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Looking forward to Season 5, but in the meantime, hope our gom players and kespa players end up on equal footing >.<
KeSPA Agrees to Participate in GSL Season 5 - Page 29
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
Looking forward to Season 5, but in the meantime, hope our gom players and kespa players end up on equal footing >.< | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On August 25 2012 09:31 Havik_ wrote: So let me get this straight. The Kespa people didn't want their players playing in GSL, so they pulled their people, ESF responed by pulling their people out of OSL, but then kespa decided to let their people play in GSL Season 5, and ESF responds by allowing them to play in OSL? I'm understanding this correctly? If so, I'm glad its all been worked out. I really hate how leagues are starting to form alliances and such and attempting to keep players out of tournaments and the like. Crap like that could kill SC2 for real. ESF has yet to respond. So nothing is actually solved. | ||
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naastyOne
491 Posts
On August 25 2012 08:06 Quarz wrote: The PL is much more important for the Kespa teams, than the GSTL for Gom teams. I am not really sure how much damage this OSL boycott will be dealt to Kespa. It not their tournament, its OGN tournament. For Kespa the PL is the most important thing. Anyway, time will tell if those ESF-player will remain better players in the future or not. If not than the move was probably a bad move. The move will be only be succesful, if Kespa guys think those players have value for them in the future. If not they can't care less. But i think it was a smart move by ESF, because now they are considered as the best SC2 players, but in the future who knows. Just how many better players can KeSPA realistically get in the future? A good part of the current ESL`s top were the KeSPA B-teamers. So, they at most will get every on their A-teamers into better than ESL top. How many is that? 5-10-15 players? Unless KeSPA manages to out-recruit every major SC2 team in the next 2-3 years, they will not get significantrly better players. Also, considering the SC2 foreign scene is largely about a set of big events for every decent player to participate, as opposed to pro-league, and OSL, and the fact that SC2 community is backed(sponsored) by huge international corporations, Red Bull, Intel, AMD, Asus, LG, and a number of other hardware producers, and a number of local sponsors , there is no way in hell KeSPA will get the money dominance that they has in SC:BW, and hence, they will not be capable of out-recruiting Non-Kespa teams. | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On August 25 2012 09:31 Havik_ wrote: So let me get this straight. The Kespa people didn't want their players playing in GSL, so they pulled their people, ESF responed by pulling their people out of OSL, but then kespa decided to let their people play in GSL Season 5, and ESF responds by allowing them to play in OSL? I'm understanding this correctly? If so, I'm glad its all been worked out. I really hate how leagues are starting to form alliances and such and attempting to keep players out of tournaments and the like. Crap like that could kill SC2 for real. "Kill" SC2 in Korea, not the rest of the world. IMO, the scene is sustainable even if you take KeSPA out of the equation at this point. In fact, I for one, could not care less whether SC2 becomes popular as BW in Korea. Korea is almost beyond recoverable from LoL influence now anyways, and GSL with the current business model is perfectly sustainable. It will definitely stunt the growth of the SC2 scene in Korea, but not outright kill it. The way I see it, the only legit way that will make SC2 popular like BW in Korea is to make SC2 so popular in the rest of the world (especially 1st world nations) that the korean westaboos, whose number definitely outnumber old BW fans, take notice and embrace it. The way things are looking in foreign SC2 scene, we're well on our way there. So guys, attend your local barcraft whenever you can, PLEASE. | ||
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sighsigh
Australia40 Posts
On August 25 2012 09:34 Aerisky wrote: Yay this is good news Looking forward to Season 5, but in the meantime, hope our gom players and kespa players end up on equal footing >.< This isn't good news because this is what Kespa WANTED from the beginning. What ESF needs to do is force Kespa to let their players play in season 4 of GSL otherwise don't let ESF players play in OSL. ESF has the leverage at the moment because OSL is starting really soon and Kespa is in a bit of a pinch because of that. Also according to some previous posts, the public isn't looking to favourably on Kespa. ESF's offical reply needs to be something like: Due to Kespa rasing concerns for their players not being on par with the ESF players in terms of Starcraft 2 strength. ESF feels that it would be unfair on Kespa players to have ESF players participate in the OSL and potentially dominate the OSL scene. Thus ESF players will not participate in the OSL tournament coming up and will have ESF players enter the next season of OSL. We wish the Kespa players good fortune and great games. Something like that. | ||
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naastyOne
491 Posts
On August 25 2012 09:57 sighsigh wrote: This isn't good news because this is what Kespa WANTED from the beginning. What ESF needs to do is force Kespa to let their players play in season 4 of GSL otherwise don't let ESF players play in OSL. ESF has the leverage at the moment because OSL is starting really soon and Kespa is in a bit of a pinch because of that. Also according to some previous posts, the public isn't looking to favourably on Kespa. ESF's offical reply needs to be something like: Due to Kespa rasing concerns for their players not being on par with the ESF players in terms of Starcraft 2 strength. ESF feels that it would be unfair on Kespa players to have ESF players participate in the OSL and potentially dominate the OSL scene. Thus ESF players will not participate in the OSL tournament coming up and will have ESF players enter the next season of OSL. We wish the Kespa players good fortune and great games. They can not do it like that, unfortunately, it sounds too childish. What they really need to say is, that since the KeSpa players will boost the competition, ESL has to increase it`s players training time, and since they are already training full time, the only way to do so is by deceasing the player`s tournament participation, so they can only attend to the tournament they were attending before, and the addition of OSL on the top of that burdens players way too much, and creates way too much trouble with sheduling, and takes too much of the time the players could participate in foreign evets, so ESL will look at the ability to cram the OSL in their bussy shedule in the future, but no guarantees. On August 25 2012 09:55 JiPrime wrote: "Kill" SC2 in Korea, not the rest of the world. IMO, the scene is sustainable even if you take KeSPA out of the equation at this point. In fact, I for one, could not care less whether SC2 becomes popular as BW in Korea. Korea is almost beyond recoverable from LoL influence now anyways, and GSL with the current business model is perfectly sustainable. It will definitely stunt the growth of the SC2 scene in Korea, but not outright kill it. The way I see it, the only legit way that will make SC2 popular like BW in Korea is to make SC2 so popular in the rest of the world (especially 1st world nations) that the korean westaboos, whose number definitely outnumber old BW fans, take notice and embrace it. The way things are looking in foreign SC2 scene, we're well on our way there. So guys, attend your local barcraft whenever you can, PLEASE. I think that the foreign scene could employ the Code S level Koreans players pretty fine, if KeSPA manages to capture Korea, so the Kespa attack on ESL only boosts the chances that some top Koreans will go to foreign teams, and that will boost the foreign scene, since they will improve their teams, with their expirience and practice with other players. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Oh, and I'm I right in assuming that the parties only had verbal agreements to work with one another? Nothing written on paper? That sounds very amateurish. If they had legally binding documents, all of this could've been avoided. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12027 Posts
On August 25 2012 10:14 Telcontar wrote: I still think ESF is really screwing over OGN big time. Kespa stopping their players from playing in the GSL qualifiers is one thing, pulling players out of the Ro16 of the OSL, especially after they held the group selection ceremony, is a little excessive. I suppose it is the strongest message they can send though. Oh, and I'm I right in assuming that the parties only had verbal agreements to work with one another? Nothing written on paper? That sounds very amateurish. If they had legally binding documents, all of this could've been avoided. ESF didn't really force the players to leave. The players chose to leave if Kespa was going to be this unfair to their players. It makes a lot of sense due to the fact the majority if not all the ESF players in the OSL were Broodwar pros under Kespa at one point so they all know how completely unfair they were. The players on both sides just want to play together and show their fans good games. All anyone in that position would ever want to do. This is basically an example of two little kids wanting to play something together but their big brothers taking the ball away. | ||
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chris5180
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norjoncal
89 Posts
On August 25 2012 10:31 Qikz wrote: ESF didn't really force the players to leave. The players chose to leave if Kespa was going to be this unfair to their players. It makes a lot of sense due to the fact the majority if not all the ESF players in the OSL were Broodwar pros under Kespa at one point so they all know how completely unfair they were. The players on both sides just want to play together and show their fans good games. All anyone in that position would ever want to do. This is basically an example of two little kids wanting to play something together but their big brothers taking the ball away. But they are not kids they are contracted employees. The problem I have with GOM is they have too many events. | ||
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TBXII
21 Posts
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Bascal
United States30 Posts
On August 24 2012 22:11 whirlpool wrote: thank GOD , is OSL save?, hope the best for SC2 scene And by GOD, you mean Nestea, right? | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
On August 24 2012 22:09 Kiyo. wrote: Source: http://esfiworld.com/news/after-esfs-threat-boycotting-osl-kespa-decided-participate-gsl-season-5 You can find more details at the link. Inb4 ESF players play in current OSL OSL completes it's event. KESPA backs out of playing season 5 due to "scheduling." | ||
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nAgeDitto
United States428 Posts
Were they NOT planning on participating for GSL season 5? What does this change? Is it just a 'confirmation'? | ||
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
On August 25 2012 13:12 nAgeDitto wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong... but... Were they NOT planning on participating for GSL season 5? What does this change? Is it just a 'confirmation'? To me it sounds like they are trying to do damage control before the OSL without actually committing to anything. Who knows what is really going on behind the scenes though. The fact remains that KeSPa does not seem to have the slightest clue why people are really upset. It should be the player's and the team's choice, not KeSPa's. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
i can understand this decision Kespa states simply it won't participate in Season 4. ESF says, "Oh no you don't! We're not going to have our players play in your OSL to help your league grow while you also limit opportunities for your own players! We're going to pull out if you don't join Season 4" Kespa now says "Oh, don't worry, we'll participate in Season 5. It's just that we didn't want to participate in Season 4, 'cus we're not ready" Me: >.> If you're worried about kespa players not being on part with GSL players, then why the heck are you allowing GSL players to play in OSL? Also why are you worried about schedules if GOM hasn't caused schedule problems in the past and, once again, are offering/guaranteeing that there will be no scheduling conflicts? Clever (I guess?) moves by both, but ESF are the good guys here and, thankfully, unlike in BW days, they have the power, not Kespa. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On August 25 2012 10:14 Telcontar wrote: I still think ESF is really screwing over OGN big time. Kespa stopping their players from playing in the GSL qualifiers is one thing, pulling players out of the Ro16 of the OSL, especially after they held the group selection ceremony, is a little excessive. I suppose it is the strongest message they can send though. Oh, and I'm I right in assuming that the parties only had verbal agreements to work with one another? Nothing written on paper? That sounds very amateurish. If they had legally binding documents, all of this could've been avoided. It's not over the top at all, KeSPA are fucking retarded for thinking they could pull this shit without having this happening. Really, really, really hope ESF tells them they can kiss their OSL good bye unless KeSPA players can participate in GSL4. Also, from what I've been told, Korean business culture has a tendency to be a little 'fly by the seat of your pants' --- I dont know how true it is anymore, just heard that contract culture isn't as big there as here. On August 25 2012 11:23 norjoncal wrote: But they are not kids they are contracted employees. The problem I have with GOM is they have too many events. Too many events how? GSTL and GSL.... I count two. For most of BWs history you had OSL, MSL and AT LEAST one Proleague! There was a time where you had TWO proleagues, as well as iTV and GhemTV starleagues.... | ||
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
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DrakeFZX3
United States925 Posts
On August 25 2012 11:23 norjoncal wrote: But they are not kids they are contracted employees. The problem I have with GOM is they have too many events. And players should be allowed to choose what events they can participate in. Saying GOM has too many events is absurd. The SC2 scene itself has a plethora of events. The great thing about players within nonKespa teams (and that includes Foreign teams) is that they're allowed to choose where they participate in. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On August 24 2012 22:16 rasnj wrote: Well GSL season 5 won't be until after this upcoming OSL (so not until November). If the ESF teams wanted to match the KeSPA decision, they should announce that they will keep out of this OSL, but participate in the next one. ^ this. Don't give KeSPA a fucking inch. | ||
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