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On August 26 2012 20:27 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:19 boxman22 wrote:On August 26 2012 20:14 disciple wrote:On August 26 2012 19:57 boxman22 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 disciple wrote:On August 26 2012 19:46 achan1058 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:45 chisuri wrote:On August 26 2012 19:42 achan1058 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:41 Bippzy wrote:
Interesting how public opinion slowly shifts, its as if everyone forgot about before eSF made the current move. Everyone was like "good, but they stilll shouldn't play till season 4 gsl has kespa players". They make this decision combined with ogns nice little PR announcement, and now gom is an asshole.
I would still applaud them for having the balls to do it. In this case, the ends justify the means, regardless of eSF backing out of a started tournament whereas osl never was in. Actually, nothing shifted. There's just a small vocal minority of people, probably BW fans, who have been making many comments. And you counter them with impeccable logic and reason? And what does being BW fans have anything to do with this? If they say the right things, they are still the correct side in this argument. But you have to cop out for the sake of discussion of course. I wasn't countering anything with that comment. It's just an observation. Most pro-KeSPA posts have a T1 tag on them. especially after taking the time to read all the information on the matter. You mean like the most bullshit excuse in history, i.e. that we don't have time for the GSL qualifiers and GSL? Coincidentally the exact same excuse they gave the prior GSL season? Why is the excuse so important for you? It doesn't matter one bit when KeSPA did not intend to play in the GSL4 at all. The main issue imho is that this relationship obviously lacked communication and the current status quo doesn't seem to me as being a discussed part of this partnership. KeSPA are true to their old ways, which is indeed bad for esports and should change, but ESF has the means to discipline KeSPA before it actually gets to where we are right now. In the end OGN gets fucked up big time cause their flagship tournament is jeopardized a couple of days before it starts. A tournament with set sponsorship and years of long history. Speaking of long term how do you think ESF pulling out now would affect negotiations for future OSL sponsorship. So how should they have disciplined KeSPA? You speak about ESF and GOM not warning KeSPA. It seems like the announcement from KeSPA came out of nowhere to GOM. Perhaps it came out of nowhere and so late cause KeSPA did not consider the consequences of their actions. Do you believe KeSPA would compromise their individual league being fully aware ESF would pull out of the OSL? That doesn't mean KeSPA are the good guys in all this or that I'm trying to defend them, but I do not believe ESF were not in control of this or had no means to prevent this from happening.
If Kespa does not want to compromise their OSL if they were fully aware, they can still save everything now that they are fully aware.
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On August 26 2012 20:27 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:19 boxman22 wrote:On August 26 2012 20:14 disciple wrote:On August 26 2012 19:57 boxman22 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 disciple wrote:On August 26 2012 19:46 achan1058 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:45 chisuri wrote:On August 26 2012 19:42 achan1058 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:41 Bippzy wrote:
Interesting how public opinion slowly shifts, its as if everyone forgot about before eSF made the current move. Everyone was like "good, but they stilll shouldn't play till season 4 gsl has kespa players". They make this decision combined with ogns nice little PR announcement, and now gom is an asshole.
I would still applaud them for having the balls to do it. In this case, the ends justify the means, regardless of eSF backing out of a started tournament whereas osl never was in. Actually, nothing shifted. There's just a small vocal minority of people, probably BW fans, who have been making many comments. And you counter them with impeccable logic and reason? And what does being BW fans have anything to do with this? If they say the right things, they are still the correct side in this argument. But you have to cop out for the sake of discussion of course. I wasn't countering anything with that comment. It's just an observation. Most pro-KeSPA posts have a T1 tag on them. especially after taking the time to read all the information on the matter. You mean like the most bullshit excuse in history, i.e. that we don't have time for the GSL qualifiers and GSL? Coincidentally the exact same excuse they gave the prior GSL season? Why is the excuse so important for you? It doesn't matter one bit when KeSPA did not intend to play in the GSL4 at all. The main issue imho is that this relationship obviously lacked communication and the current status quo doesn't seem to me as being a discussed part of this partnership. KeSPA are true to their old ways, which is indeed bad for esports and should change, but ESF has the means to discipline KeSPA before it actually gets to where we are right now. In the end OGN gets fucked up big time cause their flagship tournament is jeopardized a couple of days before it starts. A tournament with set sponsorship and years of long history. Speaking of long term how do you think ESF pulling out now would affect negotiations for future OSL sponsorship. So how should they have disciplined KeSPA? You speak about ESF and GOM not warning KeSPA. It seems like the announcement from KeSPA came out of nowhere to GOM. Perhaps it came out of nowhere and so late cause KeSPA did not consider the consequences of their actions. Do you believe KeSPA would compromise their individual league being fully aware ESF would pull out of the OSL? That doesn't mean KeSPA are the good guys in all this or that I'm trying to defend them, but I do not believe ESF were not in control of this or had no means to prevent this from happening.
Were they fully aware ESF would pull out? Unless they're fortune tellers, I don't think anyone could have been sure that was going to happen. Even if they thought it would happen, maybe they're seeing how far they can push.
It certainly wouldn't be out of character for them as an organization
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On August 26 2012 20:27 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:19 boxman22 wrote:On August 26 2012 20:14 disciple wrote:On August 26 2012 19:57 boxman22 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 disciple wrote:On August 26 2012 19:46 achan1058 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:45 chisuri wrote:On August 26 2012 19:42 achan1058 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:41 Bippzy wrote:
Interesting how public opinion slowly shifts, its as if everyone forgot about before eSF made the current move. Everyone was like "good, but they stilll shouldn't play till season 4 gsl has kespa players". They make this decision combined with ogns nice little PR announcement, and now gom is an asshole.
I would still applaud them for having the balls to do it. In this case, the ends justify the means, regardless of eSF backing out of a started tournament whereas osl never was in. Actually, nothing shifted. There's just a small vocal minority of people, probably BW fans, who have been making many comments. And you counter them with impeccable logic and reason? And what does being BW fans have anything to do with this? If they say the right things, they are still the correct side in this argument. But you have to cop out for the sake of discussion of course. I wasn't countering anything with that comment. It's just an observation. Most pro-KeSPA posts have a T1 tag on them. especially after taking the time to read all the information on the matter. You mean like the most bullshit excuse in history, i.e. that we don't have time for the GSL qualifiers and GSL? Coincidentally the exact same excuse they gave the prior GSL season? Why is the excuse so important for you? It doesn't matter one bit when KeSPA did not intend to play in the GSL4 at all. The main issue imho is that this relationship obviously lacked communication and the current status quo doesn't seem to me as being a discussed part of this partnership. KeSPA are true to their old ways, which is indeed bad for esports and should change, but ESF has the means to discipline KeSPA before it actually gets to where we are right now. In the end OGN gets fucked up big time cause their flagship tournament is jeopardized a couple of days before it starts. A tournament with set sponsorship and years of long history. Speaking of long term how do you think ESF pulling out now would affect negotiations for future OSL sponsorship. So how should they have disciplined KeSPA? You speak about ESF and GOM not warning KeSPA. It seems like the announcement from KeSPA came out of nowhere to GOM. Perhaps it came out of nowhere and so late cause KeSPA did not consider the consequences of their actions. Do you believe KeSPA would compromise their individual league being fully aware ESF would pull out of the OSL? That doesn't mean KeSPA are the good guys in all this or that I'm trying to defend them, but I do not believe ESF were not in control of this or had no means to prevent this from happening.
As many people have said before, I feel like KeSPA was attempting to bluff. ESF called their bluff and now KeSPA is trying to figure out how all in they should go. The only reason I can see KeSPA taking so much time is they probably didn't even plan on sending people to GSL 5. Consider that the last response took a couple hours. They didn't expect an actual resistance from ESF.
To explain: Their schedule will not change by GSL 5. They could just as easily send players to this GSL as the next. The obvious and simple response is to let the players play in GSL 4. That they haven't means they probably weren't going to send players to GSL 5 either.
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On August 26 2012 20:15 kamikami wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:04 monkybone wrote:
What was OGN doing for the past two years while Gom was doing an excellent job at this? They need time to setup? What absolute bullshit. Yeah, you can blame them. And it's no excuse that there's no profit, it's your job to make it be a profit, like gom did. OGN has not showed any interest in the foreign community at all. Excuse-me ? Excellent job ? You mean, free stream in low quality, pay-to-view stream in high quality, and pay-to-view vods ??? In the other hand, OGN propose free stream, free vods, and no restriction. Maybe you like spending to feel being "cattered" lol, I prefer that they leave my money alone :D
I don't think you are aware of what an awesome job OGN is doing with their LoL tournament.
/sarcasm
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On August 26 2012 20:29 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:27 disciple wrote:On August 26 2012 20:19 boxman22 wrote:On August 26 2012 20:14 disciple wrote:On August 26 2012 19:57 boxman22 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 disciple wrote:On August 26 2012 19:46 achan1058 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:45 chisuri wrote:On August 26 2012 19:42 achan1058 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:41 Bippzy wrote:
Interesting how public opinion slowly shifts, its as if everyone forgot about before eSF made the current move. Everyone was like "good, but they stilll shouldn't play till season 4 gsl has kespa players". They make this decision combined with ogns nice little PR announcement, and now gom is an asshole.
I would still applaud them for having the balls to do it. In this case, the ends justify the means, regardless of eSF backing out of a started tournament whereas osl never was in. Actually, nothing shifted. There's just a small vocal minority of people, probably BW fans, who have been making many comments. And you counter them with impeccable logic and reason? And what does being BW fans have anything to do with this? If they say the right things, they are still the correct side in this argument. But you have to cop out for the sake of discussion of course. I wasn't countering anything with that comment. It's just an observation. Most pro-KeSPA posts have a T1 tag on them. especially after taking the time to read all the information on the matter. You mean like the most bullshit excuse in history, i.e. that we don't have time for the GSL qualifiers and GSL? Coincidentally the exact same excuse they gave the prior GSL season? Why is the excuse so important for you? It doesn't matter one bit when KeSPA did not intend to play in the GSL4 at all. The main issue imho is that this relationship obviously lacked communication and the current status quo doesn't seem to me as being a discussed part of this partnership. KeSPA are true to their old ways, which is indeed bad for esports and should change, but ESF has the means to discipline KeSPA before it actually gets to where we are right now. In the end OGN gets fucked up big time cause their flagship tournament is jeopardized a couple of days before it starts. A tournament with set sponsorship and years of long history. Speaking of long term how do you think ESF pulling out now would affect negotiations for future OSL sponsorship. So how should they have disciplined KeSPA? You speak about ESF and GOM not warning KeSPA. It seems like the announcement from KeSPA came out of nowhere to GOM. Perhaps it came out of nowhere and so late cause KeSPA did not consider the consequences of their actions. Do you believe KeSPA would compromise their individual league being fully aware ESF would pull out of the OSL? That doesn't mean KeSPA are the good guys in all this or that I'm trying to defend them, but I do not believe ESF were not in control of this or had no means to prevent this from happening. Were they fully aware ESF would pull out? Unless they're fortune tellers, I don't think anyone could have been sure that was going to happen. Even if they thought it would happen, maybe they're seeing how far they can push. It certainly wouldn't be out of character for them as an organization
I think he meant ESF and Blizzard should have enough forsight to put things into contract to prevent this from happening in the first place, like FXOBoSS said.
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On August 26 2012 20:28 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:25 boag11 wrote:On August 26 2012 20:19 chisuri wrote:On August 26 2012 20:12 S_SienZ wrote:On August 26 2012 20:10 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 26 2012 20:07 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 20:03 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 26 2012 19:58 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 18:26 Teddyman wrote:I don't think posters in this thread realize what a busy schedule the KeSPA teams have. To clarify, I have compiled the leagues each player in the 3 sponsored teams that were eliminated from PL today take part in. + Show Spoiler +
KT Rolster:
Acacia: -
Action: -
Barracks: -
Crazy-Hydra: -
Flash: OSL
Hoejja: -
Mind: -
Motive: -
PerfectMan: -
Stats: -
Wooki: -
Penguin: -
MyungSik: -
Hitman: -
Woongjin Stars:
Aria: -
Bisang: -
Flying: OSL
fokins: -
free: -
Light: -
Rudy: -
Shout: -
Sos: -
Sin: -
Soulkey: -
Woon: -
Zero: -
STX Soul:
Bogus: -
Calm: -
Classic: -
Dear: -
hyvaa: -
Last: OSL
Mini: -
Modesty: -
Shuttle: -
Size: -
Trap: WCG
Yourosia: -
I think this is an excellent post that highlights just how busy the KeSPA players are. Terrible example.. Woongjin got eliminated today,, they were practising for their pro league games before that.. KT still had proleague to practice for today even if there was no chance of making play offs., Same goes for STX. Therefore your argument is invalid. GSL qualifiers aren't for another 10 days, during which KeSPA's main complaint was that their players schedules are just too busy. Are they really too busy to play in qualifiers? You tell me. Yes because half of them are practising BW while the other half SC2. If they were all to play in GSL qualifiers, how fair would that be.. Those who were practising BW would be at a disadvantage. Not to mention the fact that kespa teams haven't made a full transition to sc2 yet. And yet they had no problem playing WCS and will play OSL which will be sooner than the GSL. WCS ended BEFORE OSL and PL Playoff start. GSL will start around that time. So no. And Bisu complained before that he had no time to practice for MSL. At that time he was participating in PL (for his team) and MSL only. He had 1 PL game before his MSL game (2 if he was assigned the ACE match too). So yes the team required you to practice nearly 1 whole week to play 1 PL regular match. You should forget everyhing else when it comes to PL playoff. How about the B teamers and pratice partners? They are not allow to participate in GSL qualifiers as well. It isnt just about the top 2-3 stars on a team. I can understand if players like Bisu or Flash not having time because of commitments to OSL and Proleague but how about those that have no chance to play in either. Kespa is basicly taking away B-teamers and pratice partners on Kespa teams from making extra income. And we all know most b teamers and practice partners get no pay or are pay like shit. B-teamers are busy helping those big names practice. You need to start thinking outside the box instead of posting retarded shit.
Those B Teamers dont have time to play in a match or 2 a week in qualifiers? Some are already practicing SC2 so it isnt like they are picking up a new game. And again completely banning all players from qualifiers are basicly taking away income opportunity for lesser known players
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On August 26 2012 20:27 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:19 boxman22 wrote:On August 26 2012 20:14 disciple wrote:On August 26 2012 19:57 boxman22 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 disciple wrote:On August 26 2012 19:46 achan1058 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:45 chisuri wrote:On August 26 2012 19:42 achan1058 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:41 Bippzy wrote:
Interesting how public opinion slowly shifts, its as if everyone forgot about before eSF made the current move. Everyone was like "good, but they stilll shouldn't play till season 4 gsl has kespa players". They make this decision combined with ogns nice little PR announcement, and now gom is an asshole.
I would still applaud them for having the balls to do it. In this case, the ends justify the means, regardless of eSF backing out of a started tournament whereas osl never was in. Actually, nothing shifted. There's just a small vocal minority of people, probably BW fans, who have been making many comments. And you counter them with impeccable logic and reason? And what does being BW fans have anything to do with this? If they say the right things, they are still the correct side in this argument. But you have to cop out for the sake of discussion of course. I wasn't countering anything with that comment. It's just an observation. Most pro-KeSPA posts have a T1 tag on them. especially after taking the time to read all the information on the matter. You mean like the most bullshit excuse in history, i.e. that we don't have time for the GSL qualifiers and GSL? Coincidentally the exact same excuse they gave the prior GSL season? Why is the excuse so important for you? It doesn't matter one bit when KeSPA did not intend to play in the GSL4 at all. The main issue imho is that this relationship obviously lacked communication and the current status quo doesn't seem to me as being a discussed part of this partnership. KeSPA are true to their old ways, which is indeed bad for esports and should change, but ESF has the means to discipline KeSPA before it actually gets to where we are right now. In the end OGN gets fucked up big time cause their flagship tournament is jeopardized a couple of days before it starts. A tournament with set sponsorship and years of long history. Speaking of long term how do you think ESF pulling out now would affect negotiations for future OSL sponsorship. So how should they have disciplined KeSPA? You speak about ESF and GOM not warning KeSPA. It seems like the announcement from KeSPA came out of nowhere to GOM. Perhaps it came out of nowhere and so late cause KeSPA did not consider the consequences of their actions. Do you believe KeSPA would compromise their individual league being fully aware ESF would pull out of the OSL? That doesn't mean KeSPA are the good guys in all this or that I'm trying to defend them, but I do not believe ESF were not in control of this or had no means to prevent this from happening.
ESF & GOM have done pretty much all they could to cater to KeSPA. GOM has always been flexible in it's scheduling to work out conflicts. ESF players willingly participated in OGN's open qualifiers for non-KeSPA players. And even though KeSPA probably isn't lying about not knowing, GOM was ready to hand them 8 seeds directly into the competition. In my honest opinion, it looks like KeSPA didn't even try to work with anyone to prevent a dispute. They just kind of announced what they decided without talking to anyone, including their own players.
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On August 26 2012 20:29 boxman22 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:27 disciple wrote:On August 26 2012 20:19 boxman22 wrote:On August 26 2012 20:14 disciple wrote:On August 26 2012 19:57 boxman22 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 disciple wrote:On August 26 2012 19:46 achan1058 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:45 chisuri wrote:On August 26 2012 19:42 achan1058 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:41 Bippzy wrote:
Interesting how public opinion slowly shifts, its as if everyone forgot about before eSF made the current move. Everyone was like "good, but they stilll shouldn't play till season 4 gsl has kespa players". They make this decision combined with ogns nice little PR announcement, and now gom is an asshole.
I would still applaud them for having the balls to do it. In this case, the ends justify the means, regardless of eSF backing out of a started tournament whereas osl never was in. Actually, nothing shifted. There's just a small vocal minority of people, probably BW fans, who have been making many comments. And you counter them with impeccable logic and reason? And what does being BW fans have anything to do with this? If they say the right things, they are still the correct side in this argument. But you have to cop out for the sake of discussion of course. I wasn't countering anything with that comment. It's just an observation. Most pro-KeSPA posts have a T1 tag on them. especially after taking the time to read all the information on the matter. You mean like the most bullshit excuse in history, i.e. that we don't have time for the GSL qualifiers and GSL? Coincidentally the exact same excuse they gave the prior GSL season? Why is the excuse so important for you? It doesn't matter one bit when KeSPA did not intend to play in the GSL4 at all. The main issue imho is that this relationship obviously lacked communication and the current status quo doesn't seem to me as being a discussed part of this partnership. KeSPA are true to their old ways, which is indeed bad for esports and should change, but ESF has the means to discipline KeSPA before it actually gets to where we are right now. In the end OGN gets fucked up big time cause their flagship tournament is jeopardized a couple of days before it starts. A tournament with set sponsorship and years of long history. Speaking of long term how do you think ESF pulling out now would affect negotiations for future OSL sponsorship. So how should they have disciplined KeSPA? You speak about ESF and GOM not warning KeSPA. It seems like the announcement from KeSPA came out of nowhere to GOM. Perhaps it came out of nowhere and so late cause KeSPA did not consider the consequences of their actions. Do you believe KeSPA would compromise their individual league being fully aware ESF would pull out of the OSL? That doesn't mean KeSPA are the good guys in all this or that I'm trying to defend them, but I do not believe ESF were not in control of this or had no means to prevent this from happening. As many people have said before, I feel like KeSPA was attempting to bluff. ESF called their bluff and now KeSPA is trying to figure out how all in they should go. The only reason I can see KeSPA taking so much time is they probably didn't even plan on sending people to GSL 5. Consider that the last response took a couple hours. They didn't expect an actual resistance from ESF. To explain: Their schedule will not change by GSL 5. They could just as easily send players to this GSL as the next. The obvious and simple response is to let the players play in GSL 4. That they haven't means they probably weren't going to send players to GSL 5 either.
For someone with 182 posts (j/k  ) your post is pretty good
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On August 26 2012 20:31 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:29 SimDawg wrote:On August 26 2012 20:27 disciple wrote:On August 26 2012 20:19 boxman22 wrote:On August 26 2012 20:14 disciple wrote:On August 26 2012 19:57 boxman22 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 disciple wrote:On August 26 2012 19:46 achan1058 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:45 chisuri wrote:On August 26 2012 19:42 achan1058 wrote:
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Actually, nothing shifted. There's just a small vocal minority of people, probably BW fans, who have been making many comments. And you counter them with impeccable logic and reason? And what does being BW fans have anything to do with this? If they say the right things, they are still the correct side in this argument. But you have to cop out for the sake of discussion of course. I wasn't countering anything with that comment. It's just an observation. Most pro-KeSPA posts have a T1 tag on them. especially after taking the time to read all the information on the matter. You mean like the most bullshit excuse in history, i.e. that we don't have time for the GSL qualifiers and GSL? Coincidentally the exact same excuse they gave the prior GSL season? Why is the excuse so important for you? It doesn't matter one bit when KeSPA did not intend to play in the GSL4 at all. The main issue imho is that this relationship obviously lacked communication and the current status quo doesn't seem to me as being a discussed part of this partnership. KeSPA are true to their old ways, which is indeed bad for esports and should change, but ESF has the means to discipline KeSPA before it actually gets to where we are right now. In the end OGN gets fucked up big time cause their flagship tournament is jeopardized a couple of days before it starts. A tournament with set sponsorship and years of long history. Speaking of long term how do you think ESF pulling out now would affect negotiations for future OSL sponsorship. So how should they have disciplined KeSPA? You speak about ESF and GOM not warning KeSPA. It seems like the announcement from KeSPA came out of nowhere to GOM. Perhaps it came out of nowhere and so late cause KeSPA did not consider the consequences of their actions. Do you believe KeSPA would compromise their individual league being fully aware ESF would pull out of the OSL? That doesn't mean KeSPA are the good guys in all this or that I'm trying to defend them, but I do not believe ESF were not in control of this or had no means to prevent this from happening. Were they fully aware ESF would pull out? Unless they're fortune tellers, I don't think anyone could have been sure that was going to happen. Even if they thought it would happen, maybe they're seeing how far they can push. It certainly wouldn't be out of character for them as an organization I think he meant ESF and Blizzard should have enough forsight to put things into contract to prevent this from happening in the first place, like FXOBoSS said.
I agree with what FXOBoss said but I don't think that is what disciple is saying, at all.
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On August 26 2012 20:31 boag11 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:28 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 26 2012 20:25 boag11 wrote:On August 26 2012 20:19 chisuri wrote:On August 26 2012 20:12 S_SienZ wrote:On August 26 2012 20:10 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 26 2012 20:07 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 20:03 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 26 2012 19:58 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 18:26 Teddyman wrote:I don't think posters in this thread realize what a busy schedule the KeSPA teams have. To clarify, I have compiled the leagues each player in the 3 sponsored teams that were eliminated from PL today take part in. + Show Spoiler +
KT Rolster:
Acacia: -
Action: -
Barracks: -
Crazy-Hydra: -
Flash: OSL
Hoejja: -
Mind: -
Motive: -
PerfectMan: -
Stats: -
Wooki: -
Penguin: -
MyungSik: -
Hitman: -
Woongjin Stars:
Aria: -
Bisang: -
Flying: OSL
fokins: -
free: -
Light: -
Rudy: -
Shout: -
Sos: -
Sin: -
Soulkey: -
Woon: -
Zero: -
STX Soul:
Bogus: -
Calm: -
Classic: -
Dear: -
hyvaa: -
Last: OSL
Mini: -
Modesty: -
Shuttle: -
Size: -
Trap: WCG
Yourosia: -
I think this is an excellent post that highlights just how busy the KeSPA players are. Terrible example.. Woongjin got eliminated today,, they were practising for their pro league games before that.. KT still had proleague to practice for today even if there was no chance of making play offs., Same goes for STX. Therefore your argument is invalid. GSL qualifiers aren't for another 10 days, during which KeSPA's main complaint was that their players schedules are just too busy. Are they really too busy to play in qualifiers? You tell me. Yes because half of them are practising BW while the other half SC2. If they were all to play in GSL qualifiers, how fair would that be.. Those who were practising BW would be at a disadvantage. Not to mention the fact that kespa teams haven't made a full transition to sc2 yet. And yet they had no problem playing WCS and will play OSL which will be sooner than the GSL. WCS ended BEFORE OSL and PL Playoff start. GSL will start around that time. So no. And Bisu complained before that he had no time to practice for MSL. At that time he was participating in PL (for his team) and MSL only. He had 1 PL game before his MSL game (2 if he was assigned the ACE match too). So yes the team required you to practice nearly 1 whole week to play 1 PL regular match. You should forget everyhing else when it comes to PL playoff. How about the B teamers and pratice partners? They are not allow to participate in GSL qualifiers as well. It isnt just about the top 2-3 stars on a team. I can understand if players like Bisu or Flash not having time because of commitments to OSL and Proleague but how about those that have no chance to play in either. Kespa is basicly taking away B-teamers and pratice partners on Kespa teams from making extra income. And we all know most b teamers and practice partners get no pay or are pay like shit. B-teamers are busy helping those big names practice. You need to start thinking outside the box instead of posting retarded shit. Those B Teamers dont have time to play in a match or 2 a week in qualifiers? Some are already practicing SC2 so it isnt like they are picking up a new game. And again completely banning all players from qualifiers are basicly taking away income opportunity for lesser known players
Do you have a Job?
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If GOM goes along with Kespa's plan, the OSL is potentially seen as the most prestigious tournament as it's the first to have both organizations' super stars, pushing GSL into insignificance. ESF players could potentially get pushed into insignificance as Kespa players pass them up, and there's not a guarantee that Kespa will keep it's word for GSL5. If ESF sticks to their guns they either get to beat some sub par Kespa players in GSL4, or damage the Korean scene to hold on to the influence they currently have. Their continued withdrawal will damage both OSL and the fans by forcing a divide between the organizations. The only way they can move forward though is to give in to Kespa and trust them, but how can they after all that's happened? So they choose this over letting Kespa get a hold on everything again and having the power to muscle them out. It's hard to judge.
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Yes I have a job. And guess what If my job is to only help the elite few and have no chance to get paid I would be pissed.
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On August 26 2012 20:37 boag11 wrote:
Yes I have a job. And guess what If my job is to only help the elite few and have no chance to get paid I would be pissed.
Perhaps that job is not for you then.
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On August 26 2012 20:37 Rah wrote:
If GOM goes along with Kespa's plan, the OSL is potentially seen as the most prestigious tournament as it's the first to have both organizations' super stars, pushing GSL into insignificance. ESF players could potentially get pushed into insignificance as Kespa players pass them up, and there's not a guarantee that Kespa will keep it's word for GSL5. If ESF sticks to their guns they either get to beat some sub par Kespa players in GSL4, or damage the Korean scene to hold on to the influence they currently have. Their continued withdrawal will damage both OSL and the fans by forcing a divide between the organizations. The only way they can move forward though is to give in to Kespa and trust them, but how can they after all that's happened? So they choose this over letting Kespa get a hold on everything again and having the power to muscle them out. It's hard to judge.
I can't see KeSPA sticking to it forever. Blizz will back GOM if things gets too ugly, and KeSPA will have to switch to LoL, and still deal with eSF there anyways.
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On August 26 2012 20:38 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:37 boag11 wrote:
Yes I have a job. And guess what If my job is to only help the elite few and have no chance to get paid I would be pissed. Perhaps that job is not for you then.
stomped. In all seriousness though, wouldn't it just be fantastic if this drama didn't exist?
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On August 26 2012 20:38 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:37 boag11 wrote:
Yes I have a job. And guess what If my job is to only help the elite few and have no chance to get paid I would be pissed. Perhaps that job is not for you then.
Now let me ask you If you have a job where you get paid under minimum wage and you have no chance at extra income while working 12+ hours a day to benefit someone else?
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On August 26 2012 20:37 Rah wrote:
If GOM goes along with Kespa's plan, the OSL is potentially seen as the most prestigious tournament as it's the first to have both organizations' super stars, pushing GSL into insignificance. ESF players could potentially get pushed into insignificance as Kespa players pass them up, and there's not a guarantee that Kespa will keep it's word for GSL5. If ESF sticks to their guns they either get to beat some sub par Kespa players in GSL4, or damage the Korean scene to hold on to the influence they currently have. Their continued withdrawal will damage both OSL and the fans by forcing a divide between the organizations. The only way they can move forward though is to give in to Kespa and trust them, but how can they after all that's happened? So they choose this over letting Kespa get a hold on everything again and having the power to muscle them out. It's hard to judge.
Haha ya. Interestingly, Kespa does realise that if their players play in GSL, it'll make GSL more entertaining, and they probably want some benefits from it. Wonder why they didn't think of OSL as a benefit. Now that this situation occurred, it's so weird >.<
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On August 26 2012 20:22 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:19 chisuri wrote:On August 26 2012 20:12 S_SienZ wrote:On August 26 2012 20:10 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 26 2012 20:07 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 20:03 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 26 2012 19:58 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 18:26 Teddyman wrote:I don't think posters in this thread realize what a busy schedule the KeSPA teams have. To clarify, I have compiled the leagues each player in the 3 sponsored teams that were eliminated from PL today take part in. + Show Spoiler +
KT Rolster:
Acacia: -
Action: -
Barracks: -
Crazy-Hydra: -
Flash: OSL
Hoejja: -
Mind: -
Motive: -
PerfectMan: -
Stats: -
Wooki: -
Penguin: -
MyungSik: -
Hitman: -
Woongjin Stars:
Aria: -
Bisang: -
Flying: OSL
fokins: -
free: -
Light: -
Rudy: -
Shout: -
Sos: -
Sin: -
Soulkey: -
Woon: -
Zero: -
STX Soul:
Bogus: -
Calm: -
Classic: -
Dear: -
hyvaa: -
Last: OSL
Mini: -
Modesty: -
Shuttle: -
Size: -
Trap: WCG
Yourosia: -
I think this is an excellent post that highlights just how busy the KeSPA players are. Terrible example.. Woongjin got eliminated today,, they were practising for their pro league games before that.. KT still had proleague to practice for today even if there was no chance of making play offs., Same goes for STX. Therefore your argument is invalid. GSL qualifiers aren't for another 10 days, during which KeSPA's main complaint was that their players schedules are just too busy. Are they really too busy to play in qualifiers? You tell me. Yes because half of them are practising BW while the other half SC2. If they were all to play in GSL qualifiers, how fair would that be.. Those who were practising BW would be at a disadvantage. Not to mention the fact that kespa teams haven't made a full transition to sc2 yet. And yet they had no problem playing WCS and will play OSL which will be sooner than the GSL. WCS ended BEFORE OSL and PL Playoff start. GSL will start around that time. So no. And Bisu complained before that he had no time to practice for MSL. At that time he was participating in PL (for his team) and MSL only. He had 1 PL game before his MSL game (2 if he was assigned the ACE match too). So yes the team required you to practice nearly 1 whole week to play 1 PL regular match. You should forget everyhing else when it comes to PL playoff. OK. PL aside, any reason why the eliminated teams now can't play? At most a few were practicing BW due to PL's format, and it's not like you can prepare specifically for the qualifiers anyway.
There was only KT confirmed not making the playoff before. ACE wasn't counted because it was going to disband soon (thank to SC2 massive success in Korea, sarcasm in case you don't detect it). Today we learn that Stars and STX don't make it. Today is the 26th, GSL registration before this joke pulled by ESF will end 27th. The players in Stars and STX had to prepare up to today in case they would make it (Stars had to practice for today's deciding match). It's too close for the team to stop practice for PL and prepare for GSL. KT could register earlier but they KeSPA wants to make a blast invading the GSL so they'd prefer a complete transition with the best from all teams participate in. Therefore, they decided to delay the participation and didn't allow some reckless decisions of one or two players to stain the whole organization's reputation and potential grand admission to SC2 scene. I think they want to win the first GSL they participate in, which makes sense for me and totally up to KeSPA to decide. Don't forget that most of the performing players in WCS are not in Stars, STX or KT and they are the best ones KeSPA has to offer. I understand why KeSPA wants to delay their entrance into GSL for another season. Next season of GSL, the players won't have PL playoff to practice for and would have been completely transited full time to SC2 for more than 2 months, they will have a good chance to win the whole thing. Once again. in any case, it's up to KeSPA's decisions, they have the rights. If players oppose, fine, they can quit KeSPA teams, which offer the best professional environment, anytime. They can join ESL and do some amateurish stuffs with the players there.
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On August 26 2012 20:39 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:37 Rah wrote:
If GOM goes along with Kespa's plan, the OSL is potentially seen as the most prestigious tournament as it's the first to have both organizations' super stars, pushing GSL into insignificance. ESF players could potentially get pushed into insignificance as Kespa players pass them up, and there's not a guarantee that Kespa will keep it's word for GSL5. If ESF sticks to their guns they either get to beat some sub par Kespa players in GSL4, or damage the Korean scene to hold on to the influence they currently have. Their continued withdrawal will damage both OSL and the fans by forcing a divide between the organizations. The only way they can move forward though is to give in to Kespa and trust them, but how can they after all that's happened? So they choose this over letting Kespa get a hold on everything again and having the power to muscle them out. It's hard to judge. I can't see KeSPA sticking to it forever. Blizz will back GOM if things gets too ugly, and KeSPA will have to switch to LoL, and still deal with eSF there anyways.
eSF has LoL players?
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On August 26 2012 20:41 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:39 achan1058 wrote:On August 26 2012 20:37 Rah wrote:
If GOM goes along with Kespa's plan, the OSL is potentially seen as the most prestigious tournament as it's the first to have both organizations' super stars, pushing GSL into insignificance. ESF players could potentially get pushed into insignificance as Kespa players pass them up, and there's not a guarantee that Kespa will keep it's word for GSL5. If ESF sticks to their guns they either get to beat some sub par Kespa players in GSL4, or damage the Korean scene to hold on to the influence they currently have. Their continued withdrawal will damage both OSL and the fans by forcing a divide between the organizations. The only way they can move forward though is to give in to Kespa and trust them, but how can they after all that's happened? So they choose this over letting Kespa get a hold on everything again and having the power to muscle them out. It's hard to judge. I can't see KeSPA sticking to it forever. Blizz will back GOM if things gets too ugly, and KeSPA will have to switch to LoL, and still deal with eSF there anyways. eSF has LoL players?
LG-IM has 1 team. ST has 1 team. MVP has freaking 3 teams. No idea where MVP get those money from.
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