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On September 13 2012 09:09 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 09:05 GuitarBizarre wrote:On September 12 2012 19:03 Holcan wrote:
the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself. Actually, I think if you, as a host, and therefore as someone with a guaranteed audience, set up a stream, I think you're guaranteed to get better very quickly, for two reasons - 1 - It'll force you to play a reasonable amount of time to make your streaming a worthwhile piece of content for viewers 2 - You'll be inundated with advice, requests to skype call and coach, etc. The reason streaming doesn't help, say, me down in silver league, is because nobody would watch, so what "Audience" can I reach out to for advice? She doesn't have that problem. Or it could degenerate into a softcore striptease. Very likely outcome.
So it's win win. She degrades herself entirely willingly by stripping, nerds get off.
Or she sits down and plays the game, and nerds still get off, because suddenly there's that little bit of extra legitimacy to Starcraft 2 as a respectable hobby, rather than some nerdy thing that will change your body's sweat glands to exude anti-woman pheromone at 90% concentration.
Obviously the second option is much better in the long run, and less degrading for everyone involved, and less tacky/peurile, but hell, we all know the market is there for the first option if that's what it turns out to be. Can we really say thats a bad thing overall?
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Lucky for E-Sports she has returned. If it wasent for her in a couple months we would have all been destroyed. <3 Lindsey
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Northern Ireland27332 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:16 GuitarBizarre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 09:09 Xiphos wrote:On September 13 2012 09:05 GuitarBizarre wrote:On September 12 2012 19:03 Holcan wrote:
the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself. Actually, I think if you, as a host, and therefore as someone with a guaranteed audience, set up a stream, I think you're guaranteed to get better very quickly, for two reasons - 1 - It'll force you to play a reasonable amount of time to make your streaming a worthwhile piece of content for viewers 2 - You'll be inundated with advice, requests to skype call and coach, etc. The reason streaming doesn't help, say, me down in silver league, is because nobody would watch, so what "Audience" can I reach out to for advice? She doesn't have that problem. Or it could degenerate into a softcore striptease. Very likely outcome. So it's win win. She degrades herself entirely willingly by stripping, nerds get off. Or she sits down and plays the game, and nerds still get off, because suddenly there's that little bit of extra legitimacy to Starcraft 2 as a respectable hobby, rather than some nerdy thing that will change your body's sweat glands to exude anti-woman pheromone at 90% concentration. Obviously the second option is much better in the long run, and less degrading for everyone involved, and less tacky/peurile, but hell, we all know the market is there for the first option if that's what it turns out to be. Can we really say thats a bad thing overall?
Yeah good post here I guess. The one thing I'd disagree with is that SC would have added legitimacy because of people like her playing. People fawning over an attractive lady isn't really going to change the gaming nerd virginal stereotypes.
Live and let live, good lucky with whatever she's planning. Couldn't be fucked posting anymore in these kind of threads, no point.
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well read through all the posts and luckily the horny white knights are not as numerous as i thought
good to see most guys still have sense (probably the ones who have actually held a girls hand before). how in the world does her playing sc2 give it legitimacy? as soon as she gets an opportunity she'll jump ship and sail for hollywood, like she did last time. it makes sc2 a gimmicky joke. it insults the guys who watch, and it insults the women who are involved in the community and actually care about video games.
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On September 13 2012 09:36 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 09:16 GuitarBizarre wrote:On September 13 2012 09:09 Xiphos wrote:On September 13 2012 09:05 GuitarBizarre wrote:On September 12 2012 19:03 Holcan wrote:
the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself. Actually, I think if you, as a host, and therefore as someone with a guaranteed audience, set up a stream, I think you're guaranteed to get better very quickly, for two reasons - 1 - It'll force you to play a reasonable amount of time to make your streaming a worthwhile piece of content for viewers 2 - You'll be inundated with advice, requests to skype call and coach, etc. The reason streaming doesn't help, say, me down in silver league, is because nobody would watch, so what "Audience" can I reach out to for advice? She doesn't have that problem. Or it could degenerate into a softcore striptease. Very likely outcome. So it's win win. She degrades herself entirely willingly by stripping, nerds get off. Or she sits down and plays the game, and nerds still get off, because suddenly there's that little bit of extra legitimacy to Starcraft 2 as a respectable hobby, rather than some nerdy thing that will change your body's sweat glands to exude anti-woman pheromone at 90% concentration. Obviously the second option is much better in the long run, and less degrading for everyone involved, and less tacky/peurile, but hell, we all know the market is there for the first option if that's what it turns out to be. Can we really say thats a bad thing overall? Yeah good post here I guess. The one thing I'd disagree with is that SC would have added legitimacy because of people like her playing. People fawning over an attractive lady isn't really going to change the gaming nerd virginal stereotypes. Live and let live, good lucky with whatever she's planning. Couldn't be fucked posting anymore in these kind of threads, no point.
It wouldn't legitimise nerds, it would legitimise more girls playing starcraft, because they could point at her and say "Its not for nerdy ugly girls, look at this fine woman nerdin' it up!"
Kinda like D&D nerds get to say "Fuck you man, you shit on D&D you shit on Vin Diesel" because Vin Diesel admitted he played, and that makes it seem to people that hey, maybe there's something I'm missing here?
Which of course means more nerds get to share their common interest with the ladies, and lets be honest guys, most nerds aren't bad people. They're just much better at talking about their interests than someone elses. Likelihood is, more girls play starcraft, more nerds get social skills.
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Canada11605 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:36 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 09:16 GuitarBizarre wrote:On September 13 2012 09:09 Xiphos wrote:On September 13 2012 09:05 GuitarBizarre wrote:On September 12 2012 19:03 Holcan wrote:
the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself. Actually, I think if you, as a host, and therefore as someone with a guaranteed audience, set up a stream, I think you're guaranteed to get better very quickly, for two reasons - 1 - It'll force you to play a reasonable amount of time to make your streaming a worthwhile piece of content for viewers 2 - You'll be inundated with advice, requests to skype call and coach, etc. The reason streaming doesn't help, say, me down in silver league, is because nobody would watch, so what "Audience" can I reach out to for advice? She doesn't have that problem. Or it could degenerate into a softcore striptease. Very likely outcome. So it's win win. She degrades herself entirely willingly by stripping, nerds get off. Or she sits down and plays the game, and nerds still get off, because suddenly there's that little bit of extra legitimacy to Starcraft 2 as a respectable hobby, rather than some nerdy thing that will change your body's sweat glands to exude anti-woman pheromone at 90% concentration. Obviously the second option is much better in the long run, and less degrading for everyone involved, and less tacky/peurile, but hell, we all know the market is there for the first option if that's what it turns out to be. Can we really say thats a bad thing overall? Yeah good post here I guess. The one thing I'd disagree with is that SC would have added legitimacy because of people like her playing. People fawning over an attractive lady isn't really going to change the gaming nerd virginal stereotypes. Live and let live, good lucky with whatever she's planning. Couldn't be fucked posting anymore in these kind of threads, no point.
And this to me is the correct way to go about things if you're not really down with it. If she's a flash in the pan, it will die on it's own accord due to disinterest. If she's the real deal, it's a gain for our community. Time tells all. Brother Mack is an excellent example. He got a bunch of views from making one Starcraft related video and got a few chuckles from TL. He then continued to make more and got more hits until he faded back into obscurity due to our collective disinterest. Time separates the dedicated from the opportunists, so imo just let it play out.
(Unless the opportunists are running scam tournaments. In which case kill it, kill it with fire.)
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On September 13 2012 09:47 fishjie wrote:
well read through all the posts and luckily the horny white knights are not as numerous as i thought
good to see most guys still have sense (probably the ones who have actually held a girls hand before). how in the world does her playing sc2 give it legitimacy? as soon as she gets an opportunity she'll jump ship and sail for hollywood, like she did last time. it makes sc2 a gimmicky joke. it insults the guys who watch, and it insults the women who are involved in the community and actually care about video games.
Like I said above, it either goes one way or the other. Neither is bad, and honestly, neither is insulting either, its just that the "Horny nerd-baiting" option services a crass, short term demand (But a demand that is there already), and the "Stay with SC2, learn to love the game" option services the greater good of the community.
But in the long run, neither option HARMS anybody. Its just one option helps us out a lot more.
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hum , i wish her good luck and hard work ,but when it comes to gamer girl, im sorry but Tara babcock is the shit ... lol listen to metal ,is a babe ,plays terran on ladder and streams 1v1 not team game ... and almost up to platinum ,or streaming her d3 lvl60 or her 85 wow charachter , thats a gamer girl 
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On September 13 2012 10:04 Diminisherqc wrote:hum , i wish her good luck and hard work ,but when it comes to gamer girl, im sorry but Tara babcock is the shit ... lol listen to metal ,is a babe ,plays terran on ladder and streams 1v1 not team game ... and almost up to platinum ,or streaming her d3 lvl60 or her 85 wow charachter , thats a gamer girl
I'd love to hear anyone on TL get excited about following a male Plat Terran.
Don't congratulate yourself too much guy.
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On September 13 2012 10:06 GuitarBizarre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 10:04 Diminisherqc wrote:hum , i wish her good luck and hard work ,but when it comes to gamer girl, im sorry but Tara babcock is the shit ... lol listen to metal ,is a babe ,plays terran on ladder and streams 1v1 not team game ... and almost up to platinum ,or streaming her d3 lvl60 or her 85 wow charachter , thats a gamer girl I'd love to hear anyone on TL get excited about following a male Plat Terran. Don't congratulate yourself too much guy.
hum i congratulated her .. not me ..my friend is excited about ym plat play cause he's bronze and he's on tl .. 1-0 for me !
bwahahah
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aww this is so cute, definitely hope to see her back
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On September 13 2012 10:08 Diminisherqc wrote:hum i congratulated her .. not me ..my friend is excited about ym plat play cause he's bronze and he's on tl .. 1-0 for me ! bwahahah
What I'm saying is you sound kinda shallow. Or like a horny teen. Which is to say, shallow.
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On September 13 2012 05:23 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 00:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i hate to be brutally negative but...
the reason various entertainers who take a shot at mainstream acceptance and then fail ( Jared Cale , Lindsey Sporrer )
is that they are just using the SC2 community as a stepping stone in their career.
The textbook example of a broadcaster pulling this off to perfection is "Gentleman" Jeff Marek when he went from "Pro Wrestling Radio Host" to "Hockey Night In Canada Anchorman".
For Lindsey she merely sees "the SC2 Community" as a "means to a greater end".
and that "end" does not include being a Hostess at the BNet World Championships in China. Jared Cale and Sporrer aren't equivalent at all, the former like him or not has shown a history of following the game and being passionate for E-sports. Can't remember some examples, but I think he helped out some people in the scene financially as well, way back. Yeah let's legitimise E-sports by using token pretty faces for our coverage! There are plenty of girls in the scene who can do that without it being a transparent springboard to other things. Soe is a good example of a girl who is there on merit and knowledge, also happens to be attractive which is a bonus in a hosting capacity, but she's got a history of involvement in the scene. Veralynn was one of the last female players to get any kind of sponsorship, despite being grandmaster on both EU and NA. People like me, who don't venerate women based on their lucks but on their passion or dedication want to see more Scarletts, more Veralynns. That's all
i must've missed the part where WoW is a competitive RTS eSport
i do not like or dislike Cale, but his motive is profit not "the good of the community".
the stuff he "did for eSports" revolves around selling merchandise.
if Cale had succeeded as Marek has....
he'd be as involved with eSports about as much as Jeff Marek covers the WWE these days (which is not at all)...
but he didnt.. he attempted main stream success as a comic/actor and basically failed....
so he is back in the small niche marketplace of RTS esports.
it is clear he genuinely loves RTS games though.
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On September 13 2012 10:10 GuitarBizarre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 10:08 Diminisherqc wrote:hum i congratulated her .. not me ..my friend is excited about ym plat play cause he's bronze and he's on tl .. 1-0 for me ! bwahahah What I'm saying is you sound kinda shallow. Or like a horny teen. Which is to say, shallow.
you can presume all you want
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On September 13 2012 09:16 GuitarBizarre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 09:09 Xiphos wrote:On September 13 2012 09:05 GuitarBizarre wrote:On September 12 2012 19:03 Holcan wrote:
the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself. Actually, I think if you, as a host, and therefore as someone with a guaranteed audience, set up a stream, I think you're guaranteed to get better very quickly, for two reasons - 1 - It'll force you to play a reasonable amount of time to make your streaming a worthwhile piece of content for viewers 2 - You'll be inundated with advice, requests to skype call and coach, etc. The reason streaming doesn't help, say, me down in silver league, is because nobody would watch, so what "Audience" can I reach out to for advice? She doesn't have that problem. Or it could degenerate into a softcore striptease. Very likely outcome. So it's win win. She degrades herself entirely willingly by stripping, nerds get off. Or she sits down and plays the game, and nerds still get off, because suddenly there's that little bit of extra legitimacy to Starcraft 2 as a respectable hobby, rather than some nerdy thing that will change your body's sweat glands to exude anti-woman pheromone at 90% concentration. Obviously the second option is much better in the long run, and less degrading for everyone involved, and less tacky/peurile, but hell, we all know the market is there for the first option if that's what it turns out to be. Can we really say thats a bad thing overall?
It's bad in principle, yes, because it reinforces the stereotype of this community as being fundamentally asocial and sexist to the point that they'd gawk at the first female to give them the time of day.
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On September 13 2012 09:59 GuitarBizarre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 09:47 fishjie wrote:
well read through all the posts and luckily the horny white knights are not as numerous as i thought
good to see most guys still have sense (probably the ones who have actually held a girls hand before). how in the world does her playing sc2 give it legitimacy? as soon as she gets an opportunity she'll jump ship and sail for hollywood, like she did last time. it makes sc2 a gimmicky joke. it insults the guys who watch, and it insults the women who are involved in the community and actually care about video games.
Like I said above, it either goes one way or the other. Neither is bad, and honestly, neither is insulting either, its just that the "Horny nerd-baiting" option services a crass, short term demand (But a demand that is there already), and the "Stay with SC2, learn to love the game" option services the greater good of the community. But in the long run, neither option HARMS anybody. Its just one option helps us out a lot more.
Its insulting to nerds. Let's look at the "hot" girls that are the media darlings: paris hilton and kim kardashian. they have absolutely zero redeeming qualities or features. the only reason they're famous is because they leaked a sex tape. would most guys bang them? absolutely. but would most nerds choose a long term relationship with paris over a geeky girl whose just merely cute? hell no, because paris has a vapid personality. but instead, the media insists that nerds would rather prefer shallow human beings as opposed to people with actual laudable qualities. Blagh.
I dont know much about Lindsey but its clear she knows nothing about gaming and never cared the first time around, so most likely is only doing this because her dreams of making it big in hollywood did not pan out, so she's gotta get back in the small pond of esports.
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Northern Ireland27332 Posts
On September 13 2012 10:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 05:23 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 13 2012 00:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i hate to be brutally negative but...
the reason various entertainers who take a shot at mainstream acceptance and then fail ( Jared Cale , Lindsey Sporrer )
is that they are just using the SC2 community as a stepping stone in their career.
The textbook example of a broadcaster pulling this off to perfection is "Gentleman" Jeff Marek when he went from "Pro Wrestling Radio Host" to "Hockey Night In Canada Anchorman".
For Lindsey she merely sees "the SC2 Community" as a "means to a greater end".
and that "end" does not include being a Hostess at the BNet World Championships in China. Jared Cale and Sporrer aren't equivalent at all, the former like him or not has shown a history of following the game and being passionate for E-sports. Can't remember some examples, but I think he helped out some people in the scene financially as well, way back. Yeah let's legitimise E-sports by using token pretty faces for our coverage! There are plenty of girls in the scene who can do that without it being a transparent springboard to other things. Soe is a good example of a girl who is there on merit and knowledge, also happens to be attractive which is a bonus in a hosting capacity, but she's got a history of involvement in the scene. Veralynn was one of the last female players to get any kind of sponsorship, despite being grandmaster on both EU and NA. People like me, who don't venerate women based on their lucks but on their passion or dedication want to see more Scarletts, more Veralynns. That's all i do not like or dislike Cale, but his motive is profit not "the good of the community". the stuff he "did for eSports" revolves around selling merchandise. if Cale had succeeded as Marek has.... he'd be as involved with eSports about as much as Jeff Marek covers the WWE these days (which is not at all)... but he didnt.. he attempted main stream success as a comic/actor and basically failed.... so he is back in the small niche marketplace of RTS esports. it is clear he genuinely loves RTS games though.
Oh yeah of course the guy has some ulterior motives I wasn't really disputing that. To be fair his attempted move tothe mainstream was a pretty affectionate, albeit ridiculously exaggerated show about gaming. People have a certain affection for Pure Pwnage and his clear love for the subject matter so cut him a bit of slack. Even when Day9 is at his most 'sell out', people believe that he does care for the subject matter.
I have genuinely no idea who Jeff Marek is, but I'm sure your analogy is apt.
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On September 13 2012 10:21 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 10:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On September 13 2012 05:23 Wombat_NI wrote:On September 13 2012 00:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i hate to be brutally negative but...
the reason various entertainers who take a shot at mainstream acceptance and then fail ( Jared Cale , Lindsey Sporrer )
is that they are just using the SC2 community as a stepping stone in their career.
The textbook example of a broadcaster pulling this off to perfection is "Gentleman" Jeff Marek when he went from "Pro Wrestling Radio Host" to "Hockey Night In Canada Anchorman".
For Lindsey she merely sees "the SC2 Community" as a "means to a greater end".
and that "end" does not include being a Hostess at the BNet World Championships in China. Jared Cale and Sporrer aren't equivalent at all, the former like him or not has shown a history of following the game and being passionate for E-sports. Can't remember some examples, but I think he helped out some people in the scene financially as well, way back. Yeah let's legitimise E-sports by using token pretty faces for our coverage! There are plenty of girls in the scene who can do that without it being a transparent springboard to other things. Soe is a good example of a girl who is there on merit and knowledge, also happens to be attractive which is a bonus in a hosting capacity, but she's got a history of involvement in the scene. Veralynn was one of the last female players to get any kind of sponsorship, despite being grandmaster on both EU and NA. People like me, who don't venerate women based on their lucks but on their passion or dedication want to see more Scarletts, more Veralynns. That's all i do not like or dislike Cale, but his motive is profit not "the good of the community". the stuff he "did for eSports" revolves around selling merchandise. if Cale had succeeded as Marek has.... he'd be as involved with eSports about as much as Jeff Marek covers the WWE these days (which is not at all)... but he didnt.. he attempted main stream success as a comic/actor and basically failed.... so he is back in the small niche marketplace of RTS esports. it is clear he genuinely loves RTS games though. Oh yeah of course the guy has some ulterior motives I wasn't really disputing that. To be fair his attempted move tothe mainstream was a pretty affectionate, albeit ridiculously exaggerated show about gaming. People have a certain affection for Pure Pwnage and his clear love for the subject matter so cut him a bit of slack. Even when Day9 is at his most 'sell out', people believe that he does care for the subject matter. I have genuinely no idea who Jeff Marek is, but I'm sure your analogy is apt.
Cale went on the Toronto comedy club circuit and, to put it in academic terms, "was unsuccessful".
that's mainly what i was referring to about him " going mainstream ".
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On September 13 2012 09:15 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 06:22 Tolazytobecreative wrote:
Oh great a female player and whole community goes apeshit (once aigan)
Why do you care about her? There are so many good players but the community focuses their attention to gamer that have tits instead of gamers that actually play the fucking game well.
She basically comes to the sc community asks everyone for their attention and demands help for the fact that she has tits. And the only thing that is worse than that is that you actually support her doing so Why do you care that others care? It's really seems the case that the people most distraught about the attention given to a an 'unworthy' person are themselves guilty of further drawing attention to said 'unworthy' person. This is more a general observation then directed specifically at Toolazy. It just happened to be a poignant example.
How else can you discuss the matter?
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Good for her and all.. but honestly I dont see this as being very newsworthy. =/
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