, just don't mind all the fucking nonstop racism, rape jokes, homophobia etc. Just don't worry about that part! No stop where are you going it's just about to get good.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
October 13 2012 20:16 GMT
#2017
So, the number of pages has tripled since I last checked this thread, and I've found that no one has said anything different that wasn't said the first 30+ pages. Although kudos to everyone, the thread hasn't been closed (yet) and there is no mod note on top of the page. That's freaking impressive for shit like this.
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mazqo
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland368 Posts
October 13 2012 20:17 GMT
#2018
On October 14 2012 05:10 fourColo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 05:04 EvanC wrote:
EG's suspension does nothing except hurt the fans.

No it doesn't? I know most people here think rape jokes are the pinnacle of humor and basically fall off their chairs laughing at mere implication of non consensual sex, but me and most of my friends are quirky and weird counter-culture beatnik hipsters that aren't big fans of rape. Rape is just too popular for us to like I guess.

So if I try to watch a stream with someone I have to preface it with "hey this is cool, aliens vs space marines, real time chess, just don't mind all the fucking nonstop racism, rape jokes, homophobia etc. Just don't worry about that part! No stop where are you going it's just about to get good.

Do you know, that its not a rape if both parties agree to have sex? I dont think stephano even said HE HAD SEX. And also JOKE = NOT SERIOUSLY, it doesnt have to be funny.
gowzer
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom2 Posts
October 13 2012 20:19 GMT
#2019
I "LIKED" stephano but that is way out of line!! there is that many sick bas***ds in the world that actually do that. It's not funny 1 bit. i'm actually digusted in him and i would just get rid of him altogether from EG rather than just suspended!
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
October 13 2012 20:23 GMT
#2020
We did it guys! Our drama reached kotaku!

http://kotaku.com/5951516/professional-starcraft-gamer-suspended-for-saying-he-had-sex-with-a-14 year old
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