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KeSPA Agrees to Participate in GSL Season 5 - Page 24

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anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
August 24 2012 20:36 GMT
#461
Keep in mind that if the ESF didn't pull out of OSL, Kespa wasn't even going to participate in GSL season 5, or any seasons. This shows you that they're completely going against the meeting they had with Blizzard and Gom earlier this year. From looking at Kespa's track record, it'd be safe to assume that they're going to fuck everyone else over if ESF decided to go back to OSL. Until there's a legal binding to get Kespa players to attend GSL season 4 and beyond, this is far from over.
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Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 20:38:54
August 24 2012 20:38 GMT
#462
On August 25 2012 05:36 anrimayu wrote:
Keep in mind that if the ESF didn't pull out of OSL, Kespa wasn't even going to participate in GSL season 5, or any seasons. This shows you that they're completely going against the meeting they had with Blizzard and Gom earlier this year.


How do you know that?
Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
August 24 2012 20:39 GMT
#463
On August 25 2012 05:24 Severedevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 05:20 Novalisk wrote:
On August 25 2012 05:15 Inverse1 wrote:
They shouldn't play in the OSL still. Unless Kespa have agreed to participate in the next GSL, why should ESF participate in the next (current) OSL?


Because there's a BIG difference between not participating in GSL code B and pulling out of the OSL.

Aye.

The analogue would be, KESPA players were seeded into Code S and played in qualifiers for Code S (many qualifying), the round of 32 was played, the round of 16 group ceremonies happened, and then KESPA decided to remove their players from the tournament.

In reality, KESPA declined to submit its players to the qualifying tournament for the qualifying tournament for the GSL. They didn't yank the rug out from under an ongoing tournament.


But Kespa announced that after they qualified for the OSL, they had no other option to retaliate.
mrjpark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States276 Posts
August 24 2012 20:41 GMT
#464
On August 24 2012 22:30 Salazarz wrote:
It's amazing how eager people are to claim that "KeSPA got owned", even though it's more likely than not that they were actually planning to participate in the next GSL season regardless, and all that happened was eSF people throwing a tantrum because they are scared of getting pushed aside.


Well, yeah. It's happened before. They're making sure KeSPA doesn't have the cajones to try that shit again. And honestly, taking 9 players out of a 16 man tourney sucks. If the ESF holds to their boycott, KeSPA/OSL's "legacy" gets tainted with one of the worst professional StarCraft tournaments of all time.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 24 2012 20:42 GMT
#465
On August 25 2012 05:38 Salazarz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 05:36 anrimayu wrote:
Keep in mind that if the ESF didn't pull out of OSL, Kespa wasn't even going to participate in GSL season 5, or any seasons. This shows you that they're completely going against the meeting they had with Blizzard and Gom earlier this year.


How do you know that?


The first announcement did include that Kespa will not attend Season 5.
JiPrime
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada688 Posts
August 24 2012 20:43 GMT
#466
On August 25 2012 05:38 Salazarz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 05:36 anrimayu wrote:
Keep in mind that if the ESF didn't pull out of OSL, Kespa wasn't even going to participate in GSL season 5, or any seasons. This shows you that they're completely going against the meeting they had with Blizzard and Gom earlier this year.


How do you know that?


It's calling being safe rather than sorry, or something like that.
English ain't my mother tongue.
Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
August 24 2012 20:43 GMT
#467
Yay! KeSPA! -.-;;
StarCraft | www.psistorm.com | www.twitter.com/MistakesSC | www.twitch.tv/MistakesSC | Seattle
anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
August 24 2012 20:43 GMT
#468
On August 25 2012 05:38 Salazarz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 05:36 anrimayu wrote:
Keep in mind that if the ESF didn't pull out of OSL, Kespa wasn't even going to participate in GSL season 5, or any seasons. This shows you that they're completely going against the meeting they had with Blizzard and Gom earlier this year.


How do you know that?


source

Then again, that's how corporation works. It's all about the profit. I don't think anyone's too surprised.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5609 Posts
August 24 2012 20:45 GMT
#469
On August 25 2012 05:36 anrimayu wrote:
From looking at Kespa's track record, it'd be safe to assume that they're going to fuck everyone else over if ESF decided to go back to OSL. Until there's a legal binding to get Kespa players to attend GSL season 4 and beyond, this is far from over.

Why is it any of your business what leagues they play in? And how is anyone getting fucked over here?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
August 24 2012 20:46 GMT
#470
Well this was resolved quickly glad to hear it.
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 24 2012 20:47 GMT
#471
On August 25 2012 05:08 ElephantBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 05:04 WArped wrote:
On August 25 2012 05:00 Condor Hero wrote:
On August 25 2012 04:56 ChromeBallz wrote:
So why can't the players themselves decide?

Because they're employees.
Why can't the burger flipper at McDonald's decide what shifts he wants to work?

Most of them hate KeSPA iirc, they can boycott them if they really screw things over in the future - and I hope they will, I would think most of them want SC2 to be successful and they realise they need GOM to do that, so hope they are on GOM's side.


I believe they don't have a union or something similar, because they are just kids, impossible to play politics with big companies. If they are really fed up with KeSPA's behavior, the only thing to do is to retire from proleague teams and then join some GSL teams.

My secret hope: KeSPA players under the leadership of 1 of the big names all join ESF. ESF effectively becomes the player's union for all of SC2.
Blueblister
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden321 Posts
August 24 2012 20:47 GMT
#472
Situation is still bad as not much has changed. Long term issues like Kepsa's ability to shut down competition remains.

Unless Blizzard pulls something off, Gom's only chance would be joining the evil empire, although the smaller competitors still wouldn't be saved. Kespa blocks smaller players like ESV TV from establishing themselves and as soon as Kespa gets the upper hand, eSF's toast. Kespa's long term strategy of controlling the player and leagues through licenses is as valid as it were yesteryear.

I recommend reading Str1keFreedom's first post in this topic.
JiPrime
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada688 Posts
August 24 2012 20:48 GMT
#473
On August 25 2012 05:46 Irave wrote:
Well this was resolved quickly glad to hear it.


It's not resolved. No change of stance from ESF yet.
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
August 24 2012 20:49 GMT
#474
Eh, I can't find any statements saying KeSPA would never participate in GSL, other than them saying they weren't going to play in Season 4 (which by the way, I still think is completely reasonable).
Apus
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand74 Posts
August 24 2012 20:49 GMT
#475
It would be funny if, after all this drama, no Kespa players made it through the qualifiers I'm sure Gom will seed some players though.

This won't be the last shit Kespa pulls though.
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
August 24 2012 20:49 GMT
#476
Awesome to hear, will be cool to watch the players in GSL
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JiPrime
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada688 Posts
August 24 2012 20:50 GMT
#477
On August 25 2012 05:47 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 05:08 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 25 2012 05:04 WArped wrote:
On August 25 2012 05:00 Condor Hero wrote:
On August 25 2012 04:56 ChromeBallz wrote:
So why can't the players themselves decide?

Because they're employees.
Why can't the burger flipper at McDonald's decide what shifts he wants to work?

Most of them hate KeSPA iirc, they can boycott them if they really screw things over in the future - and I hope they will, I would think most of them want SC2 to be successful and they realise they need GOM to do that, so hope they are on GOM's side.


I believe they don't have a union or something similar, because they are just kids, impossible to play politics with big companies. If they are really fed up with KeSPA's behavior, the only thing to do is to retire from proleague teams and then join some GSL teams.

My secret hope: KeSPA players under the leadership of 1 of the big names all join ESF. ESF effectively becomes the player's union for all of SC2.

Calling it now, BoxeR went back to KT so he can "rescue" dissenting KeSPA players and bring them under SlayerS team. :D
Burns
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2300 Posts
August 24 2012 20:50 GMT
#478
kespa is such a bitchy organization, i bet blizzard had to come down hard on them
What do you mean you heard me during the night, these are quiet pants!
lord_nibbler
Profile Joined March 2004
Germany591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 20:51:37
August 24 2012 20:51 GMT
#479
On August 25 2012 05:18 Kal_rA wrote:
Kespa has good intentions (theyre non profit right?).

What the ...?
KeSPA is practically the "Sponsors Union".
They might officially be an independent organization but just like OGN they will always do what the Sponsors (Samsung, SKT, CJ and so on) want.

Their 'good intentions', as you call it, are basically to protect their Sponsor's investment. Now sometimes that coincides with the fan's will but a lot of times it does not.
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 24 2012 20:51 GMT
#480
On August 25 2012 05:49 Nazeron wrote:
Awesome to hear, will be cool to watch the players in GSL

We still don't know yet. This is purely PR damage control by KeSPA.
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