Analysis of Koreans vs non-Koreans at major events - Page 7

On September 09 2012 13:27 etherealfall wrote:
I feel when people talk about the gap closing, they are too often referring to the top foreigners vsing the moving average of koreans. The top tier koreans still stand on a pedestal. The data included in here is skewed. Inclusion of the overall foreign community isn't wrong, but it doesn't show what the top foreigner's results specifically. By the inclusion of the average of the foreign pro, and the expansion of the SC2 scene in foreign play, you're expected to see a certain drop. I don't think it's unexpected to see what's being shown in the OP; but the OP should try and include results of the top performing foreigners vsing koreans at aforementioned events.

On September 09 2012 13:36 Luepert wrote:


Truth is, there is not even 100 code a players. There are 48.

This is just utterly false, go on Korean ELO, there are less than 200 pros. And unless you count biybybit, hopetorture, haypro, carn, and artosis as the "best of the best," then not even the top 200 are.

On September 07 2012 10:52 Cascade wrote:
Two suggestions:
1) Include error bars. It is very easy and should show what are actually trends, and what are just fluctuations. You will get errors of a few percent I think, so "33.4%" is maybe a bit too ambitious way to write it, and just "33%" is probably enough.

2) To try to estimate the "well it's the best koreans vs scrub foreigners" argument above, you can plot round of 16,8,4 and finals separately. If indeed it is an important effect you will see koreans having better winrates in the earlier rounds. Beware of low statistics though, specially at the later rounds. Probably better to do this for all data, rather than quarter by quarter.

On September 09 2012 04:29 Zombo Joe wrote:
Yeah but mechanics don't make that big of a difference in SC2.

On September 09 2012 13:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I'd like to know the korean vs korean winrates

On September 09 2012 07:56 xrapture wrote:


He was like 10+ spots ahead of Supernova and Byun. That is just utter stupidity.

On September 09 2012 09:51 johnny123 wrote:


now i know your really making garbage up, i saw that blizzard cup game with mvp and stephano.. Basically mvp did a really big hellion/marine timing and won. Nukes? lawl make shit up please.

Stephano good player , cut the hate. In those days stephano was still evolving his strategys, Soon after that he started building roaches everygame everytime against T to prevent cute shit like that , his vs T right now is incredibly impressive as he has been evolving it further to take into account the mass queen strats as well. Steffy dont loose vs T right now. I'd say only a select few terrans can beat him ( taeja/marineking/ and mvp when hes on fire)

On September 09 2012 01:56 theJob wrote:
There seem to be alot of people here proclaiming that the trend of foreigners’ winratio is negatively related to time. After a quick glance I’m inclined to agree, however if we are to indulge ourselves with using a technical term like “trend” then I feel like a more thorough analysis is due.

If one were to fit an OLS regression on the material it is obvious that the trend is negative. A linear regression tells us that the relationship between the win percentage of foreigners versus Korean players is declining with roughly 1,6 % per quarter. The regression holds true on a 95% significance level and has an explanationvalue of 0,55 R^2.

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However after investigating the histogram further it should become obvious that if we want to fit the most accurately representative trend line to the data we have to step away from a linear relation between the two variables. When running a quadratic OLS regression we get much better results than the linear one. There is a statistically significant relation on a 99% significance level and the R^2 value is as high as 0,90. By looking at the scatterplot where the quadratic trendline is fitted I’d have to echo esfiworlds statement that foreigners winpercentage was declining rapidly in the beginning but that it has settled or staring to rise even.

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So if we are to use a technical term like “trend”, then the data from esfiworld shows that foreigners performance as of late is improving.

The only reason the gap isn't as huge as it was in broodwar is because SC2 is an easier game, with a lower skill cap, hard counters, and more ways to win if you are the weaker mechanical player. Also is why foreign Terrans have performed worse than their Z and P counterparts. Naniwa/Mana mechanics are very similar to MC/Parting because Protoss doesn't have a very demanding mechanical aspect. Same with Stephano/Nerchio to Korean Zergs.

Now Taeja or Bomber? No Foreign T even comes close to their mechanics and never will.

On September 09 2012 21:05 revel8 wrote:


It's quite amusing how the haters completely undermine any credibility they might have by making up stuff that never happened in a desperate attempt to support their amusing fantasy. 5 bases vs 2? Nuking the natural? Haha, are these people drunk or just pathological liars? Next he'll be claiming MVP swooped in on a unicorn to harrass Stephano's mineral line and got his drones to defect to his side!

On September 09 2012 16:28 TheDougler wrote:


First things first, he didn't get stomped at blizzard cup. He went 2-2, same record as MC, beating Hero and the master of ZvZ himself (at the time, as he had recently defeated Nestea in a ZvZ) DRG.
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On September 09 2012 21:18 ejozl wrote:
TBH isn´t the reason for Koreans doing better vs foreigners as of late, simply because fewer Koreans attend foreign tournaments and the ones that do are really at the top of the curve. There was a time where every team just sent their players because they could get easy tournament wins, which means less good korean players.