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Stop derailing with living cost talk

On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote:
Press Release:

http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012

Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com.

- Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote:
http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims

- Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
aMEkaRmy
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada633 Posts
September 12 2012 22:07 GMT
#901
On September 13 2012 07:02 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:00 Mirrikh wrote:
So, MoW gives him contract a bit late, Fuzer doesn't want to sign it and is kicked from the house.

MoW needs to pay taxes for their income, Poland is not Monaco, so they absolutely need a contract.

About the actual statement, it's quite possible that a eSports news site is actually paying for rights to publish it, knowing it will generate quite some traffic on their site.


That's stupid, that's not the reason they NEED a contract.

Why would someone want proof of extra income on paper that they then have to claim?

If they needed a contract so badly, Why could they afford to wait the first month, and pull the pin on him so quickly because he wanted to make sure he is safe?
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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
September 12 2012 22:07 GMT
#902
On September 13 2012 07:02 D_K_night wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 05:20 Vermiiifuuge wrote:
On September 13 2012 05:19 Roman666 wrote:
On September 13 2012 05:16 Vermiiifuuge wrote:
On September 13 2012 05:14 Destiny wrote:
On September 13 2012 05:12 Vermiiifuuge wrote:
On September 13 2012 05:10 Destiny wrote:
On September 13 2012 05:09 Vermiiifuuge wrote:
On September 13 2012 05:05 Destiny wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:57 Vermiiifuuge wrote:
[quote]
Yeah, having to sign an NDA to see the contract seems very legit and doesnt scream "something fishy's going on" at all!


"Something fishy's going", you have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. The fuck are you, some 18 year old frosh in college who thinks he knows everything about the business world?

Ten people want to go to the MoW. Two of them are big names. When negotiating all of the contracts, the house wants to find a way to keep everyone happy but also to keep itself sustained, financially. I know how much you all BLEED E-SPORTS but money is kind of fucking important, the real world doesn't run on HOPES AND DREAMS AND RAINBOWS.

If there were no NDAs to negotiate contracts, the two big name players see that they have to pay a bit more to stay at the house than the smaller players. Now all of a sudden they feel ripped off, and they don't want to go because they feel like they're subsidizing the existence of everyone else there. Now they pull out and the 8 smaller names all have to pay a larger share than they can afford, etc...etc...

Or take teams for instance. You don't think there's an NDA attached to every single contract that a player signs? What if Stephano was being negotiated with and he thought he was worth 2X as much as HuK, and he was able to read HuK's contract exactly. EG now has no ability to negotiate with him.

etc...etc...etc...

There are reasons NDA's and NCC's exist in the business world, and it's not that "something fishy HURR DURR" is going on. It's because people want to protect their financial interests and their ability to operate as a business.

I am quite aware this is the way of the (business) world. But thanks for assuming my ignorance.


>quite aware this is the way of the (business) world.

>thinks NDA's are fishy

Pick 1, buddy.

I dont need to. One doesnt exclude the other.

Edit: and please refrain from calling me buddy, bro.



Please tell me which part of the business world you work in where NDA's do not exist.

I dont work, I'm an unemployed nolife SC2 addict, but please enlighten me what that has to do with anything?

It has to do with business experience. Stop arguing about it, NDA's are everywhere nowadays, in sports, in software engineering, you name it. Either you are trolling or you are being an ignorant dumbass. Please stop doing that.

Just because it's the way of the world doesnt mean it's right.


And you are not going to be the person to change that, and neither are any of us.

I don't understand what your issue is here. I mean...what did you do at your last job? Did you perform services such as fix computers, phone support, or anything like that?

You know as well as we do, that there are certain things at any company, that you don't divulge information to the public on.

Why are you arguing against us with respect to NDA's? Whether you disagree with them or wish they didn't exist?


Wait... ain't NDA usually apply to the party that GETS PAID, not the party that PAYS? I'm sure it happens in certain situations, but NDA against people who pays for a service is shady.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
September 12 2012 22:07 GMT
#903
On September 13 2012 07:05 VPVanek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:04 pallad wrote:
On September 13 2012 07:01 VPVanek wrote:
On September 13 2012 06:25 MinistryOfWin wrote:
We have provided our statement to a trusted eSports news source, who is working on a related story. Coming soon, sorry for the delay.


Is this a joke?
"A trusted eSports new source?" You DO know Team liquid IS NEWS SOURCE for Starcraft2.

You guys are just digging a deeper, and deeper whole with comments like that.


Or maby this news source is TL , at MoW site almost every link leads to TL.


I don't understand why they just wouldn't post it on team liquid then, since it makes it seem like they are posting this somewhere else.


Maby someone is writing it to them with perfect english , and MoW staff is just saying the whole story.. they sit on skype or something.. i dont know...
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Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
September 12 2012 22:08 GMT
#904
Well i guess we can summarize this situation before the MoW statement.

Fuzer is naive and gullible. It's understandable since he's finnish, we tend to trust people way too easily.

MoW Boss seems like a not very nice person and might not have a bright future in this industry. You would think being open, honest and work with the players would be a standard but i guess not
IRL_Sinister
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Ireland621 Posts
September 12 2012 22:08 GMT
#905
On September 13 2012 07:04 Tsunami49 wrote:
Shouldn't the statement be out now? It's 11:03 BST now.


They've already released it to an alternative source.
BadBinky
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland649 Posts
September 12 2012 22:09 GMT
#906
On September 13 2012 07:08 IRL_Sinister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:04 Tsunami49 wrote:
Shouldn't the statement be out now? It's 11:03 BST now.


They've already released it to an alternative source.

Any proof?
It's more important to be tough than to have any fun.
Anton K
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden277 Posts
September 12 2012 22:09 GMT
#907
On September 13 2012 07:08 IRL_Sinister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:04 Tsunami49 wrote:
Shouldn't the statement be out now? It's 11:03 BST now.


They've already released it to an alternative source.


Thank you Sherlock. But that is not what he asked. He asked if the statement shouldn't already be OUT by now.
IRL_Sinister
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Ireland621 Posts
September 12 2012 22:11 GMT
#908
On September 13 2012 07:09 BadBinky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:08 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On September 13 2012 07:04 Tsunami49 wrote:
Shouldn't the statement be out now? It's 11:03 BST now.


They've already released it to an alternative source.

Any proof?


Yeah, about 15 pages back.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
September 12 2012 22:11 GMT
#909
It is good that you shared this info Fuzer. It might be a good warning for those who considered applying to this house.

Can`t wait to see the the type of spin MoW will obviously give this.
Kasu
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom345 Posts
September 12 2012 22:11 GMT
#910
On September 13 2012 07:02 D_K_night wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 05:20 Vermiiifuuge wrote:
On September 13 2012 05:19 Roman666 wrote:
On September 13 2012 05:16 Vermiiifuuge wrote:
On September 13 2012 05:14 Destiny wrote:
On September 13 2012 05:12 Vermiiifuuge wrote:
On September 13 2012 05:10 Destiny wrote:
On September 13 2012 05:09 Vermiiifuuge wrote:
On September 13 2012 05:05 Destiny wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:57 Vermiiifuuge wrote:
[quote]
Yeah, having to sign an NDA to see the contract seems very legit and doesnt scream "something fishy's going on" at all!


"Something fishy's going", you have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. The fuck are you, some 18 year old frosh in college who thinks he knows everything about the business world?

Ten people want to go to the MoW. Two of them are big names. When negotiating all of the contracts, the house wants to find a way to keep everyone happy but also to keep itself sustained, financially. I know how much you all BLEED E-SPORTS but money is kind of fucking important, the real world doesn't run on HOPES AND DREAMS AND RAINBOWS.

If there were no NDAs to negotiate contracts, the two big name players see that they have to pay a bit more to stay at the house than the smaller players. Now all of a sudden they feel ripped off, and they don't want to go because they feel like they're subsidizing the existence of everyone else there. Now they pull out and the 8 smaller names all have to pay a larger share than they can afford, etc...etc...

Or take teams for instance. You don't think there's an NDA attached to every single contract that a player signs? What if Stephano was being negotiated with and he thought he was worth 2X as much as HuK, and he was able to read HuK's contract exactly. EG now has no ability to negotiate with him.

etc...etc...etc...

There are reasons NDA's and NCC's exist in the business world, and it's not that "something fishy HURR DURR" is going on. It's because people want to protect their financial interests and their ability to operate as a business.

I am quite aware this is the way of the (business) world. But thanks for assuming my ignorance.


>quite aware this is the way of the (business) world.

>thinks NDA's are fishy

Pick 1, buddy.

I dont need to. One doesnt exclude the other.

Edit: and please refrain from calling me buddy, bro.



Please tell me which part of the business world you work in where NDA's do not exist.

I dont work, I'm an unemployed nolife SC2 addict, but please enlighten me what that has to do with anything?

It has to do with business experience. Stop arguing about it, NDA's are everywhere nowadays, in sports, in software engineering, you name it. Either you are trolling or you are being an ignorant dumbass. Please stop doing that.

Just because it's the way of the world doesnt mean it's right.


And you are not going to be the person to change that, and neither are any of us.

I don't understand what your issue is here. I mean...what did you do at your last job? Did you perform services such as fix computers, phone support, or anything like that?

You know as well as we do, that there are certain things at any company, that you don't divulge information to the public on.

Why are you arguing against us with respect to NDA's? Whether you disagree with them or wish they didn't exist?

Er, protection of their practises would mean there was a confidentiality clause in the contract. Signing an NDA to even see the contract is not in any way standard practise. Your examples are not analogous to this one.
IRL_Sinister
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Ireland621 Posts
September 12 2012 22:11 GMT
#911
On September 13 2012 07:09 Anton K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:08 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On September 13 2012 07:04 Tsunami49 wrote:
Shouldn't the statement be out now? It's 11:03 BST now.


They've already released it to an alternative source.


Thank you Sherlock. But that is not what he asked. He asked if the statement shouldn't already be OUT by now.


He never indicated whether privately or publicly. The statement is out/released/finished.
insanet
Profile Joined January 2010
Peru439 Posts
September 12 2012 22:11 GMT
#912
On September 13 2012 06:53 Veriol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 06:37 r.Evo wrote:
On September 13 2012 06:32 ErAsc2 wrote:
On September 13 2012 06:23 Sailincieri wrote:
Stupid drama made by Fuzer...

Destiny has 100% right.
Its not some kind of playground :/ Fuzer should read contract before going there, and before he paid.

Boss said some stupid shit too, but MoW have the right not to give all (2000zł) money back.
You reserve a hotel room for a month and a week later you decide to leave. What do you think will happen?

kropekkk is a 'shady' figure, but in this case Law is on the side of MoW.
If MoW decide to give all of the money, it will be only their good will.

Can you not read? He didn't decide to leave, he was forced to leave.

What I get so far is this:
-Arrives at the place without having payed in advance and without having signed a contract.
-Pays in cash without getting a receipt (no other explanation as to why the "Boss" guy claims he has no proof).
-Decides he wants to take more than a couple of days to sign the contract.
-Boss sets deadline aka "Sign my shit or leave"

Dude doesn't want to sign and is forced to leave. Why exactly are you complaining that he was forced to leave? =/


Pretty much this .. From what he wrote i think its his mistake and his laziness.


And you 2, are lazy and mistaken. learn to read please.

- He and MoW agreed that he will stay 3 months and pay 600euros. upon that agreement he decided to fly. they never mentioned the "streaming hours" until he was there.

- He never decided to take a couple of days to sign the contract, he decided he need counceling from his lawyer and if everything was ok he would sign it. MoW difficulted this process and delayed it until last minute.

stop spreading misinformation please.
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
September 12 2012 22:12 GMT
#913
On September 13 2012 07:09 BadBinky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:08 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On September 13 2012 07:04 Tsunami49 wrote:
Shouldn't the statement be out now? It's 11:03 BST now.


They've already released it to an alternative source.

Any proof?

On September 13 2012 06:25 MinistryOfWin wrote:
We have provided our statement to a trusted eSports news source, who is working on a related story. Coming soon, sorry for the delay.



Dig in the thread first a little. What in the world could we be discussing about the logistics of news sources and delay tactics?

Anyhow, waiting and waiting for a resolution or lack thereof.
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Coated
Profile Joined August 2011
United States74 Posts
September 12 2012 22:13 GMT
#914
MoW was just a gimmick. There was high hopes when they were announcing the acquisition of 'any' potential players from any league, but they went with the latter. They chose 'gimmicky' players who were already established and going no where, all so they could make more money off streams. MoW holds nothing IMO in the SC2 world (whats left of it). It almost sounds like this group has adopted the idea of adding drama to the SC2 scene just to get more attention. Lets face it, they sure as hell arent getting attention from the level of skill they recruited.

Still, you have to wonder why players like Destiny even agreed to join. I have to imagine he didn't sign a contract giving MoW any portion of his streaming salary. If anything, MoW should pay him just for the exposer. I'm not talking up Destiny, he is one of those players going no where. I'm just saying that he already had a following of 2-3k people and would continue to have that regardless of MoW recruitment.
Another one bites the dust
Anton K
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden277 Posts
September 12 2012 22:13 GMT
#915
On September 13 2012 07:11 IRL_Sinister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:09 Anton K wrote:
On September 13 2012 07:08 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On September 13 2012 07:04 Tsunami49 wrote:
Shouldn't the statement be out now? It's 11:03 BST now.


They've already released it to an alternative source.


Thank you Sherlock. But that is not what he asked. He asked if the statement shouldn't already be OUT by now.


He never indicated whether privately or publicly. The statement is out/released/finished.


No the statement is not out. When a statement is out it is out for the public to read.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
September 12 2012 22:13 GMT
#916
My mom always told me not to trust anything with the word Ministry in it.
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
September 12 2012 22:14 GMT
#917
On September 13 2012 07:13 Fionn wrote:
My mom always told me not to trust anything with the word Ministry in it.


Harry Potter taught me that one.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
September 12 2012 22:14 GMT
#918
On September 13 2012 07:13 Fionn wrote:
My mom always told me not to trust anything with the word Ministry in it.

lols that made me giggle.
Getting too old for this..
Th30nE
Profile Joined July 2010
United States44 Posts
September 12 2012 22:14 GMT
#919
On September 13 2012 06:25 MinistryOfWin wrote:
We have provided our statement to a trusted eSports news source, who is working on a related story. Coming soon, sorry for the delay.


What E-Sports news source is more trusted than TL? Please release your statement, this is starting to get very out of hand and the longer you wait the more people will be chasing behind you with pitchforks.
play hard, train hard, focus, be happy.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 22:15:37
September 12 2012 22:14 GMT
#920
On September 13 2012 07:12 Bippzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:09 BadBinky wrote:
On September 13 2012 07:08 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On September 13 2012 07:04 Tsunami49 wrote:
Shouldn't the statement be out now? It's 11:03 BST now.


They've already released it to an alternative source.

Any proof?

Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 06:25 MinistryOfWin wrote:
We have provided our statement to a trusted eSports news source, who is working on a related story. Coming soon, sorry for the delay.



Dig in the thread first a little. What in the world could we be discussing about the logistics of news sources and delay tactics?

Anyhow, waiting and waiting for a resolution or lack thereof.

Am I nitpicking here? Perhaps.

Them just saying they've released it to them is not in any way proof that they've actually released it to them.



Oh about this whole thing, I've never had a reason to not trust Fuzer and that MoW stuff seems shady as all hell. Very likely the contract is full of shit and a real lawyer could have a field day with it.
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