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On September 07 2012 17:29 CV-Mackh wrote: Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 16:27 CV-Mackh wrote:
Couldn't we simply go over there and burn the Kespa office with flamethrowers, then simply broadcast GSL on Korean TV ?
if you want the players get less money go ahead They can join ESF  They'll be protected, earn a decent money So I say, money is not the point, Kespa totally locked the BW scene, destroying any chance for the game to develop anywhere and also blocking huge money opportunities for the players by doing so.
Dont know if trolling or serious. But i laughed anyway. I hope ESF die off and stronger teams (ST, LGIM etc.) just join kespa.
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On September 07 2012 17:40 CV-Mackh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 17:33 jinorazi wrote:On September 07 2012 17:29 CV-Mackh wrote: On September 07 2012 16:27 CV-Mackh wrote:
Couldn't we simply go over there and burn the Kespa office with flamethrowers, then simply broadcast GSL on Korean TV ?
if you want the players get less money go ahead They can join ESF They'll be protected, earn a decent money, and won't be representing the Evil Kespa so the sponsors might even be happier. And I am not even mentioning the quality of Kespa's events on the international side, that hurts the sponsors as well. Plus as I said, I think Samsung is a good company and I have one of their product in my possession, but I hate the fact that they support Kespa, and will consider switching to another mobile phone brand because of they support to Kespa. So I say, money is not the point, Kespa totally locked the BW scene, destroying any chance for the game to develop anywhere also blocking huge money opportunity, and they are gonna try again with sc2, be sure. So let's just burn them down did kespa...murder your parents? o.O my condolences That sums it up quite a bit : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895
that's just one side of the story. From kespa's point of view, blizzard hasn't done anything to promote or maintain BW in close to a decade. The Korean esports scene was cultivated entirely on its own and is tertiary content that merely uses BW as a medium of competition. Just like how James Naismith, inventor of basketball, does not have ownership to the broadcasting rights of the NBA, WNBA, the basketball section of the Olympics, and college basketball. I'm neutral towards Kespa by the way, I just think your construal on KeSPA's involvement in the esports scene is overly simplified and one-sided.
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On September 07 2012 17:44 rebdomine wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 17:29 CV-Mackh wrote: On September 07 2012 16:27 CV-Mackh wrote:
Couldn't we simply go over there and burn the Kespa office with flamethrowers, then simply broadcast GSL on Korean TV ?
if you want the players get less money go ahead They can join ESF They'll be protected, earn a decent money, and won't be representing the Evil Kespa so the sponsors might even be happier. And I am not even mentioning the quality of Kespa's events on the international side, that hurts the sponsors as well. Plus as I said, I think Samsung is a good company and I have one of their product in my possession, but I hate the fact that they support Kespa, and will consider switching to another mobile phone brand because of that, I think I am not alone. So I say, money is not the point, Kespa totally locked the BW scene, destroying any chance for the game to develop anywhere and also blocking huge money opportunities for the players by doing so, and they are gonna try again with sc2, be sure. So let's just burn them down I don't think it's KeSPA's fault that there wasn't much of a BW scene outside of Korea...
They locked it even inside Korea, which is part of the point there : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895
The part about them paying journalists to diss Sc2 and Nada is quite interesting
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There is always bunch of online people who hate something. Just because they are koreans doenst mean it has any more value than youtube comments or reddit. Just haters hating BLIZZARD, FIFA, EA, NHL, NBA, KESPA or whatever else thats big and succesfull.
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On September 07 2012 17:46 rotinegg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 17:40 CV-Mackh wrote:On September 07 2012 17:33 jinorazi wrote:On September 07 2012 17:29 CV-Mackh wrote: On September 07 2012 16:27 CV-Mackh wrote:
Couldn't we simply go over there and burn the Kespa office with flamethrowers, then simply broadcast GSL on Korean TV ?
if you want the players get less money go ahead They can join ESF They'll be protected, earn a decent money, and won't be representing the Evil Kespa so the sponsors might even be happier. And I am not even mentioning the quality of Kespa's events on the international side, that hurts the sponsors as well. Plus as I said, I think Samsung is a good company and I have one of their product in my possession, but I hate the fact that they support Kespa, and will consider switching to another mobile phone brand because of they support to Kespa. So I say, money is not the point, Kespa totally locked the BW scene, destroying any chance for the game to develop anywhere also blocking huge money opportunity, and they are gonna try again with sc2, be sure. So let's just burn them down did kespa...murder your parents? o.O my condolences That sums it up quite a bit : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895 that's just one side of the story. From kespa's point of view, blizzard hasn't done anything to promote or maintain BW in close to a decade. The Korean esports scene was cultivated entirely on its own and is tertiary content that merely uses BW as a medium of competition. Just like how James Naismith, inventor of basketball, does not have ownership to the broadcasting rights of the NBA, WNBA, the basketball section of the Olympics, and college basketball.
yeah but that's a sport, probably developed in many years of popular games and stuff, the guy probably just wrote therules officially.
Here we are talking software engineering. Don't you have to pay to use word ? or Photoshop ? Don't you have to pay even more if you are using them to make money.
I am not clear with Korean laws on intellectual property and competition, but can't you sue a competitor if he is using illegal ways to gain an advantage over you ? Like for say, if you are a company paying for photoshop and your competitor is not, then, In France you can sue them as they are using illegal means to overcome you.
Softwares are included in that arn't they.
Plus all the other ways to lock down sc2 with fake articles, pressure on players and stuff
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Word, Photoshop and StarCraft would be like the actual ball though. After you pay for that it's free.
Starcraft as a sport was developed in many years of popular games and stuff, Blizzard just wrote the rules officially.
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RoRo will be an interesting fighting point.
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On September 07 2012 17:50 Michaels wrote:There is always bunch of online people who hate something. Just because they are koreans doenst mean it has any more value than youtube comments or reddit. Just haters hating BLIZZARD, FIFA, EA, NHL, NBA, KESPA or whatever else thats big and succesfull.
I am not hating SOMETHING just randomly for it's success,plus in comparison Gom is way more successful than Kespa when it comes to audience, production quality, etc, and as it comes to the plau, I won't enter those details as each person can judge a player on his own terms.
I am hating the very actions and spirit of Kespa, locking teams to a single event, threats on players, fake articles, use of biased contracts, global pressure on the BW( and soon sc2) scene.
Lot of elements I can't bear, not just hating for the sake of it. But once again the post sums it up. I might bump it soon with a shortened version, because he is indeed quite long.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895
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This thread is getting derailed fast.
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On September 07 2012 17:57 SnowFantasy wrote:
Word, Photoshop and StarCraft would be like the actual ball though. After you pay for that it's free.
Starcraft as a sport was developed in many years of popular games and stuff, Blizzard just wrote the rules officially.
Not at all XD They Keyboard would be the ball, or the mouse to keep on with the analogy.
Sc2 is the actual stadium, and you have to PAY to sit in and watch, and footballs federation are paying to get stadiums to keep on with their standards, plus I think TV's are paying to broadcast from a stadium.
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On September 07 2012 18:02 Dodgin wrote:
This thread is getting derailed fast.
BW vs SC2 tarts will never die
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On September 07 2012 17:54 CV-Mackh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 17:46 rotinegg wrote:On September 07 2012 17:40 CV-Mackh wrote:On September 07 2012 17:33 jinorazi wrote:On September 07 2012 17:29 CV-Mackh wrote: On September 07 2012 16:27 CV-Mackh wrote:
Couldn't we simply go over there and burn the Kespa office with flamethrowers, then simply broadcast GSL on Korean TV ?
if you want the players get less money go ahead They can join ESF They'll be protected, earn a decent money, and won't be representing the Evil Kespa so the sponsors might even be happier. And I am not even mentioning the quality of Kespa's events on the international side, that hurts the sponsors as well. Plus as I said, I think Samsung is a good company and I have one of their product in my possession, but I hate the fact that they support Kespa, and will consider switching to another mobile phone brand because of they support to Kespa. So I say, money is not the point, Kespa totally locked the BW scene, destroying any chance for the game to develop anywhere also blocking huge money opportunity, and they are gonna try again with sc2, be sure. So let's just burn them down did kespa...murder your parents? o.O my condolences That sums it up quite a bit : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895 that's just one side of the story. From kespa's point of view, blizzard hasn't done anything to promote or maintain BW in close to a decade. The Korean esports scene was cultivated entirely on its own and is tertiary content that merely uses BW as a medium of competition. Just like how James Naismith, inventor of basketball, does not have ownership to the broadcasting rights of the NBA, WNBA, the basketball section of the Olympics, and college basketball. yeah but that's a sport, probably developed in many years of popular games and stuff, the guy probably just wrote therules officially. Here we are talking software engineering. Don't you have to pay to use word ? or Photoshop ? Don't you have to pay even more if you are using them to make money. I am not clear with Korean laws on intellectual property and competition, but can't you sue a competitor if he is using illegal ways to gain an advantage over you ? Like for say, if you are a company paying for photoshop and your competitor is not, then, In France you can sue them as they are using illegal means to overcome you. Softwares are included in that arn't they. Plus all the other ways to lock down sc2 with fake articles, pressure on players and stuff
those aren't fake articles, SC2 really did do horribly in Korea after a much anticipated launch, and since KeSPA was in a lawsuit against blizzard regarding broadcasting rights to both BW and SC2, KeSPA had every right to refuse to send their players to GOM's events, who was working directly with blizzard. If you look at it from KeSPA's view, blizzard released a game called BW that happened to pick up and do well in south Korea, and while blizzard did nothing to support it for a decade, a huge competitive scene grew organically with the support of passionate players and fans. Once enough money got involved through corporate sponsorship, blizzard saw the money in it, and decided to all the sudden claim what KeSPA was doing is intellectual property infringement, and asked for royalties from an already established industry that they took no part in building. again, it's a two-sided story, it's not like KeSPA's a giant corporation making money hand over fist, they just want to keep what they believe is rightfully theirs.
edit: and stop quoting that article, you already linked it like 5 times, it's nothing but an angry Korean netizen with a completely subjective opinion piece on how much KeSPA sucks, i think we get the point.
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On September 07 2012 18:04 rotinegg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 17:54 CV-Mackh wrote:On September 07 2012 17:46 rotinegg wrote:On September 07 2012 17:40 CV-Mackh wrote:On September 07 2012 17:33 jinorazi wrote:On September 07 2012 17:29 CV-Mackh wrote: On September 07 2012 16:27 CV-Mackh wrote:
Couldn't we simply go over there and burn the Kespa office with flamethrowers, then simply broadcast GSL on Korean TV ?
if you want the players get less money go ahead They can join ESF They'll be protected, earn a decent money, and won't be representing the Evil Kespa so the sponsors might even be happier. And I am not even mentioning the quality of Kespa's events on the international side, that hurts the sponsors as well. Plus as I said, I think Samsung is a good company and I have one of their product in my possession, but I hate the fact that they support Kespa, and will consider switching to another mobile phone brand because of they support to Kespa. So I say, money is not the point, Kespa totally locked the BW scene, destroying any chance for the game to develop anywhere also blocking huge money opportunity, and they are gonna try again with sc2, be sure. So let's just burn them down did kespa...murder your parents? o.O my condolences That sums it up quite a bit : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895 that's just one side of the story. From kespa's point of view, blizzard hasn't done anything to promote or maintain BW in close to a decade. The Korean esports scene was cultivated entirely on its own and is tertiary content that merely uses BW as a medium of competition. Just like how James Naismith, inventor of basketball, does not have ownership to the broadcasting rights of the NBA, WNBA, the basketball section of the Olympics, and college basketball. yeah but that's a sport, probably developed in many years of popular games and stuff, the guy probably just wrote therules officially. Here we are talking software engineering. Don't you have to pay to use word ? or Photoshop ? Don't you have to pay even more if you are using them to make money. I am not clear with Korean laws on intellectual property and competition, but can't you sue a competitor if he is using illegal ways to gain an advantage over you ? Like for say, if you are a company paying for photoshop and your competitor is not, then, In France you can sue them as they are using illegal means to overcome you. Softwares are included in that arn't they. Plus all the other ways to lock down sc2 with fake articles, pressure on players and stuff those aren't fake articles, SC2 really did do horribly in Korea after a much anticipated launch, and since KeSPA was in a lawsuit against blizzard regarding broadcasting rights to both BW and SC2, KeSPA had every right to refuse to send their players to GOM's events, who was working directly with blizzard. If you look at it from KeSPA's view, blizzard released a game called BW that happened to pick up and do well in south Korea, and while blizzard did nothing to support it for a decade, a huge competitive scene grew organically with the support of passionate players and fans. Once enough money got involved through corporate sponsorship, blizzard saw the money in it, and decided to all the sudden claim what KeSPA was doing is intellectual property infringement, and asked for royalties from an already established industry that they took no part in building. again, it's a two-sided story, it's not like KeSPA's a giant corporation making money hand over fist, they just want to keep what they believe is rightfully theirs. edit: and stop quoting that article, you already linked it like 5 times, it's nothing but an angry Korean netizen with a completely subjective opinion piece on how much KeSPA sucks, i think we get the point.
That's the pretty story you like to tell
XD If blizzard wanted the money, why would they accept a 1 dollar check from Gom ?
I think this is the official speech, you might be working for Kespa deer, I saw the exact same argument everywhere on Kespa side sticking to the very word.
"We built a championship and Blizzard just wants money" ... yeah right, and let's assume just half a second that this was even remotely true ( which it isn't as Blizzard never took money from GOM ).
That doesn't justify the all: kill the gom thing or the pressure they put on teams and players.
They are not defending anything there, they are building a monopoly with under the belt means, and this should be known and stoped.
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On September 07 2012 18:14 CV-Mackh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 18:04 rotinegg wrote:On September 07 2012 17:54 CV-Mackh wrote:On September 07 2012 17:46 rotinegg wrote:On September 07 2012 17:40 CV-Mackh wrote:On September 07 2012 17:33 jinorazi wrote:On September 07 2012 17:29 CV-Mackh wrote: On September 07 2012 16:27 CV-Mackh wrote:
Couldn't we simply go over there and burn the Kespa office with flamethrowers, then simply broadcast GSL on Korean TV ?
if you want the players get less money go ahead They can join ESF They'll be protected, earn a decent money, and won't be representing the Evil Kespa so the sponsors might even be happier. And I am not even mentioning the quality of Kespa's events on the international side, that hurts the sponsors as well. Plus as I said, I think Samsung is a good company and I have one of their product in my possession, but I hate the fact that they support Kespa, and will consider switching to another mobile phone brand because of they support to Kespa. So I say, money is not the point, Kespa totally locked the BW scene, destroying any chance for the game to develop anywhere also blocking huge money opportunity, and they are gonna try again with sc2, be sure. So let's just burn them down did kespa...murder your parents? o.O my condolences That sums it up quite a bit : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895 that's just one side of the story. From kespa's point of view, blizzard hasn't done anything to promote or maintain BW in close to a decade. The Korean esports scene was cultivated entirely on its own and is tertiary content that merely uses BW as a medium of competition. Just like how James Naismith, inventor of basketball, does not have ownership to the broadcasting rights of the NBA, WNBA, the basketball section of the Olympics, and college basketball. yeah but that's a sport, probably developed in many years of popular games and stuff, the guy probably just wrote therules officially. Here we are talking software engineering. Don't you have to pay to use word ? or Photoshop ? Don't you have to pay even more if you are using them to make money. I am not clear with Korean laws on intellectual property and competition, but can't you sue a competitor if he is using illegal ways to gain an advantage over you ? Like for say, if you are a company paying for photoshop and your competitor is not, then, In France you can sue them as they are using illegal means to overcome you. Softwares are included in that arn't they. Plus all the other ways to lock down sc2 with fake articles, pressure on players and stuff those aren't fake articles, SC2 really did do horribly in Korea after a much anticipated launch, and since KeSPA was in a lawsuit against blizzard regarding broadcasting rights to both BW and SC2, KeSPA had every right to refuse to send their players to GOM's events, who was working directly with blizzard. If you look at it from KeSPA's view, blizzard released a game called BW that happened to pick up and do well in south Korea, and while blizzard did nothing to support it for a decade, a huge competitive scene grew organically with the support of passionate players and fans. Once enough money got involved through corporate sponsorship, blizzard saw the money in it, and decided to all the sudden claim what KeSPA was doing is intellectual property infringement, and asked for royalties from an already established industry that they took no part in building. again, it's a two-sided story, it's not like KeSPA's a giant corporation making money hand over fist, they just want to keep what they believe is rightfully theirs. edit: and stop quoting that article, you already linked it like 5 times, it's nothing but an angry Korean netizen with a completely subjective opinion piece on how much KeSPA sucks, i think we get the point. That's the pretty story you like to tell XD If blizzard wanted the money, why would they accept a 1 dollar check from Gom ? I think this is the official speech, you might be working for Kespa deer, I saw the exact same argument everywhere on Kespa side sticking to the very word. "We built a championship and Blizzard just wants money" ... yeah right, and let's assume just half a second that this was even remotely true ( which it isn't as Blizzard never took money from GOM ). That doesn't justify the all: kill the gom thing or the pressure they put on teams and players. They are not defending anything there, they are building a monopoly with under the belt means, and this should be known and stoped.
Man....my head hurts...to reply with more information to broaden your perspective or ignore and sleep....the latter i guess, dont think youll care for anything other than negativity towards kespa.
Just to add...did u really say bllizzard doesnt care about money for esports using gom as example?....lol
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Im gonna stop derailing this thread, seeing as how you're crafting lulzy theories about me working for KeSPA.
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On September 07 2012 00:00 Djagulingu wrote:RorO's salary is very likely to get doubled. He has been very successful in SC2, which PL is completely switching into. There are at most 2-3 other players that are in his caliber (Sun, Flying and maybe herO[jOin]?) That's it though.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=622&part=games&league=standard
Am I missing something?
Edit: Oh I see now, he has some WCS results excluded. I guess that explains it a little bit... Still not impressed with him personally.
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On September 07 2012 18:01 CV-Mackh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 17:50 Michaels wrote:There is always bunch of online people who hate something. Just because they are koreans doenst mean it has any more value than youtube comments or reddit. Just haters hating BLIZZARD, FIFA, EA, NHL, NBA, KESPA or whatever else thats big and succesfull. I am not hating SOMETHING just randomly for it's success,plus in comparison Gom is way more successful than Kespa when it comes to audience, production quality, etc, and as it comes to the plau, I won't enter those details as each person can judge a player on his own terms. I am hating the very actions and spirit of Kespa, locking teams to a single event, threats on players, fake articles, use of biased contracts, global pressure on the BW( and soon sc2) scene. Lot of elements I can't bear, not just hating for the sake of it. But once again the post sums it up. I might bump it soon with a shortened version, because he is indeed quite long. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895
dude, you are clueless.
i hope Roro goes to T8, Jaedong would need that support since they have no other decent zerg. But ofc he is going to SKT or KT like all players that show some potential... $$$
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On September 07 2012 17:54 CV-Mackh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 17:46 rotinegg wrote:On September 07 2012 17:40 CV-Mackh wrote:On September 07 2012 17:33 jinorazi wrote:On September 07 2012 17:29 CV-Mackh wrote: On September 07 2012 16:27 CV-Mackh wrote:
Couldn't we simply go over there and burn the Kespa office with flamethrowers, then simply broadcast GSL on Korean TV ?
if you want the players get less money go ahead They can join ESF They'll be protected, earn a decent money, and won't be representing the Evil Kespa so the sponsors might even be happier. And I am not even mentioning the quality of Kespa's events on the international side, that hurts the sponsors as well. Plus as I said, I think Samsung is a good company and I have one of their product in my possession, but I hate the fact that they support Kespa, and will consider switching to another mobile phone brand because of they support to Kespa. So I say, money is not the point, Kespa totally locked the BW scene, destroying any chance for the game to develop anywhere also blocking huge money opportunity, and they are gonna try again with sc2, be sure. So let's just burn them down did kespa...murder your parents? o.O my condolences That sums it up quite a bit : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895 that's just one side of the story. From kespa's point of view, blizzard hasn't done anything to promote or maintain BW in close to a decade. The Korean esports scene was cultivated entirely on its own and is tertiary content that merely uses BW as a medium of competition. Just like how James Naismith, inventor of basketball, does not have ownership to the broadcasting rights of the NBA, WNBA, the basketball section of the Olympics, and college basketball. yeah but that's a sport, probably developed in many years of popular games and stuff, the guy probably just wrote therules officially. Here we are talking software engineering. Don't you have to pay to use word ? or Photoshop ? Don't you have to pay even more if you are using them to make money. I am not clear with Korean laws on intellectual property and competition, but can't you sue a competitor if he is using illegal ways to gain an advantage over you ? Like for say, if you are a company paying for photoshop and your competitor is not, then, In France you can sue them as they are using illegal means to overcome you. Softwares are included in that arn't they. Plus all the other ways to lock down sc2 with fake articles, pressure on players and stuff
Wow, you really are clueless. If I write a book using MS Word, I will not have to pay royalties to Microsoft from the sales the book makes. If I use Photoshop to create textures for a new game, I will not have to pay Adobe royalties from the sales the game makes.
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On September 07 2012 18:21 rotinegg wrote:
Im gonna stop derailing this thread, seeing as how you're crafting lulzy theories about me working for KeSPA.
Sorry my english betrayed me, I meant : You sound just like the people working there.
But yeah I'll take the surrender happily, as I see you are all lacking arguments
So time to enjoy GSTL 
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