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On August 24 2012 20:32 jellyjello wrote:
Love the responses from Korean fans on the kespa official forum. Kespa have really got themselves into a corner. On the other hand, big props to federation (and Nestea) for showing some balls.
dude PLEASE translate some, or at least give a quick overview of what all are saying please please please
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On August 24 2012 20:32 jellyjello wrote:
Love the responses from Korean fans on the kespa official forum. Kespa have really got themselves into a corner. On the other hand, big props to federation (and Nestea) for showing some balls.
Any links or translations?
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Lotsa pride and ego. Hope they sort this shit out soon.
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On August 24 2012 20:29 Kontys wrote:
It is Lim "NesTea" Jae Deok, not Im "NesTea" Jae Deok. "Lee" and "Lim" are only Romanized with leading "L", in Korean they are actually without "L".  So, "Im" is technically correct, it's just that we are already used to the Romanized version. It's only a minor mistake, in this sense.
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On August 24 2012 20:35 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 20:29 Kontys wrote:
It is Lim "NesTea" Jae Deok, not Im "NesTea" Jae Deok. "Lee" and "Lim" are only Romanized with leading "L", in Korean they are actually without "L". So, "Im" is technically correct, it's just that we are already used to the Romanized version. It's only a minor mistake, in this sense.
How the hell do you know that ? ; )
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I can just imagine all the ESF players sitting in a room thinking of what to do about this
then Nestea says " fuck it we're dropping out of OSL "
made of balls
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On August 24 2012 20:29 Kontys wrote:
It is Lim "NesTea" Jae Deok, not Im "NesTea" Jae Deok.
On topic: Yeah, I don't really see KeSPA playing fair here. For the sake of athletic competition, enter the tournament, please. We've already seen it can't possibly be too terrible.
The L is silent when said, ee young ho, im jae deok, ee jae dong etc etc etc So I dont think it matters much.
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On August 24 2012 20:29 Kontys wrote:
It is Lim "NesTea" Jae Deok, not Im "NesTea" Jae Deok.
On topic: Yeah, I don't really see KeSPA playing fair here. For the sake of athletic competition, enter the tournament, please. We've already seen it can't possibly be too terrible.
It's not even "enter the tournament", it's just "allowing the players who are interested to enter the tournament".
There are plenty of players who would like to try the GSL, but Kespa is denying them the opportunity.
Even B-teamers who according to the following thread, do not get paid by their teams at all: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=126075
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On August 24 2012 20:32 jellyjello wrote:
Love the responses from Korean fans on the kespa official forum. Kespa have really got themselves into a corner. On the other hand, big props to federation (and Nestea) for showing some balls.
Is it possible to have the more interesting posts translated?
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On August 24 2012 20:32 jellyjello wrote:
Love the responses from Korean fans on the kespa official forum. Kespa have really got themselves into a corner. On the other hand, big props to federation (and Nestea) for showing some balls.
link?
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On August 24 2012 20:30 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 20:29 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 20:13 ragz_gt wrote:On August 24 2012 20:10 Lazzi wrote:
I don't know if OSL is on the KeSPa's side, maybe ESF did this move to force OSL to pressure KeSPa too. OSL is part of KeSPA, they sit on KeSPA board. They could break loose from KeSPA but it's HIGHLY unlikely. Can you show which position OGN occupy? + Show Spoiler + They are ON the board of directors (along with all the sponsors/owners to teams) quote FXOBoSs: Show nested quote +1) OGN and KESPA are pretty much the same thing. Their interests are extremely common and 1 company is the common party. http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/post/30093362883/sharpen-the-pitchforks-light-the-torches-kespa-is
Could i have the name of the OGN representative on the board of directors? Am i suppose to take that blog post as fact? Not that it even mentions OGN being on the KeSPA board. I'm not doing this just to be a pain. I've notice you've posted many different things in this thread with conviction and i'm wondering, how does he know this? Why don't i know this?
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On August 24 2012 20:34 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 20:32 jellyjello wrote:
Love the responses from Korean fans on the kespa official forum. Kespa have really got themselves into a corner. On the other hand, big props to federation (and Nestea) for showing some balls. dude PLEASE translate some, or at least give a quick overview of what all are saying please please please
Most are saying why kespa is blocking players to enter a tourney which is open to everyone. Some mention the GOM classic. A lot of anger showing how kespa destroyed BW and now trying to do the same to sc2. A lot of cuss words towards kespa in almost every post lol. Quite a number of ppl stating they will only watch GSL and boycott osl.
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On August 24 2012 20:20 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 20:17 Fyodor wrote:On August 24 2012 20:09 lothar10 wrote:
Anyone know any game theory? If not interested I would skip the rest. If you are, feel free to point out any errors.
This seems like a repeated game of the classic Prisoner's Dilemma
Kespa/OGN on one side and ESF/GOM on the other
Both cooperate with tournament participation and get payoffs of say 3,3
One cooperates and the other doesn't 5,1 - In this case it would be Kespa/OGN getting 5 by having the ESF players still but not giving them to GOM tournaments
Both don't cooperate 1,1
The dominant strategy is to not cooperate/defect which is what both sides have choosen to do at first chance it seems
Although there is an idea of the first game Kespa/OGN defected and ESF/GOM cooperated (when GOM asked for the players and ESF still was giving the players to the OSL)
Seeing that defection, ESF responded with what is known as the "Grim Trigger" strategy which is where cooperation is intially offered until there is defection. If that happens the other side defects and it stays like that forever, both getting a payoff of 1,1. If we had cooperated it would be 3,3 but you defected first and our nice feelings are done.
Game theory ways to get out of this situation?
Unless payoffs change, which could if sponsors react by pulling out money from one side forcing them to change their strategy, the main way is 3rd party involvement. Namely in this case would be Blizzard doing something like saying to both sides 'players must be available to all tournaments if they choose to be or else you will not be allowed to use the servers and therefore not have the tournament'
The third party forces the players into the cooperate & cooperate choice, payoff 3 each, because if they continue to both defect then any defect payoff becomes 0, and cooperate cooperate becomes the dominant strategy .
Just some random thoughts Prisoner's dilemma only happens when the two players don't know each other's strategy. If they know each other's strategy then the game is easily fixed through negotiation. Once Blizzard, GOM and OGN are like "come on man this is BS we all suffer from this so cut the crap" then we should see things get solved. Assuming you are correct about the payoffs though. KeSPA might not see it that way. Maybe gambling on the korean market is the way to go and grab the world market for free once GOM collapses. I doubt they will be able to grab the world market in full, esp if GOM's blood is on their hands. If that ever happens I'd probably just watch IPL, DH, IEM etc. No more Kespa or even MLG for me.
You shouldn't take it so personally. It's just business as usual. And why mlg?
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Truly is perfect that this clashes with Violet passing away. Although, it was just a matter of time before all this would occur, I just hope that this can actually be sorted out for the players involved.
Also, does not KeSPA have like ~20 games or so sanctioned?
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Poor MLG,
First no kespa players this weekend and then they wake up in bed with the new "devil" in SC2.
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On August 24 2012 20:32 jellyjello wrote:
Love the responses from Korean fans on the kespa official forum. Kespa have really got themselves into a corner. On the other hand, big props to federation (and Nestea) for showing some balls.
That's kind of a dick move not to share a link or some quotes :p
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KeSPA and eSF sitting in a tree.. S-H-I-T F-L-U-N-G
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On August 24 2012 20:36 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 20:29 Kontys wrote:
It is Lim "NesTea" Jae Deok, not Im "NesTea" Jae Deok.
On topic: Yeah, I don't really see KeSPA playing fair here. For the sake of athletic competition, enter the tournament, please. We've already seen it can't possibly be too terrible. It's not even "enter the tournament", it's just "allowing the players who are interested to enter the tournament". There are plenty of players who would like to try the GSL, but Kespa is denying them the opportunity. Even B-teamers who according to the following thread, do not get paid by their teams at all: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=126075
Agreed.
KeSPA could have prevented Jaedong, Bisu, Stork, and/or Flash from entering... that'd be all fine and dandy as they're super stars for KeSPA.
But preventing everyone including B-teamers too? It hurts them and it hurts GOM too. Plus, it hurts eSports (and eSports as a valid career choice) in Korea too.
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