Drama in MoW house. - Page 46

Stop derailing with living cost talk

On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote:
Press Release:

http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012

Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com.

- Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote:
http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims

- Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

aMEkaRmy

Canada633 Posts

September 12 2012 22:07 GMT

#901

On September 13 2012 07:02 Zorkmid wrote:

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That's stupid, that's not the reason they NEED a contract.

Why would someone want proof of extra income on paper that they then have to claim?

If they needed a contract so badly, Why could they afford to wait the first month, and pull the pin on him so quickly because he wanted to make sure he is safe?

ragz_gt

9172 Posts

September 12 2012 22:07 GMT

#902

On September 13 2012 07:02 D_K_night wrote:

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On September 13 2012 05:20 Vermiiifuuge wrote:

On September 13 2012 05:19 Roman666 wrote:

On September 13 2012 05:16 Vermiiifuuge wrote:

On September 13 2012 05:14 Destiny wrote:

On September 13 2012 05:12 Vermiiifuuge wrote:

On September 13 2012 05:10 Destiny wrote:

On September 13 2012 05:09 Vermiiifuuge wrote:

On September 13 2012 05:05 Destiny wrote:

On September 13 2012 04:57 Vermiiifuuge wrote:
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Yeah, having to sign an NDA to see the contract seems very legit and doesnt scream "something fishy's going on" at all!

"Something fishy's going", you have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. The fuck are you, some 18 year old frosh in college who thinks he knows everything about the business world?

Ten people want to go to the MoW. Two of them are big names. When negotiating all of the contracts, the house wants to find a way to keep everyone happy but also to keep itself sustained, financially. I know how much you all BLEED E-SPORTS but money is kind of fucking important, the real world doesn't run on HOPES AND DREAMS AND RAINBOWS.

If there were no NDAs to negotiate contracts, the two big name players see that they have to pay a bit more to stay at the house than the smaller players. Now all of a sudden they feel ripped off, and they don't want to go because they feel like they're subsidizing the existence of everyone else there. Now they pull out and the 8 smaller names all have to pay a larger share than they can afford, etc...etc...

Or take teams for instance. You don't think there's an NDA attached to every single contract that a player signs? What if Stephano was being negotiated with and he thought he was worth 2X as much as HuK, and he was able to read HuK's contract exactly. EG now has no ability to negotiate with him.

etc...etc...etc...

There are reasons NDA's and NCC's exist in the business world, and it's not that "something fishy HURR DURR" is going on. It's because people want to protect their financial interests and their ability to operate as a business.

I am quite aware this is the way of the (business) world. But thanks for assuming my ignorance.

>quite aware this is the way of the (business) world.

>thinks NDA's are fishy

Pick 1, buddy.

I dont need to. One doesnt exclude the other.

Edit: and please refrain from calling me buddy, bro.

Please tell me which part of the business world you work in where NDA's do not exist.

I dont work, I'm an unemployed nolife SC2 addict, but please enlighten me what that has to do with anything?

It has to do with business experience. Stop arguing about it, NDA's are everywhere nowadays, in sports, in software engineering, you name it. Either you are trolling or you are being an ignorant dumbass. Please stop doing that.

Just because it's the way of the world doesnt mean it's right.

And you are not going to be the person to change that, and neither are any of us.

I don't understand what your issue is here. I mean...what did you do at your last job? Did you perform services such as fix computers, phone support, or anything like that?

You know as well as we do, that there are certain things at any company, that you don't divulge information to the public on.

Why are you arguing against us with respect to NDA's? Whether you disagree with them or wish they didn't exist?

Wait... ain't NDA usually apply to the party that GETS PAID, not the party that PAYS? I'm sure it happens in certain situations, but NDA against people who pays for a service is shady.

pallad

Poland1958 Posts

September 12 2012 22:07 GMT

#903

On September 13 2012 07:05 VPVanek wrote:

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I don't understand why they just wouldn't post it on team liquid then, since it makes it seem like they are posting this somewhere else.

Maby someone is writing it to them with perfect english , and MoW staff is just saying the whole story.. they sit on skype or something.. i dont know...

Daray

6006 Posts

September 12 2012 22:08 GMT

#904

Well i guess we can summarize this situation before the MoW statement.

Fuzer is naive and gullible. It's understandable since he's finnish, we tend to trust people way too easily.

MoW Boss seems like a not very nice person and might not have a bright future in this industry. You would think being open, honest and work with the players would be a standard but i guess not

IRL_Sinister

Ireland621 Posts

September 12 2012 22:08 GMT

#905

On September 13 2012 07:04 Tsunami49 wrote:
Shouldn't the statement be out now? It's 11:03 BST now.

They've already released it to an alternative source.

BadBinky

Finland649 Posts

September 12 2012 22:09 GMT

#906

On September 13 2012 07:08 IRL_Sinister wrote:

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They've already released it to an alternative source.

Any proof?

Anton K

Sweden277 Posts

September 12 2012 22:09 GMT

#907

On September 13 2012 07:08 IRL_Sinister wrote:

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They've already released it to an alternative source.

Thank you Sherlock. But that is not what he asked. He asked if the statement shouldn't already be OUT by now.

IRL_Sinister

Ireland621 Posts

September 12 2012 22:11 GMT

#908

On September 13 2012 07:09 BadBinky wrote:

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Any proof?

Yeah, about 15 pages back.

mango_destroyer

Canada3914 Posts

September 12 2012 22:11 GMT

#909

It is good that you shared this info Fuzer. It might be a good warning for those who considered applying to this house.

Can`t wait to see the the type of spin MoW will obviously give this.

Kasu

United Kingdom345 Posts

September 12 2012 22:11 GMT

#910

On September 13 2012 07:02 D_K_night wrote:

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On September 13 2012 05:20 Vermiiifuuge wrote:

On September 13 2012 05:19 Roman666 wrote:

On September 13 2012 05:16 Vermiiifuuge wrote:

On September 13 2012 05:14 Destiny wrote:

On September 13 2012 05:12 Vermiiifuuge wrote:

On September 13 2012 05:10 Destiny wrote:

On September 13 2012 05:09 Vermiiifuuge wrote:

On September 13 2012 05:05 Destiny wrote:

On September 13 2012 04:57 Vermiiifuuge wrote:
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Yeah, having to sign an NDA to see the contract seems very legit and doesnt scream "something fishy's going on" at all!

I am quite aware this is the way of the (business) world. But thanks for assuming my ignorance.

>quite aware this is the way of the (business) world.

>thinks NDA's are fishy

Pick 1, buddy.

I dont need to. One doesnt exclude the other.

Edit: and please refrain from calling me buddy, bro.

Please tell me which part of the business world you work in where NDA's do not exist.

I dont work, I'm an unemployed nolife SC2 addict, but please enlighten me what that has to do with anything?

Just because it's the way of the world doesnt mean it's right.

Er, protection of their practises would mean there was a confidentiality clause in the contract. Signing an NDA to even see the contract is not in any way standard practise. Your examples are not analogous to this one.

IRL_Sinister

Ireland621 Posts

September 12 2012 22:11 GMT

#911

On September 13 2012 07:09 Anton K wrote:

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Thank you Sherlock. But that is not what he asked. He asked if the statement shouldn't already be OUT by now.

He never indicated whether privately or publicly. The statement is out/released/finished.

insanet

Peru439 Posts

September 12 2012 22:11 GMT

#912

On September 13 2012 06:53 Veriol wrote:

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Pretty much this .. From what he wrote i think its his mistake and his laziness.

And you 2, are lazy and mistaken. learn to read please.

- He and MoW agreed that he will stay 3 months and pay 600euros. upon that agreement he decided to fly. they never mentioned the "streaming hours" until he was there.

- He never decided to take a couple of days to sign the contract, he decided he need counceling from his lawyer and if everything was ok he would sign it. MoW difficulted this process and delayed it until last minute.

stop spreading misinformation please.

Bippzy

United States1466 Posts

September 12 2012 22:12 GMT

#913

On September 13 2012 07:09 BadBinky wrote:

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Any proof?

On September 13 2012 06:25 MinistryOfWin wrote:
We have provided our statement to a trusted eSports news source, who is working on a related story. Coming soon, sorry for the delay.

Dig in the thread first a little. What in the world could we be discussing about the logistics of news sources and delay tactics?

Anyhow, waiting and waiting for a resolution or lack thereof.

Coated

United States74 Posts

September 12 2012 22:13 GMT

#914

MoW was just a gimmick. There was high hopes when they were announcing the acquisition of 'any' potential players from any league, but they went with the latter. They chose 'gimmicky' players who were already established and going no where, all so they could make more money off streams. MoW holds nothing IMO in the SC2 world (whats left of it). It almost sounds like this group has adopted the idea of adding drama to the SC2 scene just to get more attention. Lets face it, they sure as hell arent getting attention from the level of skill they recruited.

Still, you have to wonder why players like Destiny even agreed to join. I have to imagine he didn't sign a contract giving MoW any portion of his streaming salary. If anything, MoW should pay him just for the exposer. I'm not talking up Destiny, he is one of those players going no where. I'm just saying that he already had a following of 2-3k people and would continue to have that regardless of MoW recruitment.

Anton K

Sweden277 Posts

September 12 2012 22:13 GMT

#915

On September 13 2012 07:11 IRL_Sinister wrote:

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He never indicated whether privately or publicly. The statement is out/released/finished.

No the statement is not out. When a statement is out it is out for the public to read.

Fionn

United States23455 Posts

September 12 2012 22:13 GMT

#916

My mom always told me not to trust anything with the word Ministry in it.

TheDougler

Canada8324 Posts

September 12 2012 22:14 GMT

#917

On September 13 2012 07:13 Fionn wrote:
My mom always told me not to trust anything with the word Ministry in it.

Harry Potter taught me that one.

Danzo

2820 Posts

September 12 2012 22:14 GMT

#918

On September 13 2012 07:13 Fionn wrote:
My mom always told me not to trust anything with the word Ministry in it.

lols that made me giggle.

Th30nE

United States44 Posts

September 12 2012 22:14 GMT

#919

On September 13 2012 06:25 MinistryOfWin wrote:
We have provided our statement to a trusted eSports news source, who is working on a related story. Coming soon, sorry for the delay.

What E-Sports news source is more trusted than TL? Please release your statement, this is starting to get very out of hand and the longer you wait the more people will be chasing behind you with pitchforks.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

September 12 2012 22:14 GMT

#920

On September 13 2012 07:12 Bippzy wrote:

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Dig in the thread first a little. What in the world could we be discussing about the logistics of news sources and delay tactics?

Anyhow, waiting and waiting for a resolution or lack thereof.

Am I nitpicking here? Perhaps.

Them just saying they've released it to them is not in any way proof that they've actually released it to them.

Oh about this whole thing, I've never had a reason to not trust Fuzer and that MoW stuff seems shady as all hell. Very likely the contract is full of shit and a real lawyer could have a field day with it.

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