On September 13 2012 06:57 AwfulPlayer wrote: pity, i was hoping for a statement before live on three starts
or maybe the statement is actually an announcement: sc2 team arena lan at the ministry of win, organized by gus ledesma. teams attending: blight gaming
That was actually quite funny. But it might turn into that :/
Hopefully not, there's a few quite well known players in MoW. As long as they're having a good time there we don't want MoW to go to shit.
On September 13 2012 06:25 MinistryOfWin wrote: We have provided our statement to a trusted eSports news source, who is working on a related story. Coming soon, sorry for the delay.
Is this a joke? "A trusted eSports new source?" You DO know Team liquid IS NEWS SOURCE for Starcraft2.
You guys are just digging a deeper, and deeper whole with comments like that.
On September 13 2012 06:53 reddog1999 wrote: So fuzer stayed there 1 month? was the contract even mentioned before he came or during his first month stay? Second month he pays and gets brought a contact? Why was the contract not enforced to be signed before the second month's payment if it was neglected prior to his arrival.
Not requesting a contract before hand is not the smartest thing to do, but come on it might be the last thing on a "gamers" mind. If someone has never dealt with contracts he might not of even known there was going to be one in the first place, since he was paying them. Regardless terrible management from MOW, this contract should of been handled way sooner then after the second month if I have understood that Fuzer was there for that long.
6 days he said.
Fuzer was there 1month and 6 days. He already paid for the second month before seeing the contract.
On September 13 2012 06:47 Narw wrote: Keep on nerding on drama, nerds.
This is more than drama, it's people being taken advantage of by poor business practices and shady organizations.
No, this is a post that is made by a person that is disapointed by service that he paid for. I actually tried to read thru this thread, but got bored after i noticed it's just another e-sports witch hunt at this point. You don't know MoW side of story, all there is Fuzer post. Fuzer who is side in this "conflict" and propably is at least a bit biased. So instead of waiting for MoW statement 90% of posters here already decided that MoW is evil and should be burned.
Yeah, no drama hunting here.
If MoW had nothing to fear they shouldn't have delayed this long, especially if Fuzer's story has no truth in it.
On September 13 2012 06:44 carloselcoco wrote: LOL! Why the hell are you here then? You clearly do not think that this problem is a news story.
Wat. I don't even...
Don't put words in my mouth. Yes it's bad to say they will release a statement in 2 hours and then not do it, maybe there is some miscommunication going on at mow itself. All I'm saying is that people should at least wait for the statement to be out before they get their pitchforks.
Seems to me that MoW have given their "statement" to someone to pretty up and fill full of pink floating elephants and lots of fluff to attempt to make themselves look fluffy and cute and fuzer like a raging emo-asshole.
I know who I believe in this entire debacle.
Someone provides an exposé of your business and the lack of response is...deafening.
MoW's stalling tactic gives me a bad taste. As someone before me posted, they usedTL for every announcement in the past, but now they choose a different option? Here it started and here they should respond. Asap.
On September 13 2012 04:54 Destiny wrote: [quote] You sign an NDA to see the contract. You can't just send it off to random people, there needs to be evidence that someone is working as a legal counsel to the party you're contracting. It's not just a "oh trust me he's my lawyer" kind of thing.
Jesus, I understand how much we all love to get in on the drama and what not, but if you don't have at least the basic semblance of business sense why even bother posting in this thread?
Yeah, having to sign an NDA to see the contract seems very legit and doesnt scream "something fishy's going on" at all!
"Something fishy's going", you have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. The fuck are you, some 18 year old frosh in college who thinks he knows everything about the business world?
Ten people want to go to the MoW. Two of them are big names. When negotiating all of the contracts, the house wants to find a way to keep everyone happy but also to keep itself sustained, financially. I know how much you all BLEED E-SPORTS but money is kind of fucking important, the real world doesn't run on HOPES AND DREAMS AND RAINBOWS.
If there were no NDAs to negotiate contracts, the two big name players see that they have to pay a bit more to stay at the house than the smaller players. Now all of a sudden they feel ripped off, and they don't want to go because they feel like they're subsidizing the existence of everyone else there. Now they pull out and the 8 smaller names all have to pay a larger share than they can afford, etc...etc...
Or take teams for instance. You don't think there's an NDA attached to every single contract that a player signs? What if Stephano was being negotiated with and he thought he was worth 2X as much as HuK, and he was able to read HuK's contract exactly. EG now has no ability to negotiate with him.
etc...etc...etc...
There are reasons NDA's and NCC's exist in the business world, and it's not that "something fishy HURR DURR" is going on. It's because people want to protect their financial interests and their ability to operate as a business.
I am quite aware this is the way of the (business) world. But thanks for assuming my ignorance.
>quite aware this is the way of the (business) world.
>thinks NDA's are fishy
Pick 1, buddy.
I dont need to. One doesnt exclude the other.
Edit: and please refrain from calling me buddy, bro.
Please tell me which part of the business world you work in where NDA's do not exist.
I dont work, I'm an unemployed nolife SC2 addict, but please enlighten me what that has to do with anything?
It has to do with business experience. Stop arguing about it, NDA's are everywhere nowadays, in sports, in software engineering, you name it. Either you are trolling or you are being an ignorant dumbass. Please stop doing that.
Just because it's the way of the world doesnt mean it's right.
And you are not going to be the person to change that, and neither are any of us.
I don't understand what your issue is here. I mean...what did you do at your last job? Did you perform services such as fix computers, phone support, or anything like that?
You know as well as we do, that there are certain things at any company, that you don't divulge information to the public on.
Why are you arguing against us with respect to NDA's? Whether you disagree with them or wish they didn't exist?
On September 13 2012 07:00 Mirrikh wrote: So, MoW gives him contract a bit late, Fuzer doesn't want to sign it and is kicked from the house.
MoW needs to pay taxes for their income, Poland is not Monaco, so they absolutely need a contract.
About the actual statement, it's quite possible that a eSports news site is actually paying for rights to publish it, knowing it will generate quite some traffic on their site.
That's stupid, that's not the reason they NEED a contract.
Why would someone want proof of extra income on paper that they then have to claim?
On September 13 2012 06:57 AwfulPlayer wrote: pity, i was hoping for a statement before live on three starts
or maybe the statement is actually an announcement: sc2 team arena lan at the ministry of win, organized by gus ledesma. teams attending: blight gaming
Sorry i dont get that... ;(
ppl with shady dealings/scamming in sc2
gus: was just way in over his head and didn't have the skills. blight: owner just sounds so sketch and is vague and doesn't provide any facts MoW: this whole thing.
interested in reading the statement, despite having to wait longer...=/
On September 13 2012 06:25 MinistryOfWin wrote: We have provided our statement to a trusted eSports news source, who is working on a related story. Coming soon, sorry for the delay.
Is this a joke? "A trusted eSports new source?" You DO know Team liquid IS NEWS SOURCE for Starcraft2.
You guys are just digging a deeper, and deeper whole with comments like that.
Or maby this news source is TL , at MoW site almost every link leads to TL.
On September 13 2012 06:25 MinistryOfWin wrote: We have provided our statement to a trusted eSports news source, who is working on a related story. Coming soon, sorry for the delay.
Is this a joke? "A trusted eSports new source?" You DO know Team liquid IS NEWS SOURCE for Starcraft2.
You guys are just digging a deeper, and deeper whole with comments like that.
Or maby this news source is TL , at MoW site almost every link leads to TL.
I don't understand why they just wouldn't post it on team liquid then, since it makes it seem like they are posting this somewhere else.
On September 13 2012 07:02 Xorphene wrote: Seems to me that MoW have given their "statement" to someone to pretty up and fill full of pink floating elephants and lots of fluff to attempt to make themselves look fluffy and cute and fuzer like a raging emo-asshole.
I know who I believe in this entire debacle.
Someone provides an exposé of your business and the lack of response is...deafening.
On September 13 2012 06:25 MinistryOfWin wrote: We have provided our statement to a trusted eSports news source, who is working on a related story. Coming soon, sorry for the delay.
Is this a joke? "A trusted eSports new source?" You DO know Team liquid IS NEWS SOURCE for Starcraft2.
You guys are just digging a deeper, and deeper whole with comments like that.
I'm worried they'll post it on some Polish only site and it will be lost forever. But maybe they'll prove that wrong.
On September 13 2012 06:47 Narw wrote: Keep on nerding on drama, nerds.
This is more than drama, it's people being taken advantage of by poor business practices and shady organizations.
No, this is a post that is made by a person that is disapointed by service that he paid for. I actually tried to read thru this thread, but got bored after i noticed it's just another e-sports witch hunt at this point. You don't know MoW side of story, all there is Fuzer post. Fuzer who is side in this "conflict" and propably is at least a bit biased. So instead of waiting for MoW statement 90% of posters here already decided that MoW is evil and should be burned.
Yeah, no drama hunting here.
It is my opinion you're exaggerating. It's discussion over controversy: The most interesting thing that could happen on TL. Witch-hunts tend to be an over-exaggeration based off of what happened to previous maphacker accused of maphack again. I would claim here that the community tends to look upon the well-being of the players as a neccesity. So, MoW has yet to refute any of these claims(and like the girl who dresses like she wants sex and then gets raped, it partly becomes the victims fault in the eyes of many), and is ambiguous still in keeping up with it's announcement timeline.
The weight of the community of TL is sort of like a police-force of eSports. You don't treat players badly, we're TL. You don't maphack, we're TL. You make your tourney streams better, we're TL.
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