I just did a TL search and didn't find any threads for this news, so here it is. According to her official facebook and twitter, Lindsey Sporrer (of NASL S1 Grand Finals) is coming back to SC2:
From her facebook:
Excellent* news: I can finally learn @StarCraft! @BlizzardCS #SC2 Please help - I’d love advice on anything - equipment I’d need, how to stream (if anyone’d want to watch me learn?), etc. *I think it’s excellent at least – been waiting a long time. I miss it all. I had so much fun getting to know the community a tiny bit. And I want more. It’s been tough not being able to respond to people about why I’m not playing. 1 yr exclusivity just ended. But as you all know, I’ll need so much of help I thought if I stream my first ever attempt to play, it’d help other beginners learn too? idk…I’m just excited & happy xo
Asking Day[9] for help:
@day9tv Hi. so I know this is a lot to ask but umm.. is there any chance you might be willing to give me a lesson sometime? If you don’t want to, I totally understand and I can definitely just watch your videos.. idk I just thought maybe showing a complete beginner learning might make it easier for other newcomers to learn to play? Or maybe you’ve already done something like this before & don’t want to again idk…ok sorry I’m rambling And ps yes I’m evil for completely putting you on the spot by tweeting this hehe sorry
Personally, I think that I love her just as much now as I did in NASL S1, and I can't wait for the great hilarity that will ensue. I mean that as a compliment, she seems to have taken her status as something of a comedian in the sc2 community to heart with her "Excellent* news" post.
ez pz for day9. just do a show with her !! lol !!! make sure she does her homework before starting to play. she has to watch a few basic videos etc. then she can get her first lesson.
This is a most awesomely excellent source of cringe material for me.
Growing pains. I'll just keep reminding myself this kind of thing is good for the scene.
I have a hard time wrapping my head around it. The publicity thing. Even after I accept the part about it being a very good thing for this kind of people to be getting involved in eSports my thought process goes through "Wouldn't it be easier to just learn it like anyone else rather than making a show of getting Day9 to help you like some kind of...oh, right, that is how business works. That is the point. Ok, shutting up, I'll just be watching from over there where the hostess is less in the way and I can hear Artosis better."
On September 12 2012 17:41 smileface wrote: I really don't know why people keep inserting time fillers like "umm", "you know" and "like..." in WRITTEN TEXT.
but would be fun to see, if she actually wants to learn or quits after a week.
I guess, you know, it feels more... um... natural and sets a certain mood and tone to the written text?
On September 12 2012 17:41 smileface wrote: I really don't know why people keep inserting time fillers like "umm", "you know" and "like..." in WRITTEN TEXT.
but would be fun to see, if she actually wants to learn or quits after a week.
I guess, you know, it feels more... um... natural and sets a certain mood and tone to the written text?
Makes you seem manipulative or dumb...
Anyway if she couldn't keep her interest in watching sc2 and hosting it, I can't imagine she'll keep interested in playing. I wish her the best of luck, although the putting day9 on the spot thing is kind of a low blow and I hope he declines.
sporer: okay, my rate is X amount per hour, with room and food.
nasl: we can do that, but since we are having you back can you act like you are trying to know the game better?
sporer: do I have to actually play that nerdy game?
nasl: nah just tweet at day[9] so it seems like you care.
sporer: deal!
the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself.
On September 12 2012 19:03 Holcan wrote: I can see the conversation now
sporer: okay, my rate is X amount per hour, with room and food.
nasl: we can do that, but since we are having you back can you act like you are trying to know the game better?
sporer: do I have to actually play that nerdy game?
nasl: nah just tweet at day[9] so it seems like you care.
sporer: deal!
the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself.
seems to me more like a publicity stunt than love for starcraft 2 and its community, but w\e, ppl can do what they want as long as it doesnt hurt esports
On September 12 2012 19:03 Holcan wrote: I can see the conversation now
sporer: okay, my rate is X amount per hour, with room and food.
nasl: we can do that, but since we are having you back can you act like you are trying to know the game better?
sporer: do I have to actually play that nerdy game?
nasl: nah just tweet at day[9] so it seems like you care.
sporer: deal!
the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself.
Meh. What a sad way of looking at it.
I personally welcome her with open arms! Lets have some sexual stimuli while watching starcraft...... we already have the beer from barcraft. Now we can throw a real party :D
A vast majority of people would just start playing SC2 if they wanted to.. Too much publicity involved in this for me to believe her long-term interest to be genuine.
Maybe it's good for the scene no matter what. Atleast a ton of people claim so!
On September 12 2012 19:37 valaki wrote: People still think she cares about the game or it's just a running joke? I don't quite get it to be honest.
Imho she just wants the attention. I mean, there is no reason in asking day9 for personal lessons as a complete newbie besides the PR. Watching some of his dalies about beginner stuff and just playing the game will probably help more than waiting for him to tell her that there are 2 types of resources and workers harvest them.
I wouldn't be too surprised if day9 agrees though. The viewer count will probably be pretty high.
i havent been following her but doesnt this seems like someone who ditch sc2 after finding success and is now back, probably cause that other path didnt work out so well?
Funny to see all the support she gets (from the peeps that are actually serious) and how they "loved" her at NASL s1 finals. If it was some random nerd that jumped in instead of her in that position and did such a horrible job you would all call for a fucking lynch mob on the guy.
At least give your attention to the chicks in the scene that actually knows what they are doing and are here because of a genuine interest from the very beginning and not just for the attention and dem $$$. What a joke.
On September 12 2012 19:37 valaki wrote: People still think she cares about the game or it's just a running joke? I don't quite get it to be honest.
Imho she just wants the attention. I mean, there is no reason in asking day9 for personal lessons as a complete newbie besides the PR. Watching some of his dalies about beginner stuff and just playing the game will probably help more than waiting for him to tell her that there are 2 types of resources and workers harvest them.
I wouldn't be too surprised if day9 agrees though. The viewer count will probably be pretty high.
Vaguely remember Day9 saying he didn't want to do it on a State of the Game way back when. Might have been about someone else though, can anyone confirm?
edit: Alright here it is, glad my memory hasn't been completely shot to shit
On September 12 2012 17:34 Xiahou wrote: This is going to kill ESPORTS.
How? Have you somehow missed all the other noobs that stream every day? Did you forget that Day[9] actually has newbie tuesday almost every week? So tired of these elitist posts that A) Think that everything is going to kill this retarded term for video game that people have made up, and B) Think that what they do everyday somehow promotes that same retarded term for video games.
GL to her, she has more enthusiasm than most of the streamers that I see on here every day.
On September 12 2012 17:34 Xiahou wrote: This is going to kill ESPORTS.
How? Have you somehow missed all the other noobs that stream every day? Did you forget that Day[9] actually has newbie tuesday almost every week? So tired of these elitist posts that A) Think that everything is going to kill this retarded term for video game that people have made up, and B) Think that what they do everyday somehow promotes that same retarded term for video games.
GL to her, she has more enthusiasm than most of the streamers that I see on here every day.
WOOOOOOSHHHHHH That is the sound of a jumbo jet flying over your head.
Also, 1 year exlusivity just ended.... which... prevented her some playing sc2? I guess it prevented her from STREAMING, at which point she didn't care about playing sc2. What an ego trip.
Even if she gets into SC2 she probably won`t get past Gold. Hot chicks always think they can get anything they want, just because they are hot. Look at Scarlett... only reason (s)he won NASL is because (s)he had to work for everything. I wouldn`t mind see Lindsey in caster/interview/whatever role, but i don`t see her doing any good. Btw if she had `Scarlett look` there would never be that much hype about her learning SC2.
Boobs.
/edit About Lindsey streaming her games... stream + boobs = more viewers = more money
On September 12 2012 20:50 kennyf wrote: Even if she gets into SC2 she probably won`t get past Gold. Hot chicks always think they can get anything they want, just because they are hot. Look at Scarlett... only reason (s)he won NASL is because (s)he had to work for everything. I wouldn`t mind see Lindsey in caster/interview/whatever role, but i don`t see her doing any good. Btw if she had `Scarlett look` there would never be that much hype about her learning SC2.
Boobs.
/edit About Lindsey streaming her games... stream + boobs = more viewers = more money
On September 12 2012 20:50 kennyf wrote: Even if she gets into SC2 she probably won`t get past Gold. Hot chicks always think they can get anything they want, just because they are hot. Look at Scarlett... only reason (s)he won NASL is because (s)he had to work for everything. I wouldn`t mind see Lindsey in caster/interview/whatever role, but i don`t see her doing any good. Btw if she had `Scarlett look` there would never be that much hype about her learning SC2.
Boobs.
/edit About Lindsey streaming her games... stream + boobs = more viewers = more money
Boobs.
Wow. I didn't think it was possible for someone to be this nasty over the internet but blow me down you always prove me wrong, TeamLiquid.
On September 12 2012 20:50 kennyf wrote: Even if she gets into SC2 she probably won`t get past Gold. Hot chicks always think they can get anything they want, just because they are hot. Look at Scarlett... only reason (s)he won NASL is because (s)he had to work for everything. I wouldn`t mind see Lindsey in caster/interview/whatever role, but i don`t see her doing any good. Btw if she had `Scarlett look` there would never be that much hype about her learning SC2.
Boobs.
/edit About Lindsey streaming her games... stream + boobs = more viewers = more money
Boobs.
yeah look at flash he got this good without playing at all
On September 12 2012 20:50 kennyf wrote: Even if she gets into SC2 she probably won`t get past Gold. Hot chicks always think they can get anything they want, just because they are hot. Look at Scarlett... only reason (s)he won NASL is because (s)he had to work for everything. I wouldn`t mind see Lindsey in caster/interview/whatever role, but i don`t see her doing any good. Btw if she had `Scarlett look` there would never be that much hype about her learning SC2.
Boobs.
/edit About Lindsey streaming her games... stream + boobs = more viewers = more money
I'm excited to see the scene and community get a little bigger. Should stop with the negative assumptions and give people who wanna learn about this awesome game a chance. Cheers!
On September 12 2012 20:50 kennyf wrote: Even if she gets into SC2 she probably won`t get past Gold. Hot chicks always think they can get anything they want, just because they are hot. Look at Scarlett... only reason (s)he won NASL is because (s)he had to work for everything. I wouldn`t mind see Lindsey in caster/interview/whatever role, but i don`t see her doing any good. Btw if she had `Scarlett look` there would never be that much hype about her learning SC2.
Boobs.
/edit About Lindsey streaming her games... stream + boobs = more viewers = more money
Boobs.
I am not going to lie, but if your only problem is the fact she is a beautiful woman that would like to play sc2, I can only safely assume that you may be gender biased and hate women.
On September 12 2012 20:50 kennyf wrote: Even if she gets into SC2 she probably won`t get past Gold. Hot chicks always think they can get anything they want, just because they are hot. Look at Scarlett... only reason (s)he won NASL is because (s)he had to work for everything. I wouldn`t mind see Lindsey in caster/interview/whatever role, but i don`t see her doing any good. Btw if she had `Scarlett look` there would never be that much hype about her learning SC2.
Boobs.
/edit About Lindsey streaming her games... stream + boobs = more viewers = more money
Boobs.
I am not going to lie, but if your only problem is the fact she is a beautiful woman that would like to play sc2, I can only safely assume that you may be gender biased and hate women.
On September 12 2012 20:50 kennyf wrote: Even if she gets into SC2 she probably won`t get past Gold. Hot chicks always think they can get anything they want, just because they are hot. Look at Scarlett... only reason (s)he won NASL is because (s)he had to work for everything. I wouldn`t mind see Lindsey in caster/interview/whatever role, but i don`t see her doing any good. Btw if she had `Scarlett look` there would never be that much hype about her learning SC2.
Boobs.
/edit About Lindsey streaming her games... stream + boobs = more viewers = more money
Boobs.
I am not going to lie, but if your only problem is the fact she is a beautiful woman that would like to play sc2, I can only safely assume that you may be gender biased and hate women.
Beautiful women
Even a brief glance at his post shows he's against the stereotype of the 'esports girl getting where she is on looks', not women in general.
I -really- dislike people who get too much fame for good looks but is complete clueless in content. I'm excited that she has taken a personal interest in SC2.
Best of luck to her to learning this game. Maybe she could be a shoutcaster in a year or two~ >:D
On September 12 2012 19:03 Holcan wrote: I can see the conversation now
sporer: okay, my rate is X amount per hour, with room and food.
nasl: we can do that, but since we are having you back can you act like you are trying to know the game better?
sporer: do I have to actually play that nerdy game?
nasl: nah just tweet at day[9] so it seems like you care.
sporer: deal!
the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself.
Meh thats marketing. If she tries to get more exposure for herself, why not. To get famous in our community you either need to be good at the game or insult a lot of people, so who cares.
On September 12 2012 20:50 kennyf wrote: Even if she gets into SC2 she probably won`t get past Gold. Hot chicks always think they can get anything they want, just because they are hot. Look at Scarlett... only reason (s)he won NASL is because (s)he had to work for everything. I wouldn`t mind see Lindsey in caster/interview/whatever role, but i don`t see her doing any good. Btw if she had `Scarlett look` there would never be that much hype about her learning SC2.
Boobs.
/edit About Lindsey streaming her games... stream + boobs = more viewers = more money
Boobs.
It's a nasty way to put it. But it's true for the most part, but that's the viewers fault, not her fault. Incoming whitenerdknights for sure.
Immaturity and lonely nerds abound in this thread, holy shit. Kudos to Lindsey for making an attempt at understanding the content she wishes to be a part of!
I am actually surprised by the amount of negativity surrounding this. So what if she wants publicity, she is a model.... did you really expect otherwise? I think its great that she is choosing to work in the SC2 scene, and is actually interested in learning the game. I am sure she could have chosen other scenes to participate in and yet she chose to come back to the SC2. I am reminded in the Tasteless real talk episode where Tasteless mentioned how stupid forumers could be, yet the people who actually show up to events are so supportive and cool. Thanks to those who actually go to events and make a good name for the SC2 community. If it was only the forumers representing us, I am sure she would not want to come back to our scene.
On September 12 2012 20:50 kennyf wrote: Even if she gets into SC2 she probably won`t get past Gold. Hot chicks always think they can get anything they want, just because they are hot. Look at Scarlett... only reason (s)he won NASL is because (s)he had to work for everything. I wouldn`t mind see Lindsey in caster/interview/whatever role, but i don`t see her doing any good. Btw if she had `Scarlett look` there would never be that much hype about her learning SC2.
Boobs.
/edit About Lindsey streaming her games... stream + boobs = more viewers = more money
Boobs.
Wow you seem like someone experienced who knows how the world actually works. Tell me more!
I don't understand why some guys are still so grumpy and cannot welcome pretty faces to the scene.
On September 12 2012 20:50 kennyf wrote: Even if she gets into SC2 she probably won`t get past Gold. Hot chicks always think they can get anything they want, just because they are hot. Look at Scarlett... only reason (s)he won NASL is because (s)he had to work for everything. I wouldn`t mind see Lindsey in caster/interview/whatever role, but i don`t see her doing any good. Btw if she had `Scarlett look` there would never be that much hype about her learning SC2.
Boobs.
/edit About Lindsey streaming her games... stream + boobs = more viewers = more money
Boobs.
It's a nasty way to put it. But it's true for the most part, but that's the viewers fault, not her fault. Incoming whitenerdknights for sure.
Edit : Boobs
That you'll get more viewers in a largely male-populated community by being an attractive female shouldn't come as a surprise. And it works both ways.
However, claiming that the ability to work hard has anything to do with physical appearance is stupid.
Maybe i read it wrong, but he is talking about for example how many people would watch her stream vs Scarlett stream, for example. That has to do with physical appareance and not work. I would watch Scarlett if i had to choose tho
On September 12 2012 19:03 Holcan wrote: I can see the conversation now
sporer: okay, my rate is X amount per hour, with room and food.
nasl: we can do that, but since we are having you back can you act like you are trying to know the game better?
sporer: do I have to actually play that nerdy game?
nasl: nah just tweet at day[9] so it seems like you care.
sporer: deal!
the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself.
You're reading faaaar too much into this.
Holcan never reads too far into anything. I agree with him. Any other girl can do her job, at least get someone who is dedicated to eSports. Anna Prosser, Soe, LaniBot, etc etc. List goes on.
On September 12 2012 20:02 Gosi wrote: Funny to see all the support she gets (from the peeps that are actually serious) and how they "loved" her at NASL s1 finals. If it was some random nerd that jumped in instead of her in that position and did such a horrible job you would all call for a fucking lynch mob on the guy.
At least give your attention to the chicks in the scene that actually knows what they are doing and are here because of a genuine interest from the very beginning and not just for the attention and dem $$$. What a joke.
On September 12 2012 20:50 kennyf wrote: Even if she gets into SC2 she probably won`t get past Gold. Hot chicks always think they can get anything they want, just because they are hot. Look at Scarlett... only reason (s)he won NASL is because (s)he had to work for everything. I wouldn`t mind see Lindsey in caster/interview/whatever role, but i don`t see her doing any good. Btw if she had `Scarlett look` there would never be that much hype about her learning SC2.
Boobs.
/edit About Lindsey streaming her games... stream + boobs = more viewers = more money
Boobs.
Wow you seem like someone experienced who knows how the world actually works. Tell me more!
I don't understand why some guys are still so grumpy and cannot welcome pretty faces to the scene.
Because they don't deserver the attention they're getting? It's just a pretty face with no knowledge who earns some easy money. If you want to look at pretty faces, go watch a modelling contest or some shit.
Now on the other hand, if she does a good job and has genuine interest in the game, gets better etc then I don't mind having 'pretty faces' in the scene. But a pretty face with the sole purpose of being a pretty face is exploiting your looks while there are people working hard who deserved that spot.
On September 12 2012 19:03 Holcan wrote: I can see the conversation now
sporer: okay, my rate is X amount per hour, with room and food.
nasl: we can do that, but since we are having you back can you act like you are trying to know the game better?
sporer: do I have to actually play that nerdy game?
nasl: nah just tweet at day[9] so it seems like you care.
sporer: deal!
the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself.
You're reading faaaar too much into this.
Holcan never reads too far into anything. I agree with him. Any other girl can do her job, at least get someone who is dedicated to eSports. Anna Prosser, Soe, LaniBot, etc etc. List goes on.
You're just assuming that she is doing this just to get another SC2 gig. She has gotten semi-successful in the last year (appearing on Conan commercials etc) and she is probably beyond these types of jobs. Maybe she wants to get back into SC2 because she has some free time now?
On September 12 2012 22:22 Voreau wrote: Kudos to Lindsey for making an attempt at understanding the content she wishes to be a part of!
Yeah, it's really remarkable that she wants to understand the content she wants to be part of ([sarcasm] it's not remarkable)... Personally I feel insulted whenever a tournament host has no clue about the game he/she is presenting* and in my eyes a minimum knowledge of SC2 should be met to fill in various tournament hosting roles.
* This might stem from a general distaste for greed and gluttony in humanity. dunno rly :-D.
A general question, what does Lindsey Sporrer bring to SC2 and it's community?
On September 12 2012 20:50 kennyf wrote: Even if she gets into SC2 she probably won`t get past Gold. Hot chicks always think they can get anything they want, just because they are hot. Look at Scarlett... only reason (s)he won NASL is because (s)he had to work for everything. I wouldn`t mind see Lindsey in caster/interview/whatever role, but i don`t see her doing any good. Btw if she had `Scarlett look` there would never be that much hype about her learning SC2.
Boobs.
/edit About Lindsey streaming her games... stream + boobs = more viewers = more money
Boobs.
Could you be anymore cynical, insecure and projecting?
Forum Warriors attack! Cleanse this abomination of beautiful women coming into the scene! No other area of anything ever has had this happen to it! Everywhere else everyone is ugly and has to work really hard to get anything!
Why are people against her wanting to learn SC2? People bitched when she didn't know what she was talking about, and now they bitch when she wants to learn so she doesn't repeat the same mistake... logic, it does not exist in this place.
On September 12 2012 22:57 Fluffboll wrote: Forum Warriors attack! Cleanse this abomination of beautiful women coming into the scene! No other area of anything ever has had this happen to it! Everywhere else everyone is ugly and has to work really hard to get anything!
I don't think the issue is her being beautiful, but her suddenly deciding to be interested in SC2 by publicly stating so.
On September 12 2012 22:57 Fluffboll wrote: Why are people against her wanting to learn SC2? People bitched when she didn't know what she was talking about, and now they bitch when she wants to learn so she doesn't repeat the same mistake... logic, it does not exist in this place.
Because learning SC2 by publicly contacting one of the most popular SC2 streamers and community figures + asking help for setting up her stream on ones facebook page, does not really make it seem genuine, but more like a paper shield so it does seem like an effort.
That said, she probably deserves a couple of weeks / months before we judge whether her interest in SC2 was genuine.
On September 12 2012 23:04 Saechiis wrote: Great, I hope she can prove that being pretty doesn't make one dumb or unable to work hard at something.
It's not on her shoulders to prove that(ie. many beautiful people work hard and are intelligent, just like many are not). What she has to prove is that Lindsey Sporrer is not dumb or unable to work hard.
On September 12 2012 22:50 JKM wrote: Why not? I think Scarlett would like to be "judged" on equal terms with other females..? I could be wrong, but it strikes me as a natural expectance.
I think judging transexuals on equal terms with females is all but natural, but I'll understand if extremely left-wing oriented team liquid disagrees.
On September 12 2012 20:50 kennyf wrote: Even if she gets into SC2 she probably won`t get past Gold. Hot chicks always think they can get anything they want, just because they are hot. Look at Scarlett... only reason (s)he won NASL is because (s)he had to work for everything. I wouldn`t mind see Lindsey in caster/interview/whatever role, but i don`t see her doing any good. Btw if she had `Scarlett look` there would never be that much hype about her learning SC2.
Boobs.
/edit About Lindsey streaming her games... stream + boobs = more viewers = more money
Boobs.
Might be the least important thing in your post, but Scarlett didn´t win NASL.
well, she deserves a chance to prove that she really means it. but in my eyes, it does indeed seem like another publicity stunt. and if this suspicion is true, then i agree with all the negative posts in this thread. some people have to understand that those who criticised in here do not hate beautiful women in general, we hate it when beautiful women get exposure and are successful for no other reason than their looks. (in areas that are not intrinsically about looks...) hating the superficialness of todays world doesnt equate being an angry loser!
On September 12 2012 23:48 CcCFlu wrote: why does it matter whether or not she just wants to make money out of sc2 so does idra and yet everyone still likes him
Maybe because she does it in a very ignorant kind of way
On September 12 2012 23:39 Black Gun wrote: well, she deserves a chance to prove that she really means it. but in my eyes, it does indeed seem like another publicity stunt. and if this suspicion is true, then i agree with all the negative posts in this thread. some people have to understand that those who criticised in here do not hate beautiful women in general, we hate it when beautiful women get exposure and are successful for no other reason than their looks. (in areas that are not intrinsically about looks...) hating the superficialness of todays world doesnt equate being an angry loser!
It kind of does, actually, since it makes you appear spiteful, jealous, and petty.
NASL Season 1 ended one year ago. If she had found interest in Starcraft 2, she would have played or watched it during that time.* She might not have been able to stream because of contract issues** but she has no acceptable reason why she didn't watch or play Starcraft 2 on her own in the last 14(?) month. Guess I am going to watch her first stream to see whether she is interested in Starcraft itself (and knows quite a bit about it) or only wants the attention/gamer girl association***/money.
Hosts/Interviewer don't need to know everything about Starcraft but I feel like they should atleast care about the game or Esport. I fear there might be a new person in the community I will have to ignore.
* I tried to use if3; Can I use if2 on something which happened in the past? ** Was the grammar correct? *** Is there an English word for the German usage of "Image" ~ How people think and feel about something or someone.
i hate to be brutally negative but... the reason various entertainers who take a shot at mainstream acceptance and then fail ( Jared Cale , Lindsey Sporrer ) is that they are just using the SC2 community as a stepping stone in their career.
The textbook example of a broadcaster pulling this off to perfection is "Gentleman" Jeff Marek when he went from "Pro Wrestling Radio Host" to "Hockey Night In Canada Anchorman".
For Lindsey she merely sees "the SC2 Community" as a "means to a greater end".
and that "end" does not include being a Hostess at the BNet World Championships in China.
On September 12 2012 23:45 Khainer wrote: How is she coming back? She hosted NASL once? If that all it takes to 'return' to something i'm a veteran in many things.
Maybe she's not hosting NASLS? She seems to really like the community which is odd since she doesn't know too well about "zvg" and "egames"
On September 13 2012 00:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i hate to be brutally negative but... the reason various entertainers who take a shot at mainstream acceptance and then fail ( Jared Cale , Lindsey Sporrer ) is that they are just using the SC2 community as a stepping stone in their career.
The textbook example of a broadcaster pulling this off to perfection is "Gentleman" Jeff Marek when he went from "Pro Wrestling Radio Host" to "Hockey Night In Canada Anchorman".
For Lindsey she merely sees "the SC2 Community" as a "means to a greater end".
and that "end" does not include being a Hostess at the BNet World Championships in China.
What's wrong with that? A lot of people in life need stepping stones, and believe me Lindsay Sporrer probably can go to thousands of other places to do something like that. Why is it hard for people to believe she just wants to learn the game?
On September 12 2012 23:39 Black Gun wrote: well, she deserves a chance to prove that she really means it. but in my eyes, it does indeed seem like another publicity stunt. and if this suspicion is true, then i agree with all the negative posts in this thread. some people have to understand that those who criticised in here do not hate beautiful women in general, we hate it when beautiful women get exposure and are successful for no other reason than their looks. (in areas that are not intrinsically about looks...) hating the superficialness of todays world doesnt equate being an angry loser!
It kind of does, actually, since it makes you appear spiteful, jealous, and petty.
Preferring meritocracy is not the same as being 'spiteful, jealous, and petty'.
On September 12 2012 23:48 CcCFlu wrote: why does it matter whether or not she just wants to make money out of sc2 so does idra and yet everyone still likes him
These threads get out of hand quick...but I have to refute ridiculous arguments when I see them.
Idra dedicates his life to SC2, whether he likes the game or not. It's the only skill the guy has. He hasn't gone to school, he hasn't had another job. There's a level of dedication, whether he's doing it for money or love of the game or whatever, that many of these new esports guys don't have.
Love for the community, dedication to esports and the game.
i really dont wanna hate on her. Its always good when the community is increased, especially when its a potential caster/interviewer but lets be honest, if she puts the lack luster effort that she had in NASL then she doesnt deserve to be in the spotlight for long. Best of luck to her though
Meh, never understood why people like booth babes and the likes, but i guess some people do. Seem to be something that just takes money away from the industry, but than again 2 separate HD screens for minimaps aren't much more useful. So to each his own i guess.
On September 13 2012 00:38 Naphal wrote: jesus people are way too serious about this, this may provide excellent entertainment, or fail miserably, either way i will be amused i guess =D
On September 12 2012 23:39 Black Gun wrote: well, she deserves a chance to prove that she really means it. but in my eyes, it does indeed seem like another publicity stunt. and if this suspicion is true, then i agree with all the negative posts in this thread. some people have to understand that those who criticised in here do not hate beautiful women in general, we hate it when beautiful women get exposure and are successful for no other reason than their looks. (in areas that are not intrinsically about looks...) hating the superficialness of todays world doesnt equate being an angry loser!
It kind of does, actually, since it makes you appear spiteful, jealous, and petty.
I guess at this point I might get a lot of flaming about this question but since I honestly have no idea of the answer I'm going to ask it anyway. I get that she is interested in SC2 and based on this thread I should probably know about her but who the hell is Lindsey Sporrer?
Excellent. I haven't seen good ZvG coverage lately.
That said, I feel it's pretty abusive to ride on the popularity of others (read: day9) to kickstart her own "fame" after only having had a cameo appearance as a comedy sidekick at best.
Oh well. If her heart is in it, then it's good. If she just wants her face out on screens to advance her "carreer", then she can kindly pack her bags and shove off.
On September 12 2012 17:34 Xiahou wrote: This is going to kill ESPORTS.
huh how? shes cute and has to be early 20s. She even admits that shes willing to learn about the game to know more. Last time I checked sex sells pretty much all the time with anything and DOESNT kill anything. Ever heard of gaming convention centers? Booth girls? If you are old enough you'd know that from when that started until today they have actually generated such huge revenue from booth girls that its now like a main feature there.
On September 13 2012 00:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i hate to be brutally negative but... the reason various entertainers who take a shot at mainstream acceptance and then fail ( Jared Cale , Lindsey Sporrer ) is that they are just using the SC2 community as a stepping stone in their career.
The textbook example of a broadcaster pulling this off to perfection is "Gentleman" Jeff Marek when he went from "Pro Wrestling Radio Host" to "Hockey Night In Canada Anchorman".
For Lindsey she merely sees "the SC2 Community" as a "means to a greater end".
and that "end" does not include being a Hostess at the BNet World Championships in China.
true, it's too easy for a semi-hot girl to walk into a niche market like sc2, which is predominately young males, and instantly create a fan base that they can then use to promote themselves in other areas.
You could argue she has passion for the game but would she be here if esports was a moribund sport? no, she is passionate for exposure and promoting herself, and esports is a burgeoning market and one that is largely untapped and uncontested in the hot girl department . . .
I guess when the choice came up, do I become a porn actress, do I start teaching acting, or do I start entertaining nerds in an industry I have no interest in, the nerds won!....
Lindsay who? I honestly have no clue who she is since I never watched NASL season 1. If it's genuine interest in learning, then it's good. I would hope she has no secret agenda lol.
On September 13 2012 03:32 BigFan wrote: Lindsay who? I honestly have no clue who she is since I never watched NASL season 1. If it's genuine interest in learning, then it's good. I would hope she has no secret agenda lol.
On September 13 2012 04:33 Xiphos wrote: Lol @ the virginal fanboys.
Yeah she is above average in the beauty department, so what?
Some of you here act like this is the biggest event ever happened and whatnot.
Especially whoever put exclamation marks on the thread's title.
Get a grip man.
I agree. I really don't care about her and I think that community attention should go towards people who are actually trying to build (pardon the cliche) "esports", rather than some person who appears to me like someone who is simply milking the community libido for some extra cash before her modelling career takes off.
Remember how she said a year ago how she wanted to get involved, and then disappeared for a year? Guess what, she probably doesn't care about the game, just wants fame and relatively money.
On September 13 2012 04:37 Reapafied wrote: I just don't see how so many people care so much about this... Pretty girl show some interest in starcraft.. nerds lose their shit... Really?
You apparently cared enough to click on the topic and post an inflammatory message. Funny that people would discuss Starcraft news on a forum dedicated to that very topic.
On September 13 2012 04:33 Xiphos wrote: Lol @ the virginal fanboys.
Yeah she is above average in the beauty department, so what?
Some of you here act like this is the biggest event ever happened and whatnot.
Especially whoever put exclamation marks on the thread's title.
Get a grip man.
I agree. I really don't care about her and I think that community attention should go towards people who are actually trying to build (pardon the cliche) "esports", rather than some person who appears to me like someone who is simply milking the community libido for some extra cash before her modelling career takes off.
Remember how she said a year ago how she wanted to get involved, and then disappeared for a year? Guess what, she probably doesn't care about the game, just wants fame and relatively money.
My thoughts.
Because when I watch the female reporters on NFL Sunday, they're obviously there for their personal insight into the game, and not as a pretty face, right?
This is entertainment. People want to see pretty faces, and say stupid things. They'll even use exclamation marks in their thread titles. It's all part of the show. The GSL doesn't need pretty lights and modeled sound-booths, but why complain about it?
On September 13 2012 04:33 Xiphos wrote: Lol @ the virginal fanboys.
Yeah she is above average in the beauty department, so what?
Some of you here act like this is the biggest event ever happened and whatnot.
Especially whoever put exclamation marks on the thread's title.
Get a grip man.
I agree. I really don't care about her and I think that community attention should go towards people who are actually trying to build (pardon the cliche) "esports", rather than some person who appears to me like someone who is simply milking the community libido for some extra cash before her modelling career takes off.
Remember how she said a year ago how she wanted to get involved, and then disappeared for a year? Guess what, she probably doesn't care about the game, just wants fame and relatively money.
My thoughts.
I agree, I too think she's doing it for the publicity. However, having said that, I don't care. She's going to provide me and and a bunch of other people with some entertainment.
Pretty girl being inept at something and funny commentary to go along with it. There's a reason people are pushing her to do it, and stream everything. It's not because we want to see her go from Bronze to Diamond with legit coaching, it's because we want to see her play in Bronze under the tutelage of someone entertaining.
On September 13 2012 00:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i hate to be brutally negative but... the reason various entertainers who take a shot at mainstream acceptance and then fail ( Jared Cale , Lindsey Sporrer ) is that they are just using the SC2 community as a stepping stone in their career.
The textbook example of a broadcaster pulling this off to perfection is "Gentleman" Jeff Marek when he went from "Pro Wrestling Radio Host" to "Hockey Night In Canada Anchorman".
For Lindsey she merely sees "the SC2 Community" as a "means to a greater end".
and that "end" does not include being a Hostess at the BNet World Championships in China.
Jared Cale and Sporrer aren't equivalent at all, the former like him or not has shown a history of following the game and being passionate for E-sports. Can't remember some examples, but I think he helped out some people in the scene financially as well, way back.
Yeah let's legitimise E-sports by using token pretty faces for our coverage! There are plenty of girls in the scene who can do that without it being a transparent springboard to other things. Soe is a good example of a girl who is there on merit and knowledge, also happens to be attractive which is a bonus in a hosting capacity, but she's got a history of involvement in the scene.
Veralynn was one of the last female players to get any kind of sponsorship, despite being grandmaster on both EU and NA. People like me, who don't venerate women based on their lucks but on their passion or dedication want to see more Scarletts, more Veralynns. That's all
Veralynn was one of the last female players to get any kind of sponsorship, despite being grandmaster on both EU and NA. People like me, who don't venerate women based on their lucks but on their passion or dedication want to see more Scarletts, more Veralynns. That's all
That's nice and all but simply discrediting her becaus she has no past in e-sports seems kinda dumb. Maybe she legitimately wants to get into it, or maybe she just wants to get some money out of virgin neckbeards. Who knows? I'm willing to give her a chance cause I don't give a fuck.
Oh great a female player and whole community goes apeshit (once aigan)
Why do you care about her? There are so many good players but the community focuses their attention to gamer that have tits instead of gamers that actually play the fucking game well.
She basically comes to the sc community asks everyone for their attention and demands help for the fact that she has tits. And the only thing that is worse than that is that you actually support her doing so
Attention whores will be attention whores... Rather than publicly announcing oh I will start streaming if someone can help me set it up read a damn guide and learn it yourself.
We all know day9 doesn't do coaching it's been publicly stated he doesn't do let's go out and ask publicly if he can help us... Let's not look at the 400+ dailies he has done lets not even do any research at all let's just use our good looks to strong arm him into it.
If she wants to legitimately wants to learn SC2 then props to her but do some research on your own stop begging for help.
No seriously, this is great news. She may be in it just for the publicity, in fact, that's definitely what it's about. So what? That's good for e-sports and she is super cute.
She is starting as a noob. She is capable and willing to produce content at her own level. She is not attempting to interview people with far superior gameknowledge about things she has barely heard of.
Even if it fails beyond belief (it might), I am intrigued.
On September 13 2012 06:22 Tolazytobecreative wrote: Oh great a female player and whole community goes apeshit (once aigan)
Why do you care about her? There are so many good players but the community focuses their attention to gamer that have tits instead of gamers that actually play the fucking game well.
She basically comes to the sc community asks everyone for their attention and demands help for the fact that she has tits. And the only thing that is worse than that is that you actually support her doing so
no its just we remember this specific person for her unforgettable contribution to ESPORTS!
On September 13 2012 07:07 h41fgod wrote: She is starting as a noob. She is capable and willing to produce content at her own level. She is not attempting to interview people with far superior gameknowledge about things she has barely heard of.
Even if it fails beyond belief (it might), I am intrigued.
If you are a noob and want to learn about the game... you don't tweet day9 for help. You watch the videos and/or pay for a coach. You don't need to do it public.
Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career.
The fact that she's by far the most attractive girl to be associated with SC2 is enough to get me interested. She made a lot of mistakes at the NASL finals because she didn't know Starcraft and the community made fun of her for it. Now she's back and is interested in learning. I say good for her. She could have easily just given up on Starcraft entirely. We should welcome anyone who is willing to learn. I may even watch her stream.
On September 13 2012 08:08 eporter wrote: The fact that she's by far the most attractive girl to be associated with SC2 is enough to get me interested. She made a lot of mistakes at the NASL finals because she didn't know Starcraft and the community made fun of her for it. Now she's back and is interested in learning. I say good for her. She could have easily just given up on Starcraft entirely. We should welcome anyone who is willing to learn. I may even watch her stream.
On September 13 2012 07:59 fishjie wrote: so she did one season of nasl and never had any community involvement afterward? and people still made a fan club?
lemme guess, tried to make it as a real actress or whatever, failed, and now is coming back to sc to try and work her way back up? lulz.
That's pretty much what has happened. You can check her imdb if you need to.
On September 13 2012 07:59 fishjie wrote: so she did one season of nasl and never had any community involvement afterward? and people still made a fan club?
lemme guess, tried to make it as a real actress or whatever, failed, and now is coming back to sc to try and work her way back up? lulz.
On September 12 2012 19:03 Holcan wrote: the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself.
Actually, I think if you, as a host, and therefore as someone with a guaranteed audience, set up a stream, I think you're guaranteed to get better very quickly, for two reasons -
1 - It'll force you to play a reasonable amount of time to make your streaming a worthwhile piece of content for viewers 2 - You'll be inundated with advice, requests to skype call and coach, etc.
The reason streaming doesn't help, say, me down in silver league, is because nobody would watch, so what "Audience" can I reach out to for advice? She doesn't have that problem.
On September 12 2012 19:03 Holcan wrote: the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself.
Actually, I think if you, as a host, and therefore as someone with a guaranteed audience, set up a stream, I think you're guaranteed to get better very quickly, for two reasons -
1 - It'll force you to play a reasonable amount of time to make your streaming a worthwhile piece of content for viewers 2 - You'll be inundated with advice, requests to skype call and coach, etc.
The reason streaming doesn't help, say, me down in silver league, is because nobody would watch, so what "Audience" can I reach out to for advice? She doesn't have that problem.
Or it could degenerate into a softcore striptease.
Pretty or not, I like the variety she brings to the otherwise all male unshaven t-shirt wearing nerdy hosts, even if just for the fact that she has a good appearence on camera.
On September 13 2012 08:08 eporter wrote: The fact that she's by far the most attractive girl to be associated with SC2 is enough to get me interested. She made a lot of mistakes at the NASL finals because she didn't know Starcraft and the community made fun of her for it. Now she's back and is interested in learning. I say good for her. She could have easily just given up on Starcraft entirely. We should welcome anyone who is willing to learn. I may even watch her stream.
You sir have not watched Lauren Elise...
lol, quick google says she's a playboy pornstar. wtf?
On September 13 2012 06:22 Tolazytobecreative wrote: Oh great a female player and whole community goes apeshit (once aigan)
Why do you care about her? There are so many good players but the community focuses their attention to gamer that have tits instead of gamers that actually play the fucking game well.
She basically comes to the sc community asks everyone for their attention and demands help for the fact that she has tits. And the only thing that is worse than that is that you actually support her doing so
Why do you care that others care? It's really seems the case that the people most distraught about the attention given to a an 'unworthy' person are themselves guilty of further drawing attention to said 'unworthy' person.
This is more a general observation then directed specifically at Toolazy. It just happened to be a poignant example.
On September 12 2012 19:03 Holcan wrote: the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself.
Actually, I think if you, as a host, and therefore as someone with a guaranteed audience, set up a stream, I think you're guaranteed to get better very quickly, for two reasons -
1 - It'll force you to play a reasonable amount of time to make your streaming a worthwhile piece of content for viewers 2 - You'll be inundated with advice, requests to skype call and coach, etc.
The reason streaming doesn't help, say, me down in silver league, is because nobody would watch, so what "Audience" can I reach out to for advice? She doesn't have that problem.
Or it could degenerate into a softcore striptease.
Very likely outcome.
So it's win win. She degrades herself entirely willingly by stripping, nerds get off.
Or she sits down and plays the game, and nerds still get off, because suddenly there's that little bit of extra legitimacy to Starcraft 2 as a respectable hobby, rather than some nerdy thing that will change your body's sweat glands to exude anti-woman pheromone at 90% concentration.
Obviously the second option is much better in the long run, and less degrading for everyone involved, and less tacky/peurile, but hell, we all know the market is there for the first option if that's what it turns out to be. Can we really say thats a bad thing overall?
On September 12 2012 19:03 Holcan wrote: the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself.
Actually, I think if you, as a host, and therefore as someone with a guaranteed audience, set up a stream, I think you're guaranteed to get better very quickly, for two reasons -
1 - It'll force you to play a reasonable amount of time to make your streaming a worthwhile piece of content for viewers 2 - You'll be inundated with advice, requests to skype call and coach, etc.
The reason streaming doesn't help, say, me down in silver league, is because nobody would watch, so what "Audience" can I reach out to for advice? She doesn't have that problem.
Or it could degenerate into a softcore striptease.
Very likely outcome.
So it's win win. She degrades herself entirely willingly by stripping, nerds get off.
Or she sits down and plays the game, and nerds still get off, because suddenly there's that little bit of extra legitimacy to Starcraft 2 as a respectable hobby, rather than some nerdy thing that will change your body's sweat glands to exude anti-woman pheromone at 90% concentration.
Obviously the second option is much better in the long run, and less degrading for everyone involved, and less tacky/peurile, but hell, we all know the market is there for the first option if that's what it turns out to be. Can we really say thats a bad thing overall?
Yeah good post here I guess. The one thing I'd disagree with is that SC would have added legitimacy because of people like her playing. People fawning over an attractive lady isn't really going to change the gaming nerd virginal stereotypes.
Live and let live, good lucky with whatever she's planning. Couldn't be fucked posting anymore in these kind of threads, no point.
well read through all the posts and luckily the horny white knights are not as numerous as i thought
good to see most guys still have sense (probably the ones who have actually held a girls hand before). how in the world does her playing sc2 give it legitimacy? as soon as she gets an opportunity she'll jump ship and sail for hollywood, like she did last time. it makes sc2 a gimmicky joke. it insults the guys who watch, and it insults the women who are involved in the community and actually care about video games.
On September 12 2012 19:03 Holcan wrote: the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself.
Actually, I think if you, as a host, and therefore as someone with a guaranteed audience, set up a stream, I think you're guaranteed to get better very quickly, for two reasons -
1 - It'll force you to play a reasonable amount of time to make your streaming a worthwhile piece of content for viewers 2 - You'll be inundated with advice, requests to skype call and coach, etc.
The reason streaming doesn't help, say, me down in silver league, is because nobody would watch, so what "Audience" can I reach out to for advice? She doesn't have that problem.
Or it could degenerate into a softcore striptease.
Very likely outcome.
So it's win win. She degrades herself entirely willingly by stripping, nerds get off.
Or she sits down and plays the game, and nerds still get off, because suddenly there's that little bit of extra legitimacy to Starcraft 2 as a respectable hobby, rather than some nerdy thing that will change your body's sweat glands to exude anti-woman pheromone at 90% concentration.
Obviously the second option is much better in the long run, and less degrading for everyone involved, and less tacky/peurile, but hell, we all know the market is there for the first option if that's what it turns out to be. Can we really say thats a bad thing overall?
Yeah good post here I guess. The one thing I'd disagree with is that SC would have added legitimacy because of people like her playing. People fawning over an attractive lady isn't really going to change the gaming nerd virginal stereotypes.
Live and let live, good lucky with whatever she's planning. Couldn't be fucked posting anymore in these kind of threads, no point.
It wouldn't legitimise nerds, it would legitimise more girls playing starcraft, because they could point at her and say "Its not for nerdy ugly girls, look at this fine woman nerdin' it up!"
Kinda like D&D nerds get to say "Fuck you man, you shit on D&D you shit on Vin Diesel" because Vin Diesel admitted he played, and that makes it seem to people that hey, maybe there's something I'm missing here?
Which of course means more nerds get to share their common interest with the ladies, and lets be honest guys, most nerds aren't bad people. They're just much better at talking about their interests than someone elses. Likelihood is, more girls play starcraft, more nerds get social skills.
On September 12 2012 19:03 Holcan wrote: the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself.
Actually, I think if you, as a host, and therefore as someone with a guaranteed audience, set up a stream, I think you're guaranteed to get better very quickly, for two reasons -
1 - It'll force you to play a reasonable amount of time to make your streaming a worthwhile piece of content for viewers 2 - You'll be inundated with advice, requests to skype call and coach, etc.
The reason streaming doesn't help, say, me down in silver league, is because nobody would watch, so what "Audience" can I reach out to for advice? She doesn't have that problem.
Or it could degenerate into a softcore striptease.
Very likely outcome.
So it's win win. She degrades herself entirely willingly by stripping, nerds get off.
Or she sits down and plays the game, and nerds still get off, because suddenly there's that little bit of extra legitimacy to Starcraft 2 as a respectable hobby, rather than some nerdy thing that will change your body's sweat glands to exude anti-woman pheromone at 90% concentration.
Obviously the second option is much better in the long run, and less degrading for everyone involved, and less tacky/peurile, but hell, we all know the market is there for the first option if that's what it turns out to be. Can we really say thats a bad thing overall?
Yeah good post here I guess. The one thing I'd disagree with is that SC would have added legitimacy because of people like her playing. People fawning over an attractive lady isn't really going to change the gaming nerd virginal stereotypes.
Live and let live, good lucky with whatever she's planning. Couldn't be fucked posting anymore in these kind of threads, no point.
And this to me is the correct way to go about things if you're not really down with it. If she's a flash in the pan, it will die on it's own accord due to disinterest. If she's the real deal, it's a gain for our community. Time tells all. Brother Mack is an excellent example. He got a bunch of views from making one Starcraft related video and got a few chuckles from TL. He then continued to make more and got more hits until he faded back into obscurity due to our collective disinterest. Time separates the dedicated from the opportunists, so imo just let it play out.
(Unless the opportunists are running scam tournaments. In which case kill it, kill it with fire.)
On September 13 2012 09:47 fishjie wrote: well read through all the posts and luckily the horny white knights are not as numerous as i thought
good to see most guys still have sense (probably the ones who have actually held a girls hand before). how in the world does her playing sc2 give it legitimacy? as soon as she gets an opportunity she'll jump ship and sail for hollywood, like she did last time. it makes sc2 a gimmicky joke. it insults the guys who watch, and it insults the women who are involved in the community and actually care about video games.
Like I said above, it either goes one way or the other. Neither is bad, and honestly, neither is insulting either, its just that the "Horny nerd-baiting" option services a crass, short term demand (But a demand that is there already), and the "Stay with SC2, learn to love the game" option services the greater good of the community.
But in the long run, neither option HARMS anybody. Its just one option helps us out a lot more.
hum , i wish her good luck and hard work ,but when it comes to gamer girl, im sorry but Tara babcock is the shit ... lol listen to metal ,is a babe ,plays terran on ladder and streams 1v1 not team game ... and almost up to platinum ,or streaming her d3 lvl60 or her 85 wow charachter , thats a gamer girl
On September 13 2012 10:04 Diminisherqc wrote: hum , i wish her good luck and hard work ,but when it comes to gamer girl, im sorry but Tara babcock is the shit ... lol listen to metal ,is a babe ,plays terran on ladder and streams 1v1 not team game ... and almost up to platinum ,or streaming her d3 lvl60 or her 85 wow charachter , thats a gamer girl
I'd love to hear anyone on TL get excited about following a male Plat Terran.
On September 13 2012 10:04 Diminisherqc wrote: hum , i wish her good luck and hard work ,but when it comes to gamer girl, im sorry but Tara babcock is the shit ... lol listen to metal ,is a babe ,plays terran on ladder and streams 1v1 not team game ... and almost up to platinum ,or streaming her d3 lvl60 or her 85 wow charachter , thats a gamer girl
I'd love to hear anyone on TL get excited about following a male Plat Terran.
Don't congratulate yourself too much guy.
hum i congratulated her .. not me ..my friend is excited about ym plat play cause he's bronze and he's on tl .. 1-0 for me ! bwahahah
On September 13 2012 10:08 Diminisherqc wrote: hum i congratulated her .. not me ..my friend is excited about ym plat play cause he's bronze and he's on tl .. 1-0 for me ! bwahahah
What I'm saying is you sound kinda shallow. Or like a horny teen. Which is to say, shallow.
On September 13 2012 00:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i hate to be brutally negative but... the reason various entertainers who take a shot at mainstream acceptance and then fail ( Jared Cale , Lindsey Sporrer ) is that they are just using the SC2 community as a stepping stone in their career.
The textbook example of a broadcaster pulling this off to perfection is "Gentleman" Jeff Marek when he went from "Pro Wrestling Radio Host" to "Hockey Night In Canada Anchorman".
For Lindsey she merely sees "the SC2 Community" as a "means to a greater end".
and that "end" does not include being a Hostess at the BNet World Championships in China.
Jared Cale and Sporrer aren't equivalent at all, the former like him or not has shown a history of following the game and being passionate for E-sports. Can't remember some examples, but I think he helped out some people in the scene financially as well, way back.
Yeah let's legitimise E-sports by using token pretty faces for our coverage! There are plenty of girls in the scene who can do that without it being a transparent springboard to other things. Soe is a good example of a girl who is there on merit and knowledge, also happens to be attractive which is a bonus in a hosting capacity, but she's got a history of involvement in the scene.
Veralynn was one of the last female players to get any kind of sponsorship, despite being grandmaster on both EU and NA. People like me, who don't venerate women based on their lucks but on their passion or dedication want to see more Scarletts, more Veralynns. That's all
i must've missed the part where WoW is a competitive RTS eSport i do not like or dislike Cale, but his motive is profit not "the good of the community".
the stuff he "did for eSports" revolves around selling merchandise.
if Cale had succeeded as Marek has.... he'd be as involved with eSports about as much as Jeff Marek covers the WWE these days (which is not at all)... but he didnt.. he attempted main stream success as a comic/actor and basically failed.... so he is back in the small niche marketplace of RTS esports.
On September 13 2012 10:08 Diminisherqc wrote: hum i congratulated her .. not me ..my friend is excited about ym plat play cause he's bronze and he's on tl .. 1-0 for me ! bwahahah
What I'm saying is you sound kinda shallow. Or like a horny teen. Which is to say, shallow.
On September 12 2012 19:03 Holcan wrote: the fact her fb post went straight to how to set up a stream....as if streaming will help you learn faster. the fact she thinks her learning experience can be a tool for other beginners is mind boggling, and it shows her narcassitic nature to appoint any of her faults and manipulating it into more exposure for herself.
Actually, I think if you, as a host, and therefore as someone with a guaranteed audience, set up a stream, I think you're guaranteed to get better very quickly, for two reasons -
1 - It'll force you to play a reasonable amount of time to make your streaming a worthwhile piece of content for viewers 2 - You'll be inundated with advice, requests to skype call and coach, etc.
The reason streaming doesn't help, say, me down in silver league, is because nobody would watch, so what "Audience" can I reach out to for advice? She doesn't have that problem.
Or it could degenerate into a softcore striptease.
Very likely outcome.
So it's win win. She degrades herself entirely willingly by stripping, nerds get off.
Or she sits down and plays the game, and nerds still get off, because suddenly there's that little bit of extra legitimacy to Starcraft 2 as a respectable hobby, rather than some nerdy thing that will change your body's sweat glands to exude anti-woman pheromone at 90% concentration.
Obviously the second option is much better in the long run, and less degrading for everyone involved, and less tacky/peurile, but hell, we all know the market is there for the first option if that's what it turns out to be. Can we really say thats a bad thing overall?
It's bad in principle, yes, because it reinforces the stereotype of this community as being fundamentally asocial and sexist to the point that they'd gawk at the first female to give them the time of day.
On September 13 2012 09:47 fishjie wrote: well read through all the posts and luckily the horny white knights are not as numerous as i thought
good to see most guys still have sense (probably the ones who have actually held a girls hand before). how in the world does her playing sc2 give it legitimacy? as soon as she gets an opportunity she'll jump ship and sail for hollywood, like she did last time. it makes sc2 a gimmicky joke. it insults the guys who watch, and it insults the women who are involved in the community and actually care about video games.
Like I said above, it either goes one way or the other. Neither is bad, and honestly, neither is insulting either, its just that the "Horny nerd-baiting" option services a crass, short term demand (But a demand that is there already), and the "Stay with SC2, learn to love the game" option services the greater good of the community.
But in the long run, neither option HARMS anybody. Its just one option helps us out a lot more.
Its insulting to nerds. Let's look at the "hot" girls that are the media darlings: paris hilton and kim kardashian. they have absolutely zero redeeming qualities or features. the only reason they're famous is because they leaked a sex tape. would most guys bang them? absolutely. but would most nerds choose a long term relationship with paris over a geeky girl whose just merely cute? hell no, because paris has a vapid personality. but instead, the media insists that nerds would rather prefer shallow human beings as opposed to people with actual laudable qualities. Blagh.
I dont know much about Lindsey but its clear she knows nothing about gaming and never cared the first time around, so most likely is only doing this because her dreams of making it big in hollywood did not pan out, so she's gotta get back in the small pond of esports.
On September 13 2012 00:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i hate to be brutally negative but... the reason various entertainers who take a shot at mainstream acceptance and then fail ( Jared Cale , Lindsey Sporrer ) is that they are just using the SC2 community as a stepping stone in their career.
The textbook example of a broadcaster pulling this off to perfection is "Gentleman" Jeff Marek when he went from "Pro Wrestling Radio Host" to "Hockey Night In Canada Anchorman".
For Lindsey she merely sees "the SC2 Community" as a "means to a greater end".
and that "end" does not include being a Hostess at the BNet World Championships in China.
Jared Cale and Sporrer aren't equivalent at all, the former like him or not has shown a history of following the game and being passionate for E-sports. Can't remember some examples, but I think he helped out some people in the scene financially as well, way back.
Yeah let's legitimise E-sports by using token pretty faces for our coverage! There are plenty of girls in the scene who can do that without it being a transparent springboard to other things. Soe is a good example of a girl who is there on merit and knowledge, also happens to be attractive which is a bonus in a hosting capacity, but she's got a history of involvement in the scene.
Veralynn was one of the last female players to get any kind of sponsorship, despite being grandmaster on both EU and NA. People like me, who don't venerate women based on their lucks but on their passion or dedication want to see more Scarletts, more Veralynns. That's all
i do not like or dislike Cale, but his motive is profit not "the good of the community".
the stuff he "did for eSports" revolves around selling merchandise.
if Cale had succeeded as Marek has.... he'd be as involved with eSports about as much as Jeff Marek covers the WWE these days (which is not at all)... but he didnt.. he attempted main stream success as a comic/actor and basically failed.... so he is back in the small niche marketplace of RTS esports.
it is clear he genuinely loves RTS games though.
Oh yeah of course the guy has some ulterior motives I wasn't really disputing that. To be fair his attempted move tothe mainstream was a pretty affectionate, albeit ridiculously exaggerated show about gaming. People have a certain affection for Pure Pwnage and his clear love for the subject matter so cut him a bit of slack. Even when Day9 is at his most 'sell out', people believe that he does care for the subject matter.
I have genuinely no idea who Jeff Marek is, but I'm sure your analogy is apt.
On September 13 2012 00:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i hate to be brutally negative but... the reason various entertainers who take a shot at mainstream acceptance and then fail ( Jared Cale , Lindsey Sporrer ) is that they are just using the SC2 community as a stepping stone in their career.
The textbook example of a broadcaster pulling this off to perfection is "Gentleman" Jeff Marek when he went from "Pro Wrestling Radio Host" to "Hockey Night In Canada Anchorman".
For Lindsey she merely sees "the SC2 Community" as a "means to a greater end".
and that "end" does not include being a Hostess at the BNet World Championships in China.
Jared Cale and Sporrer aren't equivalent at all, the former like him or not has shown a history of following the game and being passionate for E-sports. Can't remember some examples, but I think he helped out some people in the scene financially as well, way back.
Yeah let's legitimise E-sports by using token pretty faces for our coverage! There are plenty of girls in the scene who can do that without it being a transparent springboard to other things. Soe is a good example of a girl who is there on merit and knowledge, also happens to be attractive which is a bonus in a hosting capacity, but she's got a history of involvement in the scene.
Veralynn was one of the last female players to get any kind of sponsorship, despite being grandmaster on both EU and NA. People like me, who don't venerate women based on their lucks but on their passion or dedication want to see more Scarletts, more Veralynns. That's all
i do not like or dislike Cale, but his motive is profit not "the good of the community".
the stuff he "did for eSports" revolves around selling merchandise.
if Cale had succeeded as Marek has.... he'd be as involved with eSports about as much as Jeff Marek covers the WWE these days (which is not at all)... but he didnt.. he attempted main stream success as a comic/actor and basically failed.... so he is back in the small niche marketplace of RTS esports.
it is clear he genuinely loves RTS games though.
Oh yeah of course the guy has some ulterior motives I wasn't really disputing that. To be fair his attempted move tothe mainstream was a pretty affectionate, albeit ridiculously exaggerated show about gaming. People have a certain affection for Pure Pwnage and his clear love for the subject matter so cut him a bit of slack. Even when Day9 is at his most 'sell out', people believe that he does care for the subject matter.
I have genuinely no idea who Jeff Marek is, but I'm sure your analogy is apt.
Cale went on the Toronto comedy club circuit and, to put it in academic terms, "was unsuccessful". that's mainly what i was referring to about him " going mainstream ".
On September 13 2012 06:22 Tolazytobecreative wrote: Oh great a female player and whole community goes apeshit (once aigan)
Why do you care about her? There are so many good players but the community focuses their attention to gamer that have tits instead of gamers that actually play the fucking game well.
She basically comes to the sc community asks everyone for their attention and demands help for the fact that she has tits. And the only thing that is worse than that is that you actually support her doing so
Why do you care that others care? It's really seems the case that the people most distraught about the attention given to a an 'unworthy' person are themselves guilty of further drawing attention to said 'unworthy' person.
This is more a general observation then directed specifically at Toolazy. It just happened to be a poignant example.
On September 12 2012 19:37 valaki wrote: People still think she cares about the game or it's just a running joke? I don't quite get it to be honest.
Imho she just wants the attention. I mean, there is no reason in asking day9 for personal lessons as a complete newbie besides the PR. Watching some of his dalies about beginner stuff and just playing the game will probably help more than waiting for him to tell her that there are 2 types of resources and workers harvest them.
I wouldn't be too surprised if day9 agrees though. The viewer count will probably be pretty high.
Vaguely remember Day9 saying he didn't want to do it on a State of the Game way back when. Might have been about someone else though, can anyone confirm?
On September 13 2012 06:22 Tolazytobecreative wrote: Oh great a female player and whole community goes apeshit (once aigan)
Why do you care about her? There are so many good players but the community focuses their attention to gamer that have tits instead of gamers that actually play the fucking game well.
She basically comes to the sc community asks everyone for their attention and demands help for the fact that she has tits. And the only thing that is worse than that is that you actually support her doing so
Why do you care that others care? It's really seems the case that the people most distraught about the attention given to a an 'unworthy' person are themselves guilty of further drawing attention to said 'unworthy' person.
This is more a general observation then directed specifically at Toolazy. It just happened to be a poignant example.
How else can you discuss the matter?
Well that's just the thing. People get upset that other people care and are discussing something they feel is unworthy of attention. So what do they do? They join in the discussion, which usually starts an argument aka more discussion and more attention. If you truly don't like that people care enough to discuss it, but then you join in discussion, you're creating your own monster by drawing attention to it.
It's like those news channels that moan and complain about how the media are focusing on such trivial matters. "Look at x station, all they talk about is how much the politician weighs. Look at y station, they keep on drawing attention to this politician's family. Family is off the table for discussion."
Wait a minute. You're the media... and all you're doing is focusing on the trivial matters that everyone else also talks about. You are your own problem.
Same thing here. If it's not worthy of attention, there's no point drawing attention to it.
Sporrer=imba. I'm a fan. Any news about the day nine lesson? That would be a cool episode. They both live in LA right? Make it so! I"ll watch it twice.
On September 13 2012 04:37 Reapafied wrote: I just don't see how so many people care so much about this... Pretty girl show some interest in starcraft.. nerds lose their shit... Really?
You apparently cared enough to click on the topic and post an inflammatory message. Funny that people would discuss Starcraft news on a forum dedicated to that very topic.
Damn you're angry for no reason. I don't think you understand what the word "inflammatory" means. It's obvious that this means the world to you so enjoy whatever you want.
On September 29 2012 04:42 CHOMPMannER wrote: great another mindless dumb blonde who knows nothing about the game trying to make sense of top pro gamers
The smell of jealousy is strong enough to be smelled across the ocean.
On September 29 2012 04:42 CHOMPMannER wrote: great another mindless dumb blonde who knows nothing about the game trying to make sense of top pro gamers
The smell of jealousy is strong enough to be smelled across the ocean.
I disagree with him, but wanting someone who is something other than a pretty face in front of the camera is a valid concern. Why shouldn't the job go to a woman who knows about sc2?
I get the feeling ms sporrer is only out for attention and she has no interest in starcraft or esports.
ZvG at its best
veralynn was just banned by Kennigit.
That account was created on 2012-03-02 18:38:38 and had 55 posts.
Reason: Chill and i used to PM each other whenever a new girl would join the community with a funny comment like "WEE WOO WEE WOO ATTENTION WHORE ALERT" because we knew it was inevitable that they wouldn't be able to handle the attention potential. Now and again we would find a rare exception like susie or haemoculous who could deal, but they were very rare.
As we both got busier and the community exploded, we lost track of who was who and only now and again see accounts like this. I'm glad our old adages still hold true.
On September 29 2012 04:42 CHOMPMannER wrote: great another mindless dumb blonde who knows nothing about the game trying to make sense of top pro gamers
The smell of jealousy is strong enough to be smelled across the ocean.
I disagree with him, but wanting someone who is something other than a pretty face in front of the camera is a valid concern. Why shouldn't the job go to a woman who knows about sc2?
Simply the looks. It's about viewer count in the end like it or not.
On September 29 2012 04:42 CHOMPMannER wrote: great another mindless dumb blonde who knows nothing about the game trying to make sense of top pro gamers
The smell of jealousy is strong enough to be smelled across the ocean.
I disagree with him, but wanting someone who is something other than a pretty face in front of the camera is a valid concern. Why shouldn't the job go to a woman who knows about sc2?
True enough. Although NASL sound guy(assuming it's the same person) has been awarded with several chances so i can't say why Lindsay shouldn't. If she's coming prepared to make a good job, then she is more than welcome on stage in my book.
On September 29 2012 04:42 CHOMPMannER wrote: great another mindless dumb blonde who knows nothing about the game trying to make sense of top pro gamers
The smell of jealousy is strong enough to be smelled across the ocean.
.... Are you in middle school?
"I guess people who express legitimate concerns are just mindless jealous haters."
What? Seriously? -_-
More on topic, it will definitely be interesting to see how well she is going to handle her position this time around. I also suspect that she's probably not that interested in eSports and only in it for the attention, but you never know... going to give her the benefit for the doubt for now. And even then, I don't know how much it matters why she's in it as long as she doesn't do a poor job. We'll have to wait and see.
On September 29 2012 04:42 CHOMPMannER wrote: great another mindless dumb blonde who knows nothing about the game trying to make sense of top pro gamers
The smell of jealousy is strong enough to be smelled across the ocean.
.... Are you in middle school?
"I guess people who express legitimate concerns are just mindless jealous haters."
What? Seriously? -_-
More on topic, it will definitely be interesting to see how well she is going to handle her position this time around. I also suspect that she's probably not that interested in eSports and only in it for the attention, but you never know... going to give her the benefit for the doubt for now. And even then, I don't know how much it matters why she's in it as long as she doesn't do a poor job. We'll have to wait and see.
She not mindless and dumb. She has played the game. And everyone who hasn't been a pro and tries to make sense of pros looks dumb. There's no legitimate concern there. It's nonsense so it makes sense to think some emotion is playing a role, jealousy as good a guess as any.
she showed no sign of wanting to stream or anything since she ***cameback ***...its over deal with it ,she had a chance last year she passed on it ... too bad gg next batter ... if you are looking for a blond gamer chick ,watch tara babcock ,she has the look you are searching and play wow,sc2,d3, and pretty much everything
I wonder what people would think if some random fat kid publicly messaged day9 and asked him to teach him starcraft as a chance to leverage himself into the scene and ride on the back of day9's 130k twitter followers and huge presence in the community.
Also I'm pretty sure she can make way more money being excellent with her modeling/acting stuff than by tediously collecting steam dollars playing a game that is going to be quite the challenge for a complete beginner.
It seems like she's genuinely interested in keeping her word and involving herself with a community that hasn't exactly always treated her nicely. Good for her (if she turns out to be a evil esports killer we'll just send Elly after her).
?? are we only commenting cos shes fit and thats the end of it and lets face it not many fit girls are associated with this game . . and i did say NOT many so dont go and rattle off 6 pretty grils
You guys should give it a break and find it fortunate that anyone outside the Starcraft scene takes interest. It is always good that more and more people wanna join in and learn more about this game. Put yourself into her position at that time and anyone could have made the same mistakes. Cheers!
On September 29 2012 06:35 StatixEx wrote: ?? are we only commenting cos shes fit and thats the end of it and lets face it not many fit girls are associated with this game . . and i did say NOT many so dont go and rattle off 6 pretty grils
Lol, it's not exactly rocket science. A community of video game nerds is obviously going to pay a lot of attention to stunningly beautiful women associated with the game. There aren't many women in the Starcraft scene, let alone one's like Lindsey.
On September 29 2012 05:57 mememolly wrote: I wonder what people would think if some random fat kid publicly messaged day9 and asked him to teach him starcraft as a chance to leverage himself into the scene and ride on the back of day9's 130k twitter followers and huge presence in the community.
I couldn't help but wonder as well.
In all seriousness, It's not in my power to exile her from this community, nor would I if I could. If shes gonna be a part of it, whatever that is her choice; the more the merrier. However, it does hold true that most women... or girls, go overboard for the sake of attention, and it really really does not look good.
But im not going to lump em all in one category, if you're an attention whore who doesn't try to immerse yourself in the community... so be it, I know anyone serious won't be following it.
On September 13 2012 07:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career.
Basically what was said above, exploiting the starcraft community for her fame is not something I or any sensible gamer should support.
Doing things like setting up a stream when she has never/barely played and asking Day[9] (on twitter so everyone can see) to teach her are clear signs that she has little interest in truly learning the game but is rather after money, attention & fame to further her modeling/acting "career".
I will not support a attention whore who's actions show that she cares about her fame/popularity instead of actually learning this wonderful game.
On September 13 2012 07:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career.
Basically what was said above, exploiting the starcraft community for her fame is not something I or any sensible gamer should support.
Doing things like setting up a stream when she has never/barely played and asking Day[9] (on twitter so everyone can see) to teach her are clear signs that she has little interest in truly learning the game but is rather after money, attention & fame to further her modeling/acting "career".
I will not support a attention whore who's actions show that she cares about her fame/popularity instead of actually learning this great game.
I find this stance a little hypocritical when there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game. I'm not talking about people like JP (masters league player) or Day[9] (former pro), either. So do we single her out as an "attention whore" because she's a woman or because she's pretty?
If you still feel she's worth ignoring, the simple alternative to calling attention to her and applying the label "attention whore" is to just simply ignore her.
On September 13 2012 07:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career.
Basically what was said above, exploiting the starcraft community for her fame is not something I or any sensible gamer should support.
Doing things like setting up a stream when she has never/barely played and asking Day[9] (on twitter so everyone can see) to teach her are clear signs that she has little interest in truly learning the game but is rather after money, attention & fame to further her modeling/acting "career".
I will not support a attention whore who's actions show that she cares about her fame/popularity instead of actually learning this great game.
I find this stance a little hypocritical when there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game. I'm not talking about people like JP (masters league player) or Day[9] (former pro), either. So do we single her out as an "attention whore" because she's a woman or because she's pretty?
If you still feel she's worth ignoring, the simple alternative to calling attention to her and applying the label "attention whore" is to just simply ignore her.
Hypocritical in what way? If a male StarCraft 2 player goes the same avenue as she has then I would label him an attention whore in a heartbeat, his actions would clearly reflect his intentions.
Could you please name some of these male sc2 personalities who have set up a stream with no play experience and/or asked Day[9] or another popular figure in SC2 to coach them live over a social networking site for all to see?
Perhaps your definition of hypocritical differs from mine, and what the word actually means. The reason I point out Lindsey Spore in this case is quite simply....this thread is about Lindsey Spore.
Beyond this thread I intend to ignore her, I will not watch a stream of hers ect... What I'm doing in this thread is advising my fellow gamers to do the same. Do not feed attention whores, regardless of gender. Doing so only perpetuates the image of gamers as immature boys who will do anything for girls, that's not who we are.
On September 13 2012 07:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career.
Basically what was said above, exploiting the starcraft community for her fame is not something I or any sensible gamer should support.
Doing things like setting up a stream when she has never/barely played and asking Day[9] (on twitter so everyone can see) to teach her are clear signs that she has little interest in truly learning the game but is rather after money, attention & fame to further her modeling/acting "career".
I will not support a attention whore who's actions show that she cares about her fame/popularity instead of actually learning this great game.
I find this stance a little hypocritical when there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game. I'm not talking about people like JP (masters league player) or Day[9] (former pro), either. So do we single her out as an "attention whore" because she's a woman or because she's pretty?
If you still feel she's worth ignoring, the simple alternative to calling attention to her and applying the label "attention whore" is to just simply ignore her.
like who? every personality in the game has paid their dues at some point (TB and Husky etc have all created content off their own backs and gone through lean times to get to where they are), no male person has got by just on looks, quit making shit up
as for ignoring her, sometimes bullshit needs calling out
On September 13 2012 07:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career.
Basically what was said above, exploiting the starcraft community for her fame is not something I or any sensible gamer should support.
Doing things like setting up a stream when she has never/barely played and asking Day[9] (on twitter so everyone can see) to teach her are clear signs that she has little interest in truly learning the game but is rather after money, attention & fame to further her modeling/acting "career".
I will not support a attention whore who's actions show that she cares about her fame/popularity instead of actually learning this great game.
I find this stance a little hypocritical when there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game. I'm not talking about people like JP (masters league player) or Day[9] (former pro), either. So do we single her out as an "attention whore" because she's a woman or because she's pretty?
If you still feel she's worth ignoring, the simple alternative to calling attention to her and applying the label "attention whore" is to just simply ignore her.
Hypocritical in what way? If a male StarCraft 2 player goes the same avenue as she has then I would label him an attention whore in a heartbeat, his actions would clearly reflect his intentions.
Could you please name some of these male sc2 personalities who have set up a stream with no play experience and/or asked Day[9] or another popular figure in SC2 to coach them live over a social networking site for all to see?
Perhaps your definition of hypocritical differs from mine, and what the word actually means. The reason I point out Lindsey Spore in this case is quite simply....this thread is about Lindsey Spore.
Beyond this thread I intend to ignore her, I will not watch a stream of hers ect... What I'm doing in this thread is advising my fellow gamers to do the same. Do not feed attention whores, regardless of gender. Doing so only perpetuates the image of gamers as immature boys who will do anything for girls, that's not who we are.
I think this situation seems pretty similar to when Gordon Hayward started playing starcraft and streaming
On September 13 2012 07:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career.
Basically what was said above, exploiting the starcraft community for her fame is not something I or any sensible gamer should support.
Doing things like setting up a stream when she has never/barely played and asking Day[9] (on twitter so everyone can see) to teach her are clear signs that she has little interest in truly learning the game but is rather after money, attention & fame to further her modeling/acting "career".
I will not support a attention whore who's actions show that she cares about her fame/popularity instead of actually learning this great game.
I find this stance a little hypocritical when there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game. I'm not talking about people like JP (masters league player) or Day[9] (former pro), either. So do we single her out as an "attention whore" because she's a woman or because she's pretty?
If you still feel she's worth ignoring, the simple alternative to calling attention to her and applying the label "attention whore" is to just simply ignore her.
Hypocritical in what way? If a male StarCraft 2 player goes the same avenue as she has then I would label him an attention whore in a heartbeat, his actions would clearly reflect his intentions.
Could you please name some of these male sc2 personalities who have set up a stream with no play experience and/or asked Day[9] or another popular figure in SC2 to coach them live over a social networking site for all to see?
Perhaps your definition of hypocritical differs from mine, and what the word actually means. The reason I point out Lindsey Spore in this case is quite simply....this thread is about Lindsey Spore.
Beyond this thread I intend to ignore her, I will not watch a stream of hers ect... What I'm doing in this thread is advising my fellow gamers to do the same. Do not feed attention whores, regardless of gender. Doing so only perpetuates the image of gamers as immature boys who will do anything for girls, that's not who we are.
I think this situation seems pretty similar to when Gordon Hayward started playing starcraft and streaming
I strongly disagree with that comment, Gordon Hayward is a lifelong gamer and competitive person. Despite being a pro basketball player he was also a Diamond League player in SC2. Him and someone like Lindsey Spore share virtually nothing in common.
On September 13 2012 07:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career.
Basically what was said above, exploiting the starcraft community for her fame is not something I or any sensible gamer should support.
Doing things like setting up a stream when she has never/barely played and asking Day[9] (on twitter so everyone can see) to teach her are clear signs that she has little interest in truly learning the game but is rather after money, attention & fame to further her modeling/acting "career".
I will not support a attention whore who's actions show that she cares about her fame/popularity instead of actually learning this great game.
I find this stance a little hypocritical when there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game. I'm not talking about people like JP (masters league player) or Day[9] (former pro), either. So do we single her out as an "attention whore" because she's a woman or because she's pretty?
If you still feel she's worth ignoring, the simple alternative to calling attention to her and applying the label "attention whore" is to just simply ignore her.
like who? every personality in the game has paid their dues at some point (TB and Husky etc have all created content off their own backs and gone through lean times to get to where they are), no male person has got by just on looks, quit making shit up
as for ignoring her, sometimes bullshit needs calling out
I'm uncertain how paying one's dues changes the fact that there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game, as you've highlighted.
You point out TB, so I'll talk about TB. I think he's great. I've cooperated with him on one of his many gamer-centric charity events. He's still first and foremost a gaming personality in general. He's not going to go pro anytime soon. Yet we don't (well, most of us don't) unfairly question TB's motives for involving himself in SC2 when he's no MKP. When he first picked SC2 up to add to his game coverage rotation (doesn't include Minecraft, never Minecraft) he wasn't called an attention whore.
If we did go around treating all newcomers like it seems some would like to treat Sporrer, we probably would not have Husky or TB. I would count those as losses.
On September 13 2012 07:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career.
Basically what was said above, exploiting the starcraft community for her fame is not something I or any sensible gamer should support.
Doing things like setting up a stream when she has never/barely played and asking Day[9] (on twitter so everyone can see) to teach her are clear signs that she has little interest in truly learning the game but is rather after money, attention & fame to further her modeling/acting "career".
I will not support a attention whore who's actions show that she cares about her fame/popularity instead of actually learning this great game.
I find this stance a little hypocritical when there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game. I'm not talking about people like JP (masters league player) or Day[9] (former pro), either. So do we single her out as an "attention whore" because she's a woman or because she's pretty?
If you still feel she's worth ignoring, the simple alternative to calling attention to her and applying the label "attention whore" is to just simply ignore her.
Hypocritical in what way? If a male StarCraft 2 player goes the same avenue as she has then I would label him an attention whore in a heartbeat, his actions would clearly reflect his intentions.
Could you please name some of these male sc2 personalities who have set up a stream with no play experience and/or asked Day[9] or another popular figure in SC2 to coach them live over a social networking site for all to see?
Perhaps your definition of hypocritical differs from mine, and what the word actually means. The reason I point out Lindsey Spore in this case is quite simply....this thread is about Lindsey Spore.
Beyond this thread I intend to ignore her, I will not watch a stream of hers ect... What I'm doing in this thread is advising my fellow gamers to do the same. Do not feed attention whores, regardless of gender. Doing so only perpetuates the image of gamers as immature boys who will do anything for girls, that's not who we are.
I think this situation seems pretty similar to when Gordon Hayward started playing starcraft and streaming
Except Gordon Hayward was actually Diamond or Plat I forget. And he sure as hell didn't do it for the publicity.
On September 13 2012 07:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career.
Basically what was said above, exploiting the starcraft community for her fame is not something I or any sensible gamer should support.
Doing things like setting up a stream when she has never/barely played and asking Day[9] (on twitter so everyone can see) to teach her are clear signs that she has little interest in truly learning the game but is rather after money, attention & fame to further her modeling/acting "career".
I will not support a attention whore who's actions show that she cares about her fame/popularity instead of actually learning this great game.
I find this stance a little hypocritical when there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game. I'm not talking about people like JP (masters league player) or Day[9] (former pro), either. So do we single her out as an "attention whore" because she's a woman or because she's pretty?
If you still feel she's worth ignoring, the simple alternative to calling attention to her and applying the label "attention whore" is to just simply ignore her.
like who? every personality in the game has paid their dues at some point (TB and Husky etc have all created content off their own backs and gone through lean times to get to where they are), no male person has got by just on looks, quit making shit up
as for ignoring her, sometimes bullshit needs calling out
I'm uncertain how paying one's dues changes the fact that there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game, as you've highlighted.
You point out TB, so I'll talk about TB. I think he's great. I've cooperated with him on one of his many gamer-centric charity events. He's still first and foremost a gaming personality in general. He's not going to go pro anytime soon. Yet we don't (well, most of us don't) unfairly question TB's motives for involving himself in SC2 when he's no MKP. When he first picked SC2 up to add to his game coverage rotation (doesn't include Minecraft, never Minecraft) he wasn't called an attention whore.
If we did go around treating all newcomers like it seems some would like to treat Sporrer, we probably would not have Husky or TB. I would count those as losses.
Husky and TB both put in work to be where they are, they created content and people liked it, lindsey sporrer hasn't put in any work, she did some interviews for nasl and nothing more, you can't compare TB and Husky to Sporrer that's just dumb.
On September 29 2012 23:04 DontNerfInfestors wrote: Sporrer vs Scarlet would be a supermatch
What? How? Scarlett would beat her blindfolded. With her toes. With only three starting drones and giving Lindsey a five minute head start.
Now on the other hand, I have no problem with Lindsey learning the game. I think it's fantastic that she wants to play for real, and maybe even get good at it. However, I think she should keep her head down and train for a while before she tries to steal some limelight, to show she's serious about StarCraft, rather than just wanting to make money off a low-level stream and anyone willing to help her steal viewers away from more accomplished players. Although, of course, if people are more interested in such a superficial idea rather than hard work, then I can't blame her for doing that. I just hope Lindsey is focusing on the right ideas and not just trying to get something for nothing.
If she's serious about StarCraft, then I wish her the best of luck
There's professional commentators and interviewers in other sports that jumps between sports, not because those sports are their passion but because they are good at it and people like to hire them for that reason. I haven't seen enough of Sporrer to know if she's any good at what she does, but to dismiss her just because she don't have a deep connection with the sc2 scene is pretty stupid.
On September 30 2012 00:39 nihlon wrote: There's professional commentators and interviewers in other sports that jumps between sports, not because those sports are their passion but because they are good at it and people like to hire them for that reason. I haven't seen enough of Sporrer to know if she's any good at what she does, but to dismiss her just because she don't have a deep connection with the sc2 scene is pretty stupid.
you should go watch her interviews @ the first NASL. Then you would understand.
On September 13 2012 07:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career.
Basically what was said above, exploiting the starcraft community for her fame is not something I or any sensible gamer should support.
Doing things like setting up a stream when she has never/barely played and asking Day[9] (on twitter so everyone can see) to teach her are clear signs that she has little interest in truly learning the game but is rather after money, attention & fame to further her modeling/acting "career".
I will not support a attention whore who's actions show that she cares about her fame/popularity instead of actually learning this great game.
I find this stance a little hypocritical when there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game. I'm not talking about people like JP (masters league player) or Day[9] (former pro), either. So do we single her out as an "attention whore" because she's a woman or because she's pretty?
If you still feel she's worth ignoring, the simple alternative to calling attention to her and applying the label "attention whore" is to just simply ignore her.
TB, Incontrol, Destiny, even Day9 get flak for having immense 'personalities' in the gaming scene without tangible results of the same level.
It has nothing to do with the fact she's a girl. If it was a top player like Scarlett nobody would mind.
On September 13 2012 07:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career.
Basically what was said above, exploiting the starcraft community for her fame is not something I or any sensible gamer should support.
Doing things like setting up a stream when she has never/barely played and asking Day[9] (on twitter so everyone can see) to teach her are clear signs that she has little interest in truly learning the game but is rather after money, attention & fame to further her modeling/acting "career".
I will not support a attention whore who's actions show that she cares about her fame/popularity instead of actually learning this great game.
I find this stance a little hypocritical when there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game. I'm not talking about people like JP (masters league player) or Day[9] (former pro), either. So do we single her out as an "attention whore" because she's a woman or because she's pretty?
If you still feel she's worth ignoring, the simple alternative to calling attention to her and applying the label "attention whore" is to just simply ignore her.
TB, Incontrol, Destiny, even Day9 get flak for having immense 'personalities' in the gaming scene without tangible results of the same level.
It has nothing to do with the fact she's a girl. If it was a top player like Scarlett nobody would mind.
Are you really comparing any of these people to a person who hosted one event of sc2, didn't know a crap about the game, and now "posts about her interest to start playing the game", after she failed on her actress career ? Yeh, she is of course a legit gamer.
On September 13 2012 07:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career.
Basically what was said above, exploiting the starcraft community for her fame is not something I or any sensible gamer should support.
Doing things like setting up a stream when she has never/barely played and asking Day[9] (on twitter so everyone can see) to teach her are clear signs that she has little interest in truly learning the game but is rather after money, attention & fame to further her modeling/acting "career".
I will not support a attention whore who's actions show that she cares about her fame/popularity instead of actually learning this great game.
I find this stance a little hypocritical when there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game. I'm not talking about people like JP (masters league player) or Day[9] (former pro), either. So do we single her out as an "attention whore" because she's a woman or because she's pretty?
If you still feel she's worth ignoring, the simple alternative to calling attention to her and applying the label "attention whore" is to just simply ignore her.
like who? every personality in the game has paid their dues at some point (TB and Husky etc have all created content off their own backs and gone through lean times to get to where they are), no male person has got by just on looks, quit making shit up
as for ignoring her, sometimes bullshit needs calling out
I'm uncertain how paying one's dues changes the fact that there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game, as you've highlighted.
You point out TB, so I'll talk about TB. I think he's great. I've cooperated with him on one of his many gamer-centric charity events. He's still first and foremost a gaming personality in general. He's not going to go pro anytime soon. Yet we don't (well, most of us don't) unfairly question TB's motives for involving himself in SC2 when he's no MKP. When he first picked SC2 up to add to his game coverage rotation (doesn't include Minecraft, never Minecraft) he wasn't called an attention whore.
If we did go around treating all newcomers like it seems some would like to treat Sporrer, we probably would not have Husky or TB. I would count those as losses.
Husky and TB both put in work to be where they are, they created content and people liked it, lindsey sporrer hasn't put in any work, she did some interviews for nasl and nothing more, you can't compare TB and Husky to Sporrer that's just dumb.
That's cool and all, but the point is TB and Husky didn't put in the work until they put in the work. How about we see if she puts in the work.
On September 13 2012 07:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career.
Basically what was said above, exploiting the starcraft community for her fame is not something I or any sensible gamer should support.
Doing things like setting up a stream when she has never/barely played and asking Day[9] (on twitter so everyone can see) to teach her are clear signs that she has little interest in truly learning the game but is rather after money, attention & fame to further her modeling/acting "career".
I will not support a attention whore who's actions show that she cares about her fame/popularity instead of actually learning this great game.
I find this stance a little hypocritical when there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game. I'm not talking about people like JP (masters league player) or Day[9] (former pro), either. So do we single her out as an "attention whore" because she's a woman or because she's pretty?
If you still feel she's worth ignoring, the simple alternative to calling attention to her and applying the label "attention whore" is to just simply ignore her.
like who? every personality in the game has paid their dues at some point (TB and Husky etc have all created content off their own backs and gone through lean times to get to where they are), no male person has got by just on looks, quit making shit up
as for ignoring her, sometimes bullshit needs calling out
I'm uncertain how paying one's dues changes the fact that there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game, as you've highlighted.
You point out TB, so I'll talk about TB. I think he's great. I've cooperated with him on one of his many gamer-centric charity events. He's still first and foremost a gaming personality in general. He's not going to go pro anytime soon. Yet we don't (well, most of us don't) unfairly question TB's motives for involving himself in SC2 when he's no MKP. When he first picked SC2 up to add to his game coverage rotation (doesn't include Minecraft, never Minecraft) he wasn't called an attention whore.
If we did go around treating all newcomers like it seems some would like to treat Sporrer, we probably would not have Husky or TB. I would count those as losses.
Husky and TB both put in work to be where they are, they created content and people liked it, lindsey sporrer hasn't put in any work, she did some interviews for nasl and nothing more, you can't compare TB and Husky to Sporrer that's just dumb.
That's cool and all, but the point is TB and Husky didn't put in the work until they put in the work. How about we see if she puts in the work.
Precisely. I don't see why people are getting all pissy when there's nothing to be pissy about yet. Yes, she might be an attention whore. Then again, she might not. We won't know, so why not pipe down and see what happens.
Precisely. I don't see why people are getting all pissy when there's nothing to be pissy about yet. Yes, she might be an attention whore. Then again, she might not. We won't know, so why not pipe down and see what happens.
I think what people are getting at is she is trying to use people to get recognized in this computer game. If she would have independently started playing and learning, that is one thing. Instead, she goes to a well known caster and asks for help VIA Twitter. Could she have dropped him a message through a private setting such as e-mail, etc? Absolutely. Why not? Because that wont get her fame. I think it's obvious from her actions she's an attention whore.
On September 29 2012 23:37 urashimakt wrote: You point out TB, so I'll talk about TB. I think he's great. I've cooperated with him on one of his many gamer-centric charity events. He's still first and foremost a gaming personality in general. He's not going to go pro anytime soon. Yet we don't (well, most of us don't) unfairly question TB's motives for involving himself in SC2 when he's no MKP. When he first picked SC2 up to add to his game coverage rotation (doesn't include Minecraft, never Minecraft) he wasn't called an attention whore.
If we did go around treating all newcomers like it seems some would like to treat Sporrer, we probably would not have Husky or TB. I would count those as losses.
Are you kidding me? I've been put through the ringer for the last couple of years, been publicly accused of doing SC2 for "attention" and "the money" by high profile personalities and I'm not the only one. The SC2 community is TOXIC to new personalities, Lindsey simply has the misfortune of also being female which acts as a magnification lens on everything she does.
On September 13 2012 07:47 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Weirdly this feels bad to me. I defend ladies who are players (even Diamond league) then go cast. But some interviewer chick trying to promote streaming dollars for herself from Bronze league play?
There is only one reason Lindsey went for Day9 she wanted a share of his huge viewership.
Sadly, if she even gets gold league she would probably get 3000+ viewers with a cute dress on.
This crosses the line between striving to make gaming a career and exploiting gaming to make celebrity a career.
Basically what was said above, exploiting the starcraft community for her fame is not something I or any sensible gamer should support.
Doing things like setting up a stream when she has never/barely played and asking Day[9] (on twitter so everyone can see) to teach her are clear signs that she has little interest in truly learning the game but is rather after money, attention & fame to further her modeling/acting "career".
I will not support a attention whore who's actions show that she cares about her fame/popularity instead of actually learning this great game.
I find this stance a little hypocritical when there are a handful of male StarCraft 2 personalities already out there who are self-admittedly not that great at the game. I'm not talking about people like JP (masters league player) or Day[9] (former pro), either. So do we single her out as an "attention whore" because she's a woman or because she's pretty?
If you still feel she's worth ignoring, the simple alternative to calling attention to her and applying the label "attention whore" is to just simply ignore her.
TB, Incontrol, Destiny, even Day9 get flak for having immense 'personalities' in the gaming scene without tangible results of the same level.
It has nothing to do with the fact she's a girl. If it was a top player like Scarlett nobody would mind.
Are you really comparing any of these people to a person who hosted one event of sc2, didn't know a crap about the game, and now "posts about her interest to start playing the game", after she failed on her actress career ? Yeh, she is of course a legit gamer.
I don't think you understood my point.
Anyone in the scene with popularity that exceeds achievements tends to get some hate - the wider this gulf, the more pronounced it is. It has nothing to do with gender - I gave examples of guys who get the same treatment to some degree. Obviously, someone with no credentials and history of the game trying to jump into the spotlight is going to take some flak, as this thread shows.
On September 29 2012 23:37 urashimakt wrote: You point out TB, so I'll talk about TB. I think he's great. I've cooperated with him on one of his many gamer-centric charity events. He's still first and foremost a gaming personality in general. He's not going to go pro anytime soon. Yet we don't (well, most of us don't) unfairly question TB's motives for involving himself in SC2 when he's no MKP. When he first picked SC2 up to add to his game coverage rotation (doesn't include Minecraft, never Minecraft) he wasn't called an attention whore.
If we did go around treating all newcomers like it seems some would like to treat Sporrer, we probably would not have Husky or TB. I would count those as losses.
Are you kidding me? I've been put through the ringer for the last couple of years, been publicly accused of doing SC2 for "attention" and "the money" by high profile personalities and I'm not the only one. The SC2 community is TOXIC to new personalities, Lindsey simply has the misfortune of also being female which acts as a magnification lens on everything she does.
I've always hated the hate tossed around regarding you, though I feel it's not such a problem anymore... that could ofc be due to my own ignorance. The hate that was tossed out regarding TB never felt justified to me. Is he a progamer at SC2? No definitely not, but he's a really interesting personality who genuinely cares about gaming and bringing related information to the masses.... in a top hat with an amazing broadcasting voice (PS: Please use a monocle, it would pwn)
I know next to nothing about Lindsey, other than the infamous ZvG comment, so I'll reserve my judgement. Personally I'd like to hear how she feels about gaming, and what she'd like out of it. A bit of transparency may help silence some critics (at least the sensible ones). The moves she's made feel awkward to me and very forced. I could be completely wrong and I hope I am. I hope she has a love of gaming, or at least has an angle where she is going to explore the world of gaming. Either way and I'll wish her luck and likely check out some of her stuff if it's to my liking. I just really hope she's not just looking for a job.... as there are so many other areas in life that one can go for a paycheck. (It's for this exact reason that I don't think it's just about getting famous/paid for her, but we'll see ofc).
At any rate, looking forward to some content to see which direction it takes.
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I thought if I stream my first ever attempt to play, it’d help other beginners learn too? idk…I’m just excited & happy 
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