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On August 25 2012 05:50 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 05:47 achan1058 wrote:On August 25 2012 05:08 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 25 2012 05:04 WArped wrote:On August 25 2012 05:00 Condor Hero wrote:On August 25 2012 04:56 ChromeBallz wrote:
So why can't the players themselves decide? Because they're employees. Why can't the burger flipper at McDonald's decide what shifts he wants to work? Most of them hate KeSPA iirc, they can boycott them if they really screw things over in the future - and I hope they will, I would think most of them want SC2 to be successful and they realise they need GOM to do that, so hope they are on GOM's side. I believe they don't have a union or something similar, because they are just kids, impossible to play politics with big companies. If they are really fed up with KeSPA's behavior, the only thing to do is to retire from proleague teams and then join some GSL teams. My secret hope: KeSPA players under the leadership of 1 of the big names all join ESF. ESF effectively becomes the player's union for all of SC2. Calling it now, BoxeR went back to KT so he can "rescue" dissenting KeSPA players and bring them under SlayerS team. :D
Why KT?
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On August 25 2012 05:51 ElephantBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 05:50 JiPrime wrote:On August 25 2012 05:47 achan1058 wrote:On August 25 2012 05:08 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 25 2012 05:04 WArped wrote:On August 25 2012 05:00 Condor Hero wrote:On August 25 2012 04:56 ChromeBallz wrote:
So why can't the players themselves decide? Because they're employees. Why can't the burger flipper at McDonald's decide what shifts he wants to work? Most of them hate KeSPA iirc, they can boycott them if they really screw things over in the future - and I hope they will, I would think most of them want SC2 to be successful and they realise they need GOM to do that, so hope they are on GOM's side. I believe they don't have a union or something similar, because they are just kids, impossible to play politics with big companies. If they are really fed up with KeSPA's behavior, the only thing to do is to retire from proleague teams and then join some GSL teams. My secret hope: KeSPA players under the leadership of 1 of the big names all join ESF. ESF effectively becomes the player's union for all of SC2. Calling it now, BoxeR went back to KT so he can "rescue" dissenting KeSPA players and bring them under SlayerS team. :D Why KT?
I think he meant SKT1
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On August 25 2012 05:49 Salazarz wrote:
Eh, I can't find any statements saying KeSPA would never participate in GSL, other than them saying they weren't going to play in Season 4 (which by the way, I still think is completely reasonable).
kespa will bring gom down if fed players play in osl but gsl doesnt get kespa players
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On August 25 2012 05:51 lord_nibbler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 05:18 Kal_rA wrote:
Kespa has good intentions (theyre non profit right?). What the ...? KeSPA is practically the "Sponsors Union". They might officially be an independent organization but just like OGN they will always do what the Sponsors (Samsung, SKT, CJ and so on) want. Their 'good intentions', as you call it, are basically to protect their Sponsor's investment. Now sometimes that coincides with the fan's will but a lot of times it does not.
Actually they are just like David Stern, always on the team owner's side. Pretty reasonable though.
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On August 25 2012 05:52 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 05:51 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 25 2012 05:50 JiPrime wrote:On August 25 2012 05:47 achan1058 wrote:On August 25 2012 05:08 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 25 2012 05:04 WArped wrote:On August 25 2012 05:00 Condor Hero wrote:On August 25 2012 04:56 ChromeBallz wrote:
So why can't the players themselves decide? Because they're employees. Why can't the burger flipper at McDonald's decide what shifts he wants to work? Most of them hate KeSPA iirc, they can boycott them if they really screw things over in the future - and I hope they will, I would think most of them want SC2 to be successful and they realise they need GOM to do that, so hope they are on GOM's side. I believe they don't have a union or something similar, because they are just kids, impossible to play politics with big companies. If they are really fed up with KeSPA's behavior, the only thing to do is to retire from proleague teams and then join some GSL teams. My secret hope: KeSPA players under the leadership of 1 of the big names all join ESF. ESF effectively becomes the player's union for all of SC2. Calling it now, BoxeR went back to KT so he can "rescue" dissenting KeSPA players and bring them under SlayerS team. :D Why KT? I think he meant SKT1
Yeah I always mix up the two teams, don't know why. 
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dunno this whole kespa thing just makes me angry man... why so much douching around.. i kinda still have the feeling, kespa thinks they are king in esports and can do what they like and id totally not surprised if kespa players will actually NOT be playing gsl 5 in the end..
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On August 25 2012 05:57 fearpLug wrote:
dunno this whole kespa thing just makes me angry man... why so much douching around.. i kinda still have the feeling, kespa thinks they are king in esports and can do what they like and id totally not surprised if kespa players will actually NOT be playing gsl 5 in the end..
Pretty sure it is expected by most, not surprised isn't enough...forgone conclusion, even better.
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On August 24 2012 22:13 Disengaged wrote:For now. It never ends with Kespa.
Agreed but tbh this is kind of a good thing. When two companies ( well in this case two groups kespa/non kespa) compete we can only expect talent to rise faster as things will be less stagnant. Also this will call for the scene to grow as one will want to one up the other in terms of quality whether its talent or production and so on. Drama is a good thing as long as it can be resolved at some point
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On August 25 2012 06:04 LimeNade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:13 Disengaged wrote:On August 24 2012 22:13 pallad wrote:
Thank good , end of this drama For now. It never ends with Kespa. Agreed but tbh this is kind of a good thing. When two companies ( well in this case two groups kespa/non kespa) compete we can only expect talent to rise faster as things will be less stagnant. Also this will call for the scene to grow as one will want to one up the other in terms of quality whether its talent or production and so on. Drama is a good thing as long as it can be resolved at some point
I disagree. KeSPA is making anti-competitive moves, and that is never a good thing. Healthy competition is good. Illegal law-breaking action is bad.
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Law-breaking is by definition illegal, so that was a kind of redundant way of phrasing it.
What about this is illegal?
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On August 25 2012 06:05 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 06:04 LimeNade wrote:On August 24 2012 22:13 Disengaged wrote:On August 24 2012 22:13 pallad wrote:
Thank good , end of this drama For now. It never ends with Kespa. Agreed but tbh this is kind of a good thing. When two companies ( well in this case two groups kespa/non kespa) compete we can only expect talent to rise faster as things will be less stagnant. Also this will call for the scene to grow as one will want to one up the other in terms of quality whether its talent or production and so on. Drama is a good thing as long as it can be resolved at some point I disagree. KeSPA is making anti-competitive moves, and that is never a good thing. Healthy competition is good. Illegal law-breaking action is bad.
How is that illegal law-breaking action?
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On August 25 2012 06:07 ElephantBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 06:05 achan1058 wrote:On August 25 2012 06:04 LimeNade wrote:On August 24 2012 22:13 Disengaged wrote:On August 24 2012 22:13 pallad wrote:
Thank good , end of this drama For now. It never ends with Kespa. Agreed but tbh this is kind of a good thing. When two companies ( well in this case two groups kespa/non kespa) compete we can only expect talent to rise faster as things will be less stagnant. Also this will call for the scene to grow as one will want to one up the other in terms of quality whether its talent or production and so on. Drama is a good thing as long as it can be resolved at some point I disagree. KeSPA is making anti-competitive moves, and that is never a good thing. Healthy competition is good. Illegal law-breaking action is bad. How is that illegal law-breaking action?
No matter how you sugar coat it, KeSPA's action is anti-trust.
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On August 25 2012 06:08 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 06:07 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 25 2012 06:05 achan1058 wrote:On August 25 2012 06:04 LimeNade wrote:On August 24 2012 22:13 Disengaged wrote:On August 24 2012 22:13 pallad wrote:
Thank good , end of this drama For now. It never ends with Kespa. Agreed but tbh this is kind of a good thing. When two companies ( well in this case two groups kespa/non kespa) compete we can only expect talent to rise faster as things will be less stagnant. Also this will call for the scene to grow as one will want to one up the other in terms of quality whether its talent or production and so on. Drama is a good thing as long as it can be resolved at some point I disagree. KeSPA is making anti-competitive moves, and that is never a good thing. Healthy competition is good. Illegal law-breaking action is bad. How is that illegal law-breaking action? No matter how you sugar coat it, KeSPA's action is anti-trust.
What trust do they have on each other before? At least show some oral agreement.
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On August 25 2012 06:09 ElephantBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 06:08 achan1058 wrote:On August 25 2012 06:07 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 25 2012 06:05 achan1058 wrote:On August 25 2012 06:04 LimeNade wrote:On August 24 2012 22:13 Disengaged wrote:On August 24 2012 22:13 pallad wrote:
Thank good , end of this drama For now. It never ends with Kespa. Agreed but tbh this is kind of a good thing. When two companies ( well in this case two groups kespa/non kespa) compete we can only expect talent to rise faster as things will be less stagnant. Also this will call for the scene to grow as one will want to one up the other in terms of quality whether its talent or production and so on. Drama is a good thing as long as it can be resolved at some point I disagree. KeSPA is making anti-competitive moves, and that is never a good thing. Healthy competition is good. Illegal law-breaking action is bad. How is that illegal law-breaking action? No matter how you sugar coat it, KeSPA's action is anti-trust. What trust do they have on each other before? At least show some oral agreement.
Oops, I don't meant to have the hyphen there. Antitrust does not mean companies trusting each other.
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On August 25 2012 06:09 ElephantBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 06:08 achan1058 wrote:On August 25 2012 06:07 ElephantBaby wrote:On August 25 2012 06:05 achan1058 wrote:On August 25 2012 06:04 LimeNade wrote:On August 24 2012 22:13 Disengaged wrote:On August 24 2012 22:13 pallad wrote:
Thank good , end of this drama For now. It never ends with Kespa. Agreed but tbh this is kind of a good thing. When two companies ( well in this case two groups kespa/non kespa) compete we can only expect talent to rise faster as things will be less stagnant. Also this will call for the scene to grow as one will want to one up the other in terms of quality whether its talent or production and so on. Drama is a good thing as long as it can be resolved at some point I disagree. KeSPA is making anti-competitive moves, and that is never a good thing. Healthy competition is good. Illegal law-breaking action is bad. How is that illegal law-breaking action? No matter how you sugar coat it, KeSPA's action is anti-trust. What trust do they have on each other before? At least show some oral agreement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_law
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On August 25 2012 06:06 Wpgstevo wrote:
Law-breaking is by definition illegal, so that was a kind of redundant way of phrasing it.
What about this is illegal?
Dem illegal law-breaking big giant corporation businesses.
Buncha shady bastards imo.
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So you are quoting united states law for a korean company? Wow.
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On August 25 2012 06:15 Wpgstevo wrote:
So you are quoting united states law for a korean company? Wow.
well I was just quoting a quick wiki link to what antitrust means
unless you're talking to the guy who introduced the topic
durr
EDIT: also oh lol http://www.apeccp.org.tw/
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