EPTKeSPA Agrees to Participate in GSL Season 5 - Page 19
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jimbob615
Uruguay455 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:13 gedatsu wrote: How come this "Korean cultural value thing" applies to GSL4 but not to GSL5? Because they did say they will participate in GSL5. Somehow everyone was telling me that there was no reason to trust that they really meant it. Because Kespa never made a statement that they would partake in GSL4. Obviously, many people (including the players themselves) were expecting them to. But to go back on an official statement would not be taken too lightly. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32282 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:15 jimbob615 wrote: i hope Blizzard bans KeSPA for life, so that they can piss off, and all the old sc1 players are forced to find new teams or retire. loool | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:14 rj rl wrote: Why is all this shit about "let those poor players decide their destiny", while those players are pretty much a bunch of 18-yo kids, they could have wanted to bathe in champagne with fangirls, it's big companies who cover their asses paying big moneys etc. so players should just do what theyve been told to do or fucking quit and join EG or something. Guess what they chose. It's not about "liberte, egalite, let them do what they want" crap after, it's all about business and kespa is fucking grandmaster therein. Except KeSPA does not have the interest of the players in mind. If they are a play/team union like ESF, that's another story. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:06 Jormundr wrote: Wrong. If Kespa agrees to allow players to play through GSL 4 after this whole fiasco, and then they back out, they would lose enough face that they would endanger most of their sponsorships. It's a Korean cultural value thing. You don't want your business to look like scum (at least not completely). The reason why they have to occur at the same time is this: The OSL has an audience. It is at least partially exclusive from the audience that the GSL has. This audience is based in KR. The GSL has an audience. It is at least partially exclusive from the audience that the OSL has. This is an international audience. Both tournaments want to have the widest audience possible because this generates revenue for their sponsors. By having GSL players attend OSL, the OSL gains some of the regular viewers of the GSL, as well as the fans of the individual GSL players attending. The same reasoning works for OSL players attending GSL 4. By changing their decision on allowing OSL players into GSL 4, Kespa breaks a mutually beneficially agreement, and then says "Oh sorry about that, we'll just use your players for our publicity in OSL and we might throw you a bone next GSL." Are we continuing to forget the fact their biggest sponsors are directly tied to KeSPA. Like come guys. I don't know how many times I have to repeat it. Yes it doesn't look good on them to everyone else, but there is some method to their madness. Not saying I agree with it. They're only looking out for themselves. | ||
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00Visor
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Quarz
448 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:14 rj rl wrote: Why is all this shit about "let those poor players decide their destiny", while those players are pretty much a bunch of 18-yo kids, they could have wanted to bathe in champagne with fangirls, it's big companies who cover their asses paying big moneys etc. so players should just do what theyve been told to do or fucking quit and join EG or something. Guess what they chose. It's not about "liberte, egalite, let them do what they want" crap after, it's all about business and kespa is fucking grandmaster therein. No big companies like Samsung should selfless develop E-Sports and should support the white Knights GOM and Blizzard. | ||
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gedatsu
1286 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:15 vthree wrote: Because Kespa never made a statement that they would partake in GSL4. Obviously, many people (including the players themselves) were expecting them to. But to go back on a statement would not be taken too lightly. Read the chain of quotes. I asked, if Kespa says they agree to partake in GSL4, why would you believe them when you don't believe a promise to partake in GSL5? But I seem to be dealing with people on different sides here. Some say Kespa can never be trusted, some say the Korean culture does not allow for a broken promise. | ||
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:17 Quarz wrote: No big companies like Samsung should selfless develop E-Sports and should support the white Knights GOM and Blizzard. I still don't see why Samsung should stay in KeSPA, the rest of the companies there are domestic only, so there's a conflict of interest. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:15 vthree wrote: Because Kespa never made a statement that they would partake in GSL4. Obviously, many people (including the players themselves) were expecting them to. But to go back on an official statement would not be taken too lightly. the problem is that they prohibit all of their players from competing in the GSL. This is nothing what you could call cooperation. And if you remember a few months ago, Blizzard, Kespa, GOM and OGN announced to cooperate in the future. Well it seems, that "future" ended here... | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:15 jimbob615 wrote: i hope Blizzard bans KeSPA for life, so that they can piss off, and all the old sc1 players are forced to find new teams or retire. Dude!What do u smoke?! | ||
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Jermman
Canada174 Posts
KeSPA is pretty evil. They don't seem to care about the players at all. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:18 gedatsu wrote: Read the chain of quotes. I asked, if Kespa says they agree to partake in GSL4, why would you believe them when you don't believe a promise to partake in GSL5? But I seem to be dealing with people on different sides here. Some say Kespa can never be trusted, some say the Korean culture does not allow for a broken promise. If Kespa decided to take part in GSL, ESF and KeSPA both will have a threat of withdrawing. It would be M.A.D. kind of situation. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:03 Kergy wrote: I agree with you, the best move ESF can make now is play in OSL, Kespa has already backed down and promised they will participate in S5, a formal agreement could be signed to ensure this. It could be considered as their last chance, if they fuck up once again they'd be digging their own grave. I think the decision to play or not in GSL S4 should be made by the individual teams and not Kespa as a whole, let's not forget that half of them still have to play BW for at least another month. Or... Stork could just organize a strike and force a reform, but that's dreaming too much  The problem is how Kespa is interpreting its own statements. They agreed to work together, however they never mentioned their players participating in the GSL Season 4, even though that is what everybody naturally concluded. So while people can blame Kespa of dodgy and dirty strategies, they cannot outright blame them for breaking their word. Even though I do not like Kespa, I do not believe that they will break their word, and this time there is no way of wriggling out like they did this time. However, the ESF claimed that they will boycott all Kespa sanctioned events, until Kespa gives up its blockade, which Kespa has not done yet, despite their statement. They said that their players will participate in s5, but they are still blicking s4, so ESF has no reason to participate in the OSL. | ||
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rj rl
648 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:16 achan1058 wrote: Except KeSPA does not have the interest of the players in mind. If they are a play/team union like ESF, that's another story. there is no such thing as "players interest" or if you want it equals "money" just as ESF interest\KeSPA interest\everyones goddamn interest. Players just want more tourneys because of more profit, but they owe their teams all they have and their teams = their sponsors = KeSPA so why not listen to KeSPA and be good? | ||
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Torra
Norway469 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:14 rj rl wrote: Why is all this shit about "let those poor players decide their destiny", while those players are pretty much a bunch of 18-yo kids, they could have wanted to bathe in champagne with fangirls, it's big companies who cover their asses paying big moneys etc. so players should just do what theyve been told to do or fucking quit and join EG or something. Guess what they chose. It's not about "liberte, egalite, let them do what they want" crap after all, it's all about business and kespa is fucking grandmaster therein. Nope, after what happened to the players with the exact desires you described few years ago, (the matchfixing scandal) I don't think most of the current players are even dreaming of that. If I'm wrong about this, then god help us all and the SC2 scene. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:13 gedatsu wrote: How come this "Korean cultural value thing" applies to GSL4 but not to GSL5? Because they did say they will participate in GSL5. Somehow everyone was telling me that there was no reason to trust that they really meant it. Because the fallout from taking their players out of GSL 4 after OSL is over would be far more severe than if they pulled this exact move again for GSL 5. The other reason that it applies more to GSL 4 is because if Kespa agrees to play GSL 4 then both parties have leverage. For example: I need somewhere to live for a month. You have a house, and I say I will pay you $500 up front to live there for a month. You give me the keys to the house, and then I say that I'm not going to pay you until after the month's over and I've moved to a different country. Are you going to give your keys to a complete stranger (who also has a reputation of being a complete asshole) in the hope that you will get your $500 at the end of the month? Or will you take your keys back? | ||
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