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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 01 2012 23:12 GMT
#281
On September 02 2012 07:44 TRaFFiC wrote:
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On September 02 2012 07:22 Bagration wrote:
On September 02 2012 07:02 TRaFFiC wrote:
Sigh, another foreigner afraid to compete in Korea. I don't get it. Korea is best place to improve.

Suck it up.


Alright then, next month move to country for an entire year where the language and culture is alien to you, for minimal pay. Oh yes, you might not have a stable place to stay either (now that the Slayers-EG partnership is over).

It's easy to forget how much commitment and a challenge traveling across the world long-term is.

Moving abroad is overrated. All pro gamers have to travel a lot and I bet the majority of them are used to it. Sounds like a comment from someone who has never left their back yard. I've lived in 4 different countries. Adjusting is easy and fun.

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On September 02 2012 07:19 Doodsmack wrote:
On September 02 2012 07:02 TRaFFiC wrote:
Sigh, another foreigner afraid to compete in Korea. I don't get it. Korea is best place to improve.

Suck it up.


Yeah we as fans know better than Thorzain what's best for him. After all maximum player skill is most entertaining for the fans, therefore Thorzain must practice in Korean. Also, very few foreigners have commented how miserable, depressing and lonely it is to live in a team house and practice for 10 hours a day with people who don't speak English. Fans' judgment of player passion outweighs players' personal judgment of their own emotional health.

I'm pretty impressed with my logic there.

Many players don't know what's best for them. They follow the easy money, but should also think long term. I remember when Sheth left Korea and his results have been lacking ever since + I have no respect for someone who throws away an opportunity like that.


It's a bit condescending of you to claim that progamers' decision hinges on easy money, and they "don't know what's best for themselves", while completely ignoring the mental health reasons. You actually didn't even address the point of my post which was about the mental health reasons, but instead insinuated that anyone who claims mental health is really just chasing easy money. Again it's condescending and oddly harsh. It's also inaccurate to claim that international tournaments are "easy money".
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
September 01 2012 23:18 GMT
#282
On September 02 2012 07:44 TRaFFiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 07:22 Bagration wrote:
On September 02 2012 07:02 TRaFFiC wrote:
Sigh, another foreigner afraid to compete in Korea. I don't get it. Korea is best place to improve.

Suck it up.


Alright then, next month move to country for an entire year where the language and culture is alien to you, for minimal pay. Oh yes, you might not have a stable place to stay either (now that the Slayers-EG partnership is over).

It's easy to forget how much commitment and a challenge traveling across the world long-term is.

Moving abroad is overrated. All pro gamers have to travel a lot and I bet the majority of them are used to it. Sounds like a comment from someone who has never left their back yard. I've lived in 4 different countries. Adjusting is easy and fun.

Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 07:19 Doodsmack wrote:
On September 02 2012 07:02 TRaFFiC wrote:
Sigh, another foreigner afraid to compete in Korea. I don't get it. Korea is best place to improve.

Suck it up.


Yeah we as fans know better than Thorzain what's best for him. After all maximum player skill is most entertaining for the fans, therefore Thorzain must practice in Korean. Also, very few foreigners have commented how miserable, depressing and lonely it is to live in a team house and practice for 10 hours a day with people who don't speak English. Fans' judgment of player passion outweighs players' personal judgment of their own emotional health.

I'm pretty impressed with my logic there.

Many players don't know what's best for them. They follow the easy money, but should also think long term. I remember when Sheth left Korea and his results have been lacking ever since + I have no respect for someone who throws away an opportunity like that.


This is... I dont know what to call it. It seems like you think you know better whats good for Thorzain than the guy himself? ahaha, you made a joke of yourself :D

Also, Sheth was really really really unhappy in Korea and his results are not particularly lacking, I think he does a good job in team leagues and is overall a good zerg player.

Also about the whole 'good for someone'-thing: has it ever occured to you, that there are things more important than giving everything you have to your job?
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
September 01 2012 23:27 GMT
#283
On August 28 2012 03:37 xrapture wrote:
Sigh, why did he bother taking it and wasting our time? Now that seed is vacated. Stupid and selfish.


Yes after all, Pro players are our bitches, right?

/sarcasm

Seriously dude,you are the one who is selfish.
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