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TheMenace
Germany244 Posts
On September 10 2012 06:59 jmbthirteen wrote: regarding player movement, it is completely standard to use undisclosed sources in professional sports. and its completely fine in esports as well. but he pointed it out | ||
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
Alright, you can be a smartass, and I'll wait for reality to make it so obvious that even you can grasp the problem with the matter. It's not like a standard of unprofessionalism and unreliability is suddenly respectable, or okay, just because it's common. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44173 Posts
On September 10 2012 06:54 Integra wrote: It's EG running its Hype machine, plain and simple. If Stephano would had gone to any other team BUT EG we wouldn't had heard squat about it until the actual announcement. Now we have a freaking thread about this. The artificial hype created by EG for this is insane. I think however they shot themselves in the foot on this one though;the entities in SC2 right now that knows how to spin and market something to the community to this degree requires skill and there are very few, prolly GSL, MLG, Dreamhack, and EG are the only ones. So that its EG is quite obvious since no other team actually has the expertise or understanding on how to create hype of this kind. I thought you were serious for a moment, but your hyperbole makes me think that you're trolling instead of just ignorant. EG's done absolutely nothing to hype this; it's all standard community-driven rumors and some secondary information. There might be some good reasons to think that EG has acquired Stephano, and I'm sure EG is liking the attention that everyone is giving them... but we're the impetus behind all of this hype, not EG. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On September 10 2012 07:17 Lumi wrote: Alright, you can be a smartass, and I'll wait for reality to make it so obvious that even you can grasp the problem with the matter. It's not like a standard of unprofessionalism and unreliability is suddenly respectable, or okay, just because it's common. thing is regarding player movement, its completely ok. because if you end up being wrong, people just ignore you. But when your sources are good and reliable, there isn't a problem. Player movement doesn't really matter. The story of "Stephano to EG" doesn't actually hurt Stephano or teams involved if the article is wrong. It will just make people question ESFI/Slasher and their sources more. It polices itself in this context. This is only regarding player movement though. | ||
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
On September 10 2012 07:23 jmbthirteen wrote: thing is regarding player movement, its completely ok. because if you end up being wrong, people just ignore you. But when your sources are good and reliable, there isn't a problem. Player movement doesn't really matter. The story of "Stephano to EG" doesn't actually hurt Stephano or teams involved if the article is wrong. It will just make people question ESFI/Slasher and their sources more. It polices itself in this context. This is only regarding player movement though. Sorry but you're advocating for inaccurate news reporting with the claim that no damage is done from that practice. I fundamentally disagree with you. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On September 10 2012 07:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I thought you were serious for a moment, but your hyperbole makes me think that you're trolling instead of just ignorant. EG's done absolutely nothing to hype this; it's all standard community-driven rumors and some secondary information. There might be some good reasons to think that EG has acquired Stephano, and I'm sure EG is liking the attention that everyone is giving them... but we're the impetus behind all of this hype, not EG. Thank you for proving my point. Like I said, EG did this incredibly well. Guess they learned from the past mistakes so that it isn't as obvious as previous attempts. EG has really stepped up their marketing game. I really wanna know who is doing their marketing. I haven't seen this kind of market strategy since Eben Pagan introduced Stealth Marketing to one of his guru mastermind classes O_o . | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On September 10 2012 07:25 Lumi wrote: Sorry but you're advocating for inaccurate news reporting with the claim that no damage is done from that practice. I fundamentally disagree with you. Ummm I am not advocating for inaccurate news reporting. Not sure how you got that out of my post. Of course you always will strive for publishing the truth. Thats why you only use sources you know and trust. But fuck man, people have made careers off of working this way. Why? Because thats how its done. Otherwise you would never hear about players signing until teams held their press conference. | ||
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
On September 10 2012 07:26 Integra wrote: Thank you for proving my point. Like I said, EG did this incredibly well. Guess they learned from the past mistakes so that it isn't as obvious as previous attempts. EG has really stepped up their marketing game. I really wanna know who is doing their marketing. I haven't seen this kind of market strategy since Eben Pagan introduced Stealth Marketing to one of his guru mastermind classes O_o . To people who think whichever team (ie 99.9999999999999% EG) got stephano isn't generating this hype, they're mistaken. I'll bet some of these undisclosed sources were tipped off on purpose, or are even from the team themselves. By purposely putting out dates, and then not reaching them, (First end of august, then september 1, then that monday, then that tuesday) the hype is just growing (though I feel like if they keep it up too long people will just get pissed off.) | ||
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TheMenace
Germany244 Posts
On September 10 2012 07:17 Lumi wrote: Alright, you can be a smartass, and I'll wait for reality to make it so obvious that even you can grasp the problem with the matter. It's not like a standard of unprofessionalism and unreliability is suddenly respectable, or okay, just because it's common. Aside from politics and business-news I personally favor the kind of journalism that uses rumours to create interesting stories or whatever you want to call it. The only important thing is that it has to be noticeable that the story relies on "undisclosed sources". E.g. the football transfer news during summer is fun as hell. Everyone knows that 90% is not true anyways but all the speculating is just fun as it is. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On September 10 2012 07:25 Lumi wrote: Sorry but you're advocating for inaccurate news reporting with the claim that no damage is done from that practice. I fundamentally disagree with you. This is a situation of "it gets worse before it gets better." Eventually, people who report false information will be weeded out and replaced by those reporters with reliable sources. Until the clean out process is complete, we have to deal with false reporting. Just know that the people reporting false information don't have the intention to do so. Especially because it hurts their credibility in the long haul. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On September 10 2012 07:34 Angelbelow wrote: This is a situation of "it gets worse before it gets better." Eventually, people who report false information will be weeded out and replaced by those reporters with reliable sources. Until the clean out process is complete, we have to deal with false reporting. Just know that the people reporting false information don't have the intention to do so. Especially because it hurts their credibility in the long haul. exactly. no one serious about their writing would publish an article like this if they didn't think it was true. Both ESFI and Slasher are trusted in the scene because of the work they have done so far. this is not joe blow from randomsite.com saying this. its GameSpot and ESFI. | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
Everyone's source is Slasher on Lo3 guys! | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
On September 10 2012 07:45 Crownlol wrote: This will really spice up the 'ol TL vs. EG rivalry. Liquid` has been looking dominant lately, but Stephano is one mean dude. Liquid was lucky enough to have Taeja go super saiyan recently and become the hottest player for a bit. I don't know if even Stephano can do anything about it if Taeja sustains his meteoric rise to the top | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On September 10 2012 07:51 aRyuujin wrote: Liquid was lucky enough to have Taeja go super saiyan recently and become the hottest player for a bit. I don't know if even Stephano can do anything about it if Taeja sustains his meteoric rise to the top Fortunately, the EG-Liquid rivalry has shifted back and forth, which was nice to see, since it is boring if only one team is winning all the time. For example, a year ago EG was clearly stronger than Liquid. Puma was playing incredibly well (just not in Korea), Huk was holding a Code S spot, and even Idra was kicking ass. One of their best showings was at MLG Orlando, where Huk got 1st, Idra got 4th, and Puma got 7th. EG was on top. Since then, Liquid has picked up Taeja, Hero has transformed from a perennial choker into an actual top level player, while Puma, Idra and Huk have all started to slump severely. Now Liquid is on top. But maybe the acquisition of Stephano can help put EG back on par with Liquid, or even overtake Liquid. | ||
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xPliCt
Germany143 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On September 10 2012 07:59 Bagration wrote: Fortunately, the EG-Liquid rivalry has shifted back and forth, which was nice to see, since it is boring if only one team is winning all the time. For example, a year ago EG was clearly stronger than Liquid. Puma was playing incredibly well (just not in Korea), Huk was holding a Code S spot, and even Idra was kicking ass. One of their best showings was at MLG Orlando, where Huk got 1st, Idra got 4th, and Puma got 7th. EG was on top. Since then, Liquid has picked up Taeja, Hero has transformed from a perennial choker into an actual top level player, while Puma, Idra and Huk have all started to slump severely. Now Liquid is on top. But maybe the acquisition of Stephano can help put EG back on par with Liquid, or even overtake Liquid. lol at HerO choking and everyone always overdoing it with the whole nerves b.s. and as far as I'm concerned EG haven't dominated shit. Let alone Liquid. I don't know why you guys constantly bring these two teams up. Then you guys shoutout but, but they're the top foreigner teams. Under what pretense? Taeja/HerO carrying the ball? Give me a break already. You guys only see what you want to see and that my green grasshopper is a problem onto itself. As for this slump business. Guys can get good draws or they can catch bad breaks. HuK has had several tough breaks where lady luck wasn't on his side and he had to go through tough competition. Won't fair so well. Oh yeah, another thing. For the vast majority of players you get what you put in. The rest is raw talent. Unfortunately very few players have this skill. If you aren't doing your time, sorry you won't be getting results. You slack off and you won't get any return. That goes for a lot of guys including the ones you spoke about. If you aren't hungry good luck trying to make it back on top of the podium. At least HotS is in full swing so it will be a while for guys to figure it out, but eventually it will tighten up again. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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Jeteroll
United States15 Posts
EG is stacked XD | ||
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baKZ`
United States10 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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