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Stop derailing with living cost talk

On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote:
Press Release:

http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012

Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com.

- Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote:
http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims

- Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
September 12 2012 23:27 GMT
#1181
On September 13 2012 08:25 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 08:24 Welmu wrote:
On September 13 2012 08:23 MinistryOfWin wrote:
We didn't wanted to start the flame war but to complete this in civilized manner. Fuzer was reprimanded more than 10 times, about cleaning his room, keeping the gaming room clean, nothing helped. We have decided that we will sign the contract as soon as possible so we can enforce the house rules on him, but he declined. He declined second time.

Streaming time - quote from the contract: 150 hours per month, unless having a series of training events or trips to StarCraft II tournaments. We are all humans, we are not forcing the players to stream 4 hours a day.

Streaming ad-revenue: Thanks to strategic partnership with Twitch, players living in the house still can earn more money from ad-revenue than they normally could, Fuzer didn't even had any partnership before that.

150 hours per month is 5 hours a day....


He meant their players can do 20 hours one day, rest 3 days lolol.


Too bad they are not KeSPA players, who have 8 days a week. That would help so much.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 12 2012 23:27 GMT
#1182
On September 13 2012 08:23 MinistryOfWin wrote:
We didn't wanted to start the flame war but to complete this in civilized manner. Fuzer was reprimanded more than 10 times, about cleaning his room, keeping the gaming room clean, nothing helped. We have decided that we will sign the contract as soon as possible so we can enforce the house rules on him, but he declined. He declined second time.

Streaming time - quote from the contract: 150 hours per month, unless having a series of training events or trips to StarCraft II tournaments. We are all humans, we are not forcing the players to stream 4 hours a day.

Streaming ad-revenue: Thanks to strategic partnership with Twitch, players living in the house still can earn more money from ad-revenue than they normally could, Fuzer didn't even had any partnership before that.


Contracts should be signed beforehand. That was a problem to begin with to encourage players to keep their end of the bargain in the first place. All that time wasted.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26004 Posts
September 12 2012 23:27 GMT
#1183
On September 13 2012 08:25 TeslasPigeon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 08:20 Chill wrote:
It looked really nice. Right, there's a rental fee and some of that fee is subsidized by streaming revenue. Guess what? If you don't like it, then don't live there. This is a privately-run house.


Would be pretty funny if someone who lived their claimed tenant rights and over extended their stay. I don't know how it is in Poland (or maybe EU laws) but in some states in the United States you can't be evicted until 90 days have passed and sometimes only with the force of a sheriff. Even if you're behind rent.

That would be awesome. Especially if they did it in winter. I some provinces in Canada you can't be evicted if the temperature is below a certain range.

I doubt these kind of laws exist in Poland but I have no idea.
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Noispaxen
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland150 Posts
September 12 2012 23:27 GMT
#1184
And yeah, not to mention Fuzer would probably never get any ad revenue from Twitch, since he would not get the standar requirements for partnership, so whining about having to share revenue with MoW is pretty silly here.
http://www.facebook.com/NoispaxenSC2 ||| http://www.twitch.tv/noispaxen
triforks
Profile Joined November 2010
United States370 Posts
September 12 2012 23:27 GMT
#1185
wouldnt fuzer just post the full context refund/war chat if it would help him?
insanet
Profile Joined January 2010
Peru439 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 23:28:28
September 12 2012 23:28 GMT
#1186
On September 13 2012 08:14 MinistryOfWin wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/PFNQU.png

It is all about because we have removed him from the house. He was acting really childish through the past 30 days. Last time he came to me with the money he threw them at me and said "This is the money for my stay".

Furthermore we would like to state, that the Ministry of Win Contract Agreement has been created with the cooperation of the original five guests of the house. It took us two weeks of intense collaboration to ensure that the final document is the most convenient for both the players themselves and us. In light of numerous violations of the house rules and a general lack of respect towards both fellow residents and the staff of Game Zone Sp. z o.o. (L.L.C.) as of yesterday (11th September 2012) Fuzer has been asked to leave the house. An amicable solution could have not been reached although such has been proposed.


This is getting worse, are actually quoting yourself saying "if you start a war you are not getting your money back", thats what you saying becaouse you are using the word OR. You are offering 2 options. You are not guaranteing his money back.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10167 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 23:28:28
September 12 2012 23:28 GMT
#1187
On September 13 2012 08:27 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 08:25 Godwrath wrote:
On September 13 2012 08:24 Welmu wrote:
On September 13 2012 08:23 MinistryOfWin wrote:
We didn't wanted to start the flame war but to complete this in civilized manner. Fuzer was reprimanded more than 10 times, about cleaning his room, keeping the gaming room clean, nothing helped. We have decided that we will sign the contract as soon as possible so we can enforce the house rules on him, but he declined. He declined second time.

Streaming time - quote from the contract: 150 hours per month, unless having a series of training events or trips to StarCraft II tournaments. We are all humans, we are not forcing the players to stream 4 hours a day.

Streaming ad-revenue: Thanks to strategic partnership with Twitch, players living in the house still can earn more money from ad-revenue than they normally could, Fuzer didn't even had any partnership before that.

150 hours per month is 5 hours a day....


He meant their players can do 20 hours one day, rest 3 days lolol.


Too bad they are not KeSPA players, who have 8 days a week. That would help so much.


Kespa players don't have to stream. Just train
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
September 12 2012 23:28 GMT
#1188
the thing is that they didn't want to give him his money back, they only offered him back when he said he would make it public.
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
September 12 2012 23:29 GMT
#1189
Chill, you should add this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=368265&currentpage=58#1154 to the header as MoW response.
oh, hai
Defrag
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland414 Posts
September 12 2012 23:29 GMT
#1190
On September 13 2012 08:27 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 08:25 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On September 13 2012 08:20 Chill wrote:
It looked really nice. Right, there's a rental fee and some of that fee is subsidized by streaming revenue. Guess what? If you don't like it, then don't live there. This is a privately-run house.


Would be pretty funny if someone who lived their claimed tenant rights and over extended their stay. I don't know how it is in Poland (or maybe EU laws) but in some states in the United States you can't be evicted until 90 days have passed and sometimes only with the force of a sheriff. Even if you're behind rent.

That would be awesome. Especially if they did it in winter. I some provinces in Canada you can't be evicted if the temperature is below a certain range.

I doubt these kind of laws exist in Poland but I have no idea.


They do, and besides normal situations, they are completely insane when it comes to woman with children. Basically impossible to evict anyone unless you yourself get them another place to live.
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
September 12 2012 23:29 GMT
#1191
On September 13 2012 08:23 MinistryOfWin wrote:
We didn't wanted to start the flame war but to complete this in civilized manner. Fuzer was reprimanded more than 10 times, about cleaning his room, keeping the gaming room clean, nothing helped. We have decided that we will sign the contract as soon as possible so we can enforce the house rules on him, but he declined. He declined second time.

Streaming time - quote from the contract: 150 hours per month, unless having a series of training events or trips to StarCraft II tournaments. We are all humans, we are not forcing the players to stream 4 hours a day.

Streaming ad-revenue: Thanks to strategic partnership with Twitch, players living in the house still can earn more money from ad-revenue than they normally could, Fuzer didn't even had any partnership before that.


Civilized manner? Than you suddenly complain that Fuzer never cleaned his room and was acting 'childish'.

I don't know if Fuzer or you is looking worse here, but both parties did a lot of things wrong and don't seem very professional.
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
September 12 2012 23:29 GMT
#1192
On September 13 2012 08:28 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 08:27 ragz_gt wrote:
On September 13 2012 08:25 Godwrath wrote:
On September 13 2012 08:24 Welmu wrote:
On September 13 2012 08:23 MinistryOfWin wrote:
We didn't wanted to start the flame war but to complete this in civilized manner. Fuzer was reprimanded more than 10 times, about cleaning his room, keeping the gaming room clean, nothing helped. We have decided that we will sign the contract as soon as possible so we can enforce the house rules on him, but he declined. He declined second time.

Streaming time - quote from the contract: 150 hours per month, unless having a series of training events or trips to StarCraft II tournaments. We are all humans, we are not forcing the players to stream 4 hours a day.

Streaming ad-revenue: Thanks to strategic partnership with Twitch, players living in the house still can earn more money from ad-revenue than they normally could, Fuzer didn't even had any partnership before that.

150 hours per month is 5 hours a day....


He meant their players can do 20 hours one day, rest 3 days lolol.


Too bad they are not KeSPA players, who have 8 days a week. That would help so much.


Kespa players don't have to stream. Just train

Just play games, Stork played WoW and LoL. While JangBi plays like 3 hours a day lol
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
September 12 2012 23:29 GMT
#1193
The only mistake here was having him live there, before having him sign the contract.
N1ceTry
Profile Joined September 2012
United Kingdom6 Posts
September 12 2012 23:30 GMT
#1194
On September 13 2012 08:14 MinistryOfWin wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/PFNQU.png

It is all about because we have removed him from the house. He was acting really childish through the past 30 days. Last time he came to me with the money he threw them at me and said "This is the money for my stay".

Furthermore we would like to state, that the Ministry of Win Contract Agreement has been created with the cooperation of the original five guests of the house. It took us two weeks of intense collaboration to ensure that the final document is the most convenient for both the players themselves and us. In light of numerous violations of the house rules and a general lack of respect towards both fellow residents and the staff of Game Zone Sp. z o.o. (L.L.C.) as of yesterday (11th September 2012) Fuzer has been asked to leave the house. An amicable solution could have not been reached although such has been proposed.


Ouh god, are you six?
That skype conversation is pretty nice. Hour 16+.
So like 2 hours after Fuzer statement on facebook:
"Back in finland, time to start writing a story how MoW house stealed my money "

So... save the nice words.
DesRow talk is worth nothing since hes in MoW for few days and here for free...
So he have to say few sweet. Worth SHIT!

Fuzer got ritght! FIGHT!!
LoL!
wildstyle1337
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland514 Posts
September 12 2012 23:31 GMT
#1195
i didnt know about fuzer before, but i think he will have 4x more viewers now
IcedBacon
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada906 Posts
September 12 2012 23:31 GMT
#1196
I don't even know why streaming is included in the contract, streaming is not how you improve at the game.
"I went Zerg because Artosis is a douchebag." -IdrA
sigma_x
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia285 Posts
September 12 2012 23:31 GMT
#1197
How exactly is a prohibition on 10 years of staying in another gaming house legally enforceable? I would have been interested to see your lawyer's opinion on that ridiculous clause.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 12 2012 23:31 GMT
#1198
On September 13 2012 08:28 insanet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 08:14 MinistryOfWin wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/PFNQU.png

It is all about because we have removed him from the house. He was acting really childish through the past 30 days. Last time he came to me with the money he threw them at me and said "This is the money for my stay".

Furthermore we would like to state, that the Ministry of Win Contract Agreement has been created with the cooperation of the original five guests of the house. It took us two weeks of intense collaboration to ensure that the final document is the most convenient for both the players themselves and us. In light of numerous violations of the house rules and a general lack of respect towards both fellow residents and the staff of Game Zone Sp. z o.o. (L.L.C.) as of yesterday (11th September 2012) Fuzer has been asked to leave the house. An amicable solution could have not been reached although such has been proposed.


This is getting worse, are actually quoting yourself saying "if you start a war you are not getting your money back", thats what you saying becaouse you are using the word OR. You are offering 2 options. You are not guaranteing his money back.


War isn't the best word to use either. It's very hostile and I don't see the problem with having the Manager speak for himself rather than using another agency to publish a story as your PR.

Like what the hell man.
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
September 12 2012 23:31 GMT
#1199
I don't know who is right and who is wrong but

[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it
[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money
[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?


You have gotta be kidding me. That is a scam ffs. What an asshole.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3434 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 23:32:44
September 12 2012 23:31 GMT
#1200
On September 13 2012 08:27 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 08:25 TeslasPigeon wrote:
On September 13 2012 08:20 Chill wrote:
It looked really nice. Right, there's a rental fee and some of that fee is subsidized by streaming revenue. Guess what? If you don't like it, then don't live there. This is a privately-run house.


Would be pretty funny if someone who lived their claimed tenant rights and over extended their stay. I don't know how it is in Poland (or maybe EU laws) but in some states in the United States you can't be evicted until 90 days have passed and sometimes only with the force of a sheriff. Even if you're behind rent.

That would be awesome. Especially if they did it in winter. I some provinces in Canada you can't be evicted if the temperature is below a certain range.

I doubt these kind of laws exist in Poland but I have no idea.


It's downright impossible to have a tenant evicted in a fast manner. It takes anywhere from months to long years, depending on the circumstances. I do not think MoW members are (legally) tenants, however.
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