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KeSPA Agrees to Participate in GSL Season 5 - Page 25

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ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
August 24 2012 20:51 GMT
#481
On August 25 2012 05:50 JiPrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 05:47 achan1058 wrote:
On August 25 2012 05:08 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 25 2012 05:04 WArped wrote:
On August 25 2012 05:00 Condor Hero wrote:
On August 25 2012 04:56 ChromeBallz wrote:
So why can't the players themselves decide?

Because they're employees.
Why can't the burger flipper at McDonald's decide what shifts he wants to work?

Most of them hate KeSPA iirc, they can boycott them if they really screw things over in the future - and I hope they will, I would think most of them want SC2 to be successful and they realise they need GOM to do that, so hope they are on GOM's side.


I believe they don't have a union or something similar, because they are just kids, impossible to play politics with big companies. If they are really fed up with KeSPA's behavior, the only thing to do is to retire from proleague teams and then join some GSL teams.

My secret hope: KeSPA players under the leadership of 1 of the big names all join ESF. ESF effectively becomes the player's union for all of SC2.

Calling it now, BoxeR went back to KT so he can "rescue" dissenting KeSPA players and bring them under SlayerS team. :D


Why KT?
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 24 2012 20:52 GMT
#482
On August 25 2012 05:51 ElephantBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 05:50 JiPrime wrote:
On August 25 2012 05:47 achan1058 wrote:
On August 25 2012 05:08 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 25 2012 05:04 WArped wrote:
On August 25 2012 05:00 Condor Hero wrote:
On August 25 2012 04:56 ChromeBallz wrote:
So why can't the players themselves decide?

Because they're employees.
Why can't the burger flipper at McDonald's decide what shifts he wants to work?

Most of them hate KeSPA iirc, they can boycott them if they really screw things over in the future - and I hope they will, I would think most of them want SC2 to be successful and they realise they need GOM to do that, so hope they are on GOM's side.


I believe they don't have a union or something similar, because they are just kids, impossible to play politics with big companies. If they are really fed up with KeSPA's behavior, the only thing to do is to retire from proleague teams and then join some GSL teams.

My secret hope: KeSPA players under the leadership of 1 of the big names all join ESF. ESF effectively becomes the player's union for all of SC2.

Calling it now, BoxeR went back to KT so he can "rescue" dissenting KeSPA players and bring them under SlayerS team. :D


Why KT?

I think he meant SKT1
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 24 2012 20:52 GMT
#483
On August 25 2012 05:49 Salazarz wrote:
Eh, I can't find any statements saying KeSPA would never participate in GSL, other than them saying they weren't going to play in Season 4 (which by the way, I still think is completely reasonable).

kespa will bring gom down if fed players play in osl but gsl doesnt get kespa players
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
August 24 2012 20:52 GMT
#484
On August 25 2012 05:51 lord_nibbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 05:18 Kal_rA wrote:
Kespa has good intentions (theyre non profit right?).

What the ...?
KeSPA is practically the "Sponsors Union".
They might officially be an independent organization but just like OGN they will always do what the Sponsors (Samsung, SKT, CJ and so on) want.

Their 'good intentions', as you call it, are basically to protect their Sponsor's investment. Now sometimes that coincides with the fan's will but a lot of times it does not.


Actually they are just like David Stern, always on the team owner's side. Pretty reasonable though.
JiPrime
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada688 Posts
August 24 2012 20:54 GMT
#485
On August 25 2012 05:52 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 05:51 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 25 2012 05:50 JiPrime wrote:
On August 25 2012 05:47 achan1058 wrote:
On August 25 2012 05:08 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 25 2012 05:04 WArped wrote:
On August 25 2012 05:00 Condor Hero wrote:
On August 25 2012 04:56 ChromeBallz wrote:
So why can't the players themselves decide?

Because they're employees.
Why can't the burger flipper at McDonald's decide what shifts he wants to work?

Most of them hate KeSPA iirc, they can boycott them if they really screw things over in the future - and I hope they will, I would think most of them want SC2 to be successful and they realise they need GOM to do that, so hope they are on GOM's side.


I believe they don't have a union or something similar, because they are just kids, impossible to play politics with big companies. If they are really fed up with KeSPA's behavior, the only thing to do is to retire from proleague teams and then join some GSL teams.

My secret hope: KeSPA players under the leadership of 1 of the big names all join ESF. ESF effectively becomes the player's union for all of SC2.

Calling it now, BoxeR went back to KT so he can "rescue" dissenting KeSPA players and bring them under SlayerS team. :D


Why KT?

I think he meant SKT1

Yeah I always mix up the two teams, don't know why.
fearpLug
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany153 Posts
August 24 2012 20:57 GMT
#486
dunno this whole kespa thing just makes me angry man... why so much douching around.. i kinda still have the feeling, kespa thinks they are king in esports and can do what they like and id totally not surprised if kespa players will actually NOT be playing gsl 5 in the end..
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
August 24 2012 21:02 GMT
#487
On August 25 2012 05:57 fearpLug wrote:
dunno this whole kespa thing just makes me angry man... why so much douching around.. i kinda still have the feeling, kespa thinks they are king in esports and can do what they like and id totally not surprised if kespa players will actually NOT be playing gsl 5 in the end..


Pretty sure it is expected by most, not surprised isn't enough...forgone conclusion, even better.
🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Bamm
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden279 Posts
August 24 2012 21:04 GMT
#488
OMG YES!!! :D
Bamm and the dirt is gone!
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
August 24 2012 21:04 GMT
#489
On August 24 2012 22:13 Disengaged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:13 pallad wrote:
Thank good , end of this drama


For now.

It never ends with Kespa.


Agreed but tbh this is kind of a good thing. When two companies ( well in this case two groups kespa/non kespa) compete we can only expect talent to rise faster as things will be less stagnant. Also this will call for the scene to grow as one will want to one up the other in terms of quality whether its talent or production and so on. Drama is a good thing as long as it can be resolved at some point
JD, need I say more? :D
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 24 2012 21:05 GMT
#490
On August 25 2012 06:04 LimeNade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:13 Disengaged wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:13 pallad wrote:
Thank good , end of this drama


For now.

It never ends with Kespa.


Agreed but tbh this is kind of a good thing. When two companies ( well in this case two groups kespa/non kespa) compete we can only expect talent to rise faster as things will be less stagnant. Also this will call for the scene to grow as one will want to one up the other in terms of quality whether its talent or production and so on. Drama is a good thing as long as it can be resolved at some point

I disagree. KeSPA is making anti-competitive moves, and that is never a good thing. Healthy competition is good. Illegal law-breaking action is bad.
Wpgstevo
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada79 Posts
August 24 2012 21:06 GMT
#491
Law-breaking is by definition illegal, so that was a kind of redundant way of phrasing it.

What about this is illegal?
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
August 24 2012 21:07 GMT
#492
On August 25 2012 06:05 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 06:04 LimeNade wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:13 Disengaged wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:13 pallad wrote:
Thank good , end of this drama


For now.

It never ends with Kespa.


Agreed but tbh this is kind of a good thing. When two companies ( well in this case two groups kespa/non kespa) compete we can only expect talent to rise faster as things will be less stagnant. Also this will call for the scene to grow as one will want to one up the other in terms of quality whether its talent or production and so on. Drama is a good thing as long as it can be resolved at some point

I disagree. KeSPA is making anti-competitive moves, and that is never a good thing. Healthy competition is good. Illegal law-breaking action is bad.


How is that illegal law-breaking action?
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 24 2012 21:08 GMT
#493
On August 25 2012 06:07 ElephantBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 06:05 achan1058 wrote:
On August 25 2012 06:04 LimeNade wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:13 Disengaged wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:13 pallad wrote:
Thank good , end of this drama


For now.

It never ends with Kespa.


Agreed but tbh this is kind of a good thing. When two companies ( well in this case two groups kespa/non kespa) compete we can only expect talent to rise faster as things will be less stagnant. Also this will call for the scene to grow as one will want to one up the other in terms of quality whether its talent or production and so on. Drama is a good thing as long as it can be resolved at some point

I disagree. KeSPA is making anti-competitive moves, and that is never a good thing. Healthy competition is good. Illegal law-breaking action is bad.


How is that illegal law-breaking action?

No matter how you sugar coat it, KeSPA's action is anti-trust.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 21:10:22
August 24 2012 21:09 GMT
#494
On August 25 2012 06:08 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 06:07 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 25 2012 06:05 achan1058 wrote:
On August 25 2012 06:04 LimeNade wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:13 Disengaged wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:13 pallad wrote:
Thank good , end of this drama


For now.

It never ends with Kespa.


Agreed but tbh this is kind of a good thing. When two companies ( well in this case two groups kespa/non kespa) compete we can only expect talent to rise faster as things will be less stagnant. Also this will call for the scene to grow as one will want to one up the other in terms of quality whether its talent or production and so on. Drama is a good thing as long as it can be resolved at some point

I disagree. KeSPA is making anti-competitive moves, and that is never a good thing. Healthy competition is good. Illegal law-breaking action is bad.


How is that illegal law-breaking action?

No matter how you sugar coat it, KeSPA's action is anti-trust.


What trust do they have on each other before? At least show some oral agreement.
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 24 2012 21:10 GMT
#495
On August 25 2012 06:09 ElephantBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 06:08 achan1058 wrote:
On August 25 2012 06:07 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 25 2012 06:05 achan1058 wrote:
On August 25 2012 06:04 LimeNade wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:13 Disengaged wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:13 pallad wrote:
Thank good , end of this drama


For now.

It never ends with Kespa.


Agreed but tbh this is kind of a good thing. When two companies ( well in this case two groups kespa/non kespa) compete we can only expect talent to rise faster as things will be less stagnant. Also this will call for the scene to grow as one will want to one up the other in terms of quality whether its talent or production and so on. Drama is a good thing as long as it can be resolved at some point

I disagree. KeSPA is making anti-competitive moves, and that is never a good thing. Healthy competition is good. Illegal law-breaking action is bad.


How is that illegal law-breaking action?

No matter how you sugar coat it, KeSPA's action is anti-trust.


What trust do they have on each other before? At least show some oral agreement.

Oops, I don't meant to have the hyphen there. Antitrust does not mean companies trusting each other.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
August 24 2012 21:12 GMT
#496
On August 25 2012 06:09 ElephantBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 06:08 achan1058 wrote:
On August 25 2012 06:07 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 25 2012 06:05 achan1058 wrote:
On August 25 2012 06:04 LimeNade wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:13 Disengaged wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:13 pallad wrote:
Thank good , end of this drama


For now.

It never ends with Kespa.


Agreed but tbh this is kind of a good thing. When two companies ( well in this case two groups kespa/non kespa) compete we can only expect talent to rise faster as things will be less stagnant. Also this will call for the scene to grow as one will want to one up the other in terms of quality whether its talent or production and so on. Drama is a good thing as long as it can be resolved at some point

I disagree. KeSPA is making anti-competitive moves, and that is never a good thing. Healthy competition is good. Illegal law-breaking action is bad.


How is that illegal law-breaking action?

No matter how you sugar coat it, KeSPA's action is anti-trust.


What trust do they have on each other before? At least show some oral agreement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_law
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
August 24 2012 21:14 GMT
#497
On August 25 2012 06:06 Wpgstevo wrote:
Law-breaking is by definition illegal, so that was a kind of redundant way of phrasing it.

What about this is illegal?

Dem illegal law-breaking big giant corporation businesses.

Buncha shady bastards imo.
Wpgstevo
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada79 Posts
August 24 2012 21:15 GMT
#498
So you are quoting united states law for a korean company? Wow.
Wounded31
Profile Joined October 2011
124 Posts
August 24 2012 21:16 GMT
#499
well ok!
MKP!
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 21:19:39
August 24 2012 21:17 GMT
#500
On August 25 2012 06:15 Wpgstevo wrote:
So you are quoting united states law for a korean company? Wow.

well I was just quoting a quick wiki link to what antitrust means

unless you're talking to the guy who introduced the topic

durr

EDIT: also oh lol http://www.apeccp.org.tw/
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
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