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On August 30 2012 10:58 Wolfshy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:52 valium wrote:On August 30 2012 10:50 OmiDeLta wrote:On August 30 2012 10:42 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 10:41 OmiDeLta wrote:On August 30 2012 10:41 Fireflies wrote:On August 30 2012 10:38 Dante_A_ wrote:I can't believe Destiny would threaten to go to her boss or dean and try to get this girl harmed that way. That is ridiculous, and it makes it impossible for me to think much of Destiny (especially when he was the one that started this chain of events). He makes that comment in the reddit thread
Thanks for the new work location, I wonder what your boss will think of this. Or your dean, for that matter. I wonder if it'd affect your scholarship or financial aid?
Are you saying she shouldn't be held responsible for her actions? Why, because she's a woman? This. held accountable for what? Destinys actions of sharing private photos of her? Held accountable for publicly humiliating him, compromising his accounts, and trying to sabotage him! AND THEN BRAGGING ABOUT IT. That is way, way worse than some dickish behavior behind closed doors. A small pile of shit and a giant pile a shit are both a pile of shit. And stink. Do you know how things work in practice in comparison to principle? for following your logic and your bad analogy, a person who steals bubble gum and a person who steals a car should be treated the same way, for hey, in principle they both stole something which is bad.. but you and I both know that there is a huge difference in practice, just look at the laws, practice is key, not principle.
He likes sharia law...
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Too many people in this thread are focused and tunnel-visioned on how the girl in this is a "bad person" and solely responsible for fucking everything up.
That couldn't be more far from the truth, however. If Destiny was acting like a civilized grown-up, none of this would have ever happened. His behavior is what ultimately started the domino effect that led to him getting the boot. Not hers.
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On August 30 2012 10:54 Renfield wrote:
Can someone post a link to the chatlog that everyone is talking about please?
If you just read thru the thread you will find it everywhere. Like just give it some time if you want to know the truth.
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On August 30 2012 10:57 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:53 Khang wrote:On August 30 2012 10:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
I really don't even understand how any of this can be related to starcraft This is why this scene has to get over this giant hump with the lack of professionalism with the players. Chad Johnson headbutting his girlfriend has nothing to do with Football, but it got him kicked off the Dolphins didn't it? You're associated with companies who intend on making money off a brand you wear on your shoulders. You're professionals at that point and your SPONSORS typically expect you to conduct yourself as such. If the rest of the pro community is as short sighted as you're being, I really fear for the future of eSports. since when do you have to be professional at all time, isn't there some time for casual?
that depends on what you mean "for casual". try appyling a simple thought experiment to the things you do in your free time like 'if this became public would i be fired from my team?' if yes, don't do it.
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On August 30 2012 10:56 OmiDeLta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:54 valium wrote:On August 30 2012 10:53 OmiDeLta wrote:On August 30 2012 10:52 valium wrote:On August 30 2012 10:50 OmiDeLta wrote:On August 30 2012 10:42 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 10:41 OmiDeLta wrote:On August 30 2012 10:41 Fireflies wrote:On August 30 2012 10:38 Dante_A_ wrote:I can't believe Destiny would threaten to go to her boss or dean and try to get this girl harmed that way. That is ridiculous, and it makes it impossible for me to think much of Destiny (especially when he was the one that started this chain of events). He makes that comment in the reddit thread
Thanks for the new work location, I wonder what your boss will think of this. Or your dean, for that matter. I wonder if it'd affect your scholarship or financial aid?
Are you saying she shouldn't be held responsible for her actions? Why, because she's a woman? This. held accountable for what? Destinys actions of sharing private photos of her? Held accountable for publicly humiliating him, compromising his accounts, and trying to sabotage him! AND THEN BRAGGING ABOUT IT. That is way, way worse than some dickish behavior behind closed doors. A small pile of shit and a giant pile a shit are both a pile of shit. And stink. Would you rather have the small pile or the big pile sitting in your room? I would rather have neither. Of course, everyone would rather have neither, but in some cases (such as this), one has to choose and I'm pretty sure anyone with a semi-functional thought process would say the small pile.
Nope, both can be avoided, and should have. Both were in the wrong, way in the wrong, extremely wrong, fighting fire with fire wrong. Destiny is not less wrong just because her reaction was more wrong.
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On August 30 2012 11:00 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:56 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 10:55 Phobbers wrote:On August 30 2012 10:53 Khang wrote:On August 30 2012 10:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
I really don't even understand how any of this can be related to starcraft This is why this scene has to get over this giant hump with the lack of professionalism with the players. Chad Johnson headbutting his girlfriend has nothing to do with Football, but it got him kicked off the Dolphins didn't it? You're associated with companies who intend on making money off a brand you wear on your shoulders. You're professionals at that point and your SPONSORS typically expect you to conduct yourself as such. If the rest of the pro community is as short sighted as you're being, I really fear for the future of eSports. Did you really just compare domestic assault to this? I'm trying to wrap my mind around that. Apples and oranges I'd say. Didn't Tigerwood get suspended and penalized for cheating on his wife or something? Probably a better comparison Not really. Tiger Woods based his image around being a good kind of whole, family guy. Destiny has no such deception at the heart of his appeal. He is who is he is and is pretty unashamed about it. Sponsors in the case of Mr Woods withdrew because of the discrepancy between Wood's public face and his private behaviour. At least that's how I read it.
I don't see how it is any relevant how destiny based his images. The sponsors that are behind Destiny's payroll are most likely all professionals that expects similar things just like the sponsors for tiger woods.
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United States15275 Posts
On August 30 2012 10:59 Ikris wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:49 Knight79 wrote:
-there is a very good tool to evaluate someones character and loyalty: compare what he is saying in private to what he is saying in public.
-if you are a douchebag, then you have douchebag friends.
-a gentlemen does not boast about his conquests, especially not on the internet.
-only degenerated people show their **** to a webcam. You don't...you don't actually believe this do you? Your post reads exactly like someone who has never stepped foot out into the real world, and that sex is only permissable if you're married to another person of the opposite sex.
You do realize you didn't contradict him right? While his conclusions about behavior are extreme, his principle is sound. Private behavior ostensibly has no consequence in the public sphere (not true but it is assumed for most people) so people show their true nature through private actions.
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On August 30 2012 11:00 ReaperCo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:58 Wolfshy wrote:On August 30 2012 10:52 valium wrote:On August 30 2012 10:50 OmiDeLta wrote:On August 30 2012 10:42 Dundron2000 wrote:On August 30 2012 10:41 OmiDeLta wrote:On August 30 2012 10:41 Fireflies wrote:On August 30 2012 10:38 Dante_A_ wrote:I can't believe Destiny would threaten to go to her boss or dean and try to get this girl harmed that way. That is ridiculous, and it makes it impossible for me to think much of Destiny (especially when he was the one that started this chain of events). He makes that comment in the reddit thread
Thanks for the new work location, I wonder what your boss will think of this. Or your dean, for that matter. I wonder if it'd affect your scholarship or financial aid?
Are you saying she shouldn't be held responsible for her actions? Why, because she's a woman? This. held accountable for what? Destinys actions of sharing private photos of her? Held accountable for publicly humiliating him, compromising his accounts, and trying to sabotage him! AND THEN BRAGGING ABOUT IT. That is way, way worse than some dickish behavior behind closed doors. A small pile of shit and a giant pile a shit are both a pile of shit. And stink. Do you know how things work in practice in comparison to principle? for following your logic and your bad analogy, a person who steals bubble gum and a person who steals a car should be treated the same way, for hey, in principle they both stole something which is bad.. but you and I both know that there is a huge difference in practice, just look at the laws, practice is key, not principle. He likes sharia law...
A bit confused as I very rarely bother to post on TL, only when something boggles my mind completely, I don't like sharia law, but if you talk about him, thaaaat is maybe a bit too much as well.
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On August 30 2012 10:57 Enzymatic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:55 Phobbers wrote:On August 30 2012 10:53 Khang wrote:On August 30 2012 10:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
I really don't even understand how any of this can be related to starcraft This is why this scene has to get over this giant hump with the lack of professionalism with the players. Chad Johnson headbutting his girlfriend has nothing to do with Football, but it got him kicked off the Dolphins didn't it? You're associated with companies who intend on making money off a brand you wear on your shoulders. You're professionals at that point and your SPONSORS typically expect you to conduct yourself as such. If the rest of the pro community is as short sighted as you're being, I really fear for the future of eSports. Did you really just compare domestic assault to this? I'm trying to wrap my mind around that. Apples and oranges I'd say. Its the same idea though... The idea of lacking professionalism. You seem very short sighted and naive.
So because I felt that comparing domestic assault and showing a nude picture to two friends, I'm short sighted and naive? Oh boy gaiz, I think we have ourselves a genius here. I understand the concept of wanting those you employ to act professional, I was just pointing out that his example was fairly poor.
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On August 30 2012 11:00 Enzymatic wrote:
Too many people in this thread are focused and tunnel-visioned on how the girl in this is a "bad person" and solely responsible for fucking everything up.
That couldn't be more far from the truth, however. If Destiny was acting like a civilized grown-up, none of this would have ever happened. His behavior is what ultimately started the domino effect that led to him getting the boot. Not hers.
what behaviors are you referring to? did u even read through the thread?
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On August 30 2012 11:01 Dundron2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:57 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 10:53 Khang wrote:On August 30 2012 10:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
I really don't even understand how any of this can be related to starcraft This is why this scene has to get over this giant hump with the lack of professionalism with the players. Chad Johnson headbutting his girlfriend has nothing to do with Football, but it got him kicked off the Dolphins didn't it? You're associated with companies who intend on making money off a brand you wear on your shoulders. You're professionals at that point and your SPONSORS typically expect you to conduct yourself as such. If the rest of the pro community is as short sighted as you're being, I really fear for the future of eSports. since when do you have to be professional at all time, isn't there some time for casual? that depends on what you mean "for casual". try appyling a simple thought experiment to the things you do in your free time like 'if this became public would i be fired from my team?' if yes, don't do it.
Right.
You guys are marketable. Your team is marketable. Your team makes a portion of their money based off sponsors. If you hurt your image, you could hurt the companies that support you.
I don't condemn Destiny for doing this, but its obvious and the right decision for Root.
People do dumb shit all the time. I know I have.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On August 30 2012 11:02 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 11:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 30 2012 10:56 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 10:55 Phobbers wrote:On August 30 2012 10:53 Khang wrote:On August 30 2012 10:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
I really don't even understand how any of this can be related to starcraft This is why this scene has to get over this giant hump with the lack of professionalism with the players. Chad Johnson headbutting his girlfriend has nothing to do with Football, but it got him kicked off the Dolphins didn't it? You're associated with companies who intend on making money off a brand you wear on your shoulders. You're professionals at that point and your SPONSORS typically expect you to conduct yourself as such. If the rest of the pro community is as short sighted as you're being, I really fear for the future of eSports. Did you really just compare domestic assault to this? I'm trying to wrap my mind around that. Apples and oranges I'd say. Didn't Tigerwood get suspended and penalized for cheating on his wife or something? Probably a better comparison Not really. Tiger Woods based his image around being a good kind of whole, family guy. Destiny has no such deception at the heart of his appeal. He is who is he is and is pretty unashamed about it. Sponsors in the case of Mr Woods withdrew because of the discrepancy between Wood's public face and his private behaviour. At least that's how I read it. I don't see how it is any relevant how destiny based his images. The sponsors that are behind Destiny's payroll are most likely all professionals that expects same things just the sponsors for tigerhood expected him to be. .
Sponsors KNEW (or should have) what Destiny was like when they took him on board. Indeed the post from one of the sponsors acknowledged that his stream persona was desirable to them.
Again, fuck E-sports growing to a large size if the people within it are expected to act like saints to achieve that.
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On August 30 2012 11:00 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:57 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 10:53 Khang wrote:On August 30 2012 10:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
I really don't even understand how any of this can be related to starcraft This is why this scene has to get over this giant hump with the lack of professionalism with the players. Chad Johnson headbutting his girlfriend has nothing to do with Football, but it got him kicked off the Dolphins didn't it? You're associated with companies who intend on making money off a brand you wear on your shoulders. You're professionals at that point and your SPONSORS typically expect you to conduct yourself as such. If the rest of the pro community is as short sighted as you're being, I really fear for the future of eSports. since when do you have to be professional at all time, isn't there some time for casual? nope, not when you become famous. idol groups that focuses on its "innocence" gets disbanded all the time in Asia when some scandals (usually personal life) pops up. I would've used a better analogy, but i'm more knowledgeable regarding pop idols
Besides the fact that he's really not that famous, that's a total crock. This isn't him doing lines off a stripper's back in Vegas, it's a private convo that could've been obtained through questionable means.
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I can't find how that conversation between Destiny, TT1, and Fayth was leaked. Does anyone know? I feel like that makes all the difference here.
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I'll put it this way...
The second you join a team and become a sponsored player, you are thereby giving up your right to act "how you please". The second you make that choice to be a sponsored player and become part of an organization, you are then representing your team, and your sponsors. You are then making a choice and commitment to act and present yourself NOT how you want, but in the way that is in the best interest of your team and sponsors
So if you don't want to have to give up how you are, or how you want to act, then don't fucking join a sponsored team. Destiny doesn't seem to understand this phenomenon.. But rather thinks he should be able to act as he chooses even if he is under a contract.
Simple.
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lol just read the chat log, tt1 you my nigga
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On August 30 2012 11:01 Dundron2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 10:57 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 10:53 Khang wrote:On August 30 2012 10:49 ROOTFayth wrote:
I really don't even understand how any of this can be related to starcraft This is why this scene has to get over this giant hump with the lack of professionalism with the players. Chad Johnson headbutting his girlfriend has nothing to do with Football, but it got him kicked off the Dolphins didn't it? You're associated with companies who intend on making money off a brand you wear on your shoulders. You're professionals at that point and your SPONSORS typically expect you to conduct yourself as such. If the rest of the pro community is as short sighted as you're being, I really fear for the future of eSports. since when do you have to be professional at all time, isn't there some time for casual? that depends on what you mean "for casual". try appyling a simple thought experiment to the things you do in your free time like 'if this became public would i be fired from my team?' if yes, don't do it.
So a good reason not to do something is because there's a remote chance someone will vengefully recruit some people from the internet who have nothing to do with your job to lambast you to your sponsors? With no consideration for the possibility that those people might be dead wrong?
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On August 30 2012 11:00 Enzymatic wrote:
Too many people in this thread are focused and tunnel-visioned on how the girl in this is a "bad person" and solely responsible for fucking everything up.
That couldn't be more far from the truth, however. If Destiny was acting like a civilized grown-up, none of this would have ever happened. His behavior is what ultimately started the domino effect that led to him getting the boot. Not hers.
Both are in the wrong. But, hopefully you're able to understand the difference between sharing data privately and sharing data publicly.
What Destiny did was share data he had in his possession in a private forum, while Bluetea shared data she had, as revenge, publicly.
So, if Destiny acted in a childish manner by talking about sex with his friends (the horror!) what does that make Bluetea for getting revenge by ruining Destiny's career? Hmm?
Again, both are guilty, but hopefully you're able to understand for different reasons.
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On August 30 2012 11:04 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I can't find how that conversation between Destiny, TT1, and Fayth was leaked. Does anyone know? I feel like that makes all the difference here.
People are speculating that Bluetea had access to his skype since she had passwords to his e-mail, twitter, et cetera. She attempted to convince Destiny that she received the log from someone in Texas, but that was found out to be lies.
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On August 30 2012 11:04 Enzymatic wrote:
I'll put it this way...
The second you join a team and become a sponsored player, you are thereby giving up your right to act "how you please". The second you make that choice to be a sponsored player and become part of an organization, you are then representing your team, and your sponsors. You are then making a choice and commitment to act and present yourself NOT how you want, but in the way that is in the best interest of your team and sponsors
So if you don't want to have to give up how you are, or how you want to act, then don't fucking join a sponsored team. Destiny doesn't seem to understand this phenomenon.
Simple.
lol, did you ever listen to idra?
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