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On August 25 2012 07:48 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 07:45 setzer wrote:On August 25 2012 07:38 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 07:21 Damnight wrote:
KeSPA is stuck in 2006, evolve please and embrace the international scene Oo They are not ready though. See the fast approaching PlayOff is coming. Lots of teams will priotize that over anything else. And if players are not focused on it, then results will suffer. Someone gave an example of coaching asking B-teamer to help A-teamers practicing for PL but then B-teamer will be too preocuppied with GSL qualifiers. In that case, it is understandable why the teams have made such decision. Abide by the team's rule = sure salary going to GSL = a financial risk. I'm sure that how RorO thought of it when the interviewers touched upon the topic. Four teams won't even be in playoffs and two of those in don't play until after later on. Qualifiers are on Sept 5th and Code A is broadcasted on a Tuesday so it is really a non-issue. But currently teams are still fighting hard for that spot. If players are allowed to participate in GSLs, they would still affects the standings. And as for now 6/8 are in that position. And 6/8 is the majority of the organization. So to keep it fair among themselves, the entire entity have decided upon this choice.
This is the final week of Proleague, no? So regular season will end before qualifiers begin. Even then, the 2nd place team has to wait until 3rd and 4th teams play. No one said the players have to actually practice for GSL, as was sometimes the case for MSL and OSL, but the expectation was that KeSPA would, at the very least, allow its players participation.
If the issue all along was Proleague playoffs KeSPA would not have come out and initially said the players would not be participating in GSL S5. The move by KeSPA was entirely a political decision.
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On August 25 2012 07:54 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 07:48 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 07:45 setzer wrote:On August 25 2012 07:38 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 07:21 Damnight wrote:
KeSPA is stuck in 2006, evolve please and embrace the international scene Oo They are not ready though. See the fast approaching PlayOff is coming. Lots of teams will priotize that over anything else. And if players are not focused on it, then results will suffer. Someone gave an example of coaching asking B-teamer to help A-teamers practicing for PL but then B-teamer will be too preocuppied with GSL qualifiers. In that case, it is understandable why the teams have made such decision. Abide by the team's rule = sure salary going to GSL = a financial risk. I'm sure that how RorO thought of it when the interviewers touched upon the topic. Four teams won't even be in playoffs and two of those in don't play until after later on. Qualifiers are on Sept 5th and Code A is broadcasted on a Tuesday so it is really a non-issue. But currently teams are still fighting hard for that spot. If players are allowed to participate in GSLs, they would still affects the standings. And as for now 6/8 are in that position. And 6/8 is the majority of the organization. So to keep it fair among themselves, the entire entity have decided upon this choice. This is the final week of Proleague, no? So regular season will end before qualifiers begin. Even then, the 2nd place team has to wait until 3rd and 4th teams play. No one said the players have to actually practice for GSL, as was sometimes the case for MSL and OSL, but the expectation was that KeSPA would, at the very least, allow its players participation.
Not if they are practicing 8 days a week.
Seriously, they can have just a bunch of players show up for the qualifier without specifically practicing for it, or do they think that they will get stomped so hard if they don't know all their opponents in advance?
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On August 25 2012 07:43 iKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 07:21 Damnight wrote:
KeSPA is stuck in 2006, evolve please and embrace the international scene Oo 2 months ago, KeSPA sent their star players to an US event for the first time in history. They're embracing the international scene, but they're not embracing the korean one very well.
except for all the blizzcons their star players got sent to in the US. MLG wasn't that unprecedented or shocking.
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So did anyone email or contact on Twitter/Facebook the large companies behind the KeSPA teams (Samsung, SK Telecom, Korea Telecom, CJ, ...) about this whole affair? Some of them are also global enterprises on the worldwide stage and they probably don't realize how the rest of the world is looking at the Korean SC2 scene. Maybe it will have an effect on them. After all, this isn't really resolved yet for sure.
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On August 25 2012 07:57 Proseat wrote:
So did anyone email or contact on Twitter/Facebook the large companies behind the KeSPA teams (Samsung, SK Telecom, Korea Telecom, CJ, ...) about this whole affair? Some of them are also global enterprises on the worldwide stage and they probably don't realize how the rest of the world is looking at the Korean SC2 scene. Maybe it will have an effect on them. After all, this isn't really resolved yet for sure.
I twittered samsung, I don't know the email to complain to them or I would, I don't know if any of the other ones are global. If possible we should make a thread with the contact info of all the international KESPA companies so everyone can contact them. I'm sure once they see real world ramifications for their behaviour outside of just esports they might think differently. Hell I don't use reddit, but I think posting the contact info of all the multinational corporations involved with KESPA on reddit and TL will be helpful.
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On August 25 2012 07:53 MCXD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 07:38 Xiphos wrote:On August 25 2012 07:21 Damnight wrote:
KeSPA is stuck in 2006, evolve please and embrace the international scene Oo They are not ready though. See the fast approaching PlayOff is coming. Lots of teams will priotize that over anything else.
And if players are not focused on it, then results will suffer.Someone gave an example of coaching asking B-teamer to help A-teamers practicing for PL but then B-teamer will be too preocuppied with GSL qualifiers. In that case, it is understandable why the teams have made such decision. Abide by the team's rule = sure salary going to GSL = a financial risk. I'm sure that how RorO thought of it when the interviewers touched upon the topic. Then that's an in-team issue, not a KeSPA issue, as far as I can see. The coaches discuss that with their teams, not some suits in a penthouse. It's just like the GSL/GSTL vs. MLG/IPL/DH. SlayerS (for example) themselves decide whether or not Ryung is better off focusing on GSTL or going out to that MLG. GOM or the ESF don't decide that in their place.
The PL is much more important for the Kespa teams, than the GSTL for Gom teams. I am not really sure how much damage this OSL boycott will be dealt to Kespa. It not their tournament, its OGN tournament. For Kespa the PL is the most important thing. Anyway, time will tell if those ESF-player will remain better players in the future or not. If not than the move was probably a bad move. The move will be only be succesful, if Kespa guys think those players have value for them in the future. If not they can't care less.
But i think it was a smart move by ESF, because now they are considered as the best SC2 players, but in the future who knows.
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On August 25 2012 08:04 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 07:57 Proseat wrote:
So did anyone email or contact on Twitter/Facebook the large companies behind the KeSPA teams (Samsung, SK Telecom, Korea Telecom, CJ, ...) about this whole affair? Some of them are also global enterprises on the worldwide stage and they probably don't realize how the rest of the world is looking at the Korean SC2 scene. Maybe it will have an effect on them. After all, this isn't really resolved yet for sure.
I twittered samsung, I don't know the email to complain to them or I would, I don't know if any of the other ones are global. If possible we should make a thread with the contact info of all the international KESPA companies so everyone can contact them. I'm sure once they see real world ramifications for their behaviour outside of just esports they might think differently. Hell I don't use reddit, but I think posting the contact info of all the multinational corporations involved with KESPA on reddit and TL will be helpful.
Yeah would be nice. Kind of hard to even look through company websites to find a contact email for complaints >_>
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I have a feeling Kespa only made this statement so GSL players participate in the OSL, without actually meaning to fullfill it.
Once this OSL is over, they'll once again revoke their decision and not play the GSL after all. Kespa are the worst kind of people.
If I was GOM, I'd say: "Great, GSL players will participate in the OSL that comes after this one. Looking forward to it!"
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thats great new will be some epic match ups Bisu vs Hero ohhh only in my dreams
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On August 25 2012 08:10 niteReloaded wrote:
I have a feeling Kespa only made this statement so GSL players participate in the OSL, without actually meaning to fullfill it.
Once this OSL is over, they'll once again revoke their decision and not play the GSL after all. Kespa are the worst kind of people.
If I was GOM, I'd say: "Great, GSL players will participate in the OSL that comes after this one. Looking forward to it!"
Except GOM would not be able to make that kind of statement. The player's union ESF would.
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On August 25 2012 07:57 Proseat wrote:
So did anyone email or contact on Twitter/Facebook the large companies behind the KeSPA teams (Samsung, SK Telecom, Korea Telecom, CJ, ...) about this whole affair? Some of them are also global enterprises on the worldwide stage and they probably don't realize how the rest of the world is looking at the Korean SC2 scene. Maybe it will have an effect on them. After all, this isn't really resolved yet for sure.
I emailed Samsung saying: "Mr. Samsung....uh....an organization you sponsored is trying to bring down its competitor and we think that this is unacceptable".
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On August 25 2012 08:09 Random_Guy09 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 08:04 hunts wrote:On August 25 2012 07:57 Proseat wrote:
So did anyone email or contact on Twitter/Facebook the large companies behind the KeSPA teams (Samsung, SK Telecom, Korea Telecom, CJ, ...) about this whole affair? Some of them are also global enterprises on the worldwide stage and they probably don't realize how the rest of the world is looking at the Korean SC2 scene. Maybe it will have an effect on them. After all, this isn't really resolved yet for sure.
I twittered samsung, I don't know the email to complain to them or I would, I don't know if any of the other ones are global. If possible we should make a thread with the contact info of all the international KESPA companies so everyone can contact them. I'm sure once they see real world ramifications for their behaviour outside of just esports they might think differently. Hell I don't use reddit, but I think posting the contact info of all the multinational corporations involved with KESPA on reddit and TL will be helpful. Yeah would be nice. Kind of hard to even look through company websites to find a contact email for complaints >_>
I found these websites (usually have Twitter/Facebook icons and/or a contact form):
http://eng.cjcheiljedang.com/
http://www.samsung.com/
http://www.sktelecom.com/
http://www.kt.com/eng/main.jsp
http://www.woongjin.com/English/index.aspx
http://www.stx.co.kr/FrontEN/
There is also the KeSPA website (with Twitter link):
http://www.e-sports.or.kr/
If you do contact any of them, be civil about it.
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Wish they would just let the players play. There are some very good kespa players now. Just a little more time!
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They're just saying that so ESF doesn't pull out their players from current OSL.. they won't actually go ahead and do it..if people have not realised how these guys work yet, i don't know how they run their business..
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Glad to see this seems to have worked out. Kespa needs to be forced to play fair if they want to have a working relationship with any other established esports organization.
Didn't hear about the threatened boycott, but I'm glad that happened. I think the call from a very surprised and upset blizzard might have also helped.
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On August 25 2012 08:43 Haydin wrote:
Glad to see this seems to have worked out. Kespa needs to be forced to play fair if they want to have a working relationship with any other established esports organization.
Didn't hear about the threatened boycott, but I'm glad that happened. I think the call from a very surprised and upset blizzard might have also helped.
Except it has not worked out yet. This was not a joint annoucement by ESF and KeSPA. ESF has not said they are going back to OSL. KeSPA is still not participating in GSL 4. This is pure PR damage control by KeSPA, and I despise them even more for it. I hope ESF won't fall for a silly trick such as this, unless they have signed a written agreement with KeSPA.
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On August 24 2012 22:13 pallad wrote:
Thank god , end of this drama
bate and switch! :D
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On August 25 2012 06:40 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 06:20 mongmong wrote:
To those who keep saying bs like
"kespa pays a lot of salaries to players!!"
hell yeah its true but its only limited to big names like flash and jaedong
b-teamers get almost nothing and average players get a salary of around $400 per month
+ they cant stream or anything so no other earnings included.I dunno what to say if you think getting 400 per
month is enough considering they practice 12 hours day nonstop They also get room and board included, and of course they can't stream, because they have responsibilities towards the team that is employing them. They also get bonuses for performance, and always a chance to end up with a higher salary later once they actually become good. And anyway, if they don't like the arrangement, they know where the e-stadium is at Sindorim for GSL qualifiers.
Well, didn`t the biger part of the KeSPA players escaped after SC2 appeared?
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Seriously, OP or some mod needs to add ", but not season 4" into the title.
The way the thread is titled it implies that everything is fine and dandy again, which obviously isn't if anyone with half a brain reads carefully. 
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So let me get this straight.
The Kespa people didn't want their players playing in GSL, so they pulled their people, ESF responed by pulling their people out of OSL, but then kespa decided to let their people play in GSL Season 5, and ESF responds by allowing them to play in OSL? I'm understanding this correctly? If so, I'm glad its all been worked out. I really hate how leagues are starting to form alliances and such and attempting to keep players out of tournaments and the like. Crap like that could kill SC2 for real.
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