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On August 25 2012 07:57 Proseat wrote:
So did anyone email or contact on Twitter/Facebook the large companies behind the KeSPA teams (Samsung, SK Telecom, Korea Telecom, CJ, ...) about this whole affair? Some of them are also global enterprises on the worldwide stage and they probably don't realize how the rest of the world is looking at the Korean SC2 scene. Maybe it will have an effect on them. After all, this isn't really resolved yet for sure.
They don't give a shit about you, and likely never will. The only horse in this race that is on your side is GOM
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On August 25 2012 14:09 PhoenixDark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 07:57 Proseat wrote:
So did anyone email or contact on Twitter/Facebook the large companies behind the KeSPA teams (Samsung, SK Telecom, Korea Telecom, CJ, ...) about this whole affair? Some of them are also global enterprises on the worldwide stage and they probably don't realize how the rest of the world is looking at the Korean SC2 scene. Maybe it will have an effect on them. After all, this isn't really resolved yet for sure.
They don't give a shit about you, and likely never will. The only horse in this race that is on your side is GOM
Also, this isn't like how EG has many sponsors. The big name companies KT, SK, Samsung.. they're not just sponsors.. they OWN the teams. For example, if SK decides they want to get rid of someone player/coach/etc. on T1 they will.
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On August 25 2012 14:09 PhoenixDark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 07:57 Proseat wrote:
So did anyone email or contact on Twitter/Facebook the large companies behind the KeSPA teams (Samsung, SK Telecom, Korea Telecom, CJ, ...) about this whole affair? Some of them are also global enterprises on the worldwide stage and they probably don't realize how the rest of the world is looking at the Korean SC2 scene. Maybe it will have an effect on them. After all, this isn't really resolved yet for sure.
They don't give a shit about you, and likely never will. The only horse in this race that is on your side is GOM
Yeah, some guys aren't putting the two together yet. Samsung? Possibly but as for the rest it will achieve next to nothing.
On August 25 2012 14:25 bokchoi wrote:
Also, this isn't like how EG has many sponsors. The big name companies KT, SK, Samsung.. they're not just sponsors.. they OWN the teams. For example, if SK decides they want to get rid of someone player/coach/etc. on T1 they will.
Yeah, EG is pretty reliant on keeping those sponsors happy hence the ridiculous amount of plugging non-stop. Their philosophy and how they run their business is completely different.
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On August 25 2012 13:44 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 10:14 Telcontar wrote:
I still think ESF is really screwing over OGN big time. Kespa stopping their players from playing in the GSL qualifiers is one thing, pulling players out of the Ro16 of the OSL, especially after they held the group selection ceremony, is a little excessive. I suppose it is the strongest message they can send though.
Oh, and I'm I right in assuming that the parties only had verbal agreements to work with one another? Nothing written on paper? That sounds very amateurish. If they had legally binding documents, all of this could've been avoided. It's not over the top at all, KeSPA are fucking retarded for thinking they could pull this shit without having this happening. Really, really, really hope ESF tells them they can kiss their OSL good bye unless KeSPA players can participate in GSL4. Also, from what I've been told, Korean business culture has a tendency to be a little 'fly by the seat of your pants' --- I dont know how true it is anymore, just heard that contract culture isn't as big there as here. Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 11:23 norjoncal wrote:On August 25 2012 10:31 Qikz wrote:On August 25 2012 10:14 Telcontar wrote:
I still think ESF is really screwing over OGN big time. Kespa stopping their players from playing in the GSL qualifiers is one thing, pulling players out of the Ro16 of the OSL, especially after they held the group selection ceremony, is a little excessive. I suppose it is the strongest message they can send though.
Oh, and I'm I right in assuming that the parties only had verbal agreements to work with one another? Nothing written on paper? That sounds very amateurish. If they had legally binding documents, all of this could've been avoided. ESF didn't really force the players to leave. The players chose to leave if Kespa was going to be this unfair to their players. It makes a lot of sense due to the fact the majority if not all the ESF players in the OSL were Broodwar pros under Kespa at one point so they all know how completely unfair they were. The players on both sides just want to play together and show their fans good games. All anyone in that position would ever want to do. This is basically an example of two little kids wanting to play something together but their big brothers taking the ball away. But they are not kids they are contracted employees. The problem I have with GOM is they have too many events. Too many events how? GSTL and GSL.... I count two. For most of BWs history you had OSL, MSL and AT LEAST one Proleague! There was a time where you had TWO proleagues, as well as iTV and GhemTV starleagues....
I feel the same way.
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Also, there were plenty of Kespa players who didn't qualify for OSL who could have participated in Code A. Kespa is basically creating a straw man argument claiming no one could possibly meet the demands of GOM's schedule. Effort couldn't come? What about Trap? etc. They're good enough not to get stomped, obviously
Think about it from a Kespa team perspective. It's a great way to measure progress and scout opponents. Now they apparently won't get the chance unless ESF changes their mind
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On August 25 2012 15:04 GreggSauce wrote:
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wait until the fat lady sings (they are in the booth)
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it's not, nothing has changed
so what they said they would play in an event a while form now, jsut so they can get OSL running with no further interuption, what stops them after OSL is done to say no again? the problem wasn't gsl 5 it is gsl 4
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On August 25 2012 13:58 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:16 rasnj wrote:
Well GSL season 5 won't be until after this upcoming OSL (so not until November). If the ESF teams wanted to match the KeSPA decision, they should announce that they will keep out of this OSL, but participate in the next one. ^ this. Don't give KeSPA a fucking inch.
I agree. I don't know much about Kespa, but based on how they've acted with SC2 so far, there's not much to like.
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Why arn't they participating in season 4? :/
Because right now they didn't change anything, stupid press release...
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On August 25 2012 16:53 Ammoth wrote:
Why arn't they participating in season 4? :/
Because right now they didn't change anything, stupid press release...
Wrong, their previous press release said that they would neither participate in Season 4 nor in Season 5.
But I also don't like how Kespa holds back its players from participating in Season 4,
especially those who haven't made their debut in any individual leagues yet, they surely can't be that busy.
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On August 25 2012 14:26 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 14:09 PhoenixDark wrote:On August 25 2012 07:57 Proseat wrote:
So did anyone email or contact on Twitter/Facebook the large companies behind the KeSPA teams (Samsung, SK Telecom, Korea Telecom, CJ, ...) about this whole affair? Some of them are also global enterprises on the worldwide stage and they probably don't realize how the rest of the world is looking at the Korean SC2 scene. Maybe it will have an effect on them. After all, this isn't really resolved yet for sure.
They don't give a shit about you, and likely never will. The only horse in this race that is on your side is GOM Yeah, some guys aren't putting the two together yet. Samsung? Possibly but as for the rest it will achieve next to nothing.
Off topic: Poor Samsung. Getting sued for $1billion can't feel too good. Apple patents are sick 
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On August 25 2012 17:16 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 16:53 Ammoth wrote:
Why arn't they participating in season 4? :/
Because right now they didn't change anything, stupid press release... Wrong, their previous press release said that they would neither participate in Season 4 nor in Season 5. But I also don't like how Kespa holds back its players from participating in Season 4, especially those who haven't made their debut in any individual leagues yet, they surely can't be that busy.
Aha, my bad then but yes, they can't be that busy other than practicing sc2 since there is only OSL going on right now?
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When is season 5 anyways?
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im glad the decision by GOM worked out.
Kespa needs to understand they're not allowed to be the Tyrants they were in BW, and should learn their place with the rest of us!
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On August 25 2012 17:22 Weirdkid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 14:26 StarStruck wrote:On August 25 2012 14:09 PhoenixDark wrote:On August 25 2012 07:57 Proseat wrote:
So did anyone email or contact on Twitter/Facebook the large companies behind the KeSPA teams (Samsung, SK Telecom, Korea Telecom, CJ, ...) about this whole affair? Some of them are also global enterprises on the worldwide stage and they probably don't realize how the rest of the world is looking at the Korean SC2 scene. Maybe it will have an effect on them. After all, this isn't really resolved yet for sure.
They don't give a shit about you, and likely never will. The only horse in this race that is on your side is GOM Yeah, some guys aren't putting the two together yet. Samsung? Possibly but as for the rest it will achieve next to nothing. Off topic: Poor Samsung. Getting sued for $1billion can't feel too good. Apple patents are sick
Honestly I don't know why Samsung would still want to be in KeSPA, seeing how its target audience is rather different than the rest of the sponsors. At least LG got it right.
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Yeah... Didn't Kespa already promise to participate in Season 4? ...
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Okay gents, pull the parking break. We stopped? Alright good. Reverse, full throttle!
Deep down I hope some eSports veteran reports on Kespa closed-door meetings to shed some light on these and other things. And that the book is translated into English. Woodward-isseoyo?
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On August 25 2012 18:04 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 17:22 Weirdkid wrote:On August 25 2012 14:26 StarStruck wrote:On August 25 2012 14:09 PhoenixDark wrote:On August 25 2012 07:57 Proseat wrote:
So did anyone email or contact on Twitter/Facebook the large companies behind the KeSPA teams (Samsung, SK Telecom, Korea Telecom, CJ, ...) about this whole affair? Some of them are also global enterprises on the worldwide stage and they probably don't realize how the rest of the world is looking at the Korean SC2 scene. Maybe it will have an effect on them. After all, this isn't really resolved yet for sure.
They don't give a shit about you, and likely never will. The only horse in this race that is on your side is GOM Yeah, some guys aren't putting the two together yet. Samsung? Possibly but as for the rest it will achieve next to nothing. Off topic: Poor Samsung. Getting sued for $1billion can't feel too good. Apple patents are sick Honestly I don't know why Samsung would still want to be in KeSPA, seeing how its target audience is rather different than the rest of the sponsors. At least LG got it right.
Samsung's market share seems to be pretty amazing in Korea though, so I wouldn't be surprised if they want to maintain that. Saw a ton of Samsung users when I was there.
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