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Stop derailing with living cost talk

On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote:
Press Release:

http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012

Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com.

- Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote:
http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims

- Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Aakoz
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden45 Posts
September 12 2012 21:44 GMT
#841
Treat our awsome starcraft 2 players good or gtfo MoW! >.<
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3433 Posts
September 12 2012 21:44 GMT
#842
600 euro is a lot of money, but it's nothing exceptional for Polish standards, to be honest. The average salary is about 900 euro (and that's average, so there's people working for as low as 366 eur a month - which is the lowest possbile pay for 160 hours of work - and there's people earning many times the average). The house is huge, it's in Warsaw - the upkeep consumes a shitload of money. MoW is supposed to be a business, so they need to make a profit on top of covering said costs.

That said, getting a cut from the players' stream's revenues is, in my opinion, unacceptable - at least in the form it was presented in the op.
lodeet
Profile Joined September 2011
United States147 Posts
September 12 2012 21:44 GMT
#843
They want a published statement because it will gain more attention after it's released.
IamZieK
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada162 Posts
September 12 2012 21:45 GMT
#844
I just want to hear the answer to why he couldn't get a copy of the contract wheres the release!
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 21:49:18
September 12 2012 21:45 GMT
#845
Wow. The idea that they wouldn't want his lawyer to look over the contract, and that they wanted proof that he was actually a lawyer (LOL? wtf do they care) speaks very loudly about what kind of organisation they're running over there.

And why would they try to give the impression that he was paying €600 per month when they were actually taking a cut out of his streaming revenue? Shady as fuck..
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
September 12 2012 21:46 GMT
#846
Interestingly, I guess the argument he should of gotten his shit together before he went doesn't have as much credence as it originally came across. Namely, if he can't show his contract to his lawyer, he can't get a contract. If he had any copy of the contract in most any medium it wouldn't of been a question for him to show it to his lawyer. Therefore, Fuzer not getting his shit together isn't really true if MoW doesn't want people to get their shit together either.

Anyhow, yeah hurry up. Technically, there was an announcement of an statement that was actually an announcement. So an announcement of an announcement of announcement to be eventually released.
LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK
Ewic
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada121 Posts
September 12 2012 21:46 GMT
#847
Thank you for standing up for yourself and writing this Fuzer. I really hope you will be happy with the results once this is said and done. I can't believe the way MoW has treated you, it's disrespectful to not only you but to eSports as well.
GrandMaster Terran
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3433 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 21:48:37
September 12 2012 21:46 GMT
#848
On September 13 2012 06:43 carloselcoco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 06:39 saksy2 wrote:
On September 13 2012 06:37 carloselcoco wrote:
On September 13 2012 06:36 Fearce wrote:
Polish people aren't known for great English, so they probably wrote their statement in polish and forwarded it to some polish eSports thingy with awesome English skills to translate it before releasing,


That is why they are writing their updates about their statement perfectly in English...

If you would have read any of MoW's press releases before you jumped the flame train, you would know their English has been far from perfect.


It is still good enough English to give its own players contracts in English... Think before posting dude...


The contracts are obviously prepared beforehand, and by a third party. MoW never hired a professional translator and it showed in every single one of their updates. Given the delicate nature of the situation at hand, they probably *are* worried about wording everything perfectly, to avoid any further misunderstandings. The way they handled the announcement does make them look amateurish, though.
Styvorama
Profile Joined June 2011
United States7 Posts
September 12 2012 21:46 GMT
#849
On September 13 2012 06:36 Sailincieri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 06:32 ErAsc2 wrote:
On September 13 2012 06:23 Sailincieri wrote:
Stupid drama made by Fuzer...

Destiny has 100% right.
Its not some kind of playground :/ Fuzer should read contract before going there, and before he paid.

Boss said some stupid shit too, but MoW have the right not to give all (2000zł) money back.
You reserve a hotel room for a month and a week later you decide to leave. What do you think will happen?

kropekkk is a 'shady' figure, but in this case Law is on the side of MoW.
If MoW decide to give all of the money, it will be only their good will.

Can you not read? He didn't decide to leave, he was forced to leave.


"So I decided to leave the house." - Fuzer

They should let him stay? WTF? Think...


Did you actually read the post?

"They wanted my lawyer to send some verifications that he is actually a qualified lawyer before they would send it to him.
MoW never got the stuff they wanted so they never sent it to my lawyer(It felt to me that they didn't want anyone who actually knew more about the law stuff to see contracts like this )"

They refused to provide him with a copy of the contract for his lawyers to review(one should not be foreced to jump through hoops for a copy of a contract you are to sign) and then he had to leave as he could not sign the contract without understanding what it said.

The "They wanted my lawyer to send some verifications that he is actually a qualified lawyer before they would send it to him." part seems very shady alone.

It is apparent where your affiliations are.
Anton K
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden277 Posts
September 12 2012 21:47 GMT
#850
On September 13 2012 06:44 lodeet wrote:
They want a published statement because it will gain more attention after it's released.


You honestly think that any website that covers esports will not publish their statement if they just pasted it here?
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
September 12 2012 21:47 GMT
#851
So no MoW announcement yet?
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
Narw
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland884 Posts
September 12 2012 21:47 GMT
#852
Keep on nerding on drama, nerds.

User was temp banned for this post.
carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
September 12 2012 21:48 GMT
#853
On September 13 2012 06:46 True_Spike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 06:43 carloselcoco wrote:
On September 13 2012 06:39 saksy2 wrote:
On September 13 2012 06:37 carloselcoco wrote:
On September 13 2012 06:36 Fearce wrote:
Polish people aren't known for great English, so they probably wrote their statement in polish and forwarded it to some polish eSports thingy with awesome English skills to translate it before releasing,


That is why they are writing their updates about their statement perfectly in English...

If you would have read any of MoW's press releases before you jumped the flame train, you would know their English has been far from perfect.


It is still good enough English to give its own players contracts in English... Think before posting dude...


The contracts are obviously prepared beforehand, and by a third party. MoW never hired a professional translator and it showed in every single one of their updates.


Dude, their English is perfect in their statements...
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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
September 12 2012 21:48 GMT
#854
On September 13 2012 06:47 Anton K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 06:44 lodeet wrote:
They want a published statement because it will gain more attention after it's released.


You honestly think that any website that covers esports will not publish their statement if they just pasted it here?


And seriously, why would they want MORE attention?
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
-Switch-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada506 Posts
September 12 2012 21:48 GMT
#855
That's complete garbage saying he won't give you rent back because you didn't sign the contract...
Shunjal
Profile Joined August 2010
United States482 Posts
September 12 2012 21:49 GMT
#856
On September 13 2012 06:47 Narw wrote:
Keep on nerding on drama, nerds.


This is more than drama, it's people being taken advantage of by poor business practices and shady organizations.
Leth0
Profile Joined February 2012
856 Posts
September 12 2012 21:49 GMT
#857
On September 13 2012 06:48 carloselcoco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 06:46 True_Spike wrote:
On September 13 2012 06:43 carloselcoco wrote:
On September 13 2012 06:39 saksy2 wrote:
On September 13 2012 06:37 carloselcoco wrote:
On September 13 2012 06:36 Fearce wrote:
Polish people aren't known for great English, so they probably wrote their statement in polish and forwarded it to some polish eSports thingy with awesome English skills to translate it before releasing,


That is why they are writing their updates about their statement perfectly in English...

If you would have read any of MoW's press releases before you jumped the flame train, you would know their English has been far from perfect.


It is still good enough English to give its own players contracts in English... Think before posting dude...


The contracts are obviously prepared beforehand, and by a third party. MoW never hired a professional translator and it showed in every single one of their updates.


Dude, their English is perfect in their statements...


Legal language is quite different from normal english =P
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
September 12 2012 21:50 GMT
#858
On September 13 2012 06:48 ragz_gt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 06:47 Anton K wrote:
On September 13 2012 06:44 lodeet wrote:
They want a published statement because it will gain more attention after it's released.


You honestly think that any website that covers esports will not publish their statement if they just pasted it here?


And seriously, why would they want MORE attention?

go to site with announcement
agree to exclusivity
split profit

-> make money out of a shitty situation

#1 moneymakers.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 12 2012 21:50 GMT
#859
And the masses jump to conclusions after hearing only one side of the story. Guess you all don't remember similar situations in the past where after the other side's story came out, things looked a lot different. Or you just like drama for the sake of drama. I think it's the latter, and if you're repeatedly posting in this thread acting like you give a fuck about this issue, then sorry but you're a drama queen. I consider myself an avid fan of esports and SC2, and I couldn't give two fucks about Fuzer's experience in the MoW LOL. As if a random gaming house in Poland rented by poor progamers is actually financially sustainable anyway.

And to those who might call me hypocritical for posting in here - someone had to do it, so that the more reasonable and patient viewers of the site know that it's only the vocal minority getting their panties bunched.
Jochan
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Poland1730 Posts
September 12 2012 21:51 GMT
#860
I don't understand MoW move with an announcement. This topic is terribly terribly damaging to them, I can understand taking time to write a proper response, but having it in hand and handing it off for a "future" publication.... baffles me. Seriously wtf ?
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