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Stop derailing with living cost talk

On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote:
Press Release:

http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012

Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com.

- Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote:
http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims

- Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Mirrikh
Profile Joined January 2012
Romania105 Posts
September 12 2012 22:24 GMT
#941
On September 13 2012 07:02 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:00 Mirrikh wrote:
So, MoW gives him contract a bit late, Fuzer doesn't want to sign it and is kicked from the house.

MoW needs to pay taxes for their income, Poland is not Monaco, so they absolutely need a contract.

About the actual statement, it's quite possible that a eSports news site is actually paying for rights to publish it, knowing it will generate quite some traffic on their site.


That's stupid, that's not the reason they NEED a contract.

Why would someone want proof of extra income on paper that they then have to claim?



Without a contract it's illegal. It is also illegal not to pay taxes. When you do something illegal THEY come for you :D
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
September 12 2012 22:25 GMT
#942
Ok, thats kinda sounds like indentured servitude. And the requirements are a joke.. 10 years. I would be interesting to see a copy of this contract.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
September 12 2012 22:26 GMT
#943
On September 13 2012 07:24 Mirrikh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:02 Zorkmid wrote:
On September 13 2012 07:00 Mirrikh wrote:
So, MoW gives him contract a bit late, Fuzer doesn't want to sign it and is kicked from the house.

MoW needs to pay taxes for their income, Poland is not Monaco, so they absolutely need a contract.

About the actual statement, it's quite possible that a eSports news site is actually paying for rights to publish it, knowing it will generate quite some traffic on their site.


That's stupid, that's not the reason they NEED a contract.

Why would someone want proof of extra income on paper that they then have to claim?



Without a contract it's illegal. It is also illegal not to pay taxes. When you do something illegal THEY come for you :D


tax boys tax boys......
Anton K
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden277 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 22:28:21
September 12 2012 22:27 GMT
#944
On September 13 2012 07:24 Vapaach wrote:
Apparently the boss has left 1k USD unpaid to Gunrun and has a history of shadiness. The guy's toast if you ask me.


NO

THAT'S NOT TRUE. How hard is it to read a thread? It's a totally different guy who owes Gunrun 1k usd.
HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
September 12 2012 22:27 GMT
#945
On September 13 2012 07:26 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:24 Mirrikh wrote:
On September 13 2012 07:02 Zorkmid wrote:
On September 13 2012 07:00 Mirrikh wrote:
So, MoW gives him contract a bit late, Fuzer doesn't want to sign it and is kicked from the house.

MoW needs to pay taxes for their income, Poland is not Monaco, so they absolutely need a contract.

About the actual statement, it's quite possible that a eSports news site is actually paying for rights to publish it, knowing it will generate quite some traffic on their site.


That's stupid, that's not the reason they NEED a contract.

Why would someone want proof of extra income on paper that they then have to claim?



Without a contract it's illegal. It is also illegal not to pay taxes. When you do something illegal THEY come for you :D


tax boys tax boys......

......whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for you
oh, hai
Czarnodziej
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland624 Posts
September 12 2012 22:27 GMT
#946
On September 13 2012 07:24 Vapaach wrote:
Apparently the boss has left 1k USD unpaid to Gunrun and has a history of shadiness. The guy's toast if you ask me.

Gunrun was refering to guy named "Gus", not MoW manager.
Emmiej
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands62 Posts
September 12 2012 22:27 GMT
#947
On September 13 2012 07:24 Vapaach wrote:
Apparently the boss has left 1k USD unpaid to Gunrun and has a history of shadiness. The guy's toast if you ask me.


Isnt that about that thing in the Philippines and that person was Gus ?
'Never admit defeat and ask for a quick death! Die first, then admit defeat!'
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
September 12 2012 22:28 GMT
#948
Business basic:
Dont say you will release a statement within a certain timeframe and then dont release a statement in said timeframe.
It makes you look like a bunch of incompetent idiots.

"Within 24 hours" (considering it was late in the evening when the thread occured), "as soon as possible" would've been all viable timeframes, since statements take time. Everyone knows that. Saying 2 hours and then not sticking to it. Well... incompetence.
And when someone is incompetent in one field... well....
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
September 12 2012 22:28 GMT
#949
LO3 starts soon btw. Maybe this is the news source they are talking about? In that case Slasher is probably killing eSports again.
xlord 5:0
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
September 12 2012 22:28 GMT
#950
I need my statement, or else i'll get bored with this drama NOW!
Give thanks and praise!
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
September 12 2012 22:29 GMT
#951
On September 13 2012 07:19 stfouri wrote:

Not sending the contract forward... Mmm this I can understand, they just don't want it to go puplic with all the numbers on it. Everyone does this, we don't know how much players get paid for example. Then again, why not just let someone goddamn translate it to Fuzer. Like some random dude who has nothing to do with esports.

Oh and hope Fuzer gets atleast some of his money back.


The not sending contract forward is not standard at all. The contents of that contract isn`t made any more public when you have a lawyer review it with you. The moment that contract is given to the client they are at risk of the contents being made public. Fuzer could have just taken a hard copy of the contract and forwarded it to his lawyer.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
September 12 2012 22:29 GMT
#952
statement will be on LO3, I'm guessing
UmbraaeternuS
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile476 Posts
September 12 2012 22:30 GMT
#953
"2 hours"?
At least try to make it look like Blizzard by saying "soon".
It makes you look a little more competent. But it's been what, 3 hours now?
It's a thing of business basics: If you give a timeframe for a statement, RESPECT DEM TIMEFRAMES.
therealwinters - Skype / @DrUmbra - Twitter // "There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things that you love" - Sean "Day[9]" Plott <3
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
September 12 2012 22:30 GMT
#954
On September 13 2012 07:28 Zocat wrote:
Business basic:
Dont say you will release a statement within a certain timeframe and then dont release a statement in said timeframe.
It makes you look like a bunch of incompetent idiots.

"Within 24 hours" (considering it was late in the evening when the thread occured), "as soon as possible" would've been all viable timeframes, since statements take time. Everyone knows that. Saying 2 hours and then not sticking to it. Well... incompetence.
And when someone is incompetent in one field... well....


Agreed, its pretty unprofessional to say within 2 hrs and then 3.5 hrs later still nothing.

I still want to see a copy of this contract also.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9198 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 22:31:11
September 12 2012 22:30 GMT
#955
I wonder if it would be a good idea to close the thread until MoW releases their statement. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to tell mods what to do. My point is, most of posters in this thread already started talking bad about MoW, even without hearing them out. If someone checks this thread and sees plenty of negative posts about MoW, he'll most likely think that they're a bunch of thieves and scammers. I'm not trying to defend MoW because I don't know details.
What I'm trying to say is that the accused side of conflict is always in disadvantageous position in such situations, because many people form and spread their opinions before hearing out both sides.
I think the thread in which Spades was accused of hacking is the best example of the problem. OP was very suggestive, some people started raging and Spades was quickly deemed guilty. I don't even know if he did hack or not, but the amount of bad PR he received before he could defend himself had put him in unrecoverable position.
You're now breathing manually
Vapaach
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland994 Posts
September 12 2012 22:31 GMT
#956
On September 13 2012 07:27 Emmiej wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:24 Vapaach wrote:
Apparently the boss has left 1k USD unpaid to Gunrun and has a history of shadiness. The guy's toast if you ask me.


Isnt that about that thing in the Philippines and that person was Gus ?


Oh nevermind, my bad. But I still think he's toast though ^^
If you never try you never know. Sase - Mana - TLO - WhiteRa - Naniwa - Sheth - HuK
nullrd
Profile Joined November 2011
22 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 22:38:07
September 12 2012 22:31 GMT
#957
http://netwars.pl/temat/150698 this is the statement in polish. somebody can translate?

edit: sry not the statement just a polish summary
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
September 12 2012 22:32 GMT
#958
On September 13 2012 07:31 nullrd wrote:
http://netwars.pl/temat/150698 this is the statement in polish. somebody can translate?

Google translated:

at a glance.

Füzér gave a contract to your lawyer and what happened?
that by signing up for it, you have no right to live in any other pro haousie for 10 years wtf?
in addition he was there for 6 days and paid for a month, but he did not sign the contract has been kicked. The problem lies in the fact that he wanted to get their money back but the "Boss" opdowiedział whether or not a contract - no, no - so you never been so real and I do not have your money.

embarrassment. I am outraged by this situation, because the subject went to tl, and again a lot more than you lost've gained. Because a good name is worth more than any money .. before food for the guests and now it ..
business is business and there is no sentiment in them but the organization's reputation is worth more than 2k.
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 22:35:34
September 12 2012 22:33 GMT
#959
Certain people definitely make me facepalm, however, I'm glad to see not every post in this thread is so low quality.

releasing a statement late, does not make you look like an incompetent idiot, that's similar to Blizzard or nearly every other company changing the release date for a game. Sometimes PR takes time to make, that you did not forsee. It's like people want MoW to die or something.

Also the link that was posted saying it was the statement by nullrd, that IS NOT It is just a summary of the teamliquid thread.
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
Henku
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2 Posts
September 12 2012 22:33 GMT
#960
If his lawyer can't see the contract im sure it's full of goodies.
"So long as you continue to be so predictable I need not face you at all, you are your own worst enemy."
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