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Wow a bunch of ugly nerds complaining.
Nothing to do here.
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On September 30 2012 00:34 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 23:37 urashimakt wrote:On September 29 2012 23:12 mememolly wrote:On September 29 2012 23:01 urashimakt wrote:On September 29 2012 22:50 Phant. wrote:On September 13 2012 07:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career. Basically what was said above, exploiting the starcraft community for her fame is not something I or any sensible gamer should support. Doing things like setting up a stream when she has never/barely played and asking Day[9] (on twitter so everyone can see) to teach her are clear signs that she has little interest in truly learning the game but is rather after money, attention & fame to further her modeling/acting "career". I will not support a attention whore who's actions show that she cares about her fame/popularity instead of actually learning this great game. I find this stance a little hypocritical when there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game. I'm not talking about people like JP (masters league player) or Day[9] (former pro), either. So do we single her out as an "attention whore" because she's a woman or because she's pretty? If you still feel she's worth ignoring, the simple alternative to calling attention to her and applying the label "attention whore" is to just simply ignore her. like who? every personality in the game has paid their dues at some point (TB and Husky etc have all created content off their own backs and gone through lean times to get to where they are), no male person has got by just on looks, quit making shit up as for ignoring her, sometimes bullshit needs calling out I'm uncertain how paying one's dues changes the fact that there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game, as you've highlighted. You point out TB, so I'll talk about TB. I think he's great. I've cooperated with him on one of his many gamer-centric charity events. He's still first and foremost a gaming personality in general. He's not going to go pro anytime soon. Yet we don't (well, most of us don't) unfairly question TB's motives for involving himself in SC2 when he's no MKP. When he first picked SC2 up to add to his game coverage rotation (doesn't include Minecraft, never Minecraft) he wasn't called an attention whore. If we did go around treating all newcomers like it seems some would like to treat Sporrer, we probably would not have Husky or TB. I would count those as losses. Husky and TB both put in work to be where they are, they created content and people liked it, lindsey sporrer hasn't put in any work, she did some interviews for nasl and nothing more, you can't compare TB and Husky to Sporrer that's just dumb.
That's cool and all, but the point is TB and Husky didn't put in the work until they put in the work. How about we see if she puts in the work.
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On September 30 2012 01:49 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 00:34 mememolly wrote:On September 29 2012 23:37 urashimakt wrote:On September 29 2012 23:12 mememolly wrote:On September 29 2012 23:01 urashimakt wrote:On September 29 2012 22:50 Phant. wrote:On September 13 2012 07:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career. Basically what was said above, exploiting the starcraft community for her fame is not something I or any sensible gamer should support. Doing things like setting up a stream when she has never/barely played and asking Day[9] (on twitter so everyone can see) to teach her are clear signs that she has little interest in truly learning the game but is rather after money, attention & fame to further her modeling/acting "career". I will not support a attention whore who's actions show that she cares about her fame/popularity instead of actually learning this great game. I find this stance a little hypocritical when there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game. I'm not talking about people like JP (masters league player) or Day[9] (former pro), either. So do we single her out as an "attention whore" because she's a woman or because she's pretty? If you still feel she's worth ignoring, the simple alternative to calling attention to her and applying the label "attention whore" is to just simply ignore her. like who? every personality in the game has paid their dues at some point (TB and Husky etc have all created content off their own backs and gone through lean times to get to where they are), no male person has got by just on looks, quit making shit up as for ignoring her, sometimes bullshit needs calling out I'm uncertain how paying one's dues changes the fact that there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game, as you've highlighted. You point out TB, so I'll talk about TB. I think he's great. I've cooperated with him on one of his many gamer-centric charity events. He's still first and foremost a gaming personality in general. He's not going to go pro anytime soon. Yet we don't (well, most of us don't) unfairly question TB's motives for involving himself in SC2 when he's no MKP. When he first picked SC2 up to add to his game coverage rotation (doesn't include Minecraft, never Minecraft) he wasn't called an attention whore. If we did go around treating all newcomers like it seems some would like to treat Sporrer, we probably would not have Husky or TB. I would count those as losses. Husky and TB both put in work to be where they are, they created content and people liked it, lindsey sporrer hasn't put in any work, she did some interviews for nasl and nothing more, you can't compare TB and Husky to Sporrer that's just dumb. That's cool and all, but the point is TB and Husky didn't put in the work until they put in the work. How about we see if she puts in the work.
Precisely. I don't see why people are getting all pissy when there's nothing to be pissy about yet. Yes, she might be an attention whore. Then again, she might not. We won't know, so why not pipe down and see what happens.
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On September 30 2012 08:02 NicolBolas wrote:
Precisely. I don't see why people are getting all pissy when there's nothing to be pissy about yet. Yes, she might be an attention whore. Then again, she might not. We won't know, so why not pipe down and see what happens.
I think what people are getting at is she is trying to use people to get recognized in this computer game. If she would have independently started playing and learning, that is one thing. Instead, she goes to a well known caster and asks for help VIA Twitter. Could she have dropped him a message through a private setting such as e-mail, etc? Absolutely. Why not? Because that wont get her fame. I think it's obvious from her actions she's an attention whore.
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I'm all for it! She has the go-to attitude that could make it work for the community in ways yet unknown
I see more good than bad coming from this^^
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I'd watch her! Does Day9 have a reply yet?
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On September 29 2012 23:37 urashimakt wrote:
You point out TB, so I'll talk about TB. I think he's great. I've cooperated with him on one of his many gamer-centric charity events. He's still first and foremost a gaming personality in general. He's not going to go pro anytime soon. Yet we don't (well, most of us don't) unfairly question TB's motives for involving himself in SC2 when he's no MKP. When he first picked SC2 up to add to his game coverage rotation (doesn't include Minecraft, never Minecraft) he wasn't called an attention whore.
If we did go around treating all newcomers like it seems some would like to treat Sporrer, we probably would not have Husky or TB. I would count those as losses.
Are you kidding me? I've been put through the ringer for the last couple of years, been publicly accused of doing SC2 for "attention" and "the money" by high profile personalities and I'm not the only one. The SC2 community is TOXIC to new personalities, Lindsey simply has the misfortune of also being female which acts as a magnification lens on everything she does.
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On September 30 2012 00:58 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 00:52 Dfgj wrote:On September 29 2012 23:01 urashimakt wrote:On September 29 2012 22:50 Phant. wrote:On September 13 2012 07:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career. Basically what was said above, exploiting the starcraft community for her fame is not something I or any sensible gamer should support. Doing things like setting up a stream when she has never/barely played and asking Day[9] (on twitter so everyone can see) to teach her are clear signs that she has little interest in truly learning the game but is rather after money, attention & fame to further her modeling/acting "career". I will not support a attention whore who's actions show that she cares about her fame/popularity instead of actually learning this great game. I find this stance a little hypocritical when there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game. I'm not talking about people like JP (masters league player) or Day[9] (former pro), either. So do we single her out as an "attention whore" because she's a woman or because she's pretty? If you still feel she's worth ignoring, the simple alternative to calling attention to her and applying the label "attention whore" is to just simply ignore her. TB, Incontrol, Destiny, even Day9 get flak for having immense 'personalities' in the gaming scene without tangible results of the same level. It has nothing to do with the fact she's a girl. If it was a top player like Scarlett nobody would mind. Are you really comparing any of these people to a person who hosted one event of sc2, didn't know a crap about the game, and now "posts about her interest to start playing the game", after she failed on her actress career ? Yeh, she is of course a legit gamer.
I don't think you understood my point.
Anyone in the scene with popularity that exceeds achievements tends to get some hate - the wider this gulf, the more pronounced it is. It has nothing to do with gender - I gave examples of guys who get the same treatment to some degree. Obviously, someone with no credentials and history of the game trying to jump into the spotlight is going to take some flak, as this thread shows.
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On October 01 2012 11:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 23:37 urashimakt wrote:
You point out TB, so I'll talk about TB. I think he's great. I've cooperated with him on one of his many gamer-centric charity events. He's still first and foremost a gaming personality in general. He's not going to go pro anytime soon. Yet we don't (well, most of us don't) unfairly question TB's motives for involving himself in SC2 when he's no MKP. When he first picked SC2 up to add to his game coverage rotation (doesn't include Minecraft, never Minecraft) he wasn't called an attention whore.
If we did go around treating all newcomers like it seems some would like to treat Sporrer, we probably would not have Husky or TB. I would count those as losses. Are you kidding me? I've been put through the ringer for the last couple of years, been publicly accused of doing SC2 for "attention" and "the money" by high profile personalities and I'm not the only one. The SC2 community is TOXIC to new personalities, Lindsey simply has the misfortune of also being female which acts as a magnification lens on everything she does.
I've always hated the hate tossed around regarding you, though I feel it's not such a problem anymore... that could ofc be due to my own ignorance. The hate that was tossed out regarding TB never felt justified to me. Is he a progamer at SC2? No definitely not, but he's a really interesting personality who genuinely cares about gaming and bringing related information to the masses.... in a top hat with an amazing broadcasting voice  (PS: Please use a monocle, it would pwn)
I know next to nothing about Lindsey, other than the infamous ZvG comment, so I'll reserve my judgement. Personally I'd like to hear how she feels about gaming, and what she'd like out of it. A bit of transparency may help silence some critics (at least the sensible ones). The moves she's made feel awkward to me and very forced. I could be completely wrong and I hope I am. I hope she has a love of gaming, or at least has an angle where she is going to explore the world of gaming. Either way and I'll wish her luck and likely check out some of her stuff if it's to my liking. I just really hope she's not just looking for a job.... as there are so many other areas in life that one can go for a paycheck. (It's for this exact reason that I don't think it's just about getting famous/paid for her, but we'll see ofc).
At any rate, looking forward to some content to see which direction it takes.
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