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On August 24 2012 22:30 Str1keFreedom wrote:
To everyone who believes the statements from Kespa have to look back in the past.
When Kespa boycotted Gretech back in broodwar days, they clearly stated that they may join future leagues. They didnt even give Gretech a wink after the boycott. Right now no one in Korea believes this statement from Kespa.
Also do not believe in Fomos. It is the main media that Kespa uses to communicate with people and it always gets trashed by korean Netizens for its bias and inaccuracy. Fomos is the same organization that trashed Boxer and Nada calling them "prize money hunter" for leaving kespa for sc2.
Mr. Chae tweeted 2hrs ago , "Something that happened once may not occur. But something that happened twice will most definitely occur." He is talking about Kespa. This happened before, happened again, and bound to happen more times in the future.
This is quite a serious problem that relates to monoplization of esports in korea, and this will affect foreign tournaments as well if we let Kespa have it their way. Many of the enjoyment of foreign tournament comes from Foreigner vs Koreans, and if GomTV loses this fight who knows the future of the GomTV players and their sponsorship.
Please do not fall for Kespa's vile words and support Gom through this unforgivable situation that happened once again.
Edit: For people who say Kespa players have killer schedule, please dont fall for that...
Remember before MBCGames was disbanded Kespa players had dealt with multiple leagues and had no problems. Side projects? they do that all the time. Think about it. Not all players in Kespa will qualify for WCG, WCS, MLG, GSL etc... So why take away chances of players of qualifying for certain competition when eliminated from the other. It does not make sense.
thanks for that insight
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I think we should leave the allegations of illegal activity for others who are actually aware of Korean Law to pursue, IMHO.
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On August 25 2012 06:17 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 06:15 Wpgstevo wrote:
So you are quoting united states law for a korean company? Wow. well I was just quoting a quick wiki link to what antitrust meansunless you're talking to the guy who introduced the topic durr
I thought antitrust laws exists in most countries? Truth is, there isn't enough grounds for sueing yet, unless someone can gather enough evidence on KeSPA.
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To those who keep saying bs like
"kespa pays a lot of salaries to players!!"
hell yeah its true but its only limited to big names like flash and jaedong
b-teamers get almost nothing and average players get a salary of around $400 per month
+ they cant stream or anything so no other earnings included.I dunno what to say if you think getting 400 per
month is enough considering they practice 12 hours day nonstop
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to those who thinks this is solved.
KeSPA stated that they are going to participate in GSL season 5 which is after GSL season 4 that is coming soon. This means that KeSPA players are still not going to be in the upcoming GSL. Most of Koreans see this as an immediate remedy, i guess, to save the OSL which KeSPA always participated. After this season of OSL goes on with players from both sides, no one knows if KeSPA is going to announce again that they are not going to participate in GSL S5.
I think this announcement from KeSPA has a lot of potential to be another controversy.
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On August 25 2012 06:21 f1ihigh wrote:
to those who thinks this is solved.
KeSPA stated that they are going to participate in GSL season 5 which is after GSL season 4 that is coming soon. This means that KeSPA players are still not going to be in the upcoming GSL. Most of Koreans see this as an immediate remedy, i guess, to save the OSL which KeSPA always participated. After this season of OSL goes on with players from both sides, no one knows if KeSPA is going to announce again that they are not going to participate in GSL S5.
I think this announcement from KeSPA has a lot of potential to be another controversy.
We also have not heard from ESF, which I think is the bigger deal. They might say they aren't ready for OSL and will participate next season. Truth be told, I hope this OSL falls through. Would have done great damage to KeSPA's armour.
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On August 25 2012 06:23 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 06:21 f1ihigh wrote:
to those who thinks this is solved.
KeSPA stated that they are going to participate in GSL season 5 which is after GSL season 4 that is coming soon. This means that KeSPA players are still not going to be in the upcoming GSL. Most of Koreans see this as an immediate remedy, i guess, to save the OSL which KeSPA always participated. After this season of OSL goes on with players from both sides, no one knows if KeSPA is going to announce again that they are not going to participate in GSL S5.
I think this announcement from KeSPA has a lot of potential to be another controversy. We also have not heard from ESF, which I think is the bigger deal. They might say they aren't ready for OSL and will participate next season. Truth be told, I hope this OSL falls through. Would have done great damage to KeSPA's armour.
that's true. I just wanted to let people know that this issue is not solved yet.
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On August 25 2012 06:23 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 06:21 f1ihigh wrote:
to those who thinks this is solved.
KeSPA stated that they are going to participate in GSL season 5 which is after GSL season 4 that is coming soon. This means that KeSPA players are still not going to be in the upcoming GSL. Most of Koreans see this as an immediate remedy, i guess, to save the OSL which KeSPA always participated. After this season of OSL goes on with players from both sides, no one knows if KeSPA is going to announce again that they are not going to participate in GSL S5.
I think this announcement from KeSPA has a lot of potential to be another controversy. We also have not heard from ESF, which I think is the bigger deal. They might say they aren't ready for OSL and will participate next season. Truth be told, I hope this OSL falls through. Would have done great damage to KeSPA's armour.
They are already in, how can they say they are not ready for OSL, that's not a good excuse. Better brainstorm a good one fast.
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On August 25 2012 06:27 ElephantBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 06:23 achan1058 wrote:On August 25 2012 06:21 f1ihigh wrote:
to those who thinks this is solved.
KeSPA stated that they are going to participate in GSL season 5 which is after GSL season 4 that is coming soon. This means that KeSPA players are still not going to be in the upcoming GSL. Most of Koreans see this as an immediate remedy, i guess, to save the OSL which KeSPA always participated. After this season of OSL goes on with players from both sides, no one knows if KeSPA is going to announce again that they are not going to participate in GSL S5.
I think this announcement from KeSPA has a lot of potential to be another controversy. We also have not heard from ESF, which I think is the bigger deal. They might say they aren't ready for OSL and will participate next season. Truth be told, I hope this OSL falls through. Would have done great damage to KeSPA's armour. They are already in, how can they say they are not ready for OSL, that's not a good excuse. Better brainstorm a good one fast.
I was being sarcastic about the excuse.
Edit: Actually, now to think of it, it is a good excuse. It would show a point on just how much BS is KeSPA's excuse is.
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Not solved for sure, the ESF should rejoin OSL only if kespa removed all restrictions. Or, to make it fair, if Kespa joins GSL season 5, ESF will join OSL at the same time, not before.
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On August 25 2012 06:28 Ganondorf wrote:
Not solved for sure, the ESF should rejoin OSL only if kespa removed all restrictions. Or, to make it fair, if Kespa joins GSL season 5, ESF will join OSL at the same time, not before.
totally agreed
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On August 25 2012 06:20 mongmong wrote:
To those who keep saying bs like
"kespa pays a lot of salaries to players!!"
hell yeah its true but its only limited to big names like flash and jaedong
b-teamers get almost nothing and average players get a salary of around $400 per month
+ they cant stream or anything so no other earnings included.I dunno what to say if you think getting 400 per
month is enough considering they practice 12 hours day nonstop
Interesting. The KESPA players really need some kind of player union
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On August 25 2012 06:20 mongmong wrote:
To those who keep saying bs like
"kespa pays a lot of salaries to players!!"
hell yeah its true but its only limited to big names like flash and jaedong
b-teamers get almost nothing and average players get a salary of around $400 per month
+ they cant stream or anything so no other earnings included.I dunno what to say if you think getting 400 per
month is enough considering they practice 12 hours day nonstop
They also get room and board included, and of course they can't stream, because they have responsibilities towards the team that is employing them. They also get bonuses for performance, and always a chance to end up with a higher salary later once they actually become good. And anyway, if they don't like the arrangement, they know where the e-stadium is at Sindorim for GSL qualifiers.
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I hope ESF does not cave and still boycotts this OSL, if KeSPA says, "next season", ESF should also say "next season".
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KeSPA seems to be a bunch of morons....Denying their players to attend GSL? WTF? Too powerhungry...
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I agree with most of the people here.. bring out the pitchforks! :D Glad to see some BW players in GSL season 5 though.
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The most imbalanced move, the ESF could make, would be to let their players play in the current OSL, get them to place all their players in Ro4 and ongoing. And next season of OSL, they will not be coming back.... GG
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On August 25 2012 06:53 Xulatis wrote:
The most imbalanced move, the ESF could make, would be to let their players play in the current OSL, get them to place all their players in Ro4 and ongoing. And next season of OSL, they will not be coming back.... GG
I don't think that will do ESF any good. People in Korea will still watch OSL more than GSL, just because it is on TV.
Pull out current OSL will do most damage to KeSPA.
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On August 25 2012 06:53 Xulatis wrote:
The most imbalanced move, the ESF could make, would be to let their players play in the current OSL, get them to place all their players in Ro4 and ongoing. And next season of OSL, they will not be coming back.... GG
nice.... :-)
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