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After all the shit went down and Unfiltered covered it I had to read it and damn SC2 is really unprofessional.
The "tiers" in the SC2 scene is so blatantly showed and the links between certain people...
Never saw Tumba to be a big jackass but holy tits!
On October 02 2013 12:23 Dodgin wrote:
So I'm really quite confused after reading that article.
Back in March it was announced over Twitter that filming was to be finished in the following days and then the film would go into complete post production mode.
But the Artosis quote in the article says " Do you know how long it takes to make a documentary? He filmed me recently and we have a little more coming up. by the way, state of play took 4 years, and star nation started before sons of starcraft. This isn't abnormal. I see him all the time, been filmed a ridiculous amount.
I Don't really wanna talk anymore about it to be honest, sorry. Too many retarded witch hunts. "
" He filmed me recently and we have a little more coming up. "
So assuming this is a recent quote, it means they have in fact not finished filming? But if It's supposed to release at Blizzcon that means it must be done or almost done at this point right? How could they possibly still be filming?
Something doesn't add up.
Ofc it doesn't add up.
The "oh we finished filming" have been pushed and pushed again and again! ^^
If it's actually released at Blizzcon I would be surprised, I heavily doubt a random guy would get the stage at Blizzcon to debut his documentary.
And because of the time passed by, there should be at least 20events that theres footage from, it's going to be a big mess to edit all that stuff.
Expectations will be shattered.
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On October 02 2013 12:23 Dodgin wrote:So I'm really quite confused after reading that article. Back in March it was announced over Twitter that filming was to be finished in the following days and then the film would go into complete post production mode. https://twitter.com/SonsofStarcraft/status/317843243284955136But the Artosis quote in the article says " Do you know how long it takes to make a documentary? He filmed me recently and we have a little more coming up. by the way, state of play took 4 years, and star nation started before sons of starcraft. This isn't abnormal. I see him all the time, been filmed a ridiculous amount. I Don't really wanna talk anymore about it to be honest, sorry. Too many retarded witch hunts. " " He filmed me recently and we have a little more coming up. " So assuming this is a recent quote, it means they have in fact not finished filming? But if It's supposed to release at Blizzcon that means it must be done or almost done at this point right? How could they possibly still be filming? Something doesn't add up.
You can do both. They could have the entire thing blocked out, but they need to film a bit more because they want to wrap is up with a follow up or something. They can be done editing, but have a few more scenes to shoot. Its not binary.
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Blizzcon is in a month, so you can all set your alarms.
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On October 02 2013 12:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 12:23 Dodgin wrote:So I'm really quite confused after reading that article. Back in March it was announced over Twitter that filming was to be finished in the following days and then the film would go into complete post production mode. https://twitter.com/SonsofStarcraft/status/317843243284955136But the Artosis quote in the article says " Do you know how long it takes to make a documentary? He filmed me recently and we have a little more coming up. by the way, state of play took 4 years, and star nation started before sons of starcraft. This isn't abnormal. I see him all the time, been filmed a ridiculous amount. I Don't really wanna talk anymore about it to be honest, sorry. Too many retarded witch hunts. " " He filmed me recently and we have a little more coming up. " So assuming this is a recent quote, it means they have in fact not finished filming? But if It's supposed to release at Blizzcon that means it must be done or almost done at this point right? How could they possibly still be filming? Something doesn't add up. You can do both. They could have the entire thing blocked out, but they need to film a bit more because they want to wrap is up with a follow up or something. They can be done editing, but have a few more scenes to shoot. Its not binary.
This doesn't seem to follow the order of operations when making a film that I've read elsewhere. I just find it odd the last real update they gave says " done filming " but then we find out they're still filming 6 months later. Maybe the whole thing is done and they're just adding current timeline interviews for the ending or something though(if we had real updates then I wouldn't have to speculate like this).
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On October 02 2013 12:30 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 12:27 Plansix wrote:On October 02 2013 12:23 Dodgin wrote:So I'm really quite confused after reading that article. Back in March it was announced over Twitter that filming was to be finished in the following days and then the film would go into complete post production mode. https://twitter.com/SonsofStarcraft/status/317843243284955136But the Artosis quote in the article says " Do you know how long it takes to make a documentary? He filmed me recently and we have a little more coming up. by the way, state of play took 4 years, and star nation started before sons of starcraft. This isn't abnormal. I see him all the time, been filmed a ridiculous amount. I Don't really wanna talk anymore about it to be honest, sorry. Too many retarded witch hunts. " " He filmed me recently and we have a little more coming up. " So assuming this is a recent quote, it means they have in fact not finished filming? But if It's supposed to release at Blizzcon that means it must be done or almost done at this point right? How could they possibly still be filming? Something doesn't add up. You can do both. They could have the entire thing blocked out, but they need to film a bit more because they want to wrap is up with a follow up or something. They can be done editing, but have a few more scenes to shoot. Its not binary. This doesn't seem to follow the order of operations when making a film that I've read elsewhere. I just find it odd the last real update they gave says " done filming " but then we find out they're still filming 6 months later. Maybe the whole thing is done and they're just adding current timeline interviews for the ending or something though(if we had real updates then I wouldn't have to speculate like this).
Yeah, he hasn't been providing good updates, but it is coming out. At the end of the day, not everyone is good at this kickstarter thing. Still, here is hoping that the film is good and we can forget about all this crap after it is out.
Really, I hear there was a bunch of SC2 played today and its a bummer that this stuff is everyone's focus.
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On October 02 2013 12:21 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 12:05 BigFan wrote:thanks. First time I hear of Richard but loved the article. Accountability is something that is very important in all aspects of life, not just esports and I think it's expected of those that make promises. If you can't fulfill the promise, apologize and explain why. No need to hide it and hope it blows over. I read it and I felt he painted with a really wide brush. He lumped a lot of people together with varying levels of communication. But I do get his point, but I felt he handled the backlash really poorly. He shouldn't have played the victim, since he knew he was calling out some popular teams.
I never read any of his previous articles but I felt he hit several points and talked about the backlash by a couple of people(totalbiscuit, incontrol etc...).
On October 02 2013 12:23 Dodgin wrote:So I'm really quite confused after reading that article. Back in March it was announced over Twitter that filming was to be finished in the following days and then the film would go into complete post production mode. https://twitter.com/SonsofStarcraft/status/317843243284955136But the Artosis quote in the article says " Do you know how long it takes to make a documentary? He filmed me recently and we have a little more coming up. by the way, state of play took 4 years, and star nation started before sons of starcraft. This isn't abnormal. I see him all the time, been filmed a ridiculous amount. I Don't really wanna talk anymore about it to be honest, sorry. Too many retarded witch hunts. " " He filmed me recently and we have a little more coming up. " So assuming this is a recent quote, it means they have in fact not finished filming? But if It's supposed to release at Blizzcon that means it must be done or almost done at this point right? How could they possibly still be filming? Something doesn't add up.
Maybe they needed to film just a bit more to add into the video?
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On October 02 2013 12:34 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 12:21 Plansix wrote:On October 02 2013 12:05 BigFan wrote:thanks. First time I hear of Richard but loved the article. Accountability is something that is very important in all aspects of life, not just esports and I think it's expected of those that make promises. If you can't fulfill the promise, apologize and explain why. No need to hide it and hope it blows over. I read it and I felt he painted with a really wide brush. He lumped a lot of people together with varying levels of communication. But I do get his point, but I felt he handled the backlash really poorly. He shouldn't have played the victim, since he knew he was calling out some popular teams. I never read any of his previous articles but I felt he hit several points and talked about the backlash by a couple of people(totalbiscuit, incontrol etc...). Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 12:23 Dodgin wrote:So I'm really quite confused after reading that article. Back in March it was announced over Twitter that filming was to be finished in the following days and then the film would go into complete post production mode. https://twitter.com/SonsofStarcraft/status/317843243284955136But the Artosis quote in the article says " Do you know how long it takes to make a documentary? He filmed me recently and we have a little more coming up. by the way, state of play took 4 years, and star nation started before sons of starcraft. This isn't abnormal. I see him all the time, been filmed a ridiculous amount. I Don't really wanna talk anymore about it to be honest, sorry. Too many retarded witch hunts. " " He filmed me recently and we have a little more coming up. " So assuming this is a recent quote, it means they have in fact not finished filming? But if It's supposed to release at Blizzcon that means it must be done or almost done at this point right? How could they possibly still be filming? Something doesn't add up. Maybe they needed to film just a bit more to add into the video?
That is fine, I just think he handled it poorly. Don't be a whiner if you are going to call people out. You are engaging a tough subject and they are going to be defensive. Don't pull out the journalism card like its some shield from angry people you just called out.
Its one of my pet peeves is when people poke the bear and then acted all shocked when it attacks them. Don't get all whiny. Just stand by your work and the facts of your case.
PS: He was also factually incorrect on some stuff with Root, which Catz pointed out. But that was minor.
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lol at artosis quote. he's failing at being a spin doctor: "you going to criticize my friends, WITCH HUNT."
whether this film gets released at blizzcon or not, this was handled completely unprofessional (as expected). its a shame that because of shitfests like this that i can't take this seriously. although it, at least, has a proven track record.
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On October 02 2013 12:34 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 12:21 Plansix wrote:On October 02 2013 12:05 BigFan wrote:thanks. First time I hear of Richard but loved the article. Accountability is something that is very important in all aspects of life, not just esports and I think it's expected of those that make promises. If you can't fulfill the promise, apologize and explain why. No need to hide it and hope it blows over. I read it and I felt he painted with a really wide brush. He lumped a lot of people together with varying levels of communication. But I do get his point, but I felt he handled the backlash really poorly. He shouldn't have played the victim, since he knew he was calling out some popular teams. I never read any of his previous articles but I felt he hit several points and talked about the backlash by a couple of people(totalbiscuit, incontrol etc...). Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 12:23 Dodgin wrote:So I'm really quite confused after reading that article. Back in March it was announced over Twitter that filming was to be finished in the following days and then the film would go into complete post production mode. https://twitter.com/SonsofStarcraft/status/317843243284955136But the Artosis quote in the article says " Do you know how long it takes to make a documentary? He filmed me recently and we have a little more coming up. by the way, state of play took 4 years, and star nation started before sons of starcraft. This isn't abnormal. I see him all the time, been filmed a ridiculous amount. I Don't really wanna talk anymore about it to be honest, sorry. Too many retarded witch hunts. " " He filmed me recently and we have a little more coming up. " So assuming this is a recent quote, it means they have in fact not finished filming? But if It's supposed to release at Blizzcon that means it must be done or almost done at this point right? How could they possibly still be filming? Something doesn't add up. Maybe they needed to film just a bit more to add into the video?
Possibly yes, I just have never heard of filming about a month before the release date. Usually all the filming is done first(this takes less time) and the post production is done after that(this takes more time). I'm curious as to what they are filming, if I had to guess It's probably interviews for the ending.
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On October 02 2013 12:33 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 12:30 Dodgin wrote:On October 02 2013 12:27 Plansix wrote:On October 02 2013 12:23 Dodgin wrote:So I'm really quite confused after reading that article. Back in March it was announced over Twitter that filming was to be finished in the following days and then the film would go into complete post production mode. https://twitter.com/SonsofStarcraft/status/317843243284955136But the Artosis quote in the article says " Do you know how long it takes to make a documentary? He filmed me recently and we have a little more coming up. by the way, state of play took 4 years, and star nation started before sons of starcraft. This isn't abnormal. I see him all the time, been filmed a ridiculous amount. I Don't really wanna talk anymore about it to be honest, sorry. Too many retarded witch hunts. " " He filmed me recently and we have a little more coming up. " So assuming this is a recent quote, it means they have in fact not finished filming? But if It's supposed to release at Blizzcon that means it must be done or almost done at this point right? How could they possibly still be filming? Something doesn't add up. You can do both. They could have the entire thing blocked out, but they need to film a bit more because they want to wrap is up with a follow up or something. They can be done editing, but have a few more scenes to shoot. Its not binary. This doesn't seem to follow the order of operations when making a film that I've read elsewhere. I just find it odd the last real update they gave says " done filming " but then we find out they're still filming 6 months later. Maybe the whole thing is done and they're just adding current timeline interviews for the ending or something though(if we had real updates then I wouldn't have to speculate like this). Yeah, he hasn't been providing good updates, but it is coming out. At the end of the day, not everyone is good at this kickstarter thing. Still, here is hoping that the film is good and we can forget about all this crap after it is out. Really, I hear there was a bunch of SC2 played today and its a bummer that this stuff is everyone's focus.
Do you have some inside info on this?
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Just wait for Blizzcon and then throw all your criticism then, complaining on TL wont make it go any faster and probably wont change the outcome of the final product
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At Blizzcon. It's one page back.
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On October 02 2013 12:46 TAMinator wrote:
Just wait for Blizzcon and then throw all your criticism then, complaining on TL wont make it go any faster and probably wont change the outcome of the final product
No because if that was the case it would have been released a long time ago.
And I think you look at all this the wrong way, it's an actual discussion, if we can't have that... ye.
On October 02 2013 12:46 Plansix wrote:
At Blizzcon. It's one page back.
I think that was just something Tumba threw out because he was mad as fuck.
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On September 05 2013 07:15 krazykoz wrote:
My guess is sometime on Meta in the coming weeks, Artosis will announce the release date telling you that DVDs will be available on handsomenerd.com. A side note, it is pretty interesting how intertwined E-Sports management group, handsome nerd, Meta, Tastetosis, and this documentary all are. Funny they claim to just be some nerds, but they be business-minded nerds, cashing in on the Tastetosis personality while they are still pretty popular.
I think they will release at or slightly before Blizzcon, perhaps the season 3 finals week. It would make the most marketing/economic sense to get it out before the holiday season and Blizzcon will be their best chance to get the most eyes on it. Artosis would definitely plug it if he is commentating there. Not sure if anything in early 2014 would have near the hype that event would.
Called it. Just sad it takes a journalist digging into it to get some sort of comment on the release date. As opposed to the creator contacting his backers on kickstarter, you know, since they were the ones to gave him this once in a lifetime opportunity.
On October 02 2013 12:23 Tobblish wrote:After all the shit went down and Unfiltered covered it I had to read it and damn SC2 is really unprofessional. The "tiers" in the SC2 scene is so blatantly showed and the links between certain people... Never saw Tumba to be a big jackass but holy tits!
Since this topic came back up, I wonder if people have been bothering Tumba. I know they changed their website into the shell that it is now, so they must have been having people contacting them and were tired of it.
On October 02 2013 12:39 dAPhREAk wrote:lol at artosis quote. he's failing at being a spin doctor: "you going to criticize my friends, WITCH HUNT." whether this film gets released at blizzcon or not, this was handled completely unprofessional (as expected). its a shame that because of shitfests like this that i can't take this seriously. although it, at least, has a proven track record.
It is pretty sad that any criticism of Alejos' handling of this documentary is considered a witch hunt. I wonder where he has read this criticism, perhaps people are even emailing him now. Alejos claimed from the very beginning to want to be open with the community that helped make his dream of moving to Korea to be next to his buddies Nick and Dan and film them. Yet he was hardly that. Given eMG was "representing" him, you knew at some point this thing would come out or they would totally tarnish their reputation, but its pretty pathetic how unprofessional it has been handled the entire time given he is being represented by a "professional" management group.
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On October 02 2013 12:47 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 12:46 TAMinator wrote:
Just wait for Blizzcon and then throw all your criticism then, complaining on TL wont make it go any faster and probably wont change the outcome of the final product No because if that was the case it would have been released a long time ago. And I think you look at all this the wrong way, it's an actual discussion, if we can't have that... ye. I think that was just something Tumba threw out because he was mad as fuck.
If it doesn't come out at Blizzcon, him being mad as fuck will be the least of his worries, probably.
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On October 02 2013 11:54 Wedge wrote:Hey, thanks for that link. It was actually a really damn good article, and expressed the thoughts I had been feeling for a while about the SC scene in general. Good stuff by Richard Lewis, need more guys digging for stories and less fluff pieces. Especially love the part about Artosis getting all defensive when questioned, seems like they dont like being held accountable. Bah, a little disheartening but at the same time, not surprising.
Great article, goes to show how juvenile a lot of the scene still is.
I can't help but imagine stuff like this will always stunt the growth of the industry, when content producers make financial backers wait an entire year for a single update.
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On October 02 2013 12:57 krazykoz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 07:15 krazykoz wrote:
My guess is sometime on Meta in the coming weeks, Artosis will announce the release date telling you that DVDs will be available on handsomenerd.com. A side note, it is pretty interesting how intertwined E-Sports management group, handsome nerd, Meta, Tastetosis, and this documentary all are. Funny they claim to just be some nerds, but they be business-minded nerds, cashing in on the Tastetosis personality while they are still pretty popular.
I think they will release at or slightly before Blizzcon, perhaps the season 3 finals week. It would make the most marketing/economic sense to get it out before the holiday season and Blizzcon will be their best chance to get the most eyes on it. Artosis would definitely plug it if he is commentating there. Not sure if anything in early 2014 would have near the hype that event would. Called it. Just sad it takes a journalist digging into it to get some sort of comment on the release date. As opposed to the creator contacting his backers on kickstarter, you know, since they were the ones to gave him this once in a lifetime opportunity. Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 12:23 Tobblish wrote:After all the shit went down and Unfiltered covered it I had to read it and damn SC2 is really unprofessional. The "tiers" in the SC2 scene is so blatantly showed and the links between certain people... Never saw Tumba to be a big jackass but holy tits! Since this topic came back up, I wonder if people have been bothering Tumba. I know they changed their website into the shell that it is now, so they must have been having people contacting them and were tired of it. Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 12:39 dAPhREAk wrote:lol at artosis quote. he's failing at being a spin doctor: "you going to criticize my friends, WITCH HUNT." whether this film gets released at blizzcon or not, this was handled completely unprofessional (as expected). its a shame that because of shitfests like this that i can't take this seriously. although it, at least, has a proven track record. It is pretty sad that any criticism of Alejos' handling of this documentary is considered a witch hunt. I wonder where he has read this criticism, perhaps people are even emailing him now. Alejos claimed from the very beginning to want to be open with the community that helped make his dream of moving to Korea to be next to his buddies Nick and Dan and film them. Yet he was hardly that. Given eMG was "representing" him, you knew at some point this thing would come out or they would totally tarnish their reputation, but its pretty pathetic how unprofessional it has been handled the entire time given he is being represented by a "professional" management group.
Regarding EMG(or I guess It's EMA now), they have a new website http://esportsma.com/ , not really sure why they changed the URL instead of just updating the old site. http://esportsmg.com/ is a barren wasteland but for some reason still online.
When you google " Esports Management Group " esportsmg.com is at the top of the list, which of course, leads to nothingness. Even searching for " Esports Management Agency "(the new name I suppose) leads to not having that new website appear on the first page of Google. Kind of weird that they would make a website when no one can easily find it.
Oh by the way it seems NesTea is no longer part of EMG, or at least not listed on their new site http://esportsma.com/meet-our-clients/.
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There's no shame in saying "we didn't get what we expected and needed to film some more" or "editing is taking a while because we don't know what the fuck we're doing" or even "We've hit one hell of a roadblock and are re-evaluating what we're doing".
I'd love to see a kickstarter campaign where those who made contributions could file legitimate claims on provided funds. I know it would be a pain in the ass but until there's a legit reason for these kickstarted programs to worry about adequately doing their job as they themselves outlined, this kind of thing is going to happen again.
But to be fair, I have no idea what kind of updates they said they'd provide. I'm making assumptions that the backers of this documentary weren't ignorant enough to put thousands of dollars collectively on blind faith that this documentary would get made and would be good without some form of progress updates planned.
I hope it's shown at blizzcon and I hope it rocks because I'm sure as hell not going to put my money down on something like this in the future after this shitstorm. I doubt I'm in the minority of people that think that (though I'm sure I'm in the silent majority if anything).
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I previously was critical of those criticizing the director in this thread, but now I can see there comes a point where people are going to ask questions about why the director hasn't provided an update. To not provide simple updates after being donated money on kickstarter is, simply put, unprofessional.
After reading that article from Richard I really have to commend him for writing it and exposing the hostility he received for questioning these things. It's pretty clear that people got defensive over something that affects their self-interest. To call any questioning of Jeff's lack of updates to the community (which would take 5 minutes if that) a "retarded witch hunt" is approaching dishonesty.
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