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Stop derailing with living cost talk

On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote:
Press Release:

http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012

Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com.

- Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote:
http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims

- Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
September 12 2012 21:12 GMT
#661
600 bucks for a room in Poland, sharing a house with a bunch of other dudes?

My appartement is 400 bucks, for 60 m², that's two rooms, a roomy bathroom and a large kitchen. And I don't have to live in Poland. The remaining 200 Euro would buy 110 pounds of cheese, or 300 liters of milk, or 150 kilos of carrots, or 300 kilos of potatoes, or 75 kilos of chicken, or 20 kilos of chocolate, so I could eat like a king every day of the month from that.

There is no fucking way the additional streaming revenues are remotely justified and the Chat-Log makes me not want to support any member of the MoW-house in any way, shape or form.
| (• ◡•)|╯ ╰(❍ᴥ❍ʋ)
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
September 12 2012 21:12 GMT
#662
On September 13 2012 06:11 delHospital wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 06:07 Pokebunny wrote:
On September 13 2012 06:06 Kernkraft wrote:
10€ is the price for a hotel room in poland with tv+wifi+shower..

Damn, seriously? That's like, even cheaper than Korea. And I thought Korea was cheap.

No, he's full of shit. It's more like 50€, at least in Warsaw.

In Poland, for 10€ you will get accomodated in a by-road motel with cockroaches stomping over your head.
HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
September 12 2012 21:12 GMT
#663
On September 13 2012 06:09 mememolly wrote:
should stream the announcement, revenue could go to Fuzer

That's a thread winner right there.
oh, hai
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
September 12 2012 21:12 GMT
#664
On September 13 2012 05:59 p1cKLes wrote:
10 years? That's just ridiculous. I wouldn't sign it on those grounds alone. Let alone any other suspicious language.

Since I'm seeing that a lot, I'd like to add that those 10 years are pretty common in more "unusual" businesses. It doesn't matter if it's the pickup industry, NLP, poker or general self-improvement. Those who are successful in those areas can afford to insist on such conditions, mostly because apparently not everyone has figured it out in the way they have.

Hell, people who attend my workshops on like mobbing or teamwork have to sign a short document where they state that they won't conduct workshops in that area for the next 5 years minimum. If I'd work on an actual training program for a gaming house it makes sense to aim for at least 10 years simply because the e-sports industry is horribly backwards about this type of stuff and not well-developed at all. Being ahead of everyone else directly translates into lots of profit in an area like this.

Obviously none of us (including the OP) can tell how much their concepts are "worth" but they have all the right in the world to protect them. What I'm wondering about personally is why the OP didn't sign any contracts before moving to Poland. And why did he pay them in cash without getting any receipt? I'm really curious about the statement from MoW, but I don't think it makes sense to shift all the blame on them and seeing the OP as a completely innocent sheep.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Inzult
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden13 Posts
September 12 2012 21:13 GMT
#665
On September 13 2012 06:12 sVnteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 06:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:
That's what happens when you join a team called "Minnistry of Win".

aaaaaaaaaaactually its not a team



Thank God for that :D
HHEHEHE
FloKi
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1490 Posts
September 12 2012 21:13 GMT
#666
Well,i waited 2 hours.I'll just catch up tomorrow i guess.
Where do whores go?
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
September 12 2012 21:13 GMT
#667
On September 13 2012 06:09 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote:
If they lie about small things like when they'll post a response, it's obvious they lie about big things like this.

brb gettin my pitchfork


no need, let me hand you one of mine

+ Show Spoiler +
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Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
HorstSchlemmer
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany114 Posts
September 12 2012 21:13 GMT
#668
[/QUOTE]


For those people who dont know anything about european prices etc...What are 600 €

Swizerland: u can´t even affort your food per month for 600€ not to mention any kind of living or dont even think of having good food. a small cup of coffee costs about 7sFr(5€/6,5dollar)

the Same with Sweden Norway/maybe GB;

Austria/Germany/FR/North of Italy:
you could affor the rent for a very small appartement if it is not in the center of a town or anywhere near a famous street or building or sight. but thats it no food or anything....
PL/Czech rep./Hungary/mb a few other eastern european countries:
600€ is enough. and they get that from every player + sponsors.


[/QUOTE]

That's basically only true for Switzerland and Citys like London, Paris or Munich.
You could get over 100m² in Berlin for 600€. And I rarely pay more than 200€ for food per month, even though I eat quite a lot.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
September 12 2012 21:13 GMT
#669
On September 13 2012 06:12 Fearce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 06:10 MrSnibbles wrote:
What do statements and Heart of the Swarm betas have in common?

+ Show Spoiler +
I'll let you guys figure this one out.

Only the pros get them?

wut? xD

they're coming "soon" ofc
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
GuitarBizarre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom332 Posts
September 12 2012 21:13 GMT
#670
FOREWARNING: I AM NOT ADVOCATING TAKING ANY ACTION UNTIL THE SITUATION IS CLEAR. BY CLEAR, I MEAN ABUNDANTLY SO. READ ALL OF THIS BEFORE YOU DO STUPID SHIT LIKE WRITING RAGEY EMAILS.

With that said, and hopefully, you sitting comfortably, calm, and willing to believe in both parties as honest, can I just point out that while normally, community outrage and sponsor writing is a despicable, cowardly way of getting back at people you don't like, I was surprised to see nobody suggest getting in touch with Razer, Twitch, or others, asking them to comment on their support or role within an organisation that is currently being dragged through the mud?

I don't have any idea if Fuzer is in the right or the wrong here, we should wait and see if more information comes out before we act rashly. Regardless of prior history, the past should have little or no bearing on how we think of this isolated situation.

But for all of you who are arguing the legal side of this matter, its somewhat pointless. MoW has financials and, presumably, a legal team. I doubt Fuzer is willing or able to pony up the costs to pursue that sort of action on his own, and if he was, I would presume that it would be difficult and not a path through which he could guarantee a satisfactory conclusion.

However as a community, if it becomes CLEARLY AND DEFINITELY APPARENT that our devotion to a game we love, and a community we want to build, has been taken advantage of, and has resulted in legal, but dubious/immoral tactics being used to take advantage of people, this would be one of the very few times in eSports history where writing to the sponsors would be justified. Razer branding is all over the MoW. Regardless of if the MoW would win a legal case, it isn't worth it to them to have their reputation damaged by this if its clear that while the legal grounds may favour MoW, the moral grounds could favour Fuzer.

What I'm saying is, wait and see what happens, and don't judge either side until we know all the details we're likely to find out overall. At that point, if those people who have read the entirety of the available literature, and who are reasonable, are of the opinion that MoW are in the MORAL wrong, if not the legal wrong (Since none of us are lawyers, stop fucking pretending), then a well worded, direct but not aggressive, letter or email to those parties with a vested interest in MoW's broader reputation, may be in order.

FINAL WARNING: I AM NOT ADVOCATING TAKING ANY ACTION UNTIL THE SITUATION IS CLEAR. BY CLEAR, I MEAN ABUNDANTLY SO. READ ALL OF THIS BEFORE YOU DO STUPID SHIT LIKE WRITING RAGEY EMAILS.
In retrospect, I don't know how you can play StarCraft without swearing. - Eifer
KirA_TheGreaT
Profile Joined April 2011
France204 Posts
September 12 2012 21:14 GMT
#671
If fuzer isn't lying, MoW will be in trouble
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
September 12 2012 21:14 GMT
#672
On September 13 2012 06:07 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 06:06 Kernkraft wrote:
10€ is the price for a hotel room in poland with tv+wifi+shower..

Damn, seriously? That's like, even cheaper than Korea. And I thought Korea was cheap.


Dont belive that..
10 euro is 40,80 złoty , youcan rent room for that but for sure not with shower Tv and not in good hotel.
20-25 euro is minimum for hotel room with tv etc in Poland.
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torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
September 12 2012 21:14 GMT
#673
On September 13 2012 06:10 .syd. wrote:
I bet the MoW boss is already on a flight to Brazil right now ... with all of the players' prepaid money

If he arrives with that much money and not a legal way to prove it he goes straigth to jail. I know it was a joke...
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
September 12 2012 21:14 GMT
#674
On September 13 2012 06:09 Godwrath wrote:
MoW statement will be released...

... Soon.

Soon™
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
September 12 2012 21:14 GMT
#675
On September 13 2012 06:12 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 06:09 Shai wrote:
The law doesn't say someone didn't steal your money if you can't prove it. The law just says that you can't convict on hearsay. Those are different statements.


Best post yet. Clearly an educated post.


Thank you!
That was what i was trying to say earlier.
So many ppl here have no idea what they are talking about...
Cj hero | Zest
Inzult
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden13 Posts
September 12 2012 21:15 GMT
#676
The fact that they don't release a statement during the time limit that they said just makes them look worse in my eyes :/
HHEHEHE
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
September 12 2012 21:16 GMT
#677
Would anyone else find it slightly ironic if the contract, which Fuzer didn't sign, provided terms for refunds for partial months ?
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
September 12 2012 21:16 GMT
#678
On September 13 2012 06:14 KirA_TheGreaT wrote:
If fuzer isn't lying, MoW will be in trouble

Yeah, the legal kind of trouble.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Kernkraft
Profile Joined April 2011
93 Posts
September 12 2012 21:16 GMT
#679
On September 13 2012 06:11 delHospital wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 06:07 Pokebunny wrote:
On September 13 2012 06:06 Kernkraft wrote:
10€ is the price for a hotel room in poland with tv+wifi+shower..

Damn, seriously? That's like, even cheaper than Korea. And I thought Korea was cheap.

No, he's full of shit. It's more like 50€, at least in Warsaw.

well i was staying near the german border...there didnt change a lot since the last 30 years
insanet
Profile Joined January 2010
Peru439 Posts
September 12 2012 21:16 GMT
#680
Even if you think Fuzer acted a bit naive, this Boss guy was way worse, how a manager can act this poorly?

Doesnt he have enough experience to know when you treat your customers poorly "shit is gonna hit the fan"?

he really though he can just held the money to himself and there will be no PR consequences? seriously how is old he?

he should just returned the money fast and avoid any problems.
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