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As emotionally invested as people are on this topic, TL rules still apply. That includes flaming and ad hominem attacks.
zidaneshead
Profile Joined November 2010
245 Posts
August 30 2012 02:12 GMT
#1321
On August 30 2012 11:09 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 11:07 Khang wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:07 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:04 Enzymatic wrote:
I'll put it this way...

The second you join a team and become a sponsored player, you are thereby giving up your right to act "how you please". The second you make that choice to be a sponsored player and become part of an organization, you are then representing your team, and your sponsors. You are then making a choice and commitment to act and present yourself NOT how you want, but in the way that is in the best interest of your team and sponsors

So if you don't want to have to give up how you are, or how you want to act, then don't fucking join a sponsored team. Destiny doesn't seem to understand this phenomenon.

Simple.

lol, did you ever listen to idra?


Idra seems to know the line..

He can keep his persona without pissing off his sponsors.

oh yeah, you think he doesn't talk shit behind people's back in private?


As funny as this thread is, you're probably gonna regret posting stuff like this in the future.
nikoYO
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany131 Posts
August 30 2012 02:12 GMT
#1322
On August 30 2012 11:10 Flamingo777 wrote:
Woww... Just read the Reddit stuff... I completely understand now why Root had to drop Destiny.


yes and more people should read it! they got all the dirt on him in one nice thread LOL

http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/ytijd/effortpost_starcraft_2_player_steve_bonnell_aka/

oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6448 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 02:16:24
August 30 2012 02:13 GMT
#1323
On August 30 2012 11:09 Dundron2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 11:05 oBlade wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:01 Dundron2000 wrote:
On August 30 2012 10:57 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 10:53 Khang wrote:
On August 30 2012 10:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
I really don't even understand how any of this can be related to starcraft


This is why this scene has to get over this giant hump with the lack of professionalism with the players.

Chad Johnson headbutting his girlfriend has nothing to do with Football, but it got him kicked off the Dolphins didn't it?

You're associated with companies who intend on making money off a brand you wear on your shoulders. You're professionals at that point and your SPONSORS typically expect you to conduct yourself as such.

If the rest of the pro community is as short sighted as you're being, I really fear for the future of eSports.

since when do you have to be professional at all time, isn't there some time for casual?


that depends on what you mean "for casual". try appyling a simple thought experiment to the things you do in your free time like 'if this became public would i be fired from my team?' if yes, don't do it.

So a good reason not to do something is because there's a remote chance someone will vengefully recruit some people from the internet who have nothing to do with your job to lambast you to your sponsors? With no consideration for the possibility that those people might be dead wrong?


i don't think that what you just said had very much to do with what i did. but no, there are also moral reasons not to do something

The reason is you're just black boxing the mechanism of "this will get me fired." It's not the case that bad things always get people fired, or that people who don't do bad things don't get fired. There are ethical bases for an expectation of privacy. What's the reason I should care at all what other people do in private?
On August 30 2012 11:12 nikoYO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 11:10 Flamingo777 wrote:
Woww... Just read the Reddit stuff... I completely understand now why Root had to drop Destiny.


yes and more people should read it! they got all the dirt on him in one nice thread LOL

http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/ytijd/effortpost_starcraft_2_player_steve_bonnell_aka/


I lost it at "getting fired from Team Liquid." Whoever wrote into sponsors must have had dubious motivations and a tenuous connection to the community, as they apparently don't know anything about Starcraft
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
DMSev
Profile Joined April 2011
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 02:14:16
August 30 2012 02:13 GMT
#1324
On August 30 2012 11:11 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 11:08 Enzymatic wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:07 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:04 Enzymatic wrote:
I'll put it this way...

The second you join a team and become a sponsored player, you are thereby giving up your right to act "how you please". The second you make that choice to be a sponsored player and become part of an organization, you are then representing your team, and your sponsors. You are then making a choice and commitment to act and present yourself NOT how you want, but in the way that is in the best interest of your team and sponsors

So if you don't want to have to give up how you are, or how you want to act, then don't fucking join a sponsored team. Destiny doesn't seem to understand this phenomenon.

Simple.

lol, did you ever listen to idra?


haha, I was actually just waiting for someone to bring him up in response to my post :p

IdrA is what you call "very good at sitting on the borderline" and not taking things too far.

every pro out there probably takes things too far in private.... geez what the fuck


the only difference is that the other pros don't have people inside their accounts, stalking their shit, watching their chatlogs. which i think is quite frankly the only explanation for her having seen that log if you or TT1 didn't leak.
valium
Profile Joined June 2012
United States251 Posts
August 30 2012 02:14 GMT
#1325
On August 30 2012 11:12 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 11:10 valium wrote:
Idra doesnt even come close to any line of any sort. He doesnt GG, o god no - how terrible. Rude on the ladder, how does he live with himself. Is blunt with his opinion, god what a terrible person.

I'm really just the same, "blunt" and you see people calling us 3 all terrible persons for having this conversation...

No, I called destiny a terrible person. Right now though, I am calling you illiterate.
It is not easy being this awesome and modest
Khang
Profile Joined August 2012
United States24 Posts
August 30 2012 02:14 GMT
#1326
I would just take it for what it is. Its an obvious business decision.

Idra is a dick, he got some shit for being an ass to avilo. Nothing like this. But, still, he isn't without critics. People despise EG as a whole..
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
August 30 2012 02:14 GMT
#1327
On August 30 2012 11:11 CursOr wrote:
I knew he would blow it. But this is faster than I expected. Damn.

He makes Juan and Idra look like pillars of the community. Keep streaming Steven, please be more careful an grow up just a tad.

Nobody's leaked private chats of them. I'm sure if we had limitless access to private pro conversations, a lot of players would be vilified.
LuisFrost
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico130 Posts
August 30 2012 02:14 GMT
#1328
Hell hath no fury...
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
August 30 2012 02:15 GMT
#1329
On August 30 2012 11:12 zidaneshead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 11:09 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:07 Khang wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:07 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:04 Enzymatic wrote:
I'll put it this way...

The second you join a team and become a sponsored player, you are thereby giving up your right to act "how you please". The second you make that choice to be a sponsored player and become part of an organization, you are then representing your team, and your sponsors. You are then making a choice and commitment to act and present yourself NOT how you want, but in the way that is in the best interest of your team and sponsors

So if you don't want to have to give up how you are, or how you want to act, then don't fucking join a sponsored team. Destiny doesn't seem to understand this phenomenon.

Simple.

lol, did you ever listen to idra?


Idra seems to know the line..

He can keep his persona without pissing off his sponsors.

oh yeah, you think he doesn't talk shit behind people's back in private?


As funny as this thread is, you're probably gonna regret posting stuff like this in the future.

lol seriously how naive can people be, you see idra talk shit about other players all the time in front of the cam, you think he doesn't say those things behind their backs either? wtf lol

everybody is going to say negative things about someone else at some point in his life, the fact the there was a creepy stalker girl logged in to read it and leak it for revenge doesn't make it worse
SpaceFighting
Profile Joined January 2010
New Zealand690 Posts
August 30 2012 02:15 GMT
#1330
On August 30 2012 11:12 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 11:10 valium wrote:
Idra doesnt even come close to any line of any sort. He doesnt GG, o god no - how terrible. Rude on the ladder, how does he live with himself. Is blunt with his opinion, god what a terrible person.

I'm really just the same, "blunt" and you see people calling us 3 all terrible persons for having this conversation...


lets be honest here, ive had multiple conversations like this with my friends over skype/msn/irc w/e u want... i dont see this as that bad, i dont see why people are jumping to conclusions about u three.

anyways sad for ROOT and i hope they go for, totally understandable situation though, this could severely hinder their future sponsors to pick ROOT up.

ROOT/DESTINY HWAITING! <3
kuz pro
iamcup
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland58 Posts
August 30 2012 02:15 GMT
#1331
Never in a million years would have I tought this could be the reason destiny was kicked out of the team root as i saw the title. Yet I am not suprised, these people most have some serious mental issues. I feel sad for these poor kids.
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
August 30 2012 02:15 GMT
#1332
On August 30 2012 11:11 MysteryTerran wrote:
This needed to happen before ROOT could really be considered a professional team. Any team that would support a low life like Destiny obviously has no place in E-Sports. If Aaron Rodgers acted like Destiny do you think he would still be playing in the NFL? I don't think so.

This whole incident really shows his own level of insecurity.. Going behind a friend's back and doing some shit like he did is just disgusting.. The girl trusted him with the pictures, but he went and gave them out to friends... The worst part of all of this is obviously him sending her a picture of his dong. I honestly thought that weird lonely guys on chat roulette did that sorta stuff, and not someone who's suppose to be a "Professional" gamer. It's quite unfortunate that someone with so much talent and intelligence could be such a horrible person.. But his actions still don't surprise me lol

Good move ROOT

Wait, so what you're saying is that it's alright for a female to send nudes to a guy, but not the other way around? And if you do send pictures of your dong to a girl, especially after she had sent nudes to you, you're weird and lonely? God damn mang, you just went full derp.
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
August 30 2012 02:16 GMT
#1333
On August 30 2012 11:14 valium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 11:12 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:10 valium wrote:
Idra doesnt even come close to any line of any sort. He doesnt GG, o god no - how terrible. Rude on the ladder, how does he live with himself. Is blunt with his opinion, god what a terrible person.

I'm really just the same, "blunt" and you see people calling us 3 all terrible persons for having this conversation...

No, I called destiny a terrible person. Right now though, I am calling you illiterate.

back at you
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27303 Posts
August 30 2012 02:16 GMT
#1334
On August 30 2012 11:11 iky43210 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 11:04 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:02 iky43210 wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:00 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 30 2012 10:56 iky43210 wrote:
On August 30 2012 10:55 Phobbers wrote:
On August 30 2012 10:53 Khang wrote:
On August 30 2012 10:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
I really don't even understand how any of this can be related to starcraft


This is why this scene has to get over this giant hump with the lack of professionalism with the players.

Chad Johnson headbutting his girlfriend has nothing to do with Football, but it got him kicked off the Dolphins didn't it?

You're associated with companies who intend on making money off a brand you wear on your shoulders. You're professionals at that point and your SPONSORS typically expect you to conduct yourself as such.

If the rest of the pro community is as short sighted as you're being, I really fear for the future of eSports.

Did you really just compare domestic assault to this? I'm trying to wrap my mind around that. Apples and oranges I'd say.

Didn't Tigerwood get suspended and penalized for cheating on his wife or something? Probably a better comparison

Not really. Tiger Woods based his image around being a good kind of whole, family guy. Destiny has no such deception at the heart of his appeal. He is who is he is and is pretty unashamed about it.

Sponsors in the case of Mr Woods withdrew because of the discrepancy between Wood's public face and his private behaviour. At least that's how I read it.

I don't see how it is any relevant how destiny based his images. The sponsors that are behind Destiny's payroll are most likely all professionals that expects same things just the sponsors for tigerhood expected him to be.
.
Sponsors KNEW (or should have) what Destiny was like when they took him on board. Indeed the post from one of the sponsors acknowledged that his stream persona was desirable to them.

Again, fuck E-sports growing to a large size if the people within it are expected to act like saints to achieve that.

And yet sponsors bailed when drama happened. They wanted destiny's personality and his charisma, but they don't want anything from his drama.

Anyway, I don't see the point of what exactly the sponsors want is any relevant to this issues. The point is that you can get fired for participating or doing things that has no correlation with the job you have at hand. Conduct yourself as such so you don't get under scrutiny in these problems

Or maybe employers should gain more of a sense of perspective about things. I've heard of people who get fired for what's on their social networking page or whatever. I dislike this growing erosion of the divide between private conduct and public conduct I suppose. In this case I don't think Destiny was wise, but equally his behaviour is that terrible. Again though, he's pretty much earning money from streaming so it's not equivalent to getting fired I suppose.

A good comparison is actually Anthony Wiener. Of course he was a member of the House of Representatives, so when his penis pic got leaked he was going to have to resign. However as I saw him he was a pretty open and relatively courageous legislator, or at least actually vouched for his district.

It's just sad that we live in a world where getting your penis out is a much more egregious offense than rank incompetence or any other number of things you want to name.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
August 30 2012 02:17 GMT
#1335
On August 30 2012 11:13 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 11:09 Dundron2000 wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:05 oBlade wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:01 Dundron2000 wrote:
On August 30 2012 10:57 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 10:53 Khang wrote:
On August 30 2012 10:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
I really don't even understand how any of this can be related to starcraft


This is why this scene has to get over this giant hump with the lack of professionalism with the players.

Chad Johnson headbutting his girlfriend has nothing to do with Football, but it got him kicked off the Dolphins didn't it?

You're associated with companies who intend on making money off a brand you wear on your shoulders. You're professionals at that point and your SPONSORS typically expect you to conduct yourself as such.

If the rest of the pro community is as short sighted as you're being, I really fear for the future of eSports.

since when do you have to be professional at all time, isn't there some time for casual?


that depends on what you mean "for casual". try appyling a simple thought experiment to the things you do in your free time like 'if this became public would i be fired from my team?' if yes, don't do it.

So a good reason not to do something is because there's a remote chance someone will vengefully recruit some people from the internet who have nothing to do with your job to lambast you to your sponsors? With no consideration for the possibility that those people might be dead wrong?


i don't think that what you just said had very much to do with what i did. but no, there are also moral reasons not to do something

The reason is you're just black boxing the mechanism of "this will get me fired." It's not the case that bad things always get people fired, or that people who don't do bad things don't get fired. There are ethical bases for an expectation of privacy. What's the reason I should care at all what other people do in private?



the expectation of privacy is a mistake and nothing that should be assumed. thats not my opinion thats how things are. he's a public figure on a team whose revenue is dependent on sponsorships therefore what he does in private could have consequences for him. all the while you may not care but other people may

n.Die_Jaedong
zidaneshead
Profile Joined November 2010
245 Posts
August 30 2012 02:17 GMT
#1336
On August 30 2012 11:15 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 11:12 zidaneshead wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:09 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:07 Khang wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:07 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:04 Enzymatic wrote:
I'll put it this way...

The second you join a team and become a sponsored player, you are thereby giving up your right to act "how you please". The second you make that choice to be a sponsored player and become part of an organization, you are then representing your team, and your sponsors. You are then making a choice and commitment to act and present yourself NOT how you want, but in the way that is in the best interest of your team and sponsors

So if you don't want to have to give up how you are, or how you want to act, then don't fucking join a sponsored team. Destiny doesn't seem to understand this phenomenon.

Simple.

lol, did you ever listen to idra?


Idra seems to know the line..

He can keep his persona without pissing off his sponsors.

oh yeah, you think he doesn't talk shit behind people's back in private?


As funny as this thread is, you're probably gonna regret posting stuff like this in the future.

lol seriously how naive can people be, you see idra talk shit about other players all the time in front of the cam, you think he doesn't say those things behind their backs either? wtf lol

everybody is going to say negative things about someone else at some point in his life, the fact the there was a creepy stalker girl logged in to read it and leak it for revenge doesn't make it worse


I'm just saying from one guy to another it's never a good idea to name drop specific people in cases like this.
Ryder.
Profile Joined January 2011
1117 Posts
August 30 2012 02:17 GMT
#1337
On August 30 2012 11:15 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 11:12 zidaneshead wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:09 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:07 Khang wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:07 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:04 Enzymatic wrote:
I'll put it this way...

The second you join a team and become a sponsored player, you are thereby giving up your right to act "how you please". The second you make that choice to be a sponsored player and become part of an organization, you are then representing your team, and your sponsors. You are then making a choice and commitment to act and present yourself NOT how you want, but in the way that is in the best interest of your team and sponsors

So if you don't want to have to give up how you are, or how you want to act, then don't fucking join a sponsored team. Destiny doesn't seem to understand this phenomenon.

Simple.

lol, did you ever listen to idra?


Idra seems to know the line..

He can keep his persona without pissing off his sponsors.

oh yeah, you think he doesn't talk shit behind people's back in private?


As funny as this thread is, you're probably gonna regret posting stuff like this in the future.

lol seriously how naive can people be, you see idra talk shit about other players all the time in front of the cam, you think he doesn't say those things behind their backs either? wtf lol

everybody is going to say negative things about someone else at some point in his life, the fact the there was a creepy stalker girl logged in to read it and leak it for revenge doesn't make it worse

It is less about talking shit, and more about spreading nude photos of a girl without her consent.
Honestly you are just making things worse for Destiny, you really should stop arguing.
valium
Profile Joined June 2012
United States251 Posts
August 30 2012 02:18 GMT
#1338
On August 30 2012 11:16 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 11:14 valium wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:12 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:10 valium wrote:
Idra doesnt even come close to any line of any sort. He doesnt GG, o god no - how terrible. Rude on the ladder, how does he live with himself. Is blunt with his opinion, god what a terrible person.

I'm really just the same, "blunt" and you see people calling us 3 all terrible persons for having this conversation...

No, I called destiny a terrible person. Right now though, I am calling you illiterate.

back at you

Nice play for cleverness, you singled me out. therefore, accusing me of such.
It is not easy being this awesome and modest
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
August 30 2012 02:18 GMT
#1339
On August 30 2012 11:18 valium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 11:16 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:14 valium wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:12 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:10 valium wrote:
Idra doesnt even come close to any line of any sort. He doesnt GG, o god no - how terrible. Rude on the ladder, how does he live with himself. Is blunt with his opinion, god what a terrible person.

I'm really just the same, "blunt" and you see people calling us 3 all terrible persons for having this conversation...

No, I called destiny a terrible person. Right now though, I am calling you illiterate.

back at you

Nice play for cleverness, you singled me out. therefore, accusing me of such.

of course you didn't understand what I just said therefore illiterate, I win 1-0

your turn
TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 02:21:11
August 30 2012 02:19 GMT
#1340
On August 30 2012 11:11 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 11:08 Enzymatic wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:07 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 11:04 Enzymatic wrote:
I'll put it this way...

The second you join a team and become a sponsored player, you are thereby giving up your right to act "how you please". The second you make that choice to be a sponsored player and become part of an organization, you are then representing your team, and your sponsors. You are then making a choice and commitment to act and present yourself NOT how you want, but in the way that is in the best interest of your team and sponsors

So if you don't want to have to give up how you are, or how you want to act, then don't fucking join a sponsored team. Destiny doesn't seem to understand this phenomenon.

Simple.

lol, did you ever listen to idra?


haha, I was actually just waiting for someone to bring him up in response to my post :p

IdrA is what you call "very good at sitting on the borderline" and not taking things too far.

every pro out there probably takes things too far in private.... geez what the fuck


you know, it's entirely possible that some players actually embody the word "professional". it's kind of awkward that you're even hinting at some sort of equivalency between most pro players and destiny's never-ending derpy antics, though I assume it's being done in good faith and friendship.

anyway, I'm a little lost as to how the loss of destiny impacts either him or ROOT. people can use this incident to snipe from the sidelines of the email sponsors/don't email argument, but he hasn't been relevant anywhere but his self-contained streaming revenue world in a very long time. ROOT doesn't need him and his absurd personal drama, destiny doesn't need ROOT, what's the problem besides that destiny can't stop sabotaging himself and that some people are sad because even destiny's friends have to professionally disassociate themselves with his BS?
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